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4th Gen KDE Slimbook - Linux Ultrabook with an AMD Ryzen 7 5700U
Author : jrepinc
Score : 308 points
Date : 2022-07-07 08:44 UTC (14 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (kde.slimbook.es)
(TXT) w3m dump (kde.slimbook.es)
| tlhunter wrote:
| I love KDE. I've used it as my daily driver for several years
| now. Despite having so many features it's surprisingly
| lightweight on the resources. I've used it on everything from
| beefy Lenovo T- series to little netbooks that I would otherwise
| run OpenBox on.
|
| KDE Neon was really buggy when I tried the last LTS. Lots of
| programs had theming issues. The Kubuntu LTS, on the other hand,
| left me with a much smoother experience. Neither are perfect,
| sadly.
|
| A core issue with KDE is that of theme installation (Cursors,
| Window Decorations, etc.) KDE ships with utilities to discover,
| download, and install theme components. While using Kubuntu,
| about 25% of the time, I find that a given theme is just
| impossible to install. Usually it'll be a network error or
| sometimes the downloaded package seems broken. With Neon, I had a
| 100% failure rate. Even once you do get a theme installed, it
| usually looks nothing like the preview. Theme developers often
| end up relying on third party tools, usually around compositing /
| GPU rendering. These tools are difficult to install and don't
| seem to work with all hardware.
|
| The Slimbook ships with Neon. Personally, I'd replace it with
| Kubuntu.
|
| Of course, there are other distros available where KDE can be
| installed in. In my experience, the KDE-first distros provide a
| smoother UX than others. It's as if all the KDE apps play better
| together when an OS comes with them all bundled in together than
| if you choose to piecemeal install them.
| nicolas_t wrote:
| They block any connections from HK so I'm not allowed to access
| the site. The number of sites blocking any connections from
| certain countries like Hong Kong as increased lately, it's
| becoming rather frustrating and I can't really see the reasoning
| behind it.
| bloopernova wrote:
| In my experience, China and Russia get blocked by many
| corporations' web application firewalls (WAFs) or other
| firewalls. You may be caught by that restriction.
| triknomeister wrote:
| The number of spam connections emerging from China and Russia
| are huge. For small firms who might not have the expertise or
| the budget to host things on CloudFlare, wholesale blocking off
| IP addresses from the two countries results in almost 100%
| decrease in spam.
|
| I have a VPS which I maintain for myself to experiment with
| different services, and I do the same. The number of spam
| attempt to connect on my ssh port went down from around 10k per
| day to 1 per week.
| bbarnett wrote:
| Yup, for all my clients it is Russia, China, Brazil, Vietnam.
|
| It's all floods, spam, hacks, bots, malware, with zero market
| for my clients. All downside, zero upside in accepting any
| traffic from those places.
| philliphaydon wrote:
| I'm in Taiwan and am also blocked. What did Taiwan do wrong?
| bmacho wrote:
| It's strange, clicking the "International websites"[0] at the
| bottom right, they explicitly state that they'd allow calling
| the Mandarin version Taiwan instead of China, if the
| translator wanted.
|
| There is a public mail list[1][2] of the webmasters at the
| bottom of the page as well, if you want to talk them.
|
| [0] : https://kde.org/support/international/
|
| [1] : mailto://kde-www@kde.org
|
| [2] : https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-www/
| ezekiel11 wrote:
| Nothing, the vendors can block/choose where they want to
| advertise their products in.
| Silica6149 wrote:
| Is VPN usage not common in HK as it in in China?
| IYasha wrote:
| > KDE Slimbook 4 > The most popular HTML, CSS, and JS library in
| the world. What??
| srevinsaju wrote:
| looks like KDE Slimbook uses bootstrap for the website :P
| jokethrowaway wrote:
| Incredible to see Wayland on a laptop out of the box, just 13
| years after their first release
| kogepathic wrote:
| The Ryzen 7 5700U is Zen2 based: https://www.cpu-
| world.com/CPUs/Zen/AMD-Ryzen%207%20Mobile%20...
|
| Not that great a deal when Zen3 based notebooks (5400/5600/5800U)
| have been out for over a year already.
|
| It is baffling to me why AMD chose to have the odd-numbered 5000
| series (5300/5500/5700) with Zen2, and the even-numbered 5000
| with Zen3.
| javajosh wrote:
| In the 80's the IEEE determined that CPU part designations must
| be sociopathic or manufacturers would be heavily fined.
| Wohlf wrote:
| I don't think anything can top how bad GPU naming from the
| 2000s was.
| formerly_proven wrote:
| > It is baffling to me why AMD chose to have the odd-numbered
| 5000 series (5300/5500/5700) with Zen2, and the even-numbered
| 5000 with Zen3.
|
| Oh no, it's actually even worse than that.
|
| 5300U/5500U/5700U are Zen 2 (Lucienne, Renoir Refresh).
|
| 5300G/5400U/5700G/5700H are Zen 3 (Cezanne).
|
| I find it remarkable how AMD started a completely new, fairly
| sane naming scheme from scratch and screwed it completely up
| within two generations (Remember 3200G/3400G? Pepperidge Farm
| remembers).
| kiwijamo wrote:
| Interesting that they're building hardware specifically for KDE.
| Can't be a large market for that. As a GNOME user I love the look
| of the hardware but find it strange they are not simply
| supporting one of the common Linux distros and allowing users
| their choice of desktop environment.
| krageon wrote:
| More importantly the keyboard is Spanish by default and cannot
| be changed to a US layout - only the weird localised layouts
| that (almost) nobody likes. That's easily the weirdest thing
| about this store for me.
| JaumeGreen wrote:
| On the US layout it says "Agotado", which means they have run
| out of them.
|
| BTW, almost no one in US may like those layouts, but for each
| of the speakers of those languages they are quite important.
| krageon wrote:
| I disagree. Most people do fine with US-intl keyboards,
| perhaps with extensions to specific keys such as alt gr to
| type a few dedicated diacritics or other altered letters.
| The trouble with regional keyboards is that they frequently
| move special characters around for very little actual
| reason (and that isn't saying anything about the whole
| AZERTY thing, which is incomprehensible).
| fmoralesc wrote:
| AZERTY is plainly the worst.
| jacereda wrote:
| Try again, looks like they fixed the page.
| nixcraft wrote:
| You need to see the laptop page and scroll down to get a
| Keyboard section. Now you can select en-US
| https://slimbook.es/en/store/slimbook-kde/kde-
| slimbook-16-co... I think folks outside the EU zone need to
| pay customs duty on imports. So, if you are in the US, go for
| System 76 (AMD/Intel), HP Dev One (AMD), or Dell Dev Edition
| XPS (Intel).
| krageon wrote:
| Those keyboards were listed as out of stock when I looked.
| Perhaps this has changed in the meantime.
| boopmaster wrote:
| https://slimbook.es/en/us
|
| Good callout. The about page says they are based in Spain +
| the prices are in Euros.
| Shadonototra wrote:
| gnome is not the most popular
|
| and you can install what ever you want
| 3np wrote:
| > gnome is not the most popular
|
| That's a surprising statement. Got any reference?
| Shadonototra wrote:
| Among gamers it is not:
|
| https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
|
| And among everyone else it is not:
|
| https://distrowatch.com/
|
| Ubuntu for desktop stopped being popular the day they
| switched to Gnome3
|
| It coincides with the rise of Manjaro (and Arch) wich comes
| preinstalled with XFCE, mint also showing strong presence
| circularfoyers wrote:
| I don't think there's anything specific about the hardware for
| KDE besides the logo. I think this is more about giving back to
| the community, which I personally think it admirable and makes
| me look upon Slimbook more favorably.
|
| > Remember that with every purchase, KDE receives a donation
| from Slimbook and KDE Community members get a generous
| discount!
|
| https://dot.kde.org/2022/07/06/new-kde-slimbook-4-now-availa...
| allenskd wrote:
| I feel like if KDE really wanted to build hardware specifically
| for KDE then they would and SHOULD bring in Qt Developers (The
| QT Company) onboard for the best optimizations of the desktop
| environment....
| elcritch wrote:
| Because it's a laptop built in co-operation with the KDE
| Project. It's mean to give KDE developers a "showcase" laptop
| platform. From the original Slimbook 1 release:
| The KDE Slimbook allows KDE to offer our users a laptop which
| has been tested directly by KDE developers, on the exact same
| hardware and software configuration that the users get, and
| where any potential hardware-related issues have already been
| ironed out before a new version of our software is shipped to
| them.
|
| https://dot.kde.org/2017/01/26/kde-and-slimbook-release-lapt...
| gabereiser wrote:
| Doesn't exactly look very slim, Bob. I'm not expecting Macbook
| Air level slimness but we can definitely do better than this. I'm
| not a fan of older display technology as well. A glossy 1080p
| screen just isn't good enough anymore. I need more pixel density
| so I can have more code up on screen (sure, at smaller perceived
| font sizes). It's almost like all these Linux laptop makers are
| using older, discarded, excess inventory the factories had lying
| around.
| vimsee wrote:
| I can not really tell pixels apart with 1920 by 1080 resolution
| on a 14 or 15.6 inch monitor as often seen on laptops. For
| reference. I am using a 24 inch monitor (8 to 10-ish more
| inches) with 1920 by 1080 and I am not to upset about that.
| sk0g wrote:
| And for a differing point of view, I had a hell of a time
| finding 1440/1600p laptops with the specs I was after. Not
| 1080p, I'd like screen real estate, and not 4K, because
| fractional scaling on Windows is not that great. So many good
| laptops have only 1080p options, but I ruled them out
| instantly because it's a pixelated, rough experience.
|
| Laptops are usually used with the screen much closer to you,
| so for me at least 1440p is the lowest I'd accept.
| gabereiser wrote:
| I can tell. Edge aliasing, font crispness, pixel density. I
| don't want 4k in 14" but we can do better than 1080p now.
| tasuki wrote:
| How slim do you want your laptop to be? Slimmer than 17mm? Why?
| What advantage does this give you?
|
| Your backpack is 30mm thick and wouldn't fit a sandwich
| anymore? You want to slide your laptop under the door and
| there's only a 12mm hole? You want to look hip in a cafe and
| 17mm doesn't cut it?
|
| Weight makes a difference, sure. Apart from that I care about
| the thermals and ability to replace parts, both of which are
| better on thicker laptops.
| Silica6149 wrote:
| In addition, this has an ethernet port. Many companies these
| days remove the ethernet port to make their laptops thinner
| so at least this one is doing something with the extra
| thickness.
| gabereiser wrote:
| The advantage is not needing a backpack but just a small bag.
| The advantage is less weight. The advantage is being able to
| hold your laptop and a coffee without one arm feeling heavy
| and throwing off your balance. The advantage of having a
| laptop that feels powerful yet elegant.
|
| If this laptop got rid of the Ethernet port in favor of wifi
| only and it got rid of the hdmi and USB ports in favor of
| USB-C, and it upgraded to at least a 1440p display, I'd
| probably buy one as my daily driver.
|
| No one can come close to what my MacBook Air can do and how
| it feels. I wish they would. It's thin, quiet, comfortable,
| elegant, but it's arm64 in a world of x86 and that has issues
| still. I'd love an x86 version (even if it's a few mm thicker
| to support a fan).
| yjftsjthsd-h wrote:
| > If this laptop got rid of the Ethernet port in favor of
| wifi only and it got rid of the hdmi and USB ports in favor
| of USB-C, and it upgraded to at least a 1440p display, I'd
| probably buy one as my daily driver.
|
| And by ripping out useful features, they'd lose a different
| part of the market. Some of us like having ports.
| hedora wrote:
| Wayland would break my workflow (evilwm does not work with it).
|
| Any idea if these can run X11?
|
| Separately, what about OpenBSD?
| lhl wrote:
| X11 works fine w/ the 4800H version. The 5700U uses the same
| iGPU so I'd expect it would work fine as well.
| stakkur wrote:
| I love that there are many offerings like this.
|
| But when it comes to laptops and Linux, I _never_ buy a 'good
| Linux laptop'--I buy 'a good laptop that also runs Linux well'.
| There's really no such thing as a 'Linux laptop' for me--I want a
| great laptop first, Linux compatibility second.
| acomjean wrote:
| I love that there are offering like this too. When I bought the
| The main thing for me was "is this thing linux compatable", so
| pre-installed linux was worth the extra $ for me.
|
| I just couldn't bring myself to try and figure out which
| notebooks where compatible. I couldn't figure out how to
| determine if a machine ran linux. There are so many models and
| subtle differences. So I ended up with a "Clevo" rebranded
| notebook, without actually seeing it physically first.
|
| Its big, oddly decent (I came from a 2015 macbook pro, which is
| a high bar) and besides one fan grinding, its been solid. (That
| might be on me.. but I could get a spare and replace it..) It
| plays steam and over the 4 years I've owned it linux has gotten
| better and better.
| black_puppydog wrote:
| Wow this looks amazing.
|
| Non-soldered RAM would be a feature but I'm not sure from the
| description... If anyone from the team is reading that: add that
| info to the page, it's a really nice feature.
|
| Non-soldered SSD is the really important one though for me.
|
| And not sure why I can't select two non-samsung 2TB SSDs but
| that's details anyhow.
| Silica6149 wrote:
| The second m.2 ssd slot can be configured to be empty so I
| figure that at least that slot is non-soldered to allow for
| users to put in their own ssd.
| innocenat wrote:
| The spec page said "Has 2 sockets, dual channel from 16GB".
|
| Not sure if it was just recently changed though.
| ognarb wrote:
| KDE team member here: I asked internally to our contact at
| Slimbook and both the RAM and SSD are non-soldered. This should
| indeed be on the website, I will try to squeeze some time
| tonight to do so :)
| WASDx wrote:
| Is the "8 _GPU_ cores " a typo?
| jseliger wrote:
| Problem is:
| https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/1542529665449226240
| gkhartman wrote:
| This seems like a very nice laptop for the cost, but for a bit
| more you could have the framework laptop. A few hundred bucks
| more seems like a reasonable trade for something reparable and
| upgradable in place of a rebranded white box laptop.
| allenskd wrote:
| I may or may not be super knowledgeable on the subject have the
| KDE Slimbook team considered going full with ARM chips instead of
| the x86_64 processors?
|
| I keep reading how ARM is more "efficient" and lower power
| consumption altogether. I also noticed that some Windows-laptop
| devices are shipping with ARM as well. (Windows on ARM not being
| new if you have been following Microsoft closely)
| viraptor wrote:
| Arm is mostly more efficient, but the overall performance is
| not there apart from Apple silicon. You can get some laptops
| with qualcomm chips and they're weak - basically an
| underpowered netbook class. The competition is missing because
| of a deal between qualcomm and MS for Windows laptops
| (https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/23/22798231/microsoft-
| qualc...). So if you want to do something serious, there's very
| little choice.
|
| Then there's the issue of running Linux on SoC where Qualcomm
| and others are not super keen on providing open support. M1 is
| going to get reverse engineered support for all the devices
| first because they offer hardware people actually want.
| haunter wrote:
| >You can get some laptops with qualcomm chips and they're
| weak - basically an underpowered netbook class
|
| The new Sanapdragon Thinkpads released a month ago are on par
| with the Comet Lake i7 CPUs so I'd not write them down that
| quickly
|
| https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q.
| ..
|
| https://browser.geekbench.com/processors/intel-
| core-i7-10850...
| StillBored wrote:
| So, 8 core QC is beaten by a mid range 6 core Intel. Might
| be a reasonable choice if it actually ran Linux and various
| other things (bsd/vmware/etc) out of the box, but since it
| doesn't, it looks overpriced unless you prioritize windows
| and battery life or want a windows/arm machine for a
| specific purpose.
|
| AKA, on the general market it doesn't look particularly
| competitive, even when compared with these amd 5700U's
| which also slightly best it and are frequently found in
| ~$600 laptops.
| aposm wrote:
| I don't think an H series i7 would be considered midrange
| (it has a 45W TDP, and will only really be seen in
| workstation/gaming laptops). The Qualcomm processor is
| not terribly impressive, but being on par with a 45W i7
| is still very promising.
| 867-5309 wrote:
| this looks like it's aimed at creative types, graphics
| rendering and video editing on ARM would be painful
|
| ARM is situated firmly within the efficient end of the
| efficiency-power Venn, whereas this pushed towards sharing the
| middle with powerful
| allenskd wrote:
| Out of curiosity Apple M1 Chips being ARM-based (I own a
| m1-powered laptop) I... honestly haven't really noticed any
| slow down while using ffmpeg but granted I don't do
| encoding/transcoding a whole lot and my usage of editors like
| Affinity Designer/Photos is pretty basic.
|
| But on that note I feel like a budget laptop for the masses
| with ARM-chips would be quite the spot for many people
| include my father. he doesn't need any application just being
| able to use a browser. ( I guess, a more open, less shady
| Chromebook-like equivalent).
|
| Well, I guess I just say this because my experience with the
| m1 chip has been way over the top to the point I haven't
| really noticed any slow down with docker/vscode/etc etc.
| yywwbbn wrote:
| Apple seems to be a couple of generations ahead of every
| other ARM vendor. e.g. the Qualcomm SQ2 doesn't seem to bad
| on paper but it's several times slower than the m1 and
| barely competitive with the more power efficient AMD chips.
| [deleted]
| scythe wrote:
| Wasn't NVidia making tablet-scale ARM chips (Tegra) for a
| while? It seems like they would know how to address this
| niche, but somehow it hasn't materialized.
| disposedtrolley wrote:
| I'm disappointed that the three photos in the Gallery with the
| laptop in use aren't actually showing what the screen would look
| like IRL; they've been cleverly doctored by overlaying
| screenshots on top of the display.
| convery wrote:
| > CPU base GHz (lower is better)
|
| Ehh.. Seems like an odd inclusion when every OS will downclock
| and put cores into idle..
| StillBored wrote:
| Does anyone have a full bios manual (and/or the bios unlock
| sequence to get to the hidden menu's)? While this is shipped with
| Linux, I'm not sure I trust the slimbook people to have put a lot
| of work into assuring, particularly that it doesn't drain an
| unnecessarily amount of battery in standby and/or that it
| hibernates properly.
| lhl wrote:
| You can search for the keywords on PF5NU1G, BIOS, AMIBCP, EC
| and find plenty of discussions there (w/ info on making your
| own unlocked BIOS if you want), although the Tuxedo/Schenker
| people have also done a fair amount of work making sure the
| laptop works well with Linux.
|
| The point general of buying from a Linux computer mfgr is to
| get a supported machine, so if you don't trust Slimbook, you
| can order basically the same laptop (w/ a slightly better
| display) from Tuxedo or similar class Linux laptops from Star
| Labs, HP, System76, or Framework.
| sto_hristo wrote:
| Something like that but in the clothes of a XPS (but not as thin
| for the sake of thinness by sacrificing cooling). I'd eat it
| right away.
| ezekiel11 wrote:
| a thousand euros for a linux ultrabook is a bit of a stretch.
| there are many alternatives AND I can run both operating systems
| via dual boot.
| [deleted]
| darrenf wrote:
| Similarly, since a couple of weeks ago Starlabs Systems offer
| their Starbook with Ryzen 7 5800U:
|
| https://starlabs.systems/blogs/news/the-starbook-now-comes-w...
| chirau wrote:
| Can I eventually install Windows on this machine to replace this
| OS? Or these devices are like Macs where I can't install another
| OS as primary.
|
| If I can, what is the value preposition of 'Linux out of the box'
| if I can install exactly the same OS from a USB?
| tuetuopay wrote:
| The assurance that all hardware works properly and is
| compatible with Linux. It's always a gamble to buy a laptop and
| expecting everything will work with an alternate OS.
| 8K832d7tNmiQ wrote:
| The same exact reason you've never seen an average person tried
| to even manually upgrade windows using flash drive. Why is this
| still need to be discussed again?
| virtualritz wrote:
| A 2k screen in 2022? I haven't used a non-HDPI laptop since a
| decade (bought the first retina MBP at the time). I can't
| understand how people can still use such displays today.
|
| Also the CPU. It's from last year.
|
| I just ordered a Xiaomi RedmiBook Pro with R7 6800H and
| additional Nvidia GPU - 1.200EUR.
|
| It will Linux just fine but with more 2022ish hardware specs. :)
|
| It's also slimmer than the 'Slimbook' (14.9mm vs 16.7mm).
| sk0g wrote:
| Confusingly, 2K typically refers to 2560*1440. By that logic 4k
| would be a resolution greater than 3840*2160 of course, so I'm
| not sure how sound the naming convention is.
| t-3 wrote:
| Is 2k bad or good for '22? I still haven't moved past 1080p, so
| I'm not sure how to take "can't understand how people can still
| use such displays today."
| Silica6149 wrote:
| I think most consumers haven't experienced/don't care about
| high DPI. Programmers on the other hand look at text all day
| so it's understandable we prefer crisp text.
| fareesh wrote:
| Wayland is usable as a daily driver?
| Lio wrote:
| Yes. Fedora and Ubuntu are both Wayland by default now. I've
| been using Wayland for years now and it's pretty rock solid at
| this point.
|
| I occasionally see a few apps that don't seem to play nice with
| a HiDPI/1440 mix of displays but that gets better day by day
| and is now pretty rare for me.
| GrantZvolsky wrote:
| Does the lid open a full 180 degrees and is the hinge
| sufficiently strong to support the lid if propped up against a
| wall?
| waynesonfire wrote:
| Gosh I really hope so. That's how I laptop.
| ognarb wrote:
| > Does the lid open a full 180 degrees?
|
| No, only around 150-160 degrees
|
| > is the hinge sufficiently strong to support the lid if
| propped up against a wall?
|
| Looks strong enough to me for my 3th Gen KDE Slimbook
| totallyblasted wrote:
| I'd be interested in this if the display had a 2k or higher
| resolution and 120 hz or higher refresh rate.
| lhl wrote:
| Here's the version you want:
| https://www.reddit.com/r/tuxedocomputers/comments/vrb1me/tux...
| ruined wrote:
| 1080p why
| maverick74 wrote:
| I wish there were more initiatives like this!
| pjmlp wrote:
| Check also Tuxedo, and several Amazon stores in Europe do sell
| laptops with Linux pre-installed (that is how I got my Asus
| 1215B back in 2009).
| maverick74 wrote:
| Tuxedo!!! I had completely forgotten about Tuxedo!!!
|
| Thanks for the tip :)
| hedora wrote:
| Arghhh! Why can't Linux laptop manufacturers center touchpads
| under the keyboards anymore?
|
| Also, this is lower resolution than the display I was using with
| Linux 20 years ago.
| turbinerneiter wrote:
| Why would they?
|
| Your hands are not in the center of the keyboard in the base
| position either.
|
| I'm seriously asking, I have no idea right now what the more
| ergonomic option would be.
| hedora wrote:
| Oh, you're right. The keyboard is off center too.
|
| However, the trackpad isn't centered under the base position.
|
| I'd prefer the center of the screen, case, alphanumeric keys
| and touchpad to all be along the same vertical line -- like
| literally every laptop I have ever owned.
| turbinerneiter wrote:
| Why tough? For looks or for ergonomics?
| innocenat wrote:
| It take your comment for me to realise that the laptop I am
| typing this on, Thinkpad Carbon X1, doesn't have its
| trackpad on the exact center either.
|
| And it doesn't bother me one bit.
| capableweb wrote:
| Is there any high-end Linux laptops with matte displays?
| Everything seems to be using glossy displays, which after being
| used to use a matte one, is simply impossible to use, especially
| when using the laptop outside or in a sunny room.
| ensocode wrote:
| Any of the Tuxedo laptops with Omnia display. They can be
| configured pretty high-end.
| https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Linux-Hardware/Linux-Note...
| lysecret wrote:
| Using newest XPS 15 and am really happy everything works (you
| have to run newest Kernel though). I am using Ubuntu. Even the
| Bluetooth microphone and fingerprint work !! Haha
| tomclancy wrote:
| Check out System76 laptops, they have matte displays (at least
| my Lemur Pro does)
| acomjean wrote:
| System 76 laptops tend to have matte screens.
| zbobet2012 wrote:
| I use an ASUS ROG G14 2022 (AMD/AMD) and it works great on
| fedora minus one bug in 5.18 and newer (I've kept it on 5.17)
| sofixa wrote:
| Depends on what you mean by "Linux laptop", but Dell XPS
| Developer Edition (comes with Ubuntu) have matte display
| options.
| bartvk wrote:
| I have the same problem with MacBooks. I always apply a matte
| screen protector.
|
| If you live in The Netherlands: https://www.smartfolie.com/
| Silica6149 wrote:
| Macbook displays, although glossy, are generally better
| compared to other glossy displays with respect to
| reflections. Do you use your macbook in a particularly bright
| room/outside?
| bartvk wrote:
| No but I've got macOS usually set to dark mode. So the
| whole thing is really a self-created problem :-)
| joss82 wrote:
| Dell Precision 5750 has an option for matte display and it
| rocks.
|
| https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/workstations-isv-certif...
| gtk40 wrote:
| I ordered my Thinkpad X1 Carbon with a matte display, and Linux
| pre-installed.
| adultSwim wrote:
| My Thinkpad X1 Nano also runs Linux quite well. They come
| with Windows pre-installed but are certified for Ubuntu.
| Qubes/Xen also runs pretty well, although Xen doesn't support
| hibernate (only suspend).
| dmos62 wrote:
| You can apply a third-party non-reflective screen-protector.
|
| My guess is that the main reason many devices have reflective
| stock screens is that a reflective screen has higher
| brightness, while a matte screen is dimmer. I think most will
| agree that matte is preferable in actual use, but when looking
| at basic screen benchmarks or when looking at a bunch of
| screens in a hardware store, buyers are attracted to bright
| screens.
| capableweb wrote:
| > You can apply a third-party non-reflective screen-
| protector.
|
| This is great, I actually had no idea that existed! Very glad
| I asked the question now.
|
| How well do they work compared to displays that are already
| matte by default? Is it basically the same thing or would it
| introduce some imperfections?
| dmos62 wrote:
| How well it works depends on how well you've applied it.
| I've seen some botched applications. Good news is that
| they're cheap, so you can try again with a new one. Try
| searching Youtube for application walkthroughs and tips.
|
| There could be differences in protector quality as well,
| I've no idea about that.
| mateuszf wrote:
| https://pl.starlabs.systems/pages/starbook
| jacek wrote:
| All Thinkpads have matte displays, including the ones with
| touchscreens. Some have a glossy option (the ones with HDR
| AFAIK).
| ThomasGlanzmann wrote:
| Thinkpads have matte (upto 4k) displays, very good Linux
| support and are around 2000 USD/EUR.
| owl57 wrote:
| > very good Linux support
|
| Writing this from a X1 Gen9, I wouldn't call the following
| "very good". Not sure if it's already fixed in new firmware
| (and couldn't google the support forum right away), but I had
| to
|
| * switch sleep mode to stop it from getting hot while asleep;
|
| * disable touchpad in BIOS to stop it from spinning fans
| while awake -- great for me because I don't like it anyway
| and vastly prefer the trackpoint, but people not used to this
| consistently go wtf while trying to show something on my
| laptop.
| inslee1 wrote:
| I had some of these issues with the 5.17.x kernels but once
| I switched to Fedora 36 and 5.18.x, and updated the BIOS,
| the situation improved dramatically and sleep was fixed.
|
| Never had the touchpad issue though.
| madduci wrote:
| I have a ThinkPad E595 with Ryzen 7 3700U and it has
| wonderful Linux support
| minimaul wrote:
| Is there some hardware limitation of AMD Ryzen laptop processors
| that prevents a high-res display?
|
| Every time I see one of these laptops (like the recent HP linux
| laptop, etc), I think they look really interesting except that I
| wish they had a higher res display - I've not seen _any_ Ryzen
| laptop with what I 'd call a premium display - something high
| DPI.
| lhl wrote:
| This laptop is a refresh based on the Tong Fang PF5NU1G
| chassis. Tuxedo just announced their version, the Pulse 15 Gen2
| that has a WQHD 2560x1440 165Hz 350 nit display:
| https://www.reddit.com/r/tuxedocomputers/comments/vrb1me/tux...
|
| There's no limitation for Ryzen itself, it's largely up to the
| ODM/OEM to decide. For example, Lenovo and Asus have multiple
| QHD/4K options for Ryzen 5000 and 6000 series (iGPU-only)
| laptops (just do a search for Yogas, Thinkpads, Zenbook,
| Vivobook, etc).
|
| Note, certain designs might have display limitations. A couple
| years ago, for the 1st gen PF5NU1G, Schenker tried to get a 4K
| OLED panel to run, but failed due to PCON compatibility and
| then sourcing/logistics issues:
| https://www.reddit.com/r/XMG_gg/comments/izg598/no_4koled_pa...
| gigatexal wrote:
| How's the keyboard on the Pulse 2 from someone who might be
| very partial to loud, clickety, far travel, mechanical
| keyboards?
|
| How does Linux do with the high refresh rate display? Does it
| destroy battery life like I imagine?
| gpm wrote:
| I don't know how high refresh rate displays affect battery
| life, but in the worst case I imagine you could turn down
| the refresh rate when you aren't interested in using it
| (certainly refresh rate is tunable in X11).
| lhl wrote:
| If you want a mechanical keyboard, you should probably
| carry your own, as even the "mechanical" keyboards on
| laptops like the Eluktronics Mech 15 are IMO pretty
| lackluster. The NuPhy Air 75 fits exactly over the keyboard
| deck, btw, so that'd be my recommendation (replaced an Anne
| Pro I was using, which felt better, but was much bulkier. A
| Keychron low-profile might work as well, but I can't
| confirm whether it'll sit on the deck properly or not w/o
| having to disable the built-in keyboard.
|
| In terms of the built-in keyboard feel, it's adequate. I
| would say that it reminds me of the keyboards on
| early-2000s Apple TiBooks. For the previous gen (and in my
| copy as well) there were reports of slight unevenness of
| the keyboard deck, although it was more of a curiousity
| than an actual issue in day-to-day use.
| bodge5000 wrote:
| I've actually found it quite hard to find Ryzen 6000 laptops
| with just an iGPU. RDNA2 would be perfect for me, you lose
| the weight and cooling issues that come with a dGPU but still
| have enough graphical performance to play some games.
| dxhdr wrote:
| Look at the Thinkpad T14 / T14s Gen 3. Doesn't have a high-
| res display though...
| pedrocr wrote:
| The T14s has a 2880x1800, OLED, 500nit, wide color gamut,
| 90hz, screen option. It's probably the best screen you
| can get on a laptop right now:
|
| https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPa
| d_T...
|
| The T14 has a 4K IPS option:
|
| https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPa
| d_T...
|
| With that and USB4 the AMD Lenovos seem to be finally
| uncorked. At this point the Intel-only X1 is suffering as
| a supposedly top of the line laptop. The chassis is
| slightly better and that's about its only advantage.
| neogodless wrote:
| Not to say they are common, but they are out there.
|
| https://www.asus.com/us/Laptops/For-
| Home/Zenbook/Zenbook-S-1...
|
| https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadp/t
| h...
| minimaul wrote:
| I've scanned through the Lenovo site as an example and I
| can't find anything AMD with a display larger than 1920x1080
| (at least on the UK site)...
| wongarsu wrote:
| In Germany Lenovo sells a Legion S7 15 with a 4k display
| and Ryzen 7 5800H (article number 82K800GUGE). There are
| also variants of the Yoga Slim 7 Pro 16, the IdeaPad 5 and
| the ThinkBook 16p G2, each with a 2560x1600 display and a
| Ryzen CPU.
| saghm wrote:
| A bit OT, but I've always found that beyond 2560x1440, I
| can't really tell the difference on a laptop-size screen.
| If anything, the only 4K laptop I've owned was a bit more
| troublesome than the 1440p ones because so many
| applications had scaling issues that I had to deal with.
| neogodless wrote:
| QHD with Ryzen https://www.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/legion-
| laptops/legion-5...
|
| There were a few other QHD Ryzen gaming laptops. Couldn't
| find any business/workstation ones on the UK site though.
|
| Similarly, the US has a 4K Ryzen gaming laptop.
| https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/legion-
| laptops/legion...
| sascha_sl wrote:
| Solid laptops. Enough power for a portable homelab. Went
| from a Legion 5 to a Legion 7 because I ended up liking
| it enough to make it my main machine. Much fewer random
| firmware bugs than AMD ThinkPads. They even do KVM GPU
| passthrough reasonably well.
| [deleted]
| syockit wrote:
| I have a 4K display AMD Ryzen laptop (Asus ROG Flow X13 2021
| edition), so yes it's actually possible. The Japanese fonts
| look really pretty when everything is scaled 200% (to be
| equivalent to 2K display). But I value real estate so I still
| have everything on 100%.
|
| For some reason, the 2022 edition lineup no longer offers 4K
| display.
| starptech wrote:
| Thinkpad T14 Gen2 is shipped with (14") 4K UHD (3.840 x 2.160),
| IPS with Dolby Vision(tm), 500 cd/m2 and Ryzen 5850U. Linux
| certified.
| minimaul wrote:
| Hm, that's not available on Lenovo's UK store that I can find
| :(
|
| Maybe it's also a regional issue.
|
| edit: or the US store? shows me a T14 Gen 2 (AMD) - Up to AMD
| Ryzen(tm) 7 Pro 5850U Processor, Up to 14.0" FHD (1920 x
| 1080) IPS, anti-glare, touchscreen with Privacy Guard
|
| or
|
| T14 Gen2 (Intel) - Up to 11th Gen Intel(r) Core(tm) i7-1185G7
| with vPro(tm), Up to 14" UHD (3840 x 2160) IPS, anti-glare
| with Dolby Vision(tm)
| IYasha wrote:
| Can you please explain what use hi DPI displays have in
| general? I bought one and it was almost nothing but
| disappointment except viewing photos. For me it concludes as
| purely wasted computational (and electrical) power.
| ChuckNorris89 wrote:
| Fonts and GUI elements look much sharper. After going HighDPI
| i can't go back.
| usrn wrote:
| Honestly adwaita will look like crap no matter what the
| resolution is.
|
| (And before you get upset about the Gnome dev's feelings
| getting hurt, they've decided that this is the best theme
| and no one should ever use anything different.)
| ChuckNorris89 wrote:
| That's why I use KDE, since I saw how Gnome devs treat
| font rendering issues from the community[1]. And for some
| reason this is the most popular linux DE. I feel like I'm
| taking crazy pills.
|
| [1] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/3787
| usrn wrote:
| You're not crazy, whatever Redhat decides eventually
| becomes popular because that's what people get paid to
| work with. It's very similar to the situation with
| Windows.
|
| Also, I think most desktop Linux users that care probably
| use a small WM rather than either Gnome or KDE. Gnome
| also gets a lot of attention because GTK is easier to
| work with than QT.
| skeletal88 wrote:
| I care but I don't understand the craziness about tiling
| wms, xfce etc. I like the convenience that KDE provides
| for me.
|
| To me the guys who casually always mention "btw yeah I'm
| using this tiling wm and ..." are just smugly showing
| off, like vegans or people who own too expensive
| bicycles.
| nicoburns wrote:
| Better text rendering is the main advantage. This means that
| you can set text sizes smaller and have a lot more usable
| screen real estate.
| IYasha wrote:
| I tried using a 4K IPS display for usual programming tasks,
| but the usual fonts become so painfully tiny that it's just
| unbearable (and I have almost perfect vision). Combining a
| normal old display with modern 4K also creates lots of
| problems. For example, I drag windows and tool boxes a lot
| between desktops when working with code or in 3D. The
| perfect resolution for my old-school self is now a WQHD
| 2560*1440. Not in any "hi-dpi" sense.
| RajT88 wrote:
| It is for this reason I prefer 2 1080p monitors connected
| to my work laptop.
|
| I prefer physical size for my screen real estate as
| opposed to jamming more onto a single display.
|
| Scaling between different display sizes as you move
| windows around doesn't work well on Windows so I also
| prefer my laptop display to have the same resolution.
|
| My wife takes a different approach: Giant, cheap 4k TV
| with windows spread out connected to her work machine.
| KptMarchewa wrote:
| >4K IPS display
|
| It's not what person above suggests. It's about something
| like 5K display rendered in 200% resolution, so it's
| equivalent to 1440p. Then you can have slightly downscale
| fonts compared to "raw" 1440p since you'll still have
| more clarity due to higher pixels per inch.
| pivo wrote:
| As others have said, smooth, crisp font rendering. I've been
| using high DPI displays for almost 10 years now and would
| never consider going back. Using a 1440 monitor, say, feels
| to me like using a machine with a floppy disk: an
| anachronism.
|
| My wife though swears she cannot tell the difference and
| doesn't care which she uses. This boggles my mind and is
| actually a bit frustrating to me, but that's my problem.
|
| So, I'm interested in if you can tell the difference but
| don't care or if it's something else.
|
| I've always used a Mac though, maybe that's the difference?
| Never seen Linux/Windows in 4K.
| windowsrookie wrote:
| I switch back and forth between modern High DPI displays
| and older ~1440p displays. I don't really care myself. High
| resolution has never mattered to me.
|
| I'm the same way with video tho, I can still watch 480p
| YouTube video and it doesn't bother me at all. Whereas some
| people I know can't stand watching 1 second of video below
| 1080p.
| zozbot234 wrote:
| 1440p can be quite crisp if you're using pixel-perfect,
| antialiased rendering and looking at the whole screen. Even
| for text. Anything higher is either overkill or (most
| often) compensating for defects in the rendering pipeline.
|
| (In fact, there's a viable argument that even 1080p ought
| to suffice, and 768p be "good enough for most uses".)
| [deleted]
| goosedragons wrote:
| I don't care that much but I do notice. Most PC laptops
| these days are 1080p and at their sizes this is generally
| 160+ PPI which is about the same as a 27" 4K display so it
| looks fine to me.
|
| Apple also has made their text rendering look worse on non-
| retina screens a few versions back which exacerbates the
| problem compared to Windows and Linux.
| speedgoose wrote:
| The text looks a lot nicer, without subpixel rendering which
| can also save computational power.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpixel_rendering
| mikae1 wrote:
| Anecdotally, I've used HiDPI alongside 1x res monitors
| since 2015 now, and I can honestly say I don't care much
| about which one I'm using for reading and writing.
|
| What _does_ matter though is gray uniformity and the size
| of the color gamut. Especially for the work I do (video and
| photography).
| IYasha wrote:
| I always disable this crap, fine with pixels %)) OK, I
| understand pixel interpolation is useful in printed media
| production, but on displays... Win95 still looks great to
| me.
| atemerev wrote:
| Well, people have different opinions about it. I
| personally hate visible pixels with passion. I was an
| early adopter of HiDPI displays (starting with IBM T221
| back in 2007), and I don't understand how anybody could
| settle for less after they see this gorgeous high
| resolution.
| Silica6149 wrote:
| It's probably the fact that most people haven't
| experienced it. Regular consumers think macbooks have
| magically "better" displays than most windows laptops but
| can't name the exact reason. But just getting a high DPI
| laptop/monitor gets the same effect.
| Legogris wrote:
| It does make a huge difference for readability of
| Chinese/Japanese/Korean in small sizes (e.g. comparable
| to reading a normal book or paper).
| IYasha wrote:
| Now, that makes a good point, thank you!
| hansword wrote:
| I had an old iPad (before retina) and used it for general
| tasks, sometimes. My newer hiDPI iPad has become my primary
| device for everything but actual work.
|
| I would never have read a book on the old iPad, I read
| several in hiDPI. It really changes the way you read if the
| fonts are (perceptually) as crisp as print.
| hansword wrote:
| Having said that, I still use a 1080p display for work and
| watching video
|
| So my tiny iPad has like twice as many pixels as my big
| screen.
| minimaul wrote:
| For me, it's all about text. I spend my whole day staring at
| text in some form - email, code, etc. A good high DPI display
| creates a much better text shape for the same physical size
| text on screen (and doesn't have as much of an issue with
| trying to snap vertical text to actual pixels, etc).
|
| It makes reading a lot easier for me - and vastly decreases
| how tired I feel after a day of it.
| zelos wrote:
| Switching from 1900x1200 to a 4k monitor was night and day
| for me. So much less eye strain by the end of the day.
| mistrial9 wrote:
| In the setup you like now, how far away is your monitor
| from your eyes? How many pages of text do you keep open
| typically? seen at once
| ISO-morphism wrote:
| For a programmer, screen real estate (dependent on scaling).
| I look at 4k 100% scaling as having condensed two 1080p
| monitors without bezels.
| sk0g wrote:
| 4k is actually exactly 4 1080p screens' worth of pixels,
| unless you mean non-100% scaling.
| virtualritz wrote:
| Nope. See e.g. my reply here elsewhere about the Xiaomi
| RedmiBook Pro. These are available since a while with ~240ppoi
| screens (3.2x2k). I.e.the 2021 model already had that
| resolution.
|
| Also Huawei's MateBook laptop series has been offering AMD CPUs
| + HDPI screens since years, afaik.
| dhzhzjsbevs wrote:
| Intel does a fair bit of exclusivity deals to prevent vendors
| from making certain pairings. It also didn't help that amd
| mobile CPUs were budget options for a long time. Manufacturers
| haven't caught on to the demand yet really.
| geokon wrote:
| Matebook 16
|
| Amazing laptop. I'm never going back to a small screen or a non
| 3:2 screen
|
| Very hard to source though. Had to have it shipped specially
| from China
| ClumsyPilot wrote:
| that looks like an interesting machine, reasonably priced
| geokon wrote:
| Especially if you purchase on Taobao/VMall - then it's
| under $1K. I think they also sell a version in Germany, but
| the price is marked up a lot
| abdusco wrote:
| How is the serviceability? Can you swap ssd / battery?
| geokon wrote:
| nothing special in that department.. It's not a framework
|
| You can see the notebookcheck review for details:
| https://www.notebookcheck.net/Huawei-MateBook-16-AMD-
| Review-...
|
| My main concern would be procuring parts. I'd have to order
| them over Taobao and then have them forwarded and wait a
| while. Fingers crossed nothing comes up..
| abdusco wrote:
| Better get a battery replacement before you need it. It
| becomes really difficult to find replacement parts after
| a couple of years because the device is not "popular" and
| most sellers stop keeping stock.
| lhl wrote:
| A few notes that may or may not matter to people:
|
| * great res/aspect ratio, but claimed 300 nits, which is good
| enough for most indoor usage, but not in brighter
| environments) - that being said, Notebookcheck tested theirs
| at 350 nits
|
| * RAM is soldered so you're locked into 16GB (M.2 wifi and
| 2280 SSD can be replaced)
|
| * no USB-A ports
|
| Overall though it's a pretty great laptop, can't wait to see
| how the Ryzen 6000 version performs (and if it had a 32GB
| version would be high on my personal shopping list).
|
| NBC review for those interested:
| https://www.notebookcheck.net/Huawei-MateBook-16-AMD-
| Review-...
| geokon wrote:
| * no USB-A ports
|
| I'm not sure what you mean. It's got two on the right side.
| And two USB-C on the left (though one will typically be
| used by your charger) - which seems to be unusual still..
|
| 16GB hasn't been an issue so far - but it's def my number 1
| concern. But for under $1k I can't really expect more
| lhl wrote:
| Ah, you're right, I had a different Huawei laptop page
| open for the spec sheet. having 2 x USB-A ports is great
| (personally, I usually have a wireless keyboard and mouse
| dongle, so it's something I'm still concerned about).
|
| If 16GB is enough then that's great. Sadly, I will
| usually end up hitting swap even with 32GB, so getting to
| at least 40GB (8GB+ soldered, 1 SODIMM), but preferably
| 2xSODIMMs for 64GB ends up thinning out my options
| considerably.
| dark-star wrote:
| I wonder what's with all the "3:2 screen" aficionados
| recently.
|
| Some years ago, a 3:4 screen was considered "bad" and
| "unusable" and 16:9 or 16:10 was what you needed to have. Now
| 16:9 is bad and 3:2 (pretty close to 4:3) is back in
| business?
|
| Is this just about chasing the latest fad? I mean 16:9 or
| even 16:10 has so much horizontal space that it's perfect if
| you do software development for example. Why is it so common
| now to give that up for more vertical space?
| geokon wrote:
| My guess is this this is a resolution issue. When the
| resolution was low, moving to 16:9 or 16:10 allowed you to
| have two side-by-side windows open. Now that the pixel
| density is higher you can make it 3:2, have two windows
| side by side even more comfortably, and get your vertical
| space back as well.
|
| That said, you do sort of need 16 inches. Otherwise things
| start to get too tiny and you'll want to do scaling (which
| defeats the point..)
|
| The Matebook 16 for me seems to hit the sweetspot in terms
| of pixel density and I don't feel the need to scale
| anything (the DPI is similar to my 1080p 13inch). So I'm
| actually glad it's not 4K
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| I think people realized that the media-centric 16:9 doesn't
| handle the piles of horizontal bars (titlebars, toolbars,
| tab bars, status bars, taskbars, etc) that compose modern
| desktop UIs all that well, particularly at traditional
| laptop resolutions (1920x1080 and its 2x counterparts and
| below).
|
| Personally I don't need a ton of width, the most I have
| side by side on a laptop screen are two code panes in an
| IDE. If I need any more than that I'm docked at a desk with
| dual 27" monitors. I would say my sweet spot is 16:10, but
| I've not tried a 5:4 or 3:2 laptop and have never used a
| 4:3 laptop for dev work, so I don't know if I'd find those
| more suitable or not.
| waynesonfire wrote:
| 4:3 is not a fad, it's superior but lost out due to
| manufacturers consolidating tv displays with monitors.
|
| I guess they would like you to think it's bad since they
| don't make them for cost savings reasons. I'd buy 4:3.
| There are still a few niche makers for medical and
| industrial purposes but the specs are crummy and prices
| high relative to mainstream displays.
| thereddaikon wrote:
| I'd love to have a 4:3 laptop again. Best general use
| display. I find it amazing how we have been forced to use
| widescreens for so long yet our content, except for
| movies, still doesn't fit it. Office documents can fit on
| screen. Websites have to pad endless whitespace on the
| sides. The list goes on. We need to return to 4:3.
| ISL wrote:
| It is my belief that wider aspect ratio displays are
| easier to manufacture, too.
|
| At a given pixel-pitch, you need fewer rows. In extremis,
| imagine a display that is N x 1 -- much easier to limit
| defects and handle the necessary multiplexing.
| Delk wrote:
| Back when 16:10 and 16:9 displays became common, I remember
| they weren't received particularly fondly by many of the
| developers I knew. Non-technical people seemed to like them
| more. More hardcore developers rather had to somewhat
| begrudgingly accept them.
|
| Maybe the 3:2 aficionados aren't the same people who
| started disliking 4:3 displays when widescreen became
| popular?
| bedast wrote:
| I've seen Ryzen 5000 series laptops with premium displays. I
| wouldn't consider 4K to be the only metric for that, though. My
| current Ryzen 5900HS laptop (from 2021) gave me the option of a
| 1920x1200 display or 3840x2400 at a lower refresh rate. Both
| displays have good color support, HDR, etc, but I went for the
| 1920x1200 display model for the smoother experience.
|
| When I came out of laser eye surgery, I ended up with
| exceptional vision. I'd have to pixel peep to see a difference
| between those 2 display options. I would have preferred
| something that met half way in the middle, but this DPI is fine
| for the display size. Outside of that, I get good color
| accuracy, good brightness with HDR, and the high refresh rate
| with adaptive sync makes for a very smooth experience.
|
| Do we not consider features like that also premium?
| sudosysgen wrote:
| None, I have an AMD Ryzen laptop with a highres display
| (1440p), and there are with 4k displays. It's just that a
| loooooot of laptops you're seeing are going to be rebrands of
| these ones.
| bedast wrote:
| It depends on what you're looking for. There's been a
| withdrawal on focusing on 4K displays in laptops. Most of them
| exist as a marketing point, but provide no ancillary benefits.
|
| One thing you might notice is "low res" displays tend to
| support things like higher refresh rates, might have better
| color and HDR
|
| I have an ROG Flow X13 2021 with the 1980x1200 display. This
| "low res" display supports higher refresh rates, variable
| refresh rate, has good color and HDR support, and works quite
| well for a 13" laptop.
| oblak wrote:
| I guess you weren't looking hard enough. I am writing this on a
| fairly light and slim machine, equipped with Ryzen 5800 and a
| 16:10 2560x1600 @ 120Hz display. I used to have a 14 inch model
| with an even higher resolution at same refresh rate. Both were
| ~1k euro, depending on exact configuration.
| eertami wrote:
| High DPI on something like a phone screen makes sense since it
| is often used so close to the face - but are people really
| getting this close to their computer displays?
|
| For a 1080p 14" screen, and a person with 20:20 vision, you
| would need to be closer than 50cm to the screen to be able to
| discern any visual differences. Hackernews has lots of people
| who like to claim they can tell the difference, but the science
| of visual acuity is against them and they never back up these
| claims with studies or experiments.
|
| Given a blind A/B test at a normal desk viewing distance, I'm
| doubtful any of these people would be able to pick out the
| difference between 1080p and 4k on a screen so small.
| seltzered_ wrote:
| High DPI displays have been available for a decade, since the
| 2012 retina macbook pro. "Science of visual acuity" aside,
| the difference is noticeable.
|
| I use a tablet pc and find it bizarre some vendors sell the m
| with 1080p displays when it's meant to be used closer to the
| face at be times. 2-in-1 budget laptops also have the same
| issue when using 1080p panels
| ClumsyPilot wrote:
| everyone talking about HiDPI, but everyone seems to miss
| display brightness. Standard displays are 200 - 300 nits,
| woefully inadequate if you are going to use it on the balcony,
| terrace or even near a big window. Very limiting if you open a
| laptop and it's unreadable.
|
| For the first time I splashed out on a premium 4K monitor 32",
| and at 600 nits you forget the word glare - there is no glare
| if the screen is brighter than the sun.
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| Yes, this is crazy frustrating. The problem isn't exclusive
| to boutique Linux laptops either, a lot of manufacturers use
| terribly dim panels that are barely usable in a well-
| daylight-lit room, and exacerbating it they're glossy with
| extremely ineffective antiglare coating, which adds a thick
| layer of glare that the dim backlight doesn't have a prayer
| of cutting through.
|
| Even expensive laptops can have this problem... I briefly
| owned a $2k+ ASUS ROG G15 that had an otherwise nice screen
| (15.6" 2560x1440 144hz IPS satin finish), but had a 300 nit
| backlight which rendered all that moot except at night.
|
| This is one of those things that Apple nails. The MacBooks
| I've used for work have all had displays bright enough to
| handle a bright room with ease with very little glare despite
| being glossy. My Thinkpad X1 Nano also has a matte 500 nit
| display that's quite nice.
| dotancohen wrote:
| Which sunglasses do you code with?
| jagger27 wrote:
| My eyes can't handle the dimly lit room they once could,
| especially not when reading code. 400 nits is a minimum for
| me now.
| sneak wrote:
| It's a gpu power consumption/battery life issue. Putting a high
| res display in an Air clone ("ultrabook") means poor battery
| life unless you can also make a very efficient GPU (which so
| far only Apple has done).
|
| The battery life on my 4k XPS13 is atrocious and it gets hot
| enough to burn my thighs.
| Silica6149 wrote:
| Battery life vs display resolution is always a balancing act.
| Even macbooks don't have 4k displays for this reason. Makes
| me wonder why manufacturers opt to make so many 4k laptops
| compared to 2k ones.
| sneak wrote:
| 4k looks vastly better and many laptop users seldom or
| rarely run off battery for more than an hour or so.
| Silica6149 wrote:
| While I agree that my laptop gets used plugged in most of
| the time, it is nice for it to last a while for the
| occasions when I'm away from an outlet (which I argue
| would be the primary benefit of using a laptop).
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| Economies of scale. Factories are pumping out huge numbers
| of 4K panels while the more balanced panels Apple uses are
| likely made to order. So in most cases it's probably
| cheaper for manufacturers to use 4K panels, despite their
| problems.
| rez9x wrote:
| My experience has been that Linux is bad at scaling HiDPI.
| Maybe KDE is better. In Linux-specific forums and chats, I've
| seen many people comment that they go out of their way to buy a
| 1080p display to avoid the scaling issues.
| trynumber9 wrote:
| Nope. Even HP sells a 13 inch 2560x1600 Ryzen laptop for about
| $700. Asus goes even higher resolution on their 13 inch OLED at
| 2880x1800 but it costs more.
|
| But I'm not sure there is a difference between 1920 and 2560
| for most users at 13-14 inches.
| usrn wrote:
| If I were to buy a new laptop I'd probably avoid high DPI
| displays. I can display fonts small enough that I can't read
| them even though the screen can resolve them on the older 1080p
| screen my thinkpad has. All the high DPI means is extra trouble
| and I think they know this.
| sturza wrote:
| Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 Pro has 2880*1800 ~ 3k 90hz display with
| Ryzen 5800h
| jeffalyanak wrote:
| It's not a hardware limitation, but many vendors are still
| using AMD only in their budget SKUs and using Intel in their
| flagships.
|
| Since the AMD SKUs are aimed at a different price-point, they
| generally don't have higher end display options.
| leeoniya wrote:
| currently on a Lenovo P14s with an excellent matte 4k, color
| calibrated, bright display and Ryzen Pro 5850u.
|
| EndeavourOS (Arch) with KDE/Plasma works great.
| azangru wrote:
| > Is there some hardware limitation of AMD Ryzen laptop
| processors that prevents a high-res display?
|
| It's probably a limitation of the company they source the
| laptops from (Clevo?) :-)
|
| The recently announced Tuxedo Pulse 2 [0] has a 1440p display;
| and the teased Starlabs Starfighter [1] is expected to come
| with a 4K display. Both are AMD laptops.
|
| ===
|
| [0] - https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Linux-
| Hardware/Notebooks/...
|
| [1] - https://9to5linux.com/star-labs-teases-the-starfighter-
| linux...
| Schinken_ wrote:
| I didn't even see the Gen2 release. I own the Gen1 after much
| consideration (and very nice community management from Tom
| over at the XMG Subreddit). I got it in December of 2021 for
| about 600 Euros. (Great Deal).
|
| I know I am very susceptible to "the new shiny" and already
| have the itch to go for the Gen2 since it really brings some
| amazing improvements to the table. Mainly more external
| displays. The rest is nice to have (wouldn't have needed
| >60Hz panel to be honest). Oh and the Gen1 USB-C charging
| only works with a subset of all available USB-C chargers.
| Probably some kind of incompatibility with the IC on the
| motherboard. [1]
|
| If you're thinking about getting it, I can (at least for
| Gen1) vouch for it.
|
| To clarify: Tuxedocomputers is a subsidiary(?) of
| XMG/Schenker. Their "Pulse 15" is equivalent to Schenker's
| "Via 15 Pro".
|
| [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/XMG_gg/comments/jx3220/validated
| _us...
| lhl wrote:
| I also liked that they fixed the biggest niggles w/ Gen2
| (higher DPI display, 2 x M.2 storage, DP1.4 w/ the USB-C -
| rare to see any OEM actually fix the shortcomings of the
| previous verson). If it were a Ryzen 6000, I'd almost
| definitely upgrade, however, per Tuxedo's announcement [1],
| the 35W 5700U (Lucienne, so Zen2, not even Zen3 core)
| basically just matches the 54W 4800H in performance - great
| from a noise/heat/power efficiency perspective, but sadly,
| a total sidegrade when it comes to perf.
|
| "This way the 5700U reaches the already high-end
| performance from its AMD Ryzen 7 4800H-54-watts-equipped
| predecessor, but it comes with significantly better power
| efficiency, delivering on-par-performance with over 30%
| less power consumption!"
|
| [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/tuxedocomputers/comments/vrb1m
| e/tux...
|
| I agree that the Gen1 was one of the best Linux laptops
| around, and the Gen2 is an improvement in every way. My
| original review from 2y ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/AMDLa
| ptops/comments/hunyv6/my_mechr...
| lhl wrote:
| Also, interesting about that charging chart. I was able to
| use basically every 65W and 100W USB-C charger I had (about
| 5 different ones over the years) and also 4 different
| 100W-capable batteries (Zendure SuperTank, SuperTank+,
| Baseus Blade, and Shargeek Storm 2) w/o problems (the
| SuperTank is listed as having issues). I wonder if some of
| the reported incompatibilities were due to bad USB-C
| cables...
| sdwolfz wrote:
| The Tuxedo Pulse 2 looks amazing. They really addressed all
| of the complaints we had (purchased at the beginning of the
| year for our company).
|
| I still have minor nitpicks with it, but those pale in
| comparison with the display port upgrade they did.
| mariusor wrote:
| For me the worst on the Pulse is the battery. Had to change
| one after one year and the new one is losing charge at a
| seemingly higher pace than other machines. :(
| lhl wrote:
| I have a 2y old PF5NU1G (a second run Mechrevo CODE 01)
| as well, and the battery has decayed to ~73Wh (from a
| 91Wh original design). The one bright side is that the
| replacement battery, PFIDG-03-13-3S2P-0, seems to be
| pretty cheap ($60, shipped by boat from China) if you
| know you're going to stick to the same laptop for a
| while...
| https://www.aliexpress.com/i/3256803017144797.html
| okp2o3ji23j wrote:
| Linux as a desktop machine is horrible. Dozens of package
| managers, distros, UIs, everything. Instead of creating one thing
| right and bug-free, linux devs prefer to waste their time
| reinventing the wheel.
| smoldesu wrote:
| Correct. Somehow, though, Linux does "everything" better than
| any other OS I've used in the past. Relative to MacOS and
| Windows, Linux really can be the best of both worlds. Linux
| still plays the games that MacOS and even Windows do not. Linux
| is still getting regular updates on my laptop from 2007. It
| hosts my Plex server, handles the majority of my work-related
| tasks, and generally it doesn't really complain. Having spent
| dozens of hours working around roadblocks in MacOS and tweaking
| Windows to _just barely_ be a dev environment, I 'm perfectly
| happy to use Linux even if though it is total garbage, because
| the kernel is almost undeniably better than modern NT or XNU.
|
| I still think the world of Linux _desktop_ development is a
| total disaster, though. GNOME is out for blood, KDE is building
| great stuff on a terrible library, and everyone else is just
| shifting uncomfortably because Wayland still isn 't desktop-
| agnostic (much less hardware-agnostic, for that matter). The
| way things are headed, I wouldn't be surprised if Linux was
| almost entirely unsupported by Slack/Spotify/Discord in 2025.
| ezekiel11 wrote:
| what I really dislike is some linux user trying to brush those
| things off as a non-issue, it sure is for non-seasoned users.
|
| and this to me is the biggest hinderance to its wide adoption.
| it caters to a specific crowd.
| bbarnett wrote:
| No, choice is far better, for there is no single solution for
| all. There just isn't.
|
| It is as if you are arguing that there should only be one
| motorized personal transportation device. No small or large
| cars, no trucks or motorcycles.
|
| Different people have different needs.
| fortyseven wrote:
| Yes, dad.
| ho_schi wrote:
| I appreciate this effort, even as GNOME-User and while I prefer
| smaller ThinkPads (13').
| thanatos519 wrote:
| Which of these comes with a 4K display?
| sscarduzio wrote:
| None. I cannot understand why. Like all linux-preinstalled
| laptops. The only exception are Dell XPS line.
| 3np wrote:
| There are other exceptions from Tuxedo Computers and Starlabs
| Systems mentioned elsewhere in this thread.
|
| Though yeah, Clevo and others improving their display game
| would be a gamechanger.
| twaw wrote:
| I have HP Chrome 13" with 4k IPS. I love it. But it has one
| bright pixel now.
| philliphaydon wrote:
| X1 Extreme.
| charles_kaw wrote:
| I don't know why this is getting down-voted? It's a serious
| question. 1080p density on a 15in display looks horrible.
| 3np wrote:
| Because it should be obvious that there is no such option, so
| the question is not in good faith.
|
| Currently the most top-voted comment raises the same issue
| with different words.
| rishav_sharan wrote:
| Why should that be obvious? In fact what the poster above
| us asked seems to be a more obvious question for any laptop
| in 2022.
| dingleberry420 wrote:
| Did you click the link and look at the sales page? Did
| you see an option for a 4k display? Or does the page
| explicitly say "1920 by 1080 resolution"? How could
| something be any more obvious than that?
| [deleted]
| rowanG077 wrote:
| CPU base GHz(lower is better)? This is a mistake, higher is
| better.
| Silica6149 wrote:
| I think they mean that lower base GHz is better because the
| laptop drains less battery when idle or doing low effort tasks.
| rowanG077 wrote:
| Those are orthogonal really since your laptop clock can still
| go below base clock when idle.
| atemerev wrote:
| 1920x1080 display? In 2022?
| dochico wrote:
| Would be great to have a 16/10 aspect ratio but what is even more
| important is a decent brightness.
|
| Does someone know if the RAM is glued in or easily replaceable ?
|
| Wondering when we will finally see a good ARM-Notebook with high
| memory >=32GB RAM
| red_trumpet wrote:
| The ThinkPad X13s runs a Snapdragon and allows up to 32 GB RAM.
|
| https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadx/th...
| lhl wrote:
| You get 2 x SODIMM slots. I run my last-gen (4800H) version w/
| 64GB of DDR4-3200 w/o any issues.
| gorgoiler wrote:
| This looks lovely but I'm over pretty slim things, at least for
| personal use. I have an Apple device for work but at home I want
| something for _hacking_.
|
| What's the closest thing I can buy to a cyber-deck laptop, these
| days?
| user-one1 wrote:
| https://frame.work/
| krolden wrote:
| https://www.mntmn.com/media/reform_md/2020-05-08-the-much-mo...
| gorgoiler wrote:
| Very nice. These ARM socs work best when they can run stock
| OSs. The best ones can, the worst ones need GitHub curl hack
| after hack. I wonder how MNT's product stands up to this
| test?
| [deleted]
| qwerty456127 wrote:
| How much Gbps does the USB-C port support?
|
| Does the HDMI port support 4K displays?
| waynesonfire wrote:
| So many great laptop options out there besides mac. Wish there
| was like a laptop conference where one could sample all the
| offerings. I could never buy a laptop without first trying it.
| schaefer wrote:
| Make use of the 30 day return window.
|
| I tried hp dev one, but the screen's viewing angle was so bad I
| couldn't position the screen so that I could see all four
| corners at once without color shift.
|
| I owned it less than one week.
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