[HN Gopher] Bureaucratic processes typically involve a person ne...
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       Bureaucratic processes typically involve a person new to the
       process
        
       Author : physicsgraph
       Score  : 22 points
       Date   : 2022-07-02 18:31 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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       | kkfx wrote:
       | IMVHO doing things demand or to know them up front or to
       | carefully design them and correct the design as long as you
       | advance, because no matter how well you design something up
       | front, it will change, perhaps substantially in some parts.
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       | At a certain point things seems to work and became habits, a
       | newcomer might understand them, might not, might spot
       | illogical/inefficient aspects that are assumed as normal due to
       | the initial evolutionary process and ANY confrontation is such
       | stages typically generate frictions and uncertain feelings where
       | many choose to contour with extra rigidity.
       | 
       | Said that, play network analysis that way seems a bit a nonsense
       | to me. We try to simply things, reduce them to something we
       | already know but... We actually know companies/works paradigms
       | and policies MUCH more than network theory in general.
        
       | fuzzfactor wrote:
       | When bureaucratic growth is multigenerational, the indoctrination
       | of new recruits becomes more important than performance of the
       | original mission.
        
       | chaps wrote:
       | Absolutely. I submit a lot of FOIA requests and one of the
       | biggest limiting factors in access to the records I need comes
       | from people new to the job who haven't been given full training
       | on how to get records. It very much feels like as a FOIA
       | requester, we're training them ourselves.
        
       | cosmiccatnap wrote:
       | Only a supervisor thinks you make a train faster by putting in
       | progressively more train stops.
        
         | Spooky23 wrote:
         | To counter, you need brakes to make a car go fast.
         | 
         | Some bureaucracy are random stops, others are brakes.
        
         | mushufasa wrote:
         | I think the point of bureaucracy is spelling things out so that
         | "anyone can do it" in lieu of hiring talented competent people
         | who cost more. The goal certainly isn't to have a fast or high
         | quality process.
        
           | ta988 wrote:
           | It is a bit like Kubernetes, you end up needing 3 chiefs and
           | 12 workers to run something that a single one was doing
           | before. Then you realize that anyway you can't reuse that
           | process for something new you are trying to do and need
           | another team of 3+12...
        
       | nikanj wrote:
       | Bureaucratic processes are the repeatable builds of government
       | decision making. If you want the same results from every run, you
       | have to dehumanize the process
        
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