[HN Gopher] Tiny Mining Handbook
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Tiny Mining Handbook
Author : bookofjoe
Score : 32 points
Date : 2022-06-28 17:52 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| dongle_67 wrote:
| It's performance art.
| skeeter2020 wrote:
| I tried. I really tried to figure out what I was looking at.
| Catchy title, summary right up front on the linked page,
| predictable navigation... I cannot figure out what I'm looking
| at. This community is so far up it's own butt I wonder if they
| even know.
| foobarian wrote:
| This very much reminds me of certain amateur communities on the
| old Usenet discussing physics and posting various crackpot
| theories. I don't know what it is about the topic that attracts
| this kind of person. Maybe it's just the asymmetry of the low
| effort needed to propose an idea, vs. the high effort required
| to refute it.
| itronitron wrote:
| I haven't read through the whole thing, but this seems like an
| exercise in throwing out conventional thinking in order to be
| receptive to better alternatives.
|
| Such an exercise can be an important practice in the arts.
| Although without knowing the individuals involved I can't say
| whether they are doing this as a warm up exercise to clear
| their collective head, or whether they really believe in the
| stated mission.
| hobo_mark wrote:
| It's just an art project, a means for public servants to
| redistribute excess public cash to their artsy friends instead
| of improving the common good. Don't read too much into it, at
| most be angry if you are a dutch taxpayer.
| kennywinker wrote:
| Yikes. Not a fan of publicly funded art, hey?
|
| I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise, but I am
| going to put a note here so people think critically about
| what you said - first off, cultural impact - during the cold
| war the CIA dumped many uncounted millions into arts funding
| in an effort to control people's perceptions. By most
| accounts it was a success, and ideas they funded have
| dominated the way people think about art, creativity and
| communication ever since.
|
| Next, value for your dollar. Sweden funds their music
| industry to the tune of something like $30-40 million, and
| the industry returns that in the billions. Funding the arts
| is profitable.
|
| Public arts funding does suffer from cronyism and nepotism,
| so does literally any other type of government spending - but
| at least where I'm from most of the arts funding bodies are
| actively trying to solve that, I don't think you can say the
| same about defense contractors.
| hobo_mark wrote:
| I am very much into art, I assume more than the median
| engineer, and several of my friends are actual artists.
|
| Neither CIA psyops, nor profitability of the Swedish music
| industry, nor defense companies have anything to do with
| this article, or with art.
|
| Otherwise thanks for mostly agreeing with my only point, I
| guess.
| kennywinker wrote:
| > It's just an art project, a means for public servants
| to redistribute excess public cash to their artsy friends
| instead of improving the common good.
|
| Improving the common good is one of the direct effects of
| publicly funded art, As the swedish example shows. The
| cia psyops are more of a nod to how powerful it can be in
| ways that can't be measured via GDP. Not always for good,
| but impactful either way.
|
| You may not like this piece, but just like in tech
| startups, you have to fund some failures to find the
| good.
| lvass wrote:
| >Sweden funds their music industry to the tune of something
| like $30-40 million, and the industry returns that in the
| billions
|
| What a silly argument. I'm sure the US somehow funds the
| tech industry, but would you attribute the entire tech
| revenue to them?
| kennywinker wrote:
| Can you name another country with ten million people and
| anywhere near the impact on global pop music as sweden?
|
| I'm not arguing that every dollar of that is because of
| their funding system. But their outsized impact is
| clearly partially due to their funding system. Denying
| that is like denying that y combinator helps businesses
| succeed. Funding when you're getting started matters
| lvass wrote:
| This is why ancaps exist, folks. I thought everything in this
| page was some lame prank, but now I fear the staff part might
| actually be true.
| kennywinker wrote:
| It's an arts research organization, of course it has staff.
| The staff aren't working on "tiny mining" they're working
| on art projects - one of which is tiny mining.
|
| > V2_, Lab for the Unstable Media is an interdisciplinary
| center for art and media technology in Rotterdam (the
| Netherlands). V2_ presents, produces, archives and
| publishes research at the interface of art, technology and
| society.
| Jon_Lowtek wrote:
| hint: look at the involved people and notice how its pretty
| much all artists
| DavidVoid wrote:
| This page seems to explain it a bit better [1]. Tiny Mining is
| the, rather bizarre, idea to "mine" rare earth minerals from
| living humans, instead of from mines.
|
| [1] https://we-make-money-not-art.com/tiny-mining-extracting-
| min...
| goda90 wrote:
| Yeah. I was initially intrigued by the idea of extracting rare
| elements from the body. How much could be extracted? Is it
| worth the effort? What health impacts does it have? Do
| biological processes make these elements more accessible than
| they'd otherwise be?
|
| But the wording in the PDF just immediately turns me off of it.
| If there's any practical and scientific information, it's
| bogged down by a bunch of philosophizing and new wave sounding
| language.
| bookofjoe wrote:
| https://youtu.be/Z8dwXvDL1V8
| UberFly wrote:
| I watched most of this video and it felt like I was getting
| trolled.
| kennywinker wrote:
| I think, it is a troll. An art project of trolling people
| into thinking about how they relate to food, how mining and
| resource extraction works and the human toll of it, etc. As
| another commenter said said "this seems like an exercise in
| throwing out conventional thinking in order to be receptive
| to better alternatives."
| [deleted]
| vageli wrote:
| It seems to be an art project with an idea of extracting precious
| metals from one's own body through the use of dedicated diets and
| special extraction agents. Reading through their "handbook" [0]
| felt remniscent of "House of Leaves".
|
| [0]:
| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K_qEkhMZ5YauNUJpEZQnHo6gft_...
| thesimp wrote:
| Amazing. I clicked on the PDF and got as far as page 4. I really
| tried to read each word of each sentence out loud and pause after
| each sentence to give myself some time to reflect on it.
|
| This is as if a GPT-3 model kicked into high gear to generate
| text and a variation of DALL-E which I shall call CCS-E did the
| perfect layout. It is beautiful but it is complete gibberish.
| woodpanel wrote:
| In the days of alledged sentient AIs I have to say that a
| prequel to The Matrix could definetly be written around an AI-
| concocted social movement of "self-extractors" ;-)
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