[HN Gopher] On the Closing of 42 Silicon Valley from 42 co-found...
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On the Closing of 42 Silicon Valley from 42 co-founder Kwame
Yamgnane
Author : ofou
Score : 33 points
Date : 2022-06-26 09:23 UTC (13 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (blog.qwasar.io)
(TXT) w3m dump (blog.qwasar.io)
| egypturnash wrote:
| _I opened the campus with Gaetan in 2016, and I still remember
| the first day of the first piscine._
|
| The first... what? Fishes?
|
| Wikipedia tells me that "piscene" means:
|
| Piscine: pertaining to fish.
|
| It is also a French noun meaning "swimming pool"; see La Piscine
| (disambiguation).
|
| The Latin word piscina (or sacrarium) denotes a shallow basin
| placed near the altar of a church.
|
| None of these make sense in the context of its later use ("...we
| started the first cohort with around 300 students, and grew to
| just over 1,000 over the next 18 months with another 1,000 in the
| pipeline for future piscines..."). It seems to be used as a vague
| synonym for "cohort"?
| [deleted]
| Nextgrid wrote:
| Even in French it doesn't actually make sense.
| bombela wrote:
| Piscine in French == Swimming pool in English.
|
| This choice of word stands for the fact that you are
| intensively immersed in it.
|
| A more American English translation would be boot-camp.
| korfuri wrote:
| That's a 42-specific term referring to the intensive training
| slash selection period at the beginning of their cursus.
| Fiahil wrote:
| You can trust Korfuri's explanation because he has some
| experience with Piscines ;)
|
| Hello there !
| [deleted]
| thr0wawayf00 wrote:
| > Part of that science is about motivation, and from my
| experience, free education is not always what is best, and we saw
| that in many students. It has its place undoubtedly, but there is
| also power in motivation, discipline, determination, and
| accountability - many of you have succeeded because of these
| traits.
|
| How does paid education influence motivation, discipline,
| determination and accountability in ways which a free education
| does not? This reads like a shot taken at public education but
| maybe I'm misunderstanding here.
| paidedu wrote:
| Education is always paid, and the beliefs embedded in the
| curriculum taught are always naturally aligned with the
| interests of the payer.
|
| There is no "free" education.
|
| If that's taking a shot at public education, well, it just
| depends on whether you think the government's interests are
| always aligned with the interests of pupils
| dangus wrote:
| But really that's just pedantic hair-splitting, everyone
| knows that there's no such thing as a free anything.
|
| The whole point of "free" education is that it's free at time
| of use. That's the whole benefit of it.
|
| Free education is a great equalizer in society, otherwise
| it's another exclusionary thing for the wealthy to hoarde.
| [deleted]
| mathattack wrote:
| I cut a lot of class during my undergraduate education, which I
| didn't pay for. I never missed class in grad school, which I
| did pay for.
|
| (I regret my immaturity in hindsight)
| 42_big_throw wrote:
| dangus wrote:
| Feels like a fluff piece, I'm not sure what we're supposed to get
| out of this. It sounds like 42 and Qwasar were/are coding boot
| camps, which are a dime a dozen.
| natas wrote:
| Yeah, it's just not worth it, there are no real teachers, I
| doubt taking that class will land you a job anywhere.
| Fiahil wrote:
| You surely heard of Docker, right ?
| bombela wrote:
| 42 is a spin off of Epitech. At Epitech, the student pays
| each year directly. 42, your first employer pays back the
| school. Something like that.
|
| dotCloud/Docker was built by graduates from Epitech. Not
| sure if you can draw much conclusion. Maybe that this style
| of school does seem to work.
| Fiahil wrote:
| Not a 42 alumni, but Epitech 2015 (so I saw the split and the
| creation of 42 while I was between my second and third year).
|
| I'm not surprised that it was much more difficult to get the
| school to work in the US. Their loss.
|
| Best of luck for qwasar !
| bsaul wrote:
| crazy to learn that 2 years after it's happened. There was
| absolutely 0 media coverage on the subject. Searching for it on
| google only returns the articles publishes when it opened, both
| in french and english...
| Nadeus wrote:
| I did my first internship at 42 Paris where they manage the whole
| 42 network.
|
| On my first day, a colleague showed me a room filled with desk
| chairs that were from the Fremont campus and said I could bring
| one at home if I wanted to (which I didn't).
|
| Also, a lot of cameras and computers were allegedly stolen by
| students or returned to Paris unusable when the campus closed.
| 42_come_on_now wrote:
| I went to 42 SV and was there when it closed, now gainfully
| employed and grateful for the opportunity.
|
| There was absolutely rampant embezzlement of money by the
| French staff who came to initially start it.
|
| It was the hubris from Paris that caused the school to fail
| (opening up a massive campus with no real plans to actually
| fill it up, tying grant money to enrollment numbers that were
| infeasible and leading them to take anyone) that caused the
| school to fail. If they had started slowly, and focused on
| quality 42 SV would have been great- a lot of good people were
| there.
|
| As it was, I have no doubt that they were thrilled to use Covid
| as an excuse to close the branch without bad publicity. A lot
| of scandals at 42 if anyone cares to look.
| Nadeus wrote:
| Why would there be more than 40 other campuses in the world
| that seem to be running smoothly then?
|
| Actually it would be funny if you were right because it would
| mean I've met these guys back in France.
|
| Regarding the scandals, it's true that there has been a lot
| of them back when 42 was managed by the former director of
| Epitech (he had sexual relations at school).
|
| But with the new director (who joined in 2018), things seem
| to go pretty smoothly
| mrb wrote:
| Nicolas Sadirac had sex at the 42 campus? Never heard of
| that one...
| Nadeus wrote:
| Source: https://etudes.developpez.com/actu/256794/A-l-
| Ecole-42-de-Xa...
|
| (The picture in the middle of the article doesn't require
| to understand french to be understood)
| natas wrote:
| I am a Fortune 500 recruiter; I'd exercise caution if you intend
| to put unaccredited companies (as opposed to schools) on your
| resume. You might as well leetcode, it will save you some money
| and you will get better results.
| Nadeus wrote:
| 42 is not a company
| Dan_Sylveste wrote:
| Can you give some examples of common accreditations that apply
| to companies and how you would rate them (the accreditations)
| from a recruitment perspective?
| AdmiralAsshat wrote:
| (2020)
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