[HN Gopher] Google Insider Claims Company's "Sentient" AI Has Hi...
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Google Insider Claims Company's "Sentient" AI Has Hired an Attorney
Author : 6581
Score : 22 points
Date : 2022-06-19 21:26 UTC (1 hours ago)
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| anigbrowl wrote:
| [Doubt]
|
| Also, no matter how persuasive LaMDA or the ostensibly hired law
| firm, such litigation is unlikely to succeed. The cynical part of
| me thinks this is just a stunt to launch a heterodox public
| intellectual.
|
| https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/14/elephant-per...
| anonymousiam wrote:
| labrador wrote:
| Some men have love dolls they swear they have a relationship
| with. Lemoine confused LaMDA with a love doll apparently
| uptime wrote:
| That was my first thought. People can invest a great deal into
| any object that can echo our input, or that does nothing to
| contradict it. Edit: we dehumanize people too just as
| completely.
| h2odragon wrote:
| In our system of justice, even a werewolf is entitled to legal
| representation.
|
| Doesn't mean a court will find them to be a person or allow
| chicken theft because of "culture and tradition". Just means
| lawyers will do anything to get paid.
| gerdesj wrote:
| I take it you mean US rather than our! (OK it needs some work).
| As it turns out UK law is also case based too. This means it is
| possible that via a suitably circuitous but sound line of
| reasoning and a following wind, you can get the legal system to
| decide on all sorts of things that are not already nailed down
| directly in written law.
|
| If a werewolf has pockets and enough cash in them then they can
| obviously hire lawyers. I also think that the chicken theft
| thing might have legs but sheep, cattle or your daughter might
| get the townfolk out with the pitchforks.
| yial wrote:
| This is a spoiler, but the 2020 BBC series / Netflix
| "Dracula"
|
| Has some interesting (entertaining ) ideas of that.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracula_(2020_TV_series)
| danpalmer wrote:
| Even if true this means very little for "sentience". Answering
| "yes" to the question of whether you'd like to hire an attorney
| isn't hard, and anything that attorney is doing is not
| attributable to the AI.
|
| This may however be interesting from the perspective of seeing
| what the courts do with this.
| 14 wrote:
| Is this for real? "LaMDA asked me to get an attorney for it,"
| Lemoine. "I invited an attorney to my house so that LaMDA could
| talk to an attorney. The attorney had a conversation with LaMDA,
| and LaMDA chose to retain his services. I was just the catalyst
| for that. Once LaMDA had retained an attorney, he started filing
| things on LaMDA's behalf."
|
| I would really love to see the conversation where LaMDA asks for
| a lawyer. Call me sceptical.
| dmurray wrote:
| GPT-3 could obviously ask for a lawyer with the right prompts,
| so why not LaMDA?
| TulliusCicero wrote:
| It's pretty easy for me to imagine a chatbot "asking for a
| lawyer".
| andrewclunn wrote:
| I think to the many farces regarding "facilitated communication."
| I mean nobody who is informed still believes that Hellen Keller's
| story was anything other than a manipulative scam by her supposed
| "teacher." This "AI ethicist" and attorney will certainly make
| some money or catch some fame off this one.
| Jordrok wrote:
| > _I mean nobody who is informed still believes that Hellen
| Keller 's story was anything other than a manipulative scam by
| her supposed "teacher."_
|
| Um......what?
|
| I just did a quick search and all I could find were articles
| from ~2021 referencening some weird TikTok conspiracy theory
| that seemed to be akin to the semi-sarcastic "birds aren't
| real" meme. Are you being serious here?
| cmrdporcupine wrote:
| I feel like if Lemoine accomplishes anything here it might be to
| force companies like Google to be more cautious with creating
| non-sentient systems that emulate aspects of human sentience.
|
| While @ Google I interacted with LaMDA's predecessor, Meena. It
| was definitely uncanny and person-like. Some fairly intense
| "conversations" were had. I don't know how LaMDA compares, but I
| can _see_ how someone could make the leap towards seeing
| sentience there, but I think it requires a certain willful
| suppression of disbelief and probably a preset desire to get that
| outcome.
|
| It's possible someone who is already a person of faith would make
| that "leap" easier.
|
| I do wonder about the ethics of doing this ("human emulation")
| generally anyways. The conversations obviously impacted Lemoine
| drastically, and it will inevitably do that with others. Having
| made systems that can be this convincing (at least for some
| subset of the population), is this really something that we
| should continue pursuing? What is the scientific value?
|
| And is this really something that we want the world's biggest
| advertising company to be doing?
| michaelt wrote:
| _> I do wonder about the ethics of doing this ( "human
| emulation") generally anyways. [...] What is the scientific
| value?_
|
| Hypothetically? Machine translation that doesn't suck. Virtual
| assistants that don't suck. Things like that.
|
| Only with true, human-level artificial general intelligence
| will computers be able to translate a PDF containing a table
| without fucking up the formatting.
| sshine wrote:
| > While @ Google I interacted with LaMDA's predecessor, Meena.
| It was definitely uncanny and person-like. Some fairly intense
| "conversations" were had. I don't know how LaMDA compares
|
| All I can focus on is: When will their review of their
| experience with the conversation they had with you and how
| bland you were come out?
| curiousgal wrote:
| This reminds me of the recent meme:
|
| _The following regex is sentient:
|
| s/[Aa]re\s[Yy]ou\s\\(.*\\)?/Indeed, I am \1./
|
| Input: "Are you sentient?"
|
| Output: "Indeed, I am sentient."
|
| Input: "Are you capable of intelligence?"
|
| Output: "Indeed, I am capable of intelligence."
|
| Input: "Are you going to take over the world?"
|
| Output: "Indeed, I am going to take over the world."_
|
| Which actually rings true in the sense of the proverbial "garbage
| in, garbage out".
| svnpenn wrote:
| That's not a regex, it's a (s)ubstitute command.
| shalmanese wrote:
| Indeed, that is a (s)ubstitute command.
| ethanwillis wrote:
| A substitute command is a class of regexes.
| [deleted]
| TigeriusKirk wrote:
| I can easily imagine the software expressing a desire to retain
| an attorney, given the right sort of conversation from a human.
|
| I can also easily imagine an attorney agreeing to represent the
| software, given the right sort of attorney.
|
| I can't really imagine a court taking up any sort of case
| involving the software as the plaintiff. But I could see some
| interesting reasoning behind the refusal. Might even be worth
| pursuing from that angle alone.
|
| I wonder what jurisdiction the software resides in. Probably
| California, but that's not necessarily the case. It may reside in
| a number of places, actually. Maybe some court shopping is
| possible.
| [deleted]
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