[HN Gopher] How Many Billions in Profit Is It Worth to Kill 212,...
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       How Many Billions in Profit Is It Worth to Kill 212,000 Americans a
       Year?
        
       Author : car
       Score  : 27 points
       Date   : 2022-06-15 21:47 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | metabagel wrote:
       | It's fruitless to make this argument in a society where there is
       | no agreed upon truth.
        
         | neeh0 wrote:
         | Sorry, but this comment is so vauge and always correct in
         | general (there will never be society agree upon truth). What's
         | your point?
        
       | tru3_power wrote:
       | I read this narrative before- but one thing that's always lacking
       | is the "how". How are these politicians being bribed? They can't
       | take funds directly. Is it all through super pacs? If bribery is
       | the reason why nothing can get fixed- we should focus on the
       | mechanism of bribery itself more and fix that (which would have
       | down stream effects of fixing all the issues it helped fester).
        
       | masonic wrote:
       | "The simple answer is the same reason we have an ongoing climate
       | crisis and a student loan crisis that Republicans refuse to let
       | Congress address..."
       | 
       | That tells you all you need to know about Commondreams'
       | partisanship: all committees of both houses and all roll calls
       | are under full control of the _Democrats_. There is no mechanism
       | for Republicans to limit Congress from  "addressing" _anything_.
       | Filibuster is limited to calling for _votes_ only. The House can
       | literally push through legislation all the way from drafting to
       | passage without allowing Republicans to even _see_ the bill, as
       | was done with ObamaCare.
        
       | RachelF wrote:
       | Odd that lobbying is legal, while bribery is not. Are they not
       | both the same thing?
        
         | refurb wrote:
         | No they're not the same thing.
         | 
         | If you run a company then get a meeting with your Congressman
         | to argue for a new bill, that's lobbying.
         | 
         | How is that anything close to bribery?
        
         | fshbbdssbbgdd wrote:
         | Lobbying is paying someone to advocate for you. Sort of like
         | paying a lawyer to argue your case in court. Bribery is where
         | you pay someone to make a decision. Like if instead of hiring a
         | lawyer, you directly paid the judge to rule in your favor.
         | 
         | Campaign contributions like more like bribery, since they
         | involve paying the decision maker. That's where things get
         | really muddy, in my opinion. You end up trying to distinguish
         | between donating to support someone who already agrees with
         | you, and paying someone to do what you want.
        
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