[HN Gopher] Plasma 5.25
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Plasma 5.25
Author : HieronymusBosch
Score : 171 points
Date : 2022-06-14 12:56 UTC (10 hours ago)
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| mikevm wrote:
| I don't understand why they still haven't changed their ugly
| black flat icons, they are just horrendous. And the default fonts
| on KDE have always been bad too. I feel that with just a couple
| of tweaks it could be much much more pleasant.
| ropeladder wrote:
| Do you mean the little icons they use on eg Dolphin's "Places"
| panel? I agree they are not great. Does anyone know how to
| change them?
|
| I've been trying to use Nemo as my default file manager in
| Fedora KDE, but something broke where I can't actually launch
| anything from Nemo most of the time, so I'll probably go back
| to Dolphin.
| jasfi wrote:
| Looks a bit like MacOS, cool! Too bad the default is the taskbar.
| I would prefer a dock.
| smoldesu wrote:
| KDE can handle docks, too. Actually, you could have multiple
| docks if you really wanted...
| troyvit wrote:
| There's a popular app for KDE called Latte dock[1]. It replaces
| your bar with a highly configurable dock that was inspired by
| OSX.
|
| [1] https://github.com/KDE/latte-dock
| zamalek wrote:
| Lattedock is the best dock for any desktop environment I've
| used (including Windows/StarDock, MacOS/built-in, and
| Gnome/Dash-to-Dock). Install Latte, run Latte, and finally
| delete the bottom panel. It takes less than a minute to change
| it.
| babypuncher wrote:
| Latte dock can give you a dock pretty similar to macOS. There
| are also widgets that let you build a global menu bar, and
| libraries which allow most apps with a menu bar to export it to
| the global one.
|
| I've done a lot of experimenting though and never gotten it in
| a state that feels as polished as macOS.
| yokoprime wrote:
| It's more of a Windows 10 look. Gnome has a toolbar at the top
| giving it somewhat of a macOS feel (which I guess is why some
| skin it to death with macOS like widgets)
| zamalek wrote:
| They should adopt Latte as an official/built-in project and
| present the user with presets on their first login IMO.
|
| But going with the Windows look by default is a good idea
| because, in terms of pure market share, that's what users
| expect.
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| Yeah, KDE has always felt more Microsofty while GNOME has
| felt more Apple-adjacent.
|
| GNOME 2.x kind of reminds me of Classic Mac OS with a taskbar
| duct taped on while GNOME 3.x+ is kind of like what you'd get
| if you tried to turn iPadOS into a desktop OS.
|
| Nothing in the open desktop world really mirrors Aqua-era OS
| X or modern macOS which is a bit weird to me. ElementaryOS
| aesthetically reminds me of OS X 10.9, but doesn't operate
| like it at all in practice, instead also feeling kind of
| iPad-ish like GNOME does.
| smoldesu wrote:
| GNOME 3 took most of the parts of Aqua that I liked and
| removed the ugly "lickability" from it to seem more
| professional. It was good (and controversial), but
| eventually they threw all that work away to Big Sur-ify
| their desktop.
| Macha wrote:
| Many of those "Big Sur" changes came to Gnome first, I
| remember my first impression of the design changes being
| "Looks like Gnome"
| ahartmetz wrote:
| I guess it's because:
|
| - Copying something old is kind of embarrassing, especially
| if
|
| - Seriously, macOS isn't/wasn't clearly superior at
| everyhing. For example, I think the dock is a rather
| terrible idea.
| wiz21c wrote:
| I use plasma on debian current stable 10+ hours a day. It works
| really well except for a few bugs sometimes (diasppearing window
| decoration after using firefox).
|
| As a user, I like Plasma a lot but what I'd love is even more bug
| fixes. It's not that bugs are there by the dozen, I hardly
| encounter one, but I have a global feeling that little details
| here and there could be improved.
|
| Anyway, thx KDE for Plasma, it just rocks !
| ryantgtg wrote:
| File reports!
| dethos wrote:
| Excellent. Since it was released, Plasma 5 has been my Linux
| desktop environment of choice and, truth be told, it keeps
| getting better and better.
|
| Nowadays I can't stand an environment without the sane defaults
| and powerful customization capabilities we can find in
| Plasma/KDE.
|
| A big "thank you" to all KDE contributors.
| Gracana wrote:
| I recently switched from Ubuntu to Arch with Plasma, and this is
| the first time I've been truly happy with a KDE desktop. It all
| works, it's snappy on my 8th gen intel system with AMD graphics,
| I've been able to tweak anything I wanted to tweak, hidpi looks
| good, and now there's a new release and it's looking even better.
| raffraffraff wrote:
| Same, except OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. First time using any SUSE
| distro for over 15 years, and it's really nice. I don't really
| want to tweak everything, and Tumbleweed has a nice UI to
| quickly switch between DE lookalikes (like, click this one too
| get top menu, bottom dock)
| ryantgtg wrote:
| I've used KDE and Arch for the last three years and it's been
| great and pain-free. I got a new Thinkpad last week and used
| the archinstall installer, and was up and going in 15 minutes.
| Very smooth.
|
| KDE devs are regularly in the kde subreddit and they seem nice
| and approachable.
| babypuncher wrote:
| I was happy with KDE 3.5 back in the before times. Then KDE 4
| happened.
|
| I'm glad we are back in a good place with KDE 5, but it felt
| like it took way too long.
| akagusu wrote:
| Plasma is the best modern desktop environment for Linux and yet
| people barely talk about it.
|
| It is complete, mature and works out-of-the-box.
|
| For users it has sane defaults but provides virtually endless
| customization and contrary to other desktop environments, user
| customization is encourage.
|
| For developers, it provides solid libraries to build upon, not
| like other libraries that are constantly changing and making
| developers' life harder.
|
| And yet, people don't care about it.
| Beltalowda wrote:
| I haven't even looked at KDE in many years (I'm not a DE kind
| of user and just use dwm), but this was true back in the KDE 3
| days as well, which I considered much nicer than the
| contemporary Gnome 2 as well. I never quite understood why
| Gnome got so much more attention compared to KDE.
| Wuzado wrote:
| Bundling in major distros? (Say, Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora,
| SUSE(?)) GTK being open-source and quickly adopted by several
| popular projects? Being initially under the GNU Project?
| Probably a lot of factors adding together.
|
| KDE is pretty great, though.
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| Its sheer customizability makes customizing it into a real
| task, though. Every time I start sifting through its settings
| my eyes begin to glaze over.
|
| It's gotten better over the years but still has a long way to
| go. Something that would help a lot is if KDE came prepackaged
| with a handful of different full configurations that could be
| easily flipped between to serve as starting points.
| db65edfc7996 wrote:
| Linux barely works as it is. I no longer have any interest in
| debugging my desktop technical problems. Which means my best
| option is to use the most popular environment so when I do
| encounter an issue, there is likely to be someone who has
| already encountered the same issue and reported a solution.
|
| Until Ubuntu switches to KDE, I am stuck in the Gnome-lets-
| remove-desktop-icons-because world.
| runjake wrote:
| Here you go[1]. Official[2] Ubuntu with KDE.
|
| 1. https://kubuntu.org/
|
| 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubuntu
|
| Edit: OK, "officially blessed".
| 5e92cb50239222b wrote:
| I wouldn't call it official, it's a side project run by the
| community. 'Official' would be something created and
| supported by Canonical. It's a moot point though since you
| get the exact same thing by installing Ubuntu without a gui
| and then doing 'apt install plasma-desktop'.
| TheChaplain wrote:
| Ubuntu already have a KDE flavour; https://kubuntu.org/
|
| Myself I'm running XUbuntu (XFCE) as my daily driver, works
| excellently and I have no issues doing what I need to do.
| kps wrote:
| As a heavy terminal/editor user, I use KDE because it's not too
| difficult to stop its programs stealing the Control key. It
| could, and should, be much easier (global) but at least it's
| possible.
| klibertp wrote:
| Remap Control_L to Hyper_L in xmodmap, then map Hyper to
| Control in the terminal emulator. Just an idea, personally
| I've been working with window managers (most recently
| Awesome) and not desktop environments exactly due to the
| keyboard shortcuts that are hard or sometimes impossible to
| unbind...
| captainmuon wrote:
| I never got over the renaming to Plasma. KDE 3 was great at
| it's time, but KDE4 / Plasma felt like this bloated, buggy
| desktop shell seemingly based on QML (not sure, but it looked
| like it did) with the strange cashew in the corner. Plasma was
| _too_ configurable, with too many ways to break your setup.
|
| I'm sure it got a lot better, and people have even described
| Plasma 5.x as light weight. The times I tried it later, I liked
| it, but for the time being the Linux desktop has lost me and
| I'm using Mac :-)
| atoav wrote:
| I entered the game way after the renaming and it makes a lot
| of sense to me. KDE is the organization, plasma is that
| specific project (like Korganizer is the Calendar
| application).
| zokula wrote:
| jcelerier wrote:
| > Plasma is the best modern desktop environment for Linux and
| yet people barely talk about it.
|
| It's the DE of the Steam Deck, for which was apparently 1.5
| million units were already sold in May. That's certainly one of
| the most significant events for the Linux desktop.
| akagusu wrote:
| Although it makes its way to Steam Deck, the Linux community
| favors Gnome and other DEs.
|
| If you search for videos and blog posts, Plasma is usually a
| second class citizen.
| pjmlp wrote:
| So now people are plugging monitors, keyboards and mices to
| Steam Decks...
| steamer wrote:
| Writing is tedious but desktop is very much usable without
| without extra peripherals. I am replying via steam deck.
| squarefoot wrote:
| How durable are the gaming controllers and keys on the
| Steam Deck? Are they repairable/swappable? I'm usually
| fairly heavy on gamepads and broke a few of them already,
| so I'm not that comfortable buying something that I could
| easily damage.
| IE6 wrote:
| This is completely tangential and a purely anecdotal
| observation but I find it interesting that big movements in
| the "year of the linux desktop" usually come in some very
| specific use case like ChromeOS or SteamOS.
| Barrin92 wrote:
| because the biggest issue for linux is that it's not the
| default on end user devices. Barely anyone is ever going to
| (re)install an operating system so large companies shipping
| linux is a big deal.
| jrm4 wrote:
| I'm glad you said it, I think it's _really_ important,
| especially for those of us who really like Linux.
|
| It's easy to split hairs over "true Linux" or whatnot, but
| I think it's far more valuable to celebrate wins like
| ChromeOS and SteamOS in the hopes of encouraging more of
| this. I think that's what gets us closer to the general
| ideas and ideals of "Linux" and or "Free Software" broadly.
|
| It won't be "Year of the Linux Desktop," it will be "Years
| of many Linux Desktops."
| dagw wrote:
| I distinctly remember the KDE 3->4 transition causing a massive
| revolt and lots of people abandoning KDE. I also remember
| personally switching from KDE3 to XFCE right around then
| (although I cannot quite remember exactly why, or what the
| specific complaints at the time where.). I wonder if we can
| still be seeing the echos of that backlash as most of the
| people who left KDE simply never came back.
|
| That being said, I did recently try KDE5 for the first time in
| ages about a year ago, and it is now (again) my favorite
| desktop environment.
| akagusu wrote:
| The transition from KDE 3 to 4 was a completely disaster, but
| KDE devs learnt from it.
|
| They made a successful transition from KDE 4 to 5, and are
| committed to users needs, so we can expect a smoothly
| transition to Plasma 6.
|
| Now, compare it to Gnome, where every release means deeply
| changes for both users and 3rd party developers, and Gnome
| developers simply don't care.
| calvinmorrison wrote:
| Yeah, it's unfortunate they abandoned the really good HCI
| paradigm in favor of glitzy, interesting problems to work on.
| KDE4 rollout was a absolute trainwreck.
| simcop2387 wrote:
| If it was like me, the KDE4 roll out was done way too
| haphazardly and wasn't usable for a bunch of releases (like
| 1.5-2 years? been a while) but a whole bunch of distros
| adopted it anyway, despite the KDE developers saying it
| wasn't ready yet. That ended up leaving a lot of people with
| a bad taste for it. the Plasma 5 releases were handled much
| better. I'm hoping that this latest release fixes the last
| few bugs with wayland that i kept running into (mostly
| multimonitor crashes, been tracking the bugs and they claim
| to have fixed all the ones i remember seeing last, but we'll
| see). I really want to ditch X11 because there's a noticeable
| performance increase and better power usage with wayland, by
| about 4-5 watts on my laptop, when it does run. It's also got
| better handling of scaling displays which is nice but not as
| critical for me.
| snapplebobapple wrote:
| This was what pushed me off kde back in the day and started
| a multiple year odyssey through all the lesser desktops
| before ending up on lxde for a while. When lxde started to
| get left behind as they tried to port to lxqt with limited
| resources I took kde 5 for a whirl and it was like meeting
| back up with an old friend and I haven't bothered with
| anything else since except a brief foray into qtile (I see
| why people like tiling desktops but I also really think
| they are not good for anyone with a diverse and ever
| changing usage/workflow sitaution vs just autobooting kde
| with a few windows set to autostart in fixed locations).
| [deleted]
| Macha wrote:
| It's nice and were I to use a standard desktop environment I'd
| be all over it, but I'm too attached to tiling WMs and bismuth
| doesn't quite cut it compared to i3/sway.
|
| As a non default environment for most distros, I think this is
| the problem they face. Once you get into the people going into
| the customisation sphere, everyone has their own little
| dealbreakers like moving a window left repeatedly with keyboard
| hotkeys not wrapping into the next monitor, or the amount of
| spacing on titlebars or the way the dark theme handles the
| settings app
| jeroenhd wrote:
| > And yet, people don't care about it.
|
| It works as you expect and you don't ever need to tweak it
| unless you're really into it, which makes it... boring. Boring
| is good. You don't want your desktop manager to distract you,
| it's there to help you!
|
| As for library support, I looked into it but the only real
| options seem to be to write code in C++ (not a fan) or to use
| some high level abstraction (Python).
|
| I like GTK for projects like gtk-rust. The relevant types and
| macros seem much better supported than any Qt binding I've seen
| so far, and the Qt ones often come with unsafe code blocks out
| of necessity.
|
| My Rust GUI code will (sadly) be GTK based because of its
| decent support without too many hacks. That's quite sad,
| because GTK applications look very GNOME-like, even when
| running on Windows or macOS. An unfortunate result of their
| unwillingness to consider other options in the CSD/SSD fight.
|
| Stupid stuff like the inability for applications to look native
| in any desktop environment is why I don't think we'll reach the
| year of the Linux desktop any time soon. The Linux desktop
| can't even run applications in a consistent style.
|
| Any way, I hope KDE will in time grow more language diverse.
| I'd like to switch my code to a less opinionated code base.
| IronWolve wrote:
| I like kde, it was my main for a over a decade. I had lots of
| automation, then continual updates kept breaking my kde setup,
| as functionality was modified for things such as window setup,
| placement and size, to the teams correct way of functionality
| of settings should work. Bug fixes I guess.
|
| Took a many years of me interface hopping around, but I'm back
| at kde. I was using mate, but I'm back at kde on arch.
| MisterTea wrote:
| I always felt kde was both cluttered and bloated. From memory
| the initial plasma debut was met with a lot of complaints about
| stability which tarnished its reputation (though it did
| improve.)
| teekert wrote:
| You should give it another chance.
| 5e92cb50239222b wrote:
| I was a heavy KDE user until 4 came out. After a massive
| amount of issues with it (Plasma crashes every few minutes
| on multiple devices with different hardware), I abandoned
| KDE and tried it from time to time after seeing comments
| like yours (roughly once a year or so). I don't know how
| well it works these days (no desire to spend any more time
| on trying it out), but IME it worked about as badly as the
| first 4.x releases until at least whatever version was the
| latest at the beginning of 2021. It's the same story every
| time -- I install it, login into my desktop, start doing
| stuff, and get crashes at least once an hour (on wildly
| different hardware, on many releases ten years in a row).
| Nepomuk crashes, Plasma crashes, kio daemon (or whatever it
| was called) crashes, this thing and that.
|
| I found happiness in xfce4 (that beauty hasn't crashed even
| once in about 8 years of using it heavily), and then sway
| (same story, currently at two years).
| chupasaurus wrote:
| > on wildly different hardware, on many releases ten
| years in a row
|
| Is the problem. Plasma has been my daily driver since
| 4.4, on Debian testing, on systems which I know
| beforehand wouldn't have any random issues (Debian-
| specific also).
| 5e92cb50239222b wrote:
| Eh, maybe. I don't care either way anymore. If it works
| for you -- great, I haven't been so lucky. Everything
| else has been running smoothly (even gnome), and as a
| fanatical Linux user I'm usually very careful in my
| choice of hardware (no nvidia/broadcom/etc).
| akagusu wrote:
| It was. Now it is a full featured and lightweight DE.
|
| I've switched from Gnome after 15 years to Plasma 5, and I've
| never been so happy.
|
| Contrary to Gnome, Plasma is lightweight, works out of the
| box without 3rd party extensions, but yet 3rd party themes
| and extensions are 1st class citizens.
| JJMalina wrote:
| How is Plasma in terms of CPU, memory, and graphics load? When I
| switched from Mac OS X to Linux six years ago I tried Ubuntu but
| I found Gnome to be incredibly slow and resource intense. Then I
| tried Xubuntu and I've used it ever since. I'm pretty happy
| running XFCE on two 4K screens with my desktop and on my hidpi
| Lenovo laptop. I've noticed Plasma continuing to improve and
| people recommending it so now I'm more keen to test it out.
|
| Besides the improved UX are there any other advantages of Plasma
| over XFCE?
| AnotherCommetn wrote:
| Plasma (KDE) is generally lighter than XFCE these days. Highly
| dependent on how you customise each one of course.
|
| IIRC there was a thread a while ago with benchmarks. And an
| XFCE developer confirmed that this doesn't surprise them,
| because KDE have a lot more dev resources to spend on
| optimisation than they do.
| quantumfissure wrote:
| Honestly, At this point, KDE is just as light as XFCE and Gnome
| is pretty low too. From my testing, minimal KDE on Arch or
| Gentoo install pulls it ~450-500mb at boot, Manjaro and Suse
| around 550-600mb.
|
| Fresh Gnome on Arch or Gentoo I've seen ~650 at boot and around
| 750 with Ubuntu, around 650-700 with Fedora.
|
| Gnome's Wayland implementation is much better then KDE at this
| moment, but KDE is quickly catching up. Nvidia still lacks,
| even with their EGL support. I use a Nvidia 1060 6gb on an
| updated (KDE 5.24), but several year old Manjaro KDE install
| with XOrg as a daily driver, and it's very smooth for me. Games
| work great. Maybe some occasional stuttering on my monitors
| that are 144 and 60hz (xorg limitation).
|
| Gnome's gestures and by far and away better then KDE's too (at
| least as of 5.24, but 5.25 adds many more).
| lolpython wrote:
| > Gnome's Wayland implementation is much better then KDE at
| this moment
|
| Agreed, with a caveat-- Gnome's Mutter compositor for Wayland
| has bugs. It does not support server side rendered window
| decorations while KDE does. This means that the title bars
| for Alacritty[0] terminal emulator and the mpv[1] video
| player are ugly and not so functional. This is an intentional
| decision by the GNOME team[2]. Also the screen locks while
| watching videos on mpv because Mutter does not support the
| idle-inhibit protocol, although work is currently being done
| on this[3].
|
| [0]: https://github.com/alacritty/alacritty/issues/5956
|
| [1]: https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/pull/7186
|
| [2]: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/217
|
| [3]:
| https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/merge_requests/111
| zamalek wrote:
| Also, Mutter does not support variable refresh rate.
| dylan-m wrote:
| The window decorations stuff drives me batty. Titlebar and
| buttons aside, there seems to be a widespread
| misunderstanding about window shadows. There is some vague
| effort afoot[1], but a surprising number of developers
| don't really care whether they're consistent (note, nobody
| even mentions shadows in that extremely long gitlab issue
| you linked to), despite the Gtk folks going to tremendous
| efforts to make them look nice for their specific toolkit.
| Which is great, until you have a Gtk 3 app beside a Gtk 4
| app and it looks like they're each being affected by a
| different light source, begging the question: why do we
| even have them? Shadows are supposed to create a consistent
| sense of space and guide the eye around the desktop, but if
| they're all different, that isn't happening. They're just
| noise.
|
| To be fair, it's difficult because Wayland clients might
| have rounded corners and other odd shapes, and I'm not in a
| position to really look into it myself so I shouldn't
| complain, but _argh_ , the indifference about it is
| frustrating.
|
| [1] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/1517
| jeroenhd wrote:
| Ugh. I enjoy the GNOME look and feel but every thread on
| their big tracker makes me want to switch desktop
| environments. "Your standard is irrelevant because we don't
| want to follow it" is something I'd sooner expect from
| Microsoft than from an open source collective.
| noisy_boy wrote:
| I have been dealing with frame drops and not-so-smooth video
| since I updated the NVIDIA driver to version 515 on my Pop_OS!
| install on Thinkpad Extreme Gen 2 (last "good" version was
| 460). I thought of trying another DE to see if that makes any
| difference and with KDE, even though the graphics issues are
| somewhat still there, the performance is a definite
| improvement. I thought of trying KDE because I heard all good
| things about it and it has indeed been a joy to use. Now if
| only NVIDIA had the ability to produce some decent drivers for
| Linux...
| babypuncher wrote:
| I run what I would consider a pretty heavy Plasma desktop, with
| latte dock, all the fancy compositing effects, and a few other
| additions. On top of that, I'm running several Electron apps,
| one Windows app in Wine, and Firefox with several tabs right
| now. My memory usage is 3.5GB.
| wooque wrote:
| It's still heavy.
|
| Other suggest that it uses same or even less memory than Xfce,
| that may be true on fresh boot, but it's misleading, because
| Plasma utilizes lazy load aggressively and also still leaks
| memory like crazy.
|
| I tried to use it for a while and I noticed that memory grows
| quite a bit after using it for a whole day for example. I
| witnessed once plasma-shell process using 600MB and kwin 300MB,
| which is quite bad, worse than even GNOME. You can restart
| processes and it returns to normal, but I don't want to do
| that, I want DE using reasonable resources, not 1GB for showing
| wallpaper and few windows
| dnzm wrote:
| To be fair, a DE does quote a bit more than just "showing
| wallpaper and few windows". If that's your only use, switch
| to something like Window Maker or maybe something even more
| sparse.
| riidom wrote:
| Can't really confirm, it's at 350mb now after 4 days of
| uptime - when I add krunner and baloo indexer, it's 630mb.
| brnt wrote:
| Phoronix benchmarks are showing for years now that KDE has the
| lowest footprint. Only bare window managers beat it.
| IceWreck wrote:
| Plasma consumes almost the same amount of resources as XFCE.
| However you tradeoff stability for shiny new features.
| mattlondon wrote:
| Brilliant! Now all we need is reliable WiFi, Bluetooth, CPU power
| management, wake from sleep, screen scaling, and audio and we'll
| be ready for Linux on the desktop! /s
|
| Less sarcastically though, I found plasma to be the most usable
| of the bunch and glad to see the release cadence continuing.
| Gnome et al feel like they are on a relentless march to replicate
| Mac OS as closely as possible. I find Mac OS's approach to
| multitasking actively user-hostile, so something same like plasma
| is welcome.
|
| Ironically I migrated to Mac OS because hardware support in Linux
| on common dell hardware is just not there, even in the 2020s
| haolez wrote:
| I've just came back to Linux, with Plasma nonetheless, and the
| only problem I had from this list was that sleep was consuming
| a lot of battery. Besides that, everything worked fine. It's
| good enough :)
| qudat wrote:
| sleep_then_hibernate is the setting I used and it worked
| great for preserving battery life.
| itwillnotbeasy wrote:
| Have used multiple monitors with latest KDE, and never had an
| issue with display scaling - both fonts and icons look good,
| whereas in MacOS fonts are just terrible on external displays,
| so far tried 23" 1080p, 27" 1440p and 34" ultrawide 1440p with
| the same result. And KDE also allows changing external display
| scale, where MacOS only offer setting lower resolution,
| seriously, wtf?
|
| That's a pity that in year 2022 apple sells notebook with only
| 16GB of RAM for $2000 and there is still no adequate
| alternative for the macbooks in terms of hardware, battery life
| and driver support.
|
| MacOS feels so limited compared to KDE, even base functionality
| like alt+tab that shows windows previews(and not icons), or
| window arrangment with keyboards shortcuts or by dragging to
| the display corners, is not possible without 3rd party
| software.
| mikro2nd wrote:
| Who the hell decided that windows no longer need a border?
| Clearly someone who never has overlapping windows open at the
| same time. It's a horror-show of trying to visually figure out
| where one window ends and the one beneath it begins because,
| well... white backgrounds look just the same as other white
| backgrounds. Please, for the love of everyone's bleeding eyes,
| put the border decorations back. (If I could find out where to
| change the styling myself it would be done already. But I can't
| and defaults matter!)
| 5e92cb50239222b wrote:
| I believe MS removed windows borders (on Windows) quite a while
| ago, and you don't even get a choice there. Maybe they've just
| copied that.
| jstimpfle wrote:
| Borders on Windows 10 are ~1px wide and last time I looked
| they couldn't be tweaked to be thicker. There is a drop-
| shadow too, but that has hardly if any effect for white-on-
| black terminal windows.
| viraptor wrote:
| It's literally called "windows decorations" in the settings.
| https://userbase.kde.org/System_Settings/Windows_Decorations
|
| See the "window border size" dropdown here
| https://userbase.kde.org/images.userbase/d/d2/SystemSettings...
| dTal wrote:
| On my system, if you type "window borders" into krunner, it
| pops up the "Window Decorations" settings page. Krunner can
| be spooky sometimes.
| mikro2nd wrote:
| Krunner is my friend! ;) Between Krunner and a few custom
| hot-keys I seldom use a conventional app launcher any
| more...
| mikro2nd wrote:
| Thank you for that! Was disabled (so _very_ light grey)
| because "Use Theme border size" was selected, so I never
| noticed the whole thing.
|
| I say again, though: Defaults matter!
| kube-system wrote:
| Drop shadows are a way to discern between overlapping windows
| without a border.
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