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Diet Coke probably isn't a cognitive performance enhancer
Author : Gadiguibou
Score : 74 points
Date : 2022-06-13 16:24 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| htk wrote:
| So they just decided to ignore the Caffeine in it for the sake of
| making a point?
| kraquepype wrote:
| It isn't mentioned, but maybe they used caffeine free diet
| coke?
| jacobmischka wrote:
| Yeah, this article makes no sense. Caffeine is absolutely a
| cognitive performance enhancer and is undisputably in Diet
| Coke.
| dougdonohoe wrote:
| Back in the dot-com days, thanks to employer-subsidized soda
| fridges, I was drinking easily 6+ cans of diet soda a day (in my
| case, Diet Dr. Pepper). Along with other startup related
| behaviors like eating fast food (Carl's Jr, what's up?) and not
| exercising, my weight increased to around 220 lbs on a 6'1"
| frame. I stopped drinking diet soda around the time I joined a
| weight-loss startup in 2011, and started eating healthier and I
| end up dropping down to around 175 lbs, which I more or less
| maintain to this day. I personally think "diet soda", even though
| "0 calories" doesn't do anything great for your metabolism or
| weight and is a great oxymoron of a product.
| treeman79 wrote:
| Between personal experience and Having talked to a lot of
| weight loss people. Diet sodas seem to increase overall hunger.
| Making it harder to stick to a good diet.
|
| People have one can lose weight on a Twinkie diet. Doesn't mean
| it will work for the 99% of us.
| jamal-kumar wrote:
| The fact may be that artificial sweeteners may alter your
| microbiome and cause you to crave more calories as a result [1]
|
| Not to mention the most carcinogenic ingredient? It's the dark
| caramel coloring, which is why you get in Denmark 'clear cola'
| from their local brands (North Americans can enjoy some Zevia
| in this way). I guess that's just burnt sugar off the bottom of
| a vat or something. [2] Not to mention the phosphoric acid in
| there for the 'taste', which is a pretty sweet ingredient for
| stripping rust off of chrome! [3]
|
| I don't know why I still drink this stuff on occasion hahaha.
| They even take that acid out of stuff like hardware store rust
| strippers these days.
|
| [1] https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/artificial-sweeteners-
| can-...
|
| [2] https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/289687
|
| [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7OdX42NjWQ
| symlinkk wrote:
| It sounds like you're confusing the effects of eating unhealthy
| food with the effects of drinking soda
| daniel_reetz wrote:
| There's some clinical evidence that artificual sweeteners are
| associated with weight gain. It's interesting stuff and worth
| a look.
| stordoff wrote:
| > around the time I joined a weight-loss startup in 2011, and
| started eating healthier
|
| I'm not sure how you can distinguish between the effect of the
| change to the drinks and the effect of the other changes.
|
| Personally, I've gone from drinking 6+ cans of Diet Coke a day
| to 1-2 plus water with no other changes and noticed no effect
| from it.
| themitigating wrote:
| I think everyone knows that "diet" in a product name means it's
| healthier than the non-diet product.
|
| It also does help with your health if you were going to consume
| the non-diet version of that product in similar quantities.
| rr888 wrote:
| > I think everyone knows that "diet" in a product name means
| it's healthier than the non-diet product.
|
| Disagree with this. Its marketing BS to focus on one diet
| optimization usually at the expense of something else.
| shadowofneptune wrote:
| What would be the something else? There are occasional
| studies that may indicate health risks associated with diet
| soda, but as best as I can tell they are not really
| conclusive. The health issues with consuming large amounts
| of refined sugar on the other hand are concrete and very
| well documented. Dental caries, increased likelihood of
| developing diabetes mellitus, etc.
| culi wrote:
| It's true that refined sugar has been very clearly proven
| to be associated with terrible consequences to your
| health. But most of the sugar substitutes used in "diet"
| products simply don't have those warnings because they're
| just newer and less studied. But there's been a lot of
| recent research showing just how bad these artificial
| sweeteners can be even in small amounts. Some studies
| have even shown long-lasting and intergenerational
| effects on the gut microbiome[0] and increased cancer
| risks.[1] The impacts on the gut microbiome[2] are
| particularly worrying to me. Many of these sweeteners
| love to sit in your gut for a while and can lead to
| really weird microbiome makeups and possibly even be a
| risk factor for diabetes and/or metabolic syndromes
|
| [0] https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnut.202
| 1.79584...
|
| [1] https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.
| 1371/jo...
|
| [2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25231862/
|
| More reading:
|
| - https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/artificial-
| sweeteners-su...
|
| - https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.13
| 71/jo...
| saiya-jin wrote:
| Aspartame which is often used for 'diet' drinks is rather
| crappy chemical stuff you really shouldn't be putting in your
| body in the first place.
|
| People feel they are doing _something_ for their health when
| its really not the case since they still remain well within
| the junkfood category (something akin to using denser filter
| in cigarettes - less big particles may well mean finer stuff
| is kept in lungs for longer, and travels deeper)
| m463 wrote:
| IHMO you are confusing product marketing with good health
| advice.
|
| Marketing is just a legal way to tell only the good side of a
| story.
|
| "low-fat" usually means sugar. "sugar free" usually means
| artificial sweeteners (or something made without sugar
| anyway). Even "no added sugar" is suspect.
|
| What I've found hilarious is the new "KETO!" marketing craze.
| I really suspect that most of these products will not induce
| or maintain ketosis.
|
| (the actual health impact of ketosis is not clear to me
| anyway)
| gigaflop wrote:
| A ketogenic diet is ultra-low-carb, to the point where your
| body enters ketosis, and becomes much more amenable to
| burning your fat reserves for energy.
|
| Essentially, keto-friendly means very low carb/sugar.
| x3iv130f wrote:
| The trick is to do an 4:1 dilution of sparkling water and diet
| soda.
|
| You will end up with 1-2 cans of diet soda heavily diluted by
| water.
|
| After you get used to it, ordinary canned soda will start
| tasting like the carbonated syrup it actually is.
| Raphael wrote:
| Sparkling water on its own is fine.
| jansan wrote:
| Oh no, the trick is to buy the sirup from a discount
| supermarket (for example Aldi's Diet Orange soda sirup) and
| dillute it with water from your sodastream (or sodastream
| knock-off, also from Aldi). This way you will always know
| that there are three components in your soda: sirup, tap
| water and CO2.
| kreeben wrote:
| Ok so there's an even better trick, hear me out. Don't
| drink soda. It's sugar, water, and purple. Two of those are
| not good for you.
| culi wrote:
| It's wild how far we go to keep doing our bad habits.
| It's like with veganism. That major EAT-Lancet study
| found that, although vegetarianism and veganism had many
| positive impacts on measures of environmental impacts,
| vegetarianism was actually more beneficial than veganism
| on impact of biodiversity. This is basically because
| vegans consume more "fake meat" and other such products
| that require a lot of processing and packaging and end up
| having a terrible impact on the environment
|
| Curry is great! I do veganism occasionally for periods of
| time and I personally believe that if you can't do it
| without craving meat you are just not creative enough.
| There's plenty of amazing food and flavors out there that
| don't need meat. Not to mention, you'd probably have a
| smaller environmental impact by buying some really
| expensive meat/eggs from some free-range farmer from your
| local farmer's market than if you buy that fake meat
| stuff that's probably made of the soybeans grown on the
| soy farms that are rapidly replacing the Amazon
| systemvoltage wrote:
| What would have happened if you continued to drink Diet Dr.
| Pepper while also joining the weight-loss startup, eating
| healthier and exercising?
| runjake wrote:
| Trivia: Diet Pepsi has 177mg Aspartame, so a rounding error's
| difference of phenylalanine.
|
| Perhaps this started as a Diet Coke marketing viral campaign?
| bena wrote:
| I wasn't even aware this was a question.
|
| I'd also consider the possibility that high-achievers realize
| that drinking calories is hardly ever worth it. And if you want
| something that tastes like soda but has all the nutritional value
| of water, Diet Coke is your best option.
| the_lonely_road wrote:
| This is me so long as you consider me a high-achiever. I got
| addicted to coke when I was young and as an adult I drink lots
| of Coke Zero (previously Diet Coke) because I can't or don't
| want to break the habit and I want to preserve every spare
| calorie I can for desserts. Not gaining weight as I
| transitioned into an old man required me to severely cut back
| on my consumption and liquid calories have always been at the
| top of the list.
| bombcar wrote:
| The absolute best pipeline is to go Coke -> Diet Coke -> Coke
| Zero -> Caffeine Free Coke Zero -> colored water -> water,
| but there is no pipeline at all. It was cancelled, and people
| should be aware of what they drink and drink mindfully and
| responsibly.
| corrral wrote:
| For me it was Various Kinds of Sugary Soda -> Club Soda or
| sparkling mineral water _sometimes_ with a squeeze of
| citrus.
|
| I craved the carbonation more than I craved the sugar, it
| turns out. Club soda instead of seltzer water because
| seltzer often has ~0 salt in it, which tastes pretty damn
| gross when combined with carbonation (to me, anyway)
|
| I find artificial sweeteners intolerable, so skipped that
| phase, I guess.
| kibwen wrote:
| Sprite Zero has zero caffeine, if you must have a sugar and
| caffeine-free Coke product.
| thoughtpalette wrote:
| Sprite doesn't include any caffeine [0] in the regular
| version, but there's a massive amount of sugar as per
| usual with soda.
|
| [0]: https://www.sprite.com/products/sprite
| kibwen wrote:
| Indeed, which is why I specified Sprite Zero, which
| doesn't seem to be too hard to find in stores when I
| bother to look.
| bombcar wrote:
| Yeah, Sprite Zero is the sugar-free diet version.
| gardenhedge wrote:
| I dislike comments like this because it is stated as a
| fact. There is no pipeline at all.
| bombcar wrote:
| I'll update it for you!
| [deleted]
| arnejenssen wrote:
| I agree. I'd think it would inhibit the cognition. Just by the
| fact that it is ultraprocessed "food". And we don't see smart
| people drink sodas.
| sph wrote:
| One thing is certain: after years of Coke Zero, I've come to
| dislike regular sugary Coke. It's undrinkable, makes me even
| thirstier, and the American version with HFCS might be even
| worse. Also, Coke Zero >> Diet Coke, it's the perfect version
| of the Coca-Cola formula in my opinion.
|
| The other day I had a sip of some no sugar soda, and I had to
| double check if I had by mistake bought the full sugar one, it
| tasted so sweet. Nope, it was sugar free. They're real good
| these days, though I don't know how healthy.
| pigtailgirl wrote:
| -- can't drink coke zero or regular coke, regular coke is so
| disgusting - coke zero is meh - however - easy to knock off 3
| or 4 diets cokes in a work day - tastes so good --
| jaywalk wrote:
| I find Coke Zero disgusting. But I feel the same way about
| regular Coke, and Coke Zero is supposed mimic the way it
| tastes. So that makes sense.
| [deleted]
| rpmisms wrote:
| Protein shakes are great!
| reidjs wrote:
| Those have a massive amount of calories
| jacobmischka wrote:
| They really don't at all given their nutritional value. 25g
| of protein (which should suppress appetite a bit) for 120
| calories is by no means massive.
| prvit wrote:
| Check out isopure protein drinks for a lower calorie
| alternative.
|
| 0 carbs, lactose free. http://www.theisopurecompany.com/en-
| au/product/isopurezeroca...
|
| They aftertaste is a little weird, but still much easier to
| drink than protein shakes.
| thoughtpalette wrote:
| YMMV. I LOVED the taste of those (used to get the green
| tea flavor). I have now switched to an "infusions"
| variety [0]. Has a better taste (I mix with water) than
| chocolate in water, and is very refreshing after you let
| it sit for about a min after shaking.
|
| [0]:https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FHPGS4V?pd_rd_i=B07FHPGS
| 4V&pf_r...
| nkozyra wrote:
| Honestly one of the worst things I've ever tasted - I
| haven't seen them around for years.
|
| Plain protein powder (Optimum Nutrition / whatever you
| like) is generally _mostly_ protein so if you 're good
| with just chucking it in water you have a nearly
| equivalent macro breakdown.
| mlyle wrote:
| They really do, but if you power a couple down in
| substitute for lunch and aren't tempted to snack, then it
| can be an OK thing to do.
| gardenhedge wrote:
| They should be used as a supplement and not a substitute.
| mlyle wrote:
| Eh. If you want to slightly lower your caloric intake,
| and you normally eat a 700 calorie lunch... replacing
| that with 350 calories of protein shake a few times per
| week and still eating a healthy dinner, etc, is
| reasonable.
| SoftTalker wrote:
| If you just want the protein you can buy unsweetened
| protein powder and mix it with water. If that's too bland
| you can add a little juice, still way less calories than
| the typical bottled protein drink.
| gigaflop wrote:
| I use them as a convenient way to guarantee protein and
| calories, and use them as a way to help hammer out my
| hunger after the gym. 2-ish scoops, whole milk, mmm. Drink
| it fast, because it is not meant to be savored.
|
| 600 calories, tops.
| nkozyra wrote:
| They can, or they can't, depends on what's in them.
|
| A scoop of protein powder in water or almond milk might hit
| 130 calories and will satiate, unlike diet coke.
| friedman23 wrote:
| For the amount of protein they contain this is just false
| wollsmoth wrote:
| They are but I like a constant stream of cool drink around.
| Usually this is just water or seltzer but sometimes it's a
| coke zero :-)
| sydthrowaway wrote:
| Calories in vs calories out is a myth. How do diet sodas affect
| insulin response? Not well I suspect.
| IE6 wrote:
| Perhaps from a purely academic sense but in practice it's
| pretty reliable.
| astrange wrote:
| "Calories in vs calories out" is a restatement of the second
| law of thermodynamics and must be true.
| taylorius wrote:
| Then how the hell did Trump do it, dammit??? ;-)
| rendall wrote:
| Well that blows my summer plans!
| ck2 wrote:
| It took me many years but a great thing you can do for yourself
| is quit all soda.
| rbarragan wrote:
| Even these "cognitive enhancer" sodas?
| mattwest wrote:
| Fun fact: Diet Coke has 34% more caffeine than regular Coke
|
| https://www.coca-colacompany.com/faqs/what-is-caffeine#:~:te....
| echelon wrote:
| What a domain name. I don't think I've ever seen anything quite
| like that.
| LeifCarrotson wrote:
| Let me check my spam folder - yeah, there are tons of
| phishing attempts with unusual combinations of hyphens, no
| hyphens, and company/inc/group that have similar amounts of
| legitimacy. A domain of coca-colacompany.com doesn't seem
| that unusual.
|
| Oh, you mean the #:~:text=
|
| URI fragment - yeah, that is weird! I wonder what the
| function of the :~ emoji is in their CMS. I know from painful
| experience that XML names can begin with a colon [1]; I fear
| that an identifier which is only a colon features prominently
| in their schema...
|
| I also enjoyed the line at the bottom, in corporatese
| nonanswer to the question "Is caffeine addictive?"
|
| > We know that not everyone drinks caffeine and not everyone
| wants to drink it all the time, so we also offer a range of
| caffeine-free beverages, including [insert local caffeine-
| free example] so people can make the choice for them and
| their families.
|
| Someone in some committee vetoed 'including water', much to
| the chagrin of the Dasani and Smartwater reps in the
| meeting... or maybe they were duking it out with the new Aha
| guy and there was no clear winner yet.
|
| [1] https://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/#NT-NameStartChar
| atombender wrote:
| It's called a text fragment, and it's a draft standard:
| https://wicg.github.io/scroll-to-text-fragment/.
| maleno wrote:
| It's not a CMS thing, it's a Chrome thing.[1] It highlights
| the text in the URI fragment when you click through to the
| page, and also auto-scrolls to that text.
|
| [1] https://web.dev/text-fragments/
| acka wrote:
| It appears that Google Search has started to add those
| text fragments onto URLs in search results. Is there a
| setting or a browser extension that allows me to get rid
| of them?
| Sylamore wrote:
| Bing does it too
| LeifCarrotson wrote:
| TIL! I'm a Firefox user, so didn't see anything.
| jaywalk wrote:
| Not a lot of companies have a dash in their name like that.
| MrPoush wrote:
| It can be very helpful when providing clarity about where a
| word break should be. There's a reason that Experts
| Exchange uses http://www.experts-exchange.com rather than
| the hyphen-free version.
| gowld wrote:
| www.hy-vee.com
|
| www.winndixie.com
|
| www.coca-cola.com !!
| dwaite wrote:
| I suspect this is to try to quantitatively match the stimulant
| effect of caffiene plus sugar/HFCS in the sweetened
| alternatives.
| scoopertrooper wrote:
| Alternately, the artificial sweetener might end up being too
| sweet, so they balance it out with some more bitter caffine.
| jjice wrote:
| My guess would've been the appetite suppressant qualities
| of caffeine.
| gowld wrote:
| Why would they do that instead of putting in less
| sweetener?
| yababa_y wrote:
| balancing out the acid maybe?
| function_seven wrote:
| This is like the Three Body Problem, but with recipe
| ingredients!
| freedomben wrote:
| I drink a lot of caffeine free diet coke now that I've
| developed a caffeine intolerance, and I think you're right.
| It doesn't have the bite without the caffeine and tastes
| kind of flat.
| tppiotrowski wrote:
| Am I the only one that experiences sugar as a depressant?
| Eating high glycemic index foods makes me lethargic and
| sleepy. I've never experienced a "sugar high". I also don't
| have diabetes as my blood sugar level is within norm during
| routine physicals.
| javierga wrote:
| Yes, this happens to me too. I can get maybe a maximum
| 15-20 minutes of increased cognitive performance after
| ingestion. Once that is over I become lethargic and
| afterwards a bit irate since my concentration dips.
|
| It bothers me that people like Warren Buffet can go along
| their day ingesting copious amounts of coke normal and
| sweets and still be a functional productive human being.
| tppiotrowski wrote:
| When I used to work at big tech, we had a candy buffet in
| the kitchen and unlimited ice cream. This definitely
| lowered my work performance.
| teekert wrote:
| Did they sell diabetes solutions? "Eat your own dog
| food"...
| javierga wrote:
| I would probably not leave the buffet in order to
| maintain my high... thankfully in small tech I've only
| been offered access to water and coffee.
| treeman79 wrote:
| Had that for years. Then got diagnosed with an autoimmune
| condition. Eliminating sugar is the number one thing that
| helps prevent flares for me.
| culi wrote:
| Yeah same here. I feel like crap almost right away when I
| eat most anything with a decent amount of added sugars
| kilroy123 wrote:
| That sounds like insulin resistance, not diabetes.
| Melatonic wrote:
| It is probably just overload for you - I get the same thing
| after a big big meal or a lot of sugar. But a small amount
| is another story. If you drank the original size of coke
| (which I think was 8 ounces?) you might have another
| reaction!
| tppiotrowski wrote:
| The amount definitely has an effect, but its a linear
| function where lethargy increases proportional to sugar
| intake.
| cdaven wrote:
| Yep, me too! There is actually a link between high GI and
| sleepyness; orexin. It's a chemical messenger in the brain,
| and if you have very little of it, you have narcolepsy. If
| you have been injected or sprayed with a lot of it, you
| stay alert without sleep. Oh, and glucose inhibits orexin
| production!
|
| My personal theory is that I have inherited a low base
| level of orexin, which makes me react with sleepyness to
| carbohydrates. I have no idea if this is accurate, though.
| tppiotrowski wrote:
| Maybe you could eliminate orexin as the cause if you ate
| a big meal and inhaled orexin, then noted if it lowered
| drowsiness (placebo affect aside)
| tonguez wrote:
| hinkley wrote:
| There's a theory out there that since your intestines have
| 'taste buds' for sugar, that eating artificial sweetener
| ends up increasing your body's ability to scavenge sugars
| from your digestive tract.
|
| It's one of the working theories for a causative link
| between obesity and consumption of diet soda. Which is
| usually swamped by the correlative link between the two.
| cryptoanon wrote:
| Do you have ADHD? That's the typical reaction to
| stimulants.
| ksaj wrote:
| There is the well-known "sugar crash" but it sounds like
| you basically start the crash without any of the energy
| boost.
| seer wrote:
| Maybe you just get the insulin spike that deals with excess
| sugar in the blood much sooner which I think is what is
| supposed to make you sleepy. Probably should consider
| yourself lucky :)
| oldgradstudent wrote:
| Could potentially be reactive hypoglycemia:
|
| https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-
| conditions/diabetes/expe...
|
| It could occur even if fasting blood glucose is still at
| normal levels.
| dhosek wrote:
| Sugar, despite popular belief, is _not_ a stimulant (I'd have
| to pull up my Intro Psych textbook to find the citations on
| this, but it's been deeply studied).
| frosted-flakes wrote:
| Similarly, it doesn't make kids hyper. That's probably just
| a side effect of the environment in which kids typically
| get candy. There was a study, but I don't know what it was
| called.
| oldgradstudent wrote:
| Coke Zero, on the other hand, has the same amount of caffeine
| as regular Coke, which makes me doubt this hypothesis.
| jp57 wrote:
| "Placebo enthusiasts" is a great term.
| amelius wrote:
| I found out that when I stop drinking Diet Coke, I get depression
| symptoms. (Reproduced three times now).
|
| It must have something to do with the aspartame in it. When I
| take DLPA pills (a breakdown product of aspartame), the
| depression goes away quite fast. Drinking a can or two of Diet
| Coke also does the trick.
| johndoughy wrote:
| You sure it's not just the caffeine? Caffeine withdrawal
| symptoms includes depression and a host of related symptoms.
| bradlys wrote:
| Try caffeine free and see if it persists. I drink caffeine
| free.
|
| I'll be going on a multi month purge from it though. Water only
| for a few months. It'll be brutal especially because I have
| high standards for water. (And most water tastes terrible)
| jamal-kumar wrote:
| I'd talk to your doctor about this:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine_dependence
| sandworm101 wrote:
| Biggest advantage over regular coke: does not get sticky when you
| spill it.
| BeefWellington wrote:
| Also, does not attract ants.
| Dragonai wrote:
| Stains from diet soda are also way easier to completely clean
| up due to the lack of sugar! I've seen Diet Coke/Coke Zero
| stains vanish from light-colored clothing within minutes.
| cwillu wrote:
| It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the cola of
| coca that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire pits, the
| pits become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in
| motion.
| anonymouse008 wrote:
| > More concretely, phenylalanine is in all sorts of foods like
| eggs, chicken, milk, soybeans, and breast milk. Remember how
| phenylalanine is an essential amino acid? And remember how you're
| reading this right now and not dead? From these facts, we may
| conclude that you consume phenylalanine all the time.
|
| Oh man, this had me chuckling and is a great TLDR for many
| supplements.
| whoomp12342 wrote:
| i so confused. is phenylalanine good or bad?
| FredPret wrote:
| Causing one to be not dead weighs heavily in its favour by my
| reckoning
| sharedfrog wrote:
| > essential amino acid
|
| Essential means you both need it to live and your body can't
| make it on its own - you must get it from diet.
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| tetraca wrote:
| It generally isn't. Some people don't have the ability to
| metabolize phenylalanine, and it will slowly poison them.
| However, if this is you, you would definitely know.
| [deleted]
| amelius wrote:
| So if your PA level is constantly high because of drinking
| Diet Coke, then you will poison yourself too?
| tetraca wrote:
| > PA level is constantly high because of drinking Diet
| Coke
|
| I'd probably question if this is even possible in a
| healthy individual. You probably eat a lot of
| phenylalanine regularly. My intuition is that you'd
| really have to go out of your way and actively want to
| give yourself brain damage to even achieve this.
|
| Given this: https://www.myfooddata.com/articles/high-
| phenylalanine-foods... which shows chicken breast has
| 2190mg and your average can of diet coke has around 104
| mg https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1617863/, I think that
| probably holds.
|
| EDIT: That link probably underscores that the warning
| label on your coke can is purely for the benefit of
| Phenylketoneurics, not you. A steak & 2 egg breakfast
| with a latte would land you with far more phenylalanine
| than you could sanely consume purely through coke. You'd
| likely be sick from the caffeine sooner than the
| phenylalanine.
| mlyle wrote:
| No.
| hinkley wrote:
| If you have phenylketonuria, then you can't metabolize it
| very fast and so anything in excess of what your body needs
| becomes a liability.
| dankai wrote:
| Contrary to most opinions here, I lost weight through Diet Coke
| and diet drinks and kept it down thanks to it. These sodas (or
| rather the artificial sweeteners) allowed me to cut out sugar
| totally out of my diet at age 16 where I weighed 250 lbs at my
| highest, to 140 lbs at my lowest at age 21. Now I'm 30 years old
| at a healthy 160 lbs. I never worked out (still hate it) and only
| achieved this thanks to the dietary changes I was able to make
| through 0-calorie sweeteners. Perhaps my experience differs from
| other peoples, but I personally know 2-3 other people like me.
| Today, like most days, I drank at least 80 fl oz of diet soda and
| it never had a negative effect on me.
| gigaflop wrote:
| Back when I was losing weight, I was fueled by caffeine,
| anxiety, and aspartame, so this checks out with my own
| experience. 270 to 180, sitting now around 205.
|
| I did mostly cardio back then, but now lift weights. Switching
| to 0-calorie drinks has allowed me to better balance my diet
| for my personal wants/needs.
| lotsofpulp wrote:
| Do you drink water at all? Have you ever had a kidney stone?
| dankai wrote:
| I do drink water sometimes. But during the day, when I'm
| working or out at a restaurant it's 99% diet soda. I haven't
| tasted sugar based Coke in over 15 years because of my
| aversion against sugar.
|
| Never had a kidney stone or anything like it.
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