[HN Gopher] ACM Makes Thousands of Research Articles Freely Avai...
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ACM Makes Thousands of Research Articles Freely Available; Opens
First 50 Years
Author : kulandai
Score : 235 points
Date : 2022-06-12 17:28 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| nmstoker wrote:
| I look forward to someone creating a curated list of particularly
| influential papers over the years.
| ddingus wrote:
| Thank you! That is all.
| cvccvroomvroom wrote:
| Anyone else's company's employment agreement prevent them from
| join a standards body without permission?
| elric wrote:
| Where are you from? Is it common for an employer to be able to
| regulate what you do when you're not on the clock?
| Jtsummers wrote:
| Nope. I've even had them pay my membership costs for ACM and
| IEEE and various SIGs or Societies within them. Why wouldn't
| they want you to participate, even passively, in these
| organizations?
| bigbillheck wrote:
| ACM is a professional organization, not a standards body.
| WalterGR wrote:
| If anyone is curious, here's the previous discussion:
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31447465
|
| "ACM Digital Library Archive is Open Access with 50 Years of
| Published Records" (acm.org)
|
| 473 points by yarapavan 23 days ago | 51 comments
| khaledh wrote:
| And here's the original discussion at the time of the
| announcement:
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30944881
| ACM Opens First 50 Years Backfile 177 points by
| mitchbob 66 days ago | 49 comments
| sam_lowry_ wrote:
| javajosh wrote:
| WalterGR wrote:
| Could you not? Please?
|
| Take a gander at the site guidelines linked in the footer.
| kache_ wrote:
| scihub?
| shortformblog wrote:
| I interviewed ACM's CEO recently on this topic, which has been
| shared previously: https://associationsnow.com/2022/05/the-way-
| things-were-why-...
|
| Quick note: They are planning on opening the whole archive in a
| few years but it is still a work in progress. The plan is for
| 2025 for the whole archive to be opened. They released the first
| 50 years now in part because it timed well to the 75th
| anniversary.
|
| Finally, the org's 75th anniversary livestream took place on
| Friday, more info about it is here:
| https://www.acm.org/75-celebration-event
| nescioquid wrote:
| Thanks for the article. I've wondered why they need to open
| access to these papers in tranches. I had imagined there is
| probably work to prepare each paper and possibly securing
| agreements?
|
| > "Our goal is to have it open in a few years, but there's very
| real costs associated with [the open-access work]," Hanson
| said. "We have models so that we can pay for it."
|
| This sort of confuses me even more. Is the "paying for it"
| talking about the work needed to be done to make each paper
| open-access, or is this talking about funding the ability to
| host the papers?
|
| Just curious about what the costs are that are mentioned and
| the plan to cover those costs and how the results in needing to
| open access to papers in tranches. Maybe the model could be
| adopted by other journals, too?
| shortformblog wrote:
| While I don't want to speculate for ACM, I do know a lot
| about the association space and their business models as I
| have reported on this space for a decade. I would suggest
| that in a situation like this, "paying for it" probably
| refers to:
|
| - Accounting for the loss in revenue from changing a service
| that was once commercial (as this would be an example of a
| loss of a "nondues revenue," something a lot of organizations
| are actually trying to increase so as to cut back their
| reliance on membership dues)
|
| - Potential rights considerations (there are magazine
| articles with photos in that archive, for example, and many
| of those might have contracts/ownership considerations to
| work through)
|
| - The labor of actually managing the transition (with
| something like this you wouldn't want to just run a script to
| open it up, you probably would have to double-check things,
| and there are simply a lot of things). They have to budget
| for any employee work used to handle this transition.
|
| They emphasized to me in our interview, however, that the
| issue was not technical; I actually thought it might be given
| the amount of content there is, but as they're quoted as
| saying in the piece, the real work centered around the
| creative decision-making around actually making a call like
| this.
| erk__ wrote:
| This is great news, I have been rather annoyed in the past when I
| wanted to share stuff that were on the archive publicly. The last
| such example I can remember was Peter Naur's reasoning that it
| should not be computer science, but Datalogy:
| https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/365719.366510
| the-smug-one wrote:
| In some languages it is datalogy :). For example Swedish:
| https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datavetenskap
| _delirium wrote:
| Peter Naur was Danish, and was successful in getting the term
| datalogy established in the Scandinavian languages. Although
| in recent years most institutions have stopped using it in
| English materials and adopted "computer science", I guess for
| greater international visibility. For example, the department
| Naur established at the University of Copenhagen, the
| _Datalogisk Institut_ [1], is now branded as the Department
| of Computer Science [2] in English. Whereas when Naur was
| still running it, he called it the Datalogy Institute.
|
| [1] https://di.ku.dk/
|
| [2] https://di.ku.dk/english/
| martyvis wrote:
| Sadly I think this announce came around the time they
| relationship that gave you access to O'Reilly library was torn
| up. I suspect a lot of people won't be renewing ACM membership
| just on economic grounds
| asmbaty wrote:
| What are some precious information in ACM.org that is not
| possible to get another place? I mean in this age where
| everything is so public. Or not? I used to have a 1 year free
| access to all of ACM resources. This was a gift. But I did not to
| anything. Maybe I lost an opportunity.
| wolverine876 wrote:
| I think you are overestimating how available high-quality
| information. Low quality, misinformation, disinformation - that
| is all widely available.
| flowerbeater wrote:
| What if you needed to link to a paper on your company's
| website? You'd link to sci-hub?
| bruce343434 wrote:
| (edit: almost) everything can be found on sci hub.
| grendelt wrote:
| Not everything. A lot. But stuff published this year still
| hasn't made its way there. And not all social sciences.
|
| source: dissertating
|
| (When I need something I can't get through my library,
| #icanhazpdf, find on scihub, or other googley means; I just
| email the author. Though that can take some time.)
| kvathupo wrote:
| In my experience, the only hole in shadow libraries is that
| they lack scans of old papers on non-trendy subjects.
| Interestingly, it seems the humanities don't have analogously
| useful sites.
| gzer0 wrote:
| On a related subject, does anyone know of a simple technique to
| download and save large quantities of all publicly available
| research articles?
| colechristensen wrote:
| Write a scraping program with appropriate throttling to be nice
| to providers with beautifulsoup on python. I have done this
| fairly successfully.
| ksr wrote:
| Simple technique and large quantities are often not
| compatible... Check out the work of Internet Archive Scholar at
| https://scholar.archive.org. Their code is open source
| https://github.com/internetarchive/fatcat-scholar
| bee_rider wrote:
| Since it is available for free online, why not just download
| what you need? Their site has nice suggestions for related
| works anyway -- managing a big heap o' papers seems like a
| pain.
| whiskeytuesday wrote:
| RIP Oxide computer company. Cantrill's productivity is about to
| go to zero for a while.
| eatbitseveryday wrote:
| > RIP Oxide computer company. Cantrill's productivity is about
| to go to zero for a while.
|
| What's the relation?
| bcantrill wrote:
| Ha -- I've actually been a Digital Library subscriber for a
| long time due to my association with ACM Queue, and tried in
| vain for years to get the ACM to do something like this. I
| _did_ convince them years ago to let selected practitioner DL
| subscribers "unlock" interesting articles, which I promptly
| did myself with one of my all-time favorite articles[0] -- but
| ACM didn't publicize the program (or really even mention it?)
| and to the best of my knowledge, that article was the only one
| made available.
|
| [0] http://dtrace.org/blogs/bmc/2008/07/18/revisiting-the-
| intel-...
| pmayrgundter wrote:
| Awesome! Thanks ACM!
| ArtWomb wrote:
| A lot of the digital libraries, open data sets & code
| repositories suffer the same (quite hard) problem: a lack of
| finding aids for humans. Just greet the user with the same
| boolean advanced search fields. ACM, IEEE, NASA-ADS, Arxiv,
| Genbank, etc. All are aware of open access and "researcher
| development", but no one has a better solution than cloud based
| capsule model ;)
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