[HN Gopher] Things you're allowed to do (2020)
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Things you're allowed to do (2020)
Author : jger15
Score : 170 points
Date : 2022-06-11 16:07 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| IshKebab wrote:
| This list would be a lot better if it didn't mix the "huh, I
| hadn't thought of doing that" things like hiring a researcher
| with dozens of "yeah obviously you can do that" things like
| taping over annoying LEDs. Lists aren't better just because
| they're long.
| photochemsyn wrote:
| You're also allowed to write erotic fairytale fan fiction and
| publish it on the internet.
|
| Just because you're allowed to do something, and by 'allowed' I
| assume it means, not breaking the laws written down by your
| local, state, and national legislative bodies, doesn't mean you
| _should_ do that thing. (And, conversely, there also may be
| things you aren 't technically allowed to do that might sometimes
| be a good idea _to_ do, although any such actions should be
| contemplated judiciously).
| parenthesis wrote:
| A gentleman is one who can play the bagpipes, but doesn't.
| dymk wrote:
| Are you saying one shouldn't write erotic fairytale fan fiction
| and publish it on the internet? If so, why?
| leephillips wrote:
| Because someone might accidentally read it. Unacceptable
| risk.
| cperciva wrote:
| Not the GP, but if you're into writing erotic fanfic I'd say
| it's polite to avoid subject matter which might result in
| children being accidentally exposed to it.
|
| IIRC this was Rowling's basis for saying "Harry Potter fanfic
| is fine as long as it's not erotic" -- too many kids
| searching online for everything Harry Potter.
| yoyohello13 wrote:
| Based on my high school experience. The vast majority of
| erotic fantasy fanfic is written by ~13 year olds.
| mgdlbp wrote:
| Becomes muddy when you account for the 'children' who write
| some of the erotic fanfic....
| avindroth wrote:
| You are replying to the title of the post, rather than the
| content. Most things on this list are valid and useful.
|
| Also the attack on the strawman is very elementary as well.
| photochemsyn wrote:
| I'm sorry, I thought the title was a bit click-baity is all,
| and was following a rather worn out marketing ploy: "Liberate
| yourself, you're allowed to [spend money on these products]!
| Freedom! And here's some personal growth tips to go along
| with that."
| avindroth wrote:
| Got it. I perceived the title as a good midpoint between
| clickbait and boring. What would you recommend as an
| alternative title?
|
| Also, if I may, you may be associating this article too
| heavily with the field of self-help. I personally am not a
| fan of self-growth tips (most are bad), but I thought this
| article was not bad. For instance, you don't really think
| to hire a personal researcher. And also, it's just a list,
| not prose selling an idea. Also most "products" on this
| list are abstract.
| rco8786 wrote:
| Or you might end up writing 50 Shades of Grey (which started as
| an erotic Twilight fanfic published on the internet) and set
| yourself and your kids up for life. Ymmv.
|
| https://www.businessinsider.com/fifty-shades-of-grey-started...
| hathawsh wrote:
| > Seriously, just put WD-40 on that squeaky hinge already
|
| Tip: WD-40 is for cleaning rust. It's not a very good lubricant.
| For squeaky hinges, or many kinds of metal-to-metal contact, you
| want 3-In-One oil, which is a real lubricant that's in most
| hardware stores.
| IgorPartola wrote:
| WD-40 has so many old wives tales about it who knows what it is
| really for. Off the top of my head: lubrication, water
| displacement, loosening stuck bolts/penetrating oil, oil for
| sharpening things, solvent, cleaning products, assembly lube.
| Rebelgecko wrote:
| There's also some horrifying home medical "remedies"
| involving WD-40
| justinpombrio wrote:
| It also helps improve whiteboard surfaces! You can turn dirt-
| cheap white "showerboard" into a mediocre whiteboard by
| spraying it with WD-40.
| skykooler wrote:
| WD-40 works great as a _temporary_ lubricant. This makes it
| good for stuff like loosening bolts, and means that it will
| stop the hinge from squeaking - but after a while it will
| evaporate and the hinge will squeak again. This is why you
| want to replace it with a proper oil for anything permanent.
| Lammy wrote:
| Water Displacement 40
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| Nextgrid wrote:
| Ideally you'd want both. WD-40 will be good to clean off any
| old grease & dirt accumulated in there. _Then_ you lubricate
| with an actual lubricant.
| phkahler wrote:
| Build your own airplane. This is a fine tradition that is more
| common than most people realize. Also possible in many other
| countries besides the US. Your local EAA chapter should have many
| resources to help you along the way.
| elliottkember wrote:
| > Write on a post-it note affixed to a greeting card rather than
| on the greeting card itself, so the recipient can throw away the
| post-it and reuse your card
|
| You are allowed to do this, but people will think it's strange.
| If you don't want to spend $7.99 on a greeting card
| (understandable) it's better to make your own card and write a
| really thoughtful message. Draw something, if you can, even
| badly. Those are the cards that people keep.
| em-bee wrote:
| when i get a card, i care more about the personal note than the
| card. so actually, i'd keep the post-it and reuse the card.
|
| my grandma used to send postcards without a photo, where all
| space except the address field was used up with her message.
| leephillips wrote:
| That used to be what we called postcards. The ones with the
| photos were called picture post cards. The postage for a
| postcard was cheaper than the postage for a sealed envelope.
|
| [Notes from olden times....]
| 65 wrote:
| More accurate title: Things you're allowed to do if you're
| wealthy and highly educated.
| krallja wrote:
| More ideas:
|
| Run for office
|
| Start a SuperPAC
|
| Rent powerful tools
|
| Install three-phase power to your homelab
|
| Rent an office
|
| Create a mysterious alter ego
|
| Write a book. (Fiction, even.)
|
| Hire a voice actor / composer / musician / painter / ... (related
| to several ideas on OP's list)
|
| File a patent
|
| Build a musical instrument... radio transmitter... boat... car...
| plane... helicopter... rocket...
| starwind wrote:
| > Run for office
|
| Many counties and cities also have boards that normal citizens
| can join. It's usually not too hard to get on it if you can
| make a good case like "I live in the community, this is
| important to me, I have experience in this area." Good thing to
| do if you don't want to get as involved as running for office.
| You also might meet some important people in local government
| skykooler wrote:
| Something I wonder about the last one - if you're a US citizen
| and you build a rocket, you can't hire anyone who isn't to work
| on it due to ITAR. If you're _not_ a US citizen, can you
| legally build a rocket yourself in the US?
| throwaway_1928 wrote:
| > File a patent
|
| Your employer will claim this as his own.
| UIUC_06 wrote:
| Chat with a homeless person. No social worker talk. Don't ask
| them anything about how they got there, how their life is, what
| they need, etc. etc. Just treat them like a normal person:
| weather, sports, local traffic, etc.
| HanaShiratori wrote:
| I think 99.9999% (rough estimate) of people treat a homeless
| person like a "normal person" by simply ignoring them. Unless
| there is a reason why one should start a conversation with
| another person, the majority of people just don't start any
| kind of interaction at all. And changing your behavior just
| because the person is homeless breaks the rule to treat them
| normally.
| UIUC_06 wrote:
| I guess you don't walk around with a cute, friendly dog.
|
| Normal people interact with us all the time.
|
| You might try just being friendly with people some time. It's
| only weird if you go about it in a weird way.
| iLoveOncall wrote:
| But they're very happy to talk to people. Loneliness is one
| of their main struggle most of the time.
| retrac wrote:
| I'm not sure. If someone in a nice suit came up to me and
| asked me for food because they're dizzy and haven't eaten,
| I'd be both perplexed but I'd probably actually take them and
| their problem seriously and try to help them. Call an
| ambulance or if it's just mild hypoglycemia buy them some
| candy because they forgot their wallet or whatever. I'm
| pretty sure I don't treat the homeless the same way, though
| maybe I should.
| HanaShiratori wrote:
| Well at least where I live you see people in nice clothes
| (also suits) every weekend drunk and dizzy. And no one
| gives a crap about those guys sobering up in some corner.
| retrac wrote:
| Police mostly take care of that here, for better/worse.
| Drunk tank or hospital.
| kevmo314 wrote:
| > Treat fines like payments E.g. park illegally and let yourself
| think of the (expected value of the) fine as a parking fee
|
| I love this one. Back in Chicago, I realized the rate I was
| getting parking tickets at was about the same as the rate at
| which I would otherwise pay for street parking. I also learned
| that if you pay the meter, LAZ Parking takes a huge cut, whereas
| parking fines go directly to the city so I started incurring
| parking tickets instead.
|
| Also I learned that Chicago doesn't do anything until your third
| ticket, so if you're going to leave the city, you can park for
| free for your last couple of weeks. I guess that one is a little
| more unethical.
| cgriswald wrote:
| The problem with this one is you need to be sure wherever you
| park, you aren't going to get towed. Once I learned my school
| wouldn't tow, I parked in the staff lots fairly frequently. The
| ticket * citation rate was low enough that it only cost a
| little more than student parking; but there was a lot more of
| it so it was always easy to park (and closer to my
| destination). (And, at the time, my school had over-sold
| student parking, was renovating a major student lot, _and_ had
| rented out another major lot to nearby businesses.)
| nuclearnice1 wrote:
| Speaking of ethics, what's the equilibrium here? Does it pass a
| Kantian categorical imperative?
|
| I think if everyone did this, the rate each person was taxed at
| would fall below the current rough meter equivalent amount and
| the city (and LAZ Parking) would gather less revenue.
|
| Up to you if you consider that positive or negative.
| paganel wrote:
| Not the OP, but there are some of us (I mean, I suppose I'm
| not the only one) who see paid street parking as unethical
| per se.
| matkoniecz wrote:
| > who see paid street parking as unethical per se.
|
| why?
| nuclearnice1 wrote:
| One reason might be that it's a lot of public space being
| dedicated to private purpose. Those who use public
| transport are paying tax to guard the private vehicles of
| the rich. Odd.
|
| I read somewhere that half of the space in some downtown
| areas is dedicated to infrastructure for cars. Seems like
| a lot.
| [deleted]
| bl0b wrote:
| It seems to me that if everyone did this (didn't pay the
| meter and just eat the cost of the tickets from time to
| time), the city would eventually realize it and would just
| ramp up enforcement and make bank for a while until people
| started paying the meters again. So LAZ Parking would end up
| getting their cut again and the city would be making no less
| than they are now.
|
| As a side note, I've always thought that the categorical
| imperative is as good of a rule to follow as any. But
| sometimes the 'if literally everyone behaved this way'
| thought experiment can get pretty silly, not to mention
| impossible to actually determine what would happen in such a
| case.
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| mikojan wrote:
| If the penalty for a crime is a fine, then that law only exists
| for the lower class
| cgriswald wrote:
| That depends on what the cost is to operate legally. In the
| case of parking, you might find that eating the fines is less
| expensive than paying for parking; or that they are roughly
| equal, but the fines are more convenient or have other
| positive externalities that benefit you.
| MontyCarloHall wrote:
| Which is why punitive fines ought to scale with income and/or
| wealth. Finland is famous for this; millionaires have
| incurred speeding fines in the six figures: https://www.theat
| lantic.com/business/archive/2015/03/finland...
| ByteJockey wrote:
| > Which is why punitive fines ought to scale with income
| and/or wealth
|
| That really seems like it depends on what the damage a
| particular action causes.
|
| Property destruction, for example, probably shouldn't
| scale. If I, accidentally, destroy your shoes, I need to
| buy you a new pair of shoes (and maybe a bit extra for your
| inconvenience). The goal is to make the victim whole again.
|
| For things with the potential for loss of life, the goal is
| primarily deterrence, I think that's where things make more
| sense to start scaling.
| SoftTalker wrote:
| As long as you don't park in a tow zone. Chicago is/was
| notorious for predatory towing, and it will cost you hundreds
| of dollars and hours of your time to get your car back.
| a_e_k wrote:
| Great. Now I've got Steve Goodman's "Lincoln Park Pirates"
| stuck in my head again. The streetlamps are
| on in Chicago tonight And lovers are gazing at stars
| The stores are all closing And Daley is dosing
| And the fatman's counting the cars And there's more
| cars than places to put 'em, he said But I've got
| room for them all ...
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF3q7o8Yjrg
| jl6 wrote:
| Uhm, just remember that there's usually a reason why it's
| illegal to park in some places, e.g. if it blocks an emergency
| access route.
| ryukafalz wrote:
| Or blocking a curb cut. This is endemic in my city, and can
| at times make intersections basically impassable in a
| wheelchair.
| kqr wrote:
| If you ever feel like parking outside of designated spaces,
| this is the test you should use. Walk around your car and
| ask yourself, "can a person in a wheelchair go from this
| side of my car to the other without being too
| inconvenienced?"
|
| Be particularly attentive to rough ground (cobblestone),
| curbs, puddles, lamp-posts or other obstacles.
|
| If your parking passes that test, it generally also
| accommodates the blind, bicyclists, children, etc.
|
| It's not hard to find spaces that pass the test -- which is
| also why it upsets me so when people neglect to.
| scythe wrote:
| But be aware of the garage door that doesn't look like a
| garage door. Once in SF I left my car for about 20
| minutes in Haight-Ashbury on a curb that didn't seem to
| have any particular reason to be yellow. I returned to
| find that what had seemed on first inspection to be a
| wall was in fact a very subtle gate that slid sideways,
| and a few people standing around were angry with me.
| (When I returned to the spot weeks later, there was a new
| sign.)
| kevmo314 wrote:
| I didn't park in illegal spaces, I just refused to pay the
| meter. So, no high horsing needed. :)
| demopathos wrote:
| I don't think there was any high horsing that took place or
| was implied. I recommend you don't leave comments such as
| that one you just left since it comes across as rude.
| swayvil wrote:
| Now that's some high horsing about high horsing.
| bfgoodrich wrote:
| It is _always_ unethical to decide that punitive fines are okay
| because you can afford them. It is a profound sense of personal
| entitlement.
| hooande wrote:
| Hire experts. You are definitely allowed to do this, for
| everything. Even your day job.
|
| If you're starting a project or doing something complicated for
| the first time (ie, buying a house), pay someone to walk you
| through the basics and answer a list of questions. It's often
| cheaper than you think. The hardest part is finding experts who
| are willing to do one off work for a few hundred or thousand
| dollars.
| version_five wrote:
| > The hardest part is finding experts who are willing to do one
| off work for a few hundred or thousand dollars.
|
| In my limited experience, I find that there are tons of people
| willing to "help" me with tasks I don't care about, whereas
| it's very hard to find people who can actually provide high
| value assistance. For example, setting up my company, I called
| an accounting firm. The guy they put me in touch with had no
| real input re the specific tax and situational questions I had,
| and wanted to sell me bookkeeping software (while telling me to
| call revenue Canada - our IRS - and ask them about my
| questions.). That seems to be the norm. Same is true with
| financial advice, legal advice, travel agents, all sorts of
| things.
|
| Understandably, people have built businesses that "productized"
| something, and are focused on selling that, because of the low
| marginal cost. It makes it very hard to actually get expert
| advice
| throwaway_1928 wrote:
| "A star programmer fired for outsourcing his own job has
| learned a harsh lesson: exploitation is a job for employers,
| not staff"
|
| https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/17/sacked...
| [deleted]
| abetusk wrote:
| This is really great. I especially like the idea of online
| tutoring (for languages and other stuff) which looks to be a nice
| cheap option [0].
|
| One piece of advice that I think is actually quite bad, or at
| least I've had extremely bad experiences with, is asking people
| for something. I've often cold-emailed artists, programmers and
| other hobbyists asking them to make their work libre/free
| (artists CC-BY/CC-BY-SA/CC0, programmers GPL, hobbyists some type
| of OSH or CERN license) and I don't think I've ever gotten a
| positive response. The only exception is when I haven't read the
| documentation in depth and the project is already libre/free.
|
| Most times, asking artists or others to put their work under a
| libre/free license, even if it's decades old, is met with
| outright hostility. I usually try to couch the "ask" in passive
| language and signal understanding if they don't want to but, from
| my limited experience, this only seems to make people angrier.
|
| I'm sure there are better ways that I could ask and I'm sure I'm
| framing it in some way that triggers anger but I also don't think
| there's an actual good way to ask that from someone to try and
| get them to put their work under a libre/free license.
|
| Talking to people in person is another matter and that I've had
| good success with, but asking online, through email or otherwise,
| often ends in them ridiculing me and calling me names.
|
| [0] https://www.italki.com/
| swatcoder wrote:
| > One piece of advice that I think is actually quite bad, or at
| least I've had extremely bad experiences with, is asking people
| for something. I've often cold-emailed artists, programmers and
| other hobbyists asking them to make their work libre/free
| (artists CC-BY/CC-BY-SA/CC0, programmers GPL, hobbyists some
| type of OSH or CERN license) and I don't think I've ever gotten
| a positive response.
|
| In case you're interested in constructive feedback, what you're
| doing here sounds more like _advocating_ for someone to provide
| some social good, but couching it in passive language.
|
| With you not knowing these people, the ask itself is extremely
| presumptuous and the approach you describe of using passive
| language likely lands on them as a _passive aggressive_
| maneuver. Many people find that that approach to be
| manipulative and offensive.
|
| If you'd just like personal use for free, you should ask for
| that directly and maybe share why that would be helpful for
| you, so that they can approach it as an act of sympathy or
| charity.
|
| If you are invested in the principles of free/libre works, then
| you should advocate for that directly explain why the principle
| is so important to _you_ that you'd engage with a stranger
| about it.
|
| In both cases, you're still likely to get a lot of closed doors
| and hostile responses, but you would at least be doing these
| people the kindness of being direct about what _you_ want and
| why _you_ want it.
| abetusk wrote:
| Thanks for the feedback.
|
| I suspected as much in terms of the passive language being
| perceived as passive aggressive. I didn't want to come off as
| aggressive as most of the time I really like the person or
| their work and I certainly don't want to strong arm them into
| doing something they don't want to do.
|
| I think your advice is good to try and personalize the story
| and be direct about it. I don't have any illusions that this
| will be successful but at least it won't fail in the same
| way.
|
| That being said, I can imagine an organization that promotes
| libre/free work making a blanket email that does just that
| (I've even read a few myself). The reason is clear because
| it's the organizations mission and, in that context, direct
| language would be preferred.
|
| Food for though. I do wonder if there is any strategy that
| would work.
| swatcoder wrote:
| > I do wonder if there is any strategy that would work.
|
| You'd up the odds a lot if you offered to pay them to
| relicense the work.
|
| It would say a lot that you're willing to invest in these
| principles you care about, and would make it easier for
| them to quantify the change to what they likely see as an
| asset portfolio.
|
| What's currently a charitable plea becomes a philanthropic
| negotiation.
| abetusk wrote:
| In some cases I've offered to pay with the same outcome.
| Sometimes the offer to pay came after the initial email,
| other times it was in the form of cryptocurrency and
| others, I'm pretty sure, it was offered initially but,
| regardless, all of these cases might have had the framing
| of the offer poison the interaction from the outset.
|
| My next experiment is to frame it in terms of a purely
| business transaction with the condition that the work
| released under a libre/free license, making sure not to
| use any of the passive language I've used before, etc.
| The issue is always understanding what a fair price is
| and, for my own personal standards, make sure the artist
| understands what kind of terms they're agreeing to (the
| equivalent of "informed consent").
| marcinzm wrote:
| Artists get asked to do free or barely paid work all the time
| in my experience. Often because the person asking doesn't want
| to pay a fair rate for it. Often the person doesn't take a
| direct no and keeps nagging them. When someone nags you about
| something for the five thousandth time in your life you tend to
| be pretty pissy about it. It's a necessary defense mechanism to
| preserve ones mental well being.
| leephillips wrote:
| Asking for something is not the same as asking for free stuff.
| It's especially not the same as asking someone who is trying to
| make a living creating things to just start giving them away.
| It's not surprising to me that this kind of suggestion is met
| with hostility.
| abetusk wrote:
| I have enough of a model of people to understand why there's
| pushback but at the same time the leap from "asking for
| something" to "asking something for everyone" doesn't seem
| like a big one.
|
| I also find it confusing how people can use clips from
| movies, songs etc. not in the public domain or use public
| domain works outright but not see how contributing to the
| commons benefits society.
|
| I appreciate your comment but my feeling is that a closer
| understanding is that the overton window is such that fair
| use, public domain and old work enriching the commons are so
| taken for granted that people have forgotten how important
| they are.
| Mixtape wrote:
| Old thread from 2020:
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25513713
| nonrandomstring wrote:
| And please keep reposting it, because every time I read this I
| see something I missed before and think "yeah cool, I might try
| that". Also the suggestions in the comments are great, maybe we
| should make it a regular feature and collect "best of things
| you're allowed to do".
| SoftTalker wrote:
| > If you're hiring a grad student
|
| Be careful with this one. If the student is here on a visa, they
| are not allowed to have outside employment. Many do have "under
| the table" income of course, because graduate stipends are
| poverty-level at most schools, but it could get them in trouble.
| andai wrote:
| >Note that you can replace "hire" or "buy" with "barter for" or
| "find a DIY guide to" nearly everywhere below. E.g. you can
| clean the bathroom in exchange for your housemate doing a
| couple hours research for you.
|
| I've been wondering about this. A quick Google reveals that
| barter is indeed taxable. This specific example might be silly,
| but would it be taxed according to the market rate for toilet
| cleaning services?
| have_faith wrote:
| If I only barter how do I make money to pay taxes?
| hn_version_0023 wrote:
| Doesn't matter-- none of us are allowed to opt-out of the
| system.
| skykooler wrote:
| Pay taxes in goats or whatever?
| passivate wrote:
| Hmm, are _you_ on the hook if they don 't disclose this?
| codingdave wrote:
| Of verifying that your employee can legally work? Yes, I
| think so - I'm not in HR, but is that not the specific reason
| they always take 1 or 2 forms of ID and fill out paperwork
| when starting a new job? One form to prove your identity, and
| the other to prove you can legally work? (Or a passport for
| both)
| passivate wrote:
| I was not thinking this to be a payroll position. Just a
| consulting / one-off transaction. In those situations, I
| haven't heard of any verification of immigration
| documents... maybe its common, I don't know.
| jaqalopes wrote:
| I'll upvote this every time it's posted. Not a perfect list by
| any means, but people (read: me) can benefit a lot from being
| reminded of this stuff from time to time.
| nanomonkey wrote:
| > Live off your savings while trying something new
|
| Warning about this, I've been doing this for the last five years,
| and it's made re-entering the job market difficult. I've spent
| the time working on Open Source software and doing what I love,
| but it seems to raise a lot of red flags to potential employers.
| So document all of your crazy adventures so that you have
| something to point to. Or start your own _thing_ along the way.
| k__ wrote:
| After I did this, I didn't even want to reenter the job market.
| anonporridge wrote:
| This is the real danger.
|
| Not that employers wouldn't want to hire you, but that you've
| tasted too much freedom and your brain will never put up with
| the bullshit that is modern corporate employment ever again.
| kilroy123 wrote:
| Too real, after 2 1/2 years. :-/
| ShamelessC wrote:
| For what it's worth, I did this for about a year with ML when
| the pandemic hit and was able to get a job paying double my old
| salary. Not always going to be the case, of course.
| em-bee wrote:
| when i do that, i list "freelancer" as employment, and i
| mention all the projects that i have worked on during that
| time.
| vaylian wrote:
| I really think that CVs (i.e. chronological listings of your
| career steps) should not be required for hiring. It is
| undignifying that we have to lay bare where life has taken us,
| just so that we can get a job.
|
| Instead, people should be allowed to list experiences that are
| relevant to the position. And then it is also fine to say, that
| one has worked for X years on something. But anything that is
| not related to the job should not be necessary to share.
| gabereiser wrote:
| Anytime someone asks me why I've "jumped around so many
| places" or held so many jobs I simply reply back that "Life
| for me is very different from you. I have no house to pay
| for, I have no family to care for, I have no ties to where I
| am. I follow my passions but never leave a project unfinished
| and undocumented."
|
| I'm honest about what I did during any lengthy leave of work.
|
| I've experienced no company loyalty so I give none. It's a
| contract, an agreement, nothing more. I always will emphasize
| my talents and skills and explain how that fits into the role
| I'm seeking. 90% of the time this works but occasionally
| there's someone who thinks it's career suicide to leave a job
| before 10 years.
|
| They are mostly boomers.
| CuriousSkeptic wrote:
| But you are allowed to do that!
|
| Having been on the receiving end of a lot of CVs I can't say
| that I expect any particular structure.
|
| A CV is just like "technical specifications". As long as it
| honesty tries to convey wether you are worth my time to
| evaluate for a particular role you can structure it anyway
| you like.
| vaylian wrote:
| > But you are allowed to do that!
|
| Things you are allowed to do +1
|
| Thanks. Even though you are the first person who tells me
| this. Plenty of career workshops say the opposite.
| cecilpl2 wrote:
| Whenever you think to yourself that you have to do things
| a certain way, it's good to remember that it's really all
| just a bunch of people on the other side.
|
| Hiring managers and recruiters are just people, looking
| for other people to give jobs to. However you convince
| them to do it is what works.
| ajb wrote:
| Yes, you are allowed to do that. You do occasionally run
| into someone who checks for gaps - someone asked me about a
| gap 20 years ago recently. Although I don't know if they
| actually cared or just had engineer's checking brain
| engaged. If they expect you to be that vanilla you may not
| want to work with them - remember the point of a CV, just
| like the rest of the process, is to maximise the chance of
| getting a placement you match, not just maximise the chance
| of getting to the next step. Causing people you wouldn't
| want to work with to filter you out is a plus.
| osolo wrote:
| I wouldn't do that. Let me explain this from the
| perspective of a hiring manager. For a compelling
| position, it's not unheard of to get 100 resumes per one
| spot (the ratio for my positions about 1:85). That's a
| lot of resumes to go through. Often you're hiring
| multiple people, so there are literally hundreds of
| resumes!
|
| You can't possibly interview everyone who applied, so you
| have to filter. Sometimes it's easy (eg you're hiring a
| senior but the candidate has only 2 yrs experience) but
| that's rare. You have to develop more filters, or you'll
| drown.
|
| If I see a resume with a recent gap, it presents a
| question: What's up? Why was this person not employed?
| There are many reasons, many not good. So I'll pass,
| there are many other resumes without this problem.
|
| Doing your own thing doesn't mean there needs to be a
| gap. Write what you did! Call it a Startup or Startup
| Explorations. Talk about the idea, the tech, the UX, the
| marketing, all of it. This will show that you're a self
| starter, a problem solver. Leaving the years empty
| doesn't show any of that.
|
| Let me leave you with this pragmatic thought: We can
| argue here if chronological resumes are good or bad, and
| what we should have instead. In the real world, that
| doesn't matter because everybody else is submitting a
| resume, and you want yours to stand out for the better,
| not for worse.
| gabereiser wrote:
| If a gap causes you to pass, I'll pass too... thanks.
|
| I work to live, not live to work.
| joeman1000 wrote:
| What's up? Maybe they just needed a break and/or they've
| been ill or burnt out. This doesn't mean they're useless.
| kilroy123 wrote:
| Eh, I did this. I fucked off for 2 1/2 years to travel the
| world. All I "built" in all that time, was a silly art
| newsletter (https://randomdailyart.com/).
|
| It was fine, I went back to work over a year ago and made more
| money than I ever have before.
| lumost wrote:
| If you do this, its smart to create an LLC which you front your
| work with. Employers may not be bullish on hiring from small
| shops, but it should avoid red flags.
| jancsika wrote:
| You can also email most of the living technologists who are
| discussed regularly on this list. (At least the ones that aren't
| built out of an enormous PR team.)
|
| They typically write back thoughtful responses.
|
| Not giving any examples so they don't get 1000x low effort
| cryptocurrency pitches.
| dubswithus wrote:
| Also not giving any examples because they often give low-effort
| negative responses (i.e. judge 10,000 startups through the lens
| of the one crypto they know about).
| jancsika wrote:
| There aren't 10,000 living technologists who are discussed
| regularly on HN. There are perhaps a few dozen.
|
| And I'll continue to not give any examples since I'm
| apparently already responding to an unprompted low-key pitch
| about a 1 in a 10,000 cryptocurrency opportunity.
|
| Edit: oops, I misunderstood your low-key pitch. It's even
| more fascinating-- these technologists could be missing out
| on anywhere from 0 to 9,999 new crypto opportunities that
| innovate well beyond the single one you think everyone
| already knows about. Still, I think I'll pass.
| dubswithus wrote:
| psyc wrote:
| They could judge through the lens of 500 crypto projects and
| the response would be the same. If I know a company sells via
| multi-level marketing, do I really need to wait around to
| hear what the product is? _Really?_
| dubswithus wrote:
| But they haven't. So they can't. That's the whole point of
| my comment. Being uninformed is still being uninformed.
| troon-lover wrote:
| starwind wrote:
| > Surgery for appearance or comfort
|
| I'm kind of a sweaty guy so I got miradry in my arm pits. They
| lasered out something like 80% of my sweat glands under my arms
| and it makes a big difference. I don't sit somewhere feeling
| absolutely disgusting worried that I stink. You can do it for
| your hands too if you have sweaty palms. Cost me like $2000.
|
| I'm going to start some hair treatments here soon because it's
| getting thinner than I like up top
| d_burfoot wrote:
| > Ask people out on dates
|
| You're actually very much _not_ allowed to do this in many
| professional situations. Unfortunately the line between when it's
| okay and not okay is illegible to many people.
| notjustanymike wrote:
| Tell me about it, I've been married to my product manager for 7
| years now.
| schwartzworld wrote:
| It's hard to think of many situations when it would be
| completely unacceptable to ask someone once as long as you
| respect their answer. The exceptions are situations with a
| skewed power dynamic, i.e. a boss hitting on an underling.
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