[HN Gopher] Group of white and Asian parents sue BPS over exam s...
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       Group of white and Asian parents sue BPS over exam school
       admissions policy
        
       Author : car_analogy
       Score  : 27 points
       Date   : 2022-06-10 21:37 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | mistrial9 wrote:
       | I definitely have a horse in this race, and I will say only, that
       | it really grates on my nerves to use race-quota to amend past
       | race-quota errors. It lays bare the unresolved and perhaps
       | unresolveable double-talk of bureaucrats serving a charter that
       | found its place by promising "real equality of opportunity" to
       | everyone, only to cave in, paid off, pass the buck, save face,
       | convenient solution your way into re-appointment; not-solved and
       | IMO more than half of everyone involved has no time for the high
       | ideals that were the founding premise here.
        
         | scarface74 wrote:
         | Yes because test scores are a good indication. My older son
         | didn't make the minimum score to get into the college he
         | wanted. $1200 and 12 one on one test prep classes with a
         | teacher (not his teacher), did he magically get smarter or more
         | qualified or was it that we had the means to pay for the test
         | prep?
         | 
         | I had the highest SAT score in my school and the second highest
         | of all graduating seniors in my city - not bragging the entire
         | graduating class in the city was around 1000 and none of the
         | schools were especially highly ranked.
         | 
         | Do you think having a mother that was not only a math teacher
         | who had me doing algebra in the 6th grade (not forced it on me,
         | I just enjoyed it) and did SAT training after school had
         | anything to do with ig
        
         | tootie wrote:
         | You're not wrong but the parents are still being part of the
         | problem. Not necessarily just the few party to this lawsuit but
         | anyone who views exclusive admissions as the way to get a leg
         | up on all the other kids. The solution is to make high quality
         | education less scarce and that will come from parents and
         | policy makers improving the schools where they live instead.
         | Going in to the debate as a zero sum competition just makes
         | everyone worse off.
        
           | andreilys wrote:
           | Education as a prestige/status signaler is zero sum.
           | 
           | If everybody had a Harvard degree, then it would lose its
           | value.
           | 
           | Which is why they're so adamant about not counting online
           | degrees earned through EDX as "real degrees" because it would
           | devalue their status signaling education.
           | 
           | I would argue we already have high quality education access.
           | Go on YouTube, coursera or any other platform and you can
           | find incredible resources.
           | 
           | What we don't have a lot of is high paying/high status jobs,
           | and as a result we're put through a brutal tournament model,
           | where one of the games consists of getting into a high-status
           | college.
        
           | SpicyLemonZest wrote:
           | Unfortunately, I think that there really is a fundamental
           | conflict at the bottom here. One of the key things these kind
           | of exam schools promise - I'd argue _the_ key thing - is an
           | environment where all of your kids ' peers will respect and
           | value education. We can and should ensure that everyone's
           | schools get the equipment, teachers, etc. that they need, but
           | any non-selective school is going to have to include a lot of
           | kids who don't care much about academics.
        
         | JumpCrisscross wrote:
         | > _to use race-quota to amend past race-quota errors_
         | 
         | Legally, this isn't what's going on. Affirmative action has
         | only been found constitutional when it's minimally implemented
         | to further classroom diversity [1]. The benefits of a diverse
         | student body, not curing past harms, are key to the test.
         | (Also, minimising side effects.)
         | 
         | [1] https://www.oyez.org/cases/2002/02-241
        
         | 99_00 wrote:
         | > bureaucrats
         | 
         | BPS is not overseen by any elected representative?
        
       | mhb wrote:
       | It's no mystery what's going on here, but isn't there an argument
       | to be made that the race of the litigants is incidental and
       | shouldn't be in the headline since the lawsuit is about zip
       | codes?
        
         | 99_00 wrote:
         | >isn't there an argument to be made that the race of the
         | litigants is incidental and shouldn't be in the headline since
         | the lawsuit is about zip codes?
         | 
         | If you believe that, you are free to make the argument.
        
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