[HN Gopher] Douglas Hofstadter: Artificial neural networks today...
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       Douglas Hofstadter: Artificial neural networks today are not
       conscious
        
       Author : tosh
       Score  : 37 points
       Date   : 2022-06-10 13:16 UTC (9 hours ago)
        
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       | shreyshnaccount wrote:
       | I don't think anyone who knows what's going on has claimed
       | otherwise... Or if they have idk about that
        
         | kgwgk wrote:
         | The hype side: https://www.economist.com/by-
         | invitation/2022/06/09/artificia...
        
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       | daniel-cussen wrote:
       | That's true, they're not concious.
       | 
       | But they're not properly contained either.
        
       | stevesimmons wrote:
       | Duplicate of the thread at
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31689840
        
       | witheld wrote:
       | One of them is it gonna think about itself, someday. But probably
       | not on a non-analog computer.
        
         | Communitivity wrote:
         | The first computer to think about itself will also probably not
         | be a 100% non-organic computer, but either a 100% Wetware
         | computer, or more likely a hybrid. A wetware computer is a
         | computer made with organic parts. There are efforts underway to
         | create organic computer components, and they've made slow but
         | non-zero progress.
         | 
         | Two companies working in this area are Cortical Labs [1], and
         | Koniku [2]. I am associated with neither.
         | 
         | Two past efforts I've seen are a design for a computer using a
         | fungal network [3], and organic neural networks in fabrics [4].
         | A lot of work on chaotic computer, such as organic computers,
         | was pioneered by William Ditto, at Georgia Institute of
         | Technology [5].
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         | [1] https://corticallabs.com/
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         | [2] https://koniku.com/
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         | [3]
         | https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsfs.2018.002...
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         | [4] https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aba1178
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         | [5] https://labs.sciences.ncsu.edu/appliedchaoslab/william-
         | ditto...
        
       | mirekrusin wrote:
       | The easy way to answer this question is to plug tiny extension to
       | human brain so it grows connections. If it takes over parts of
       | the brain, just iterate on step 1. You can cut off wetware parts
       | as step 2 I guess. Are you going to be left with normal person
       | that transferred to cyborg?
        
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