[HN Gopher] A Road to Common Lisp (2018)
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A Road to Common Lisp (2018)
Author : jsfcoding
Score : 62 points
Date : 2022-06-06 20:13 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| worder0 wrote:
| Has anyone used the "Land of Lisp" book, or Exercism.org to learn
| Common Lisp? Any other fun alternatives for learning lisp?
| nanna wrote:
| I've tried a few different books, including Land of Lisp, PCL,
| SICP, Chassel's Introduction to Emacs Lisp, but what I'd
| recommend head over shoulders above them all is buying a copy
| of Touretzky's Common Lisp: A Gentle introduction to Symbolic
| Computation. It's wonderfully thought through, really helped me
| finally grok elementary stuff like what a cons cell is, exactly
| how apostrophes function, what asymbol is, and a lot more. It's
| not meant to be comprehensive, it completely leaves aside CLOS,
| but it's left me with a damn solid foundation for working with
| Lisp.
| vindarel wrote:
| It's a great article. Since then, we have more tools and
| resources so we can enhance it:
|
| ## Pick and Editor
|
| The article is right that you can start with anything. Just
| `load` your .lisp file in the REPL. But even in Vim, Sublime
| Text, and Atom [and also VSCode] you can get pretty good to very
| good support. See https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-
| cookbook/editor-support.ht... (also Lem, a CL editor that works
| for other languages, Jupyter notebooks, Eclipse (basic support)
| and LispWorks (proprietary, advanced graphical tools).
|
| > if anyone is interested in making a Common Lisp LSP language
| server, I think it would be a hugely useful contribution to the
| community.
|
| Here's a new project used for VSCode: https://github.com/nobody-
| famous/alive-lsp There's also https://github.com/cxxxr/cl-lsp
|
| ## Other resources
|
| I already linked to it, but the Cookbook (to which I contribute)
| is a useful reference to see code and get things done, quickly.
| https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/
|
| While I'm at it, my first shameless plug: after my tutorials
| written for the Cookbook and my blog, I wanted to do more.
| Explain, structure, demo real-world Common Lisp. I'm creating
| this course (there are some free videos):
| https://www.udemy.com/course/common-lisp-programming/?coupon...
| (ongoing -50% coupon for June).
|
| ## Web Development
|
| See the Cookbook, and the awesome list (see below). We have many
| libraries, you still have to code for things taken for granted in
| other big frameworks. I have some articles on my blog.
|
| We have new very cool kids in town, especially CLOG, that is like
| a GUI for the browser. Check it out:
| https://github.com/rabbibotton/clog
|
| ## Game Development
|
| See again the awesome-cl list. And the Kandria game, in the
| making, all done in CL: https://kandria.com/ (it just got
| accepted for a Swiss grant, congratulations).
|
| ## Unit Testing
|
| We have even more test frameworks since 2018! And some are
| actually good O_o
|
| ## Projects
|
| To create a full-featured CL project in one command, look no
| further, here's my (shameless plug again) project skeleton:
| https://github.com/vindarel/cl-cookieproject you'll find the
| equivalent for a web project, lighter alternatives in the README,
| and a demo video:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFc513MJjos&feature=youtu.be
|
| ## Libraries
|
| He doesn't mention this list, what a shame:
| https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl => the CL ecosystem is
| probably bigger than you thought. Sincerely, only recently, great
| packages appeared: CLOG, cl-gserver (actors concurrency), 40ants-
| doc, official CL support on OVH through Platform.sh, great editor
| add-ons (Slite test runner, Slime-star modules...), Coalton 1.0
| (Haskell-like ML on top of CL), April v1.0 (APL in CL), a Qt 5
| "library" (still hard to install), many more... (Clingon CLI args
| parser, Lish, a Lisp Shell in the making, the Consfigurator
| deployment service, generic-cl)...
|
| His list is OK, I'd pick another HTTP client and another JSON
| library (new ones since 2018 too), but that's a detail.
|
| BTW, see also a list of companies:
| https://github.com/azzamsa/awesome-lisp-companies/
|
| ## Community
|
| We are also on Discord: https://discord.gg/hhk46CE and on Libera
| Chat.
|
| ## Implementations
|
| CLASP (CL for C++ on LLVM) reached its v1.0, congrats.
| https://github.com/clasp-developers/clasp/releases/tag/1.0.0 More
| are in the making...
|
| We got dynamic library delivery tool for SBCL (sbcl-librarian),
| more good stuff is coming...
|
| Allegro CL (proprietary) got a new version running in the
| browser...
|
| Crazy Lisp world <3
| gjvc wrote:
| Steve Losh is a great writer.
| the-alchemist wrote:
| I was exposed to Common Lisp in college in a "Programming
| Language Concepts" class, almost 20 years ago, and it didn't
| "click". I got no help or assistance or explanation, and this was
| pre-youtube and Google so it was hard to find an answer to "why
| is this happening?"
|
| But I gave Clojure a try despite the bad taste in my mouth Common
| Lisp left, and it was def worth it.
|
| To try it out real quick: https://tryclojure.org/
| gleenn wrote:
| I also remember learning Scheme and having it be a real mind
| bender. Scheme/Racket is great, but I think Clojure being more
| opinionated and being immutable by default is a huge
| improvement in terms of understanding larger projects. Also,
| their parallel computation and mutex constructs are some of the
| easiest to understand AND easiest to guarantee you did it
| right. This is going to continue becoming more and more
| important given the huge rise in CPU core counts both on
| desktops and in servers.
| jonjacky wrote:
| Previously, 92 comments:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17852194
|
| One comment there said, "This is a godsend. Probably the best
| introductory article on Lisp to date."
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