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Spotify podcasters are making $18k a month with nothing but white
noise
Author : Michelangelo11
Score : 301 points
Date : 2022-06-05 11:55 UTC (11 hours ago)
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| HPsquared wrote:
| I wonder if they ever get copyright strikes.
| tartoran wrote:
| There's plenty of white noise on radio bands between stations, FM
| or AM, it's got plenty of flavors. Any old radio would do.
| throwaway15908 wrote:
| Are you sure, there is no signal in background radiation?
| Someone should check.
| digitalsankhara wrote:
| Sure, it's possible but there are plenty of gaps where its
| random noise - but even a very very weak signal would be
| swamped with noise if the radio is in FM mode.
|
| Pure radio static is the sound of the universe! Very
| frequency dependent - the higher up in frequency (or shorter
| the wavelength) the more of it is cosmic in nature - point a
| microwave radio dish towards/away from the sun and hear the
| difference, or even down towards the ground to hear the
| sky/earth noise. [1]
|
| I personally find a clear spot between military submarine
| stations in the low frequency 10-60 KHz range quite relaxing
| to listen to as it's a mix of random noise and thunder
| static.
|
| Go VLF or ELF for earth sounds;
|
| https://theinspireproject.org/default.asp?contentID=17
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_noise
| SnowHill9902 wrote:
| Leaving a fan on in your bedroom is actually an accepted medical
| prescription.
| cheschire wrote:
| Except in Korea, where it's seen as life threatening.
| https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fan-death/
| prepend wrote:
| I avoid Spotify as a podcast app because of their ad injection
| system. I think that any white noise apps would be super bad with
| loud ads stuck into random spots.
| rockbruno wrote:
| Why not just pay for it? I understand being annoyed by the free
| product in its regular use cases, but wanting the free version
| of the app to give you a flawless experience from something as
| specific as playing white noise during the night evokes
| something in me that I cannot really put a word on.
| lancesells wrote:
| Doesn't Spotify put ads in premium as well? Not sure how
| legit this site is: https://www.pocket-lint.com/smart-
| home/news/spotify/144139-h...
|
| I think of Spotify as an ad company and not a music service
| or podcast service:
| https://techcrunch.com/2022/01/06/spotify-introduces-a-
| new-a...
|
| Apple Music seems to be headed this way as well because
| trillions just aren't enough:
| https://www.macworld.com/article/707588/apple-music-ads-
| stat...
| karaterobot wrote:
| I don't listen to podcasts on Spotify, but I believe they
| insert ads into podcasts even if you have a premium
| subscription. At least they used to.
|
| https://community.spotify.com/t5/Other-Podcasts-Partners-
| etc...
| phatfish wrote:
| Well, there are ads in the premium version Podcasts too (they
| seem to be only on a few "Spotify Exclusive" ones that they
| threw cash at for the moment).
|
| I can put up with it as there is maybe one or two I listen to
| regularly with Spotify ads, but if they go much further it's
| a solid reason to drop the Premium subscription.
|
| If the white noise is in the Music section you will be ad
| free though.
| prepend wrote:
| Because the apple podcast app is free and, while pretty bed,
| gives me the same podcasts without ads.
|
| It's not that I want the free version of Spotify to do
| something, I would rather use other tools that are free or
| already paid for.
|
| Separately from this, charging a monthly fee for a white
| noise app seems like a horrible value and something that
| everyone should avoid and just use an algorithmic source with
| a one time fee or is just free. I know that people are free
| to spend on whatever they like but it seems we're far into
| "fool and his money are soon parted" territory.
| moneywoes wrote:
| Are there ads injected in podcasts as well? I thought it was
| just music? I still get adds clock around when using it for
| podcasts though like pop ups
| TheOtherHobbes wrote:
| So basically crypto, but for audio.
| seydor wrote:
| Not anymore ...
| sfblah wrote:
| Presumably this also means they're consuming massive amounts of
| bandwidth (for audio, anyway), since it's not compressible.
| Pretty funny!
| ineedasername wrote:
| At first I thought this was going to be some sort of scam, but
| was pleasantly surprised to find it was using the platform for
| such an unanticipated reason.
| JaDogg wrote:
| Shameless plug If you want to run it in a desktop (console app) -
| https://github.com/JaDogg/noisebox
| yalogin wrote:
| By definition a white noise podcast cannot play ads. So these
| have to purely paid podcasts. It's interesting to learn that
| there are quite a few people that want a different sound or a
| variety of sounds every night to sleep. That is because I am
| guessing that is what the podcast provides of value.
| cddotdotslash wrote:
| The article literally says that they use pre-roll ads to avoid
| disruption.
| ZeroGravitas wrote:
| A super nerdy, customisable noise generator:
| https://mynoise.net/noiseMachines.php
|
| And they have a spotify channel:
| https://open.spotify.com/artist/1gRJBUyCeihBrgcCtDdEfv
| michaelcampbell wrote:
| Enough +1's here from me too; I even donate. Great selection,
| not streaming, wonderful UI.
| i_like_apis wrote:
| MyNoise has a great app that I have used for years. Very good.
| eatbitseveryday wrote:
| Don't forget to donate!
| zimpenfish wrote:
| +1 for mynoise. Extremely handy for public transport, etc.
| brandonmenc wrote:
| +1 - I have had this app running on my phone near my head while
| I sleep for many years.
| Andrew_nenakhov wrote:
| I wonder if one can copyright the white noise and bash everyone
| else with copyright violation by means of Content ID, demanding
| royalty payments from them...
| mjfl wrote:
| just white noise, no colored noise?
| [deleted]
| hp48fan wrote:
| Its probably pink noise. (In fact, it's physically impossible
| it is white, you can only get arbitrarily close ;))
| [deleted]
| agomez314 wrote:
| There's something ironic in being surrounded by so much noise
| that you listen to "noiseless" noise.
| tenebrisalietum wrote:
| Wait until you discover there's a noise music genre.
| shard wrote:
| There's artists like Merzbow, but I find his music non-
| condusive for sleep.
| FollowingTheDao wrote:
| Sounds like a healthy economy!
| RGamma wrote:
| "Colored noise NFTs now worth $100M"
| Ansil849 wrote:
| Yes, there are some very popular white and ambient noise casts on
| Spotify. Just like with every other genre, however, for every one
| creator that's extremely profitable and successful, there are
| thousands who are not. So if your takeaway is 'huh, I should go
| throw up some generated noise on Anchor/Spotify', don't expect to
| make any kind of money from it.
|
| This is as true for white noise as it it for any other genre, so
| I genuinely don't see the newsworthiness here, other than it's
| treated as a revelation that people like white noise (for an
| array of reasons).
| 1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote:
| The "newsworthiness" is promotion of Spotify.
|
| This is how many "tech" companies that sell advertising
| services promote their websites. Like a lottery. They do not
| have to pay out to every person who submits user-generated
| content,1 but if they pay out to a small number they can use
| those examples, "winners", to draw others in.
|
| Ideally the "tech" company only wants a limited number of
| "viral" pages so as to maximise the reach of advertising via
| those pages. Even if there are 10,000 pages serving white
| noise, the "tech" company may actively funnel visitors to only
| a small number, creating ideal conditions for maximum
| advertising reach.2 (And probably excluding many interesting
| pages as a result.3) As alluded to in the parent comment, most
| pages will get too little traffic to generate significant
| advertising reach and will not pay out "$18K a month".
|
| 1. As with lotteries, there are odds. But unlike lotteries,
| there is no requirement to publish them. Moreover, the
| "lottery" here is non-transparent. Traffic could be manipulated
| by the "tech" company behind-the-scenes and the public would
| never know the details.
|
| 2. Of course, the company can claim it does not actively
| manipulate traffic, e.g., through search and/or
| "recommendations", but rather computers do, through
| "algorithms", "AI", "magic" or whatever euphemism they choose
| for the decision-making and computer programming that their
| employees perform.
|
| 3. Anecdote: Some of the best YouTube and SoundCloud pages I
| have found, by accessing these websites without using a popular
| web browser, have very low view numbers. Friends are often
| intrigued with how I found them. It appears others are getting
| funneled to the viral crap.
| MisterBastahrd wrote:
| Oh boy. I can't wait for the white noise copyright lawsuits that
| are sure to pop up over the next few years.
| havblue wrote:
| I had an annoying experience attempting to play white noise on an
| echo speaker for the kids recently: Alexa wouldn't play white
| noise without an Amazon music premium account. It kept prompting
| me to pay for the premium service.
|
| Granted I'm pretty sure I can get it to play white noise on a
| different music service but I think it's ridiculous that they
| would charge for noise.
| timrichard wrote:
| I use noise before sleeping due to some mild tinnitus. I tried
| the Alexa/Spotify approach for a while, but didn't like the
| gaps between the tracks or anything else that would make me
| take notice of the background sound.
|
| I ended up repurposing an old Android tablet hooked up to a
| cheap USB powered speaker bar through the headphone jack of the
| tablet. It runs the White Noise app, and I go for sea/waves
| types of sound. I keep the tablet offline in airplane mode with
| a very short display-off setting. The sound can loop
| continuously, or you can set it to switch off after a certain
| time.
|
| It's been really great every night for the last few years. I
| did research some sort of sleep machine box on Amazon, but it's
| surprisingly difficult to find something that doesn't want to
| shine bright status LEDs into your darkened bedroom, or other
| annoying things.
| PenguinCoder wrote:
| Under capitalism, anything they can extract money for, they
| will.
| prepend wrote:
| I mean, this applies under all other economic systems too. I
| think no system removes human or organizational greed.
|
| So your comment seems odd to me. What other economic systems
| would prevent app makers from extracting as much money as
| they possibly can?
| iaaan wrote:
| Systems that don't use money? Systems with a lot of
| regulations? Use your imagination.
| prepend wrote:
| What systems don't use money? What systems regulate the
| types of apps on phones and PCs?
|
| I'm using my imagination but outside of Star Trek and
| other sci-fi, I'm drawing a blank.
|
| Are there any present day, earth economic systems that
| would result in a different outcome?
|
| BTW, Spotify is Swedish and they are closer to socialism
| than capitalism.
|
| So the comment I replied to would be as accurate it it
| said "humans" or something instead of capitalist.
| honkler wrote:
| you bought alexa, what else did you expect?
| swader999 wrote:
| This is a symptom of the popularity of the open office concept.
| vsskanth wrote:
| Has anyone figured out a free or one time payment way to get
| white noise on Amazon Echo ? It's such a pain that I have to make
| a looping playlist with white noise and program it into a
| routine. It mostly works but not reliable
| midislack wrote:
| Neat.
| chevman wrote:
| We got a Dohm when my son was born. They generate the noise
| mechanically and are super soothing:
|
| https://www.amazon.com/Marpac-Classic-White-Noise-Machine/dp...
|
| Realized after we got it that it's what many of our massage
| therapists have used over the years in their offices.
|
| My son's is 8 years old and going strong, used every night for
| peaceful sleep :)
| imjared wrote:
| I just bought one a week ago to deal with noisy neighbors.
| Can't believe I waited so long. It's also nice to have on a
| lower setting during the day to drown out general city
| annoyances
| drorco wrote:
| Living close to a noisy road, I play white noise on Spotify every
| night. Usually though I just go with a playlist or one/few
| particular tracks running in a loop.
|
| Why would anyone go for a podcast rather than a playlist/track?
|
| I also wonder if Spotify somehow adjust the earnings of these
| creators, as obviously I don't actually listen to their white
| noise for the whole night.
| ricardobeat wrote:
| It's an interesting question. Obviously creators will favor
| podcasts since it allows them to shove ads back in, even for
| Spotify paid subscribers. But why people chose that over
| playlists is a mystery.
| bambax wrote:
| > _Why would anyone go for a podcast rather than a playlist
| /track?_
|
| I'm not sure but I think tracks have a length limit, and not
| podcasts. If you want a track that lasts 8 hours as some of
| these do, then podcasts are the only option.
| aerovistae wrote:
| "obviously" -- speaking as someone who has run a box fan from
| sleep til waking every night for over 15 years, I would not say
| that is obvious at all. I don't need it to fall asleep, but I
| need it to stay asleep.
| gondo wrote:
| Searching for "white noise" on Spotify returns podcast as a
| "Top result". It is simply the first click. Might explain why
| someone goes for a podcast.
| macNchz wrote:
| Spotify clearly has set internal goals around podcast
| adoption and has been pushing them on users for a while (I
| assume because of the extra margin of playing ads to "ad
| free" premium subscribers), so it makes sense they'd get some
| kind of a boost in the results.
| jtbayly wrote:
| This is a major part of why I cancelled my Spotify
| subscription.
| wussboy wrote:
| Yup. Having people listen to a white noise generator as a
| "podcast" rather than a "playlist" certainly improves their
| "Look how well our podcasts are doing!" numbers.
|
| Taylor Swift's next album will probably be released as a
| podcast...
| Michelangelo11 wrote:
| > Why would anyone go for a podcast rather than a
| playlist/track?
|
| This is the biggest mystery to me too. Why not just use a
| 10-hour-long (or whatever) YouTube clip?
| serial_dev wrote:
| I'm not a white noise podcast listener, so it's just a guess:
|
| Discovering new white noises? Washing machine, hair dryer,
| forest, see, bar, wind, workplace noises?
|
| For work, I could see that I would like to experiment with
| different variations of white noise sounds, and see which one
| helps me the most to concentrate. I'll try out this podcast
| on Monday.
| mkl wrote:
| > Discovering new white noises? Washing machine, hair
| dryer, forest, see, bar, wind, workplace noises?
|
| Those are noise, but not white noise. White noise has all
| frequencies at equal intensity:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_noise
|
| This is like how white light has all frequencies of
| (visible) light. There are other "colours" of noise too,
| like pink noise and blue noise, that have different mixes
| of frequencies:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colors_of_noise
| serial_dev wrote:
| I know it is not technically white noise (it's just
| relaxing noise, really), but I appreciate your comment,
| noise colors are a fun subject.
|
| My sloppiness came from the fact that, as I have seen, in
| the YouTube noise video world, 95% of the videos have the
| "white" label in the title, even if they aren't
| technically white.
| the_arun wrote:
| Why not just use an mp3 file? then you don't need internet as
| well.
| tzs wrote:
| I was going to point out that if 10 hours isn't enough, just
| play it back at 3/4 speed, 1/2 speed or 1/4 speed. White
| noise should still be white noise at different speeds.
|
| But it turns out that slowing down white noise on Google does
| change it noticeably. Speeding it up does not.
|
| Someone smarter than me could probably infer some things
| about how YouTube implements speed shifting from that.
| MaxGabriel wrote:
| Unless something has changed, you have to pay for YouTube
| premium to play audio while the screen is off.
|
| YouTube is also a worse choice if you want offline access,
| such as on an airplane or when camping
| shard wrote:
| > you have to pay for YouTube premium to play audio while
| the screen is off
|
| There are many sleep videos which have a dark screen for
| this reason, you can add "dark screen" to the search terms
| and see the choices. Although it's not quite the same as
| having the screen off, it's close enough in my experience.
| hardware2win wrote:
| Try firefox+desktop mode
| paskozdilar wrote:
| > you have to pay for YouTube premium to play audio while
| the screen is off
|
| NewPipe (from fdroid repositories) can play audio from
| YouTube while the screen is off.
| rajamaka wrote:
| So can Brave browser
| perryizgr8 wrote:
| You cannot play YouTube on an alexa device either. Spotify
| has proper integration.
| solarkraft wrote:
| YouTube, at least on the web version, also stops playing
| after half an hour or so in the background.
| rightbyte wrote:
| You can do a "request desktop site" on mobile and it plays
| with the screen is off. uBlock in Firefox mobile for extra
| benefit.
| jeromegv wrote:
| Yes and 95% of users have no idea this feature exists.
| effingwewt wrote:
| Firefox mobile actually has an add-on specifically to
| play youtube and other videos with the screen off.
|
| https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-
| backgro...
| mongol wrote:
| If the first source of white noise you find is a podcast, does
| it matter? Personally I have found some good sources at
| Youtube.
| lawlorino wrote:
| > Why would anyone go for a podcast rather than a
| playlist/track?
|
| I'm also curious about this. My guess is the monetisation is
| different and podcasts are way more lucrative. - tracks are
| paid by plays straight from Spotify but (I think) podcasts
| instead rely on advertisements.
|
| From the article
|
| > Anchor manages the commercial load and pays Moore $12.25 per
| thousand listens
|
| which works out to ~$0.012 per listen
|
| And from the top result on Google for "how much does spotify
| pay per stream"
|
| > $0.0033 to $0.0054. That's how much money Spotify paid
| artists (through their rights holders) per stream in 2021,
| according to Insider. That means it would take roughly 250
| streams for an artist to earn $1.
|
| Also maybe the advertising value varies considerably with the
| number of podcast listeners and the specific advertisers
| partnered with, whereas the track stream amounts are probably
| pretty static.
| hahajk wrote:
| My guess would be that ads are incompatible with white noise
| use cases. If the white noise "podcast" inserted ads, I would
| guess that people would find a different place to get white
| noise.
| PebblesRox wrote:
| From the article, some are subscription, some play ads at
| the beginning, and the last creator featured has chosen not
| to include ads even though he knows he's leaving money on
| the table in doing so.
|
| "Moore and his white noise team... offer a subscription
| plan. But most people listen to the free, ad-supported
| version. Because Moore doesn't want to interrupt the
| calming aura of his show, he opts to include only pre-roll
| ads."
|
| "Reed, who is something of a white noise purist, knows he
| could make good money with advertisements. But he doesn't
| include them because he worries the sound of commerce would
| disturb his audience's restful slumber.
|
| 'It's embarrassing to say how much money I would be
| making,' he said."
| smugma wrote:
| I'm surprised Spotify doesn't have home grown white noise
| sounds, and then pushes people to those "songs", makes them
| short with 0s hapless playback, and then pays itself rather
| than a music label.
| smugma wrote:
| Apple Music Sleep is its own genre:
| https://music.apple.com/us/curator/apple-music-
| sleep/1558257...
| raesene9 wrote:
| One thing I didn't realise till recently, is you don't need
| spotify to generate white noise if you have an iPhone/iPad, as
| it's an in-built function under accessibility --> Audio/Visual
| and background sounds.
| al_borland wrote:
| I have a 'LectroFan, it's just a little box with a bunch of
| fan/white noises in it. From what I remember it generates them
| vs just playing an audio clip on a loop. I prefer it to running
| something on my phone for 8 hours at a time.
|
| I also have a mini one for when I travel, which has a battery
| and can double as a BT speaker. I do sometimes forget this when
| I travel, especially for short trips, so the iPhone feature is
| a good reminder. I think I heard about it before, but without
| using it, it's easy to forget.
| jedberg wrote:
| This is awesome! Is it bad that my mind immediately went to how
| to use it to prank someone? Turn on white noise and then turn
| on "only when unlocked" and set it to a really low volume.
|
| Drive someone nuts trying to figure out why it seems like they
| hear a noise every time they unlock their phone.
|
| I won't do this though because I'm pretty sure it would be a
| violation of the Geneva conventions.
| [deleted]
| kibwen wrote:
| Or if you have any device with a web browser, since there are a
| zillion free sites for generating white noise. Here's an
| arbitrary top search result which appears to be a highly
| configurable noise generator:
| https://mynoise.net/NoiseMachines/whiteNoiseGenerator.php
| app4soft wrote:
| And here is generated "Noise Colors"[0] album on Spotify.[1]
|
| [0] https://mynoise.net/Albums/view.php?album=NoiseColors
|
| [1] https://open.spotify.com/album/4nxNOcgs2BNBYL7k7ywR5n
| jbmny wrote:
| MyNoise is a really high quality, well maintained website run
| by a single person. He even goes out and does his own field
| recordings. I highly recommend it.
| akx wrote:
| ... With microphones he builds himself, too.
| https://mynoise.net/microphones.php
| car wrote:
| And really cheap, just $650!
| b3morales wrote:
| +1 There are associated mobile apps as well, that are not
| the prettiest, but provide access to the whole library.
| Really a gem.
| moneywoes wrote:
| Convenience is likely huge
| chias wrote:
| I love mynoise.net! Am a very happy monthly donor. My two
| main use cases:
|
| 1. mixing "white rain" with "88 keys" to focus at work
|
| 2. downloaded an hour-long "white rain" to use as background
| noise for my newborn
| INTPenis wrote:
| brianzelip wrote:
| Hmmm, what iOS version? V14 doesn't seem to have background
| sounds u det the Audio/Visual menu.
| CamelRocketFish wrote:
| iOS15
| gyan wrote:
| FFmpeg has a colored noise generator.
| http://www.ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg-filters.html#anoisesrc
| michaelbuck wrote:
| I never expected to find a feature like that in the settings
| menu of an operating system. Is there any history to this?
| How'd a white noise generator end up in the official Apple
| accessibility settings?
|
| The idea of having a setting that makes my phone emit
| continuous noise until I turn it off is absolutely wild to me.
| askafriend wrote:
| I think you can ask Siri to play it for you which is probably
| how most people discover it.
|
| My guess is the accessibility setting is for people that
| can't use Siri for whatever reason?
| HidyBush wrote:
| Another day, another unknown Apple feature buried down in menus
| that has just made me uninstall a dedicated app
| yborg wrote:
| There are a lot of useful features lumped under
| 'Accessibility' because I guess Apple couldn't figure out
| what to do with them.
| azemetre wrote:
| White sounds are useful for people with cognitive
| disabilities. Seems like the right location to me FWIW.
| dontbenebby wrote:
| Thank you for this, great way to "keep things offline", a skill
| that the youth are rapidly losing.
| thatguy0900 wrote:
| Odd thing to blame the youth for. Losing, or having stolen
| from them? The people on this site who make these things are
| the ones making those decisions, if you expect a 14 year old
| to take hard ethical stances on theoretical privacy rights
| you are crazy.
| dylan604 wrote:
| Losing could be read as not from something they did
| themselves, but I lose the ability to do something if it
| has been taken away from me.
| dontbenebby wrote:
| languageserver wrote:
| to be fair I have seen more people loose precious photographs
| from film than from iCloud
| chucknelson wrote:
| Woah, that is news to me!
|
| What's strange is that iOS gives you no indication of where
| that sound is coming from...I guess I expected to be able to
| pause it somehow. Interesting, though!
| CamelRocketFish wrote:
| Turning it off is pausing it as it's noise and not a song.
| winternett wrote:
| I've worked my A$$ of literally for over 5 years now to put
| music on Spotify, through out those 5 years, I have about 30
| songs up there, All in all I've probably only gotten about
| 1,400 streams generating about $20... I'm lucky I taught myself
| web development and project management, because with all the
| promise the Internet had when I was going through college, it
| seems that the only actual opportunity is in creating web sites
| and apps.
|
| Fairness is simply not possible on these platforms, you can
| have the most polished product and sit totally ignored because
| of all the scams and schemes, I can't imagine how many people
| who don't have alternative opportunities like I did that are
| literally dying just trying to get a chance to be heard on a
| fiasco operation like this that literally and happily pays
| others to do absolutely nothing, while they charge creators for
| subscriptions and ads.
|
| It's a really frickin bleak indicator as to the value of human
| labor going into the future... If the people who aren't
| providing value constantly win over the people that strive to,
| everything falls apart, and we'll end up in a total scheme
| economy.
|
| As valid creators, we all need to back off and stop posting
| anything at all on social media and big platforms to highlight
| the total crap that is popular on the platform. A much better
| way is to create and maintain our own small independent sites
| and to link to each other more.
|
| You can literally run a fan or leave a radio on a dead
| frequency to get white noise... You don't need a streaming
| service for that. This is ridiculous, and the article only
| serves to promote this brand of fraud. It's not capitalism,
| it's simply fraud from many facets.
| nyolfen wrote:
| fraud? it sounds like your music just isnt very good
| dinkleberg wrote:
| Even if their music is good it's hard to get discovered in
| a world of millions (billions?) of tracks. Unless you're
| lucky, you'll need to do some marketing of some sort to
| pull in listeners.
| winternett wrote:
| Agreed...
|
| Marketing is indeed a necessity, but Social Media was
| developed under the premise of providing free "social"
| marketing for artists that aren't profiting from their
| work yet... These platforms have undermined that now into
| requiring absolutely all artists to pay for ads in order
| to be viewed, which is completely contradicting their
| original EULAs... Spotify in a way is a social platform,
| but more-so it is also a marketing platform that despite
| allowing people to promote, also creates a dynamic where
| success is tiered and artificially hard-limited by their
| algorithms.
|
| Content displayed on the front pages of sites like
| Spotify, YouTube, Reddit (etc.), get the most views and
| plays. These sites intentionally only have front pages,
| with pre-designated featured content. That means that
| only the artists that land there get the lion share of
| the revenue from those sites... They provide little to no
| relative potential for success or visibility to the
| majority of artists that contribute content that they
| benefit from, and that makes the entire industry a
| pyramid scheme.
|
| Unknown and unsponsored artists cannot succeed in this
| model, and even if they do somehow find an opportunity,
| they are often subject to predatory contracts from record
| labels and the larger industry as well. It's really
| insane what goes on behind the curtains.
| winternett wrote:
| What kind of music do you like?
| Cpoll wrote:
| > If the people who aren't providing value constantly win
| over the people that strive to
|
| Not that I don't sympathize with your struggles, but aren't
| the people who are creating background noise tracks doing
| exactly that, providing value? The article talks about tracks
| with natural noise or ambient noises, so it's not exactly the
| same as turning a fan on. I can't see how this is a scam.
|
| Also from the article, there's a team of five making some of
| these, so it's not even accurate to label them as low effort
| (though I'll admit they're probably admin and marketing
| roles...).
|
| > I have about 30 songs up there, All in all I've probably
| only gotten about 1,400 streams
|
| That's only 46 listens per song. That suggests to me that
| you're not self-promoting, or doing something wrong. Even if
| there weren't white noise tracks on Spotify with 100k
| listens, there are millions of songs with <100 listens; even
| if the Spotify exposure algorithms were "fair" you wouldn't
| get any more listens than you already have.
| winternett wrote:
| You didn't have to take it in a personal insult direction
| friend. It's such a common response to an issue you really
| do not understand.
|
| I'll refrain from salty comments concerning the quality of
| my work because you're already sold on the ideal that the
| platform is totally ethical, despite many well selling
| artists saying the same things I have numerous times.
|
| The platforms exist to promote artists, they do not do that
| at all.
|
| It's really not for me to defend the merits of my work in
| response to expressing my experience on the platform...
| It's really not for you to insult someone you know nothing
| about, who says they've worked hard. You should really
| think about that... I have solid success in many other
| places than Spotify, and that's why I dedicate my time
| there and not to Spotify.
| hetspookjee wrote:
| I find it odd that you seem rather adamant on the skill
| that goes into your own music, yet seem to disregard the
| noise genre as a whole and call it unfair that it gets
| that much attention. Indeed the world is not fair, but to
| discredit other peoples work that a lot of others seem to
| appreciate seems as a moot point.
|
| I listen to a lot of music, mostly noise / ambient /
| drone and do so mostly during work, so the hours stack up
| quite rapidly. Per the Spotify model this is quite
| beneficial for the artist. But I am rather picky in the
| noise I appreciate so in the end it's not that many songs
| I keep. Most I visit once and turn off halfway. So I
| definitely wouldn't want to call it easy to create good
| ambient / noise.
|
| Anyway the other day I saw a YouTube video with 116M
| views of 9 minutes long that showed hands going into
| slime. Now compared with a video from say Carfection or
| PBS EON, that's quite odd than.
| donthellbanme wrote:
| I worked at a record store in the 90's. It was right after
| cd's took over. I think we had 1 record in the store.
|
| I was shocked over the amount of tranquility music we sold.
| Tranquility was nature sounds. I didn't know about white
| noise back then, but we probally had it. It was basically
| music produced cheaply that supposedly relazed people.
|
| I got it. People are stressed. Did listening to calming
| nature sounds help me--no, but listening to AM radio on a
| boring station does calm me down, or keeps negative thoughts
| away.
|
| My sleepy time music was Classic music. Pretty much
| everything.
|
| Even then becoming a musician was as hard as becomming an
| artist. There was just no formula besides 1 in a million
| talent, like Elvis, or just sheer luck, and that meant
| exposure.
|
| (I am thinking about leaving an old iphone strapped to a tree
| to record creek sounds tomorrow, and plop it on Spotify under
| "Songs to calm. Natural, and organic music."), or never leave
| my house and produce it digitally?)
| drorco wrote:
| Nice. Anyway to create a quick shortcut to this functionality?
| It's pretty deep inside the settings menu.
| alexcnwy wrote:
| Yes, you can set it to turn on when you triple tap the right
| button.
| frou_dh wrote:
| Tap the ear icon ("Hearing") in Control Centre. I can't
| remember whether that icon is included by default though.
| kejaed wrote:
| Yes, you can add it to Control Center
|
| https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT212775
| quartesixte wrote:
| As someone who suffers from a rather high sensitivity to
| noise (particularly noise I do not have a control over)
| this is game changing and will 100x my quality of life
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| xwdv wrote:
| This comment could cause lost revenue for these people. Take it
| down.
| mft_ wrote:
| Thanks - really good to discover this!
|
| Interesting to note the size of the samples that Apple is
| using:
|
| * Balanced noise: 1.8MB
|
| * Bright noise: 1.8MB
|
| * Dark noise: 1.8MB
|
| * Ocean: 62.4MB
|
| * Rain: 63.7MB
|
| * Stream: 72.1MB
|
| That's a lot of effort to ensure your background water sounds
| are (presumably) high fidelity and non-repeating!
| andrepd wrote:
| If you're interested in high quality background noise, I'll
| plug this absolutely _amazing_ site: mynoise.net
| amelius wrote:
| Doesn't the finite size imply that they are in fact
| repeating?
| natly wrote:
| In this case they're probably recordings, but you could
| imagine that they'd be procedurally generated in which case
| not necessarily. A call to `Math.random()` is a finite
| length 'file' but won't repeat.
| aftbit wrote:
| A call to Math.random() will in fact repeat eventually.
| The backing PRNG has a finite period.
| MichaelBurge wrote:
| The human brain is also finite, so even a true infinite
| random sequence would give the listener finitely many
| states.
|
| So it doesn't matter whether a sequence is finite or not.
| sudosysgen wrote:
| It may be partly affected by fully random effects such
| thermal noise, meaning there will be no period.
| shhsshs wrote:
| Yeah, after it loops in several hundred years and I hear
| a pattern I've already heard, I'll be _really_ annoyed!
| PartiallyTyped wrote:
| Not necessarily.
|
| In theory one can construct a chaotic (this is a precise
| definition) function with very little data that could
| replicate that class of noise with finite data.
|
| Infinite lists are also another beautiful construct in
| lazily evaluated languages.
| Retric wrote:
| Not at a fixed rate with finite computing power or finite
| memory. Essentially a fixed algorithm needs ever
| increasing or infinite levels of precision in it's
| calculations to avoid loops.
| mejutoco wrote:
| Can prime numbers be used as lengths/periods so that
| there is no perceptible repetitions.
|
| I saw this trick and used it to animate different parts
| of an animation (each part every p frames, where p is a
| prime) and it works very well.
| karmakaze wrote:
| So like emitting 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 1, 0, ...?
|
| Doesn't need much to generate. It would need a wide
| counter but a MB is a lot of bits.
| jacobolus wrote:
| > _Not at a fixed rate with finite computing power or
| finite memory. Essentially a fixed algorithm needs ever
| increasing or infinite levels of precision in its
| calculations to avoid loops._
|
| If you start talking about true "infinity" then sure. You
| need to store enough state (or if you like, receive some
| input) for your computed output to be unique. And
| counting to infinity takes infinite amounts of memory.
| Infinity is not accessible to humans, and is best thought
| of as a thought experiment rather than a part of
| empirical reality.
|
| But if you do 44kHz samples, a counter stored in a 32-bit
| integer that ticks up once per sample is enough state to
| give you all unique [i.e. non-looping] samples for about
| a day. A 64-bit integer will give you all unique samples
| for 13 million years. With a 75-bit integer you can get
| all unique samples for longer than the history of the
| universe so far.
|
| So in practice, the "increasing" amount of memory
| required doesn't (necessarily) grow fast enough to worry
| about.
| JJMcJ wrote:
| Good ones are loopable so there is no discontinuity when
| they repeat.
|
| And the size of those files implies they are probably
| minutes in length, at the very least, so you probably don't
| notice the repetition.
| throwoutway wrote:
| Yes. I can detect repetition of ocean "white noise" if the
| length is too short. But a long enough track is just fine
| irthomasthomas wrote:
| I wonder if there's a market for bernoulli noise generated by the
| quantum vacuum?
|
| https://qrng.anu.edu.au/random-bernoulli-noise/
| telesilla wrote:
| A plug for my favorite noise sleep aid, Celestial Noise. A very
| warm noise with a special quality that I find so much nicer than
| noise generators, though I recommend downloading so you skip
| being woken up by ads. The comments are a bonus.
|
| https://youtu.be/wzjWIxXBs_s
| vicwhiten wrote:
| Almost sounds like what Vulfpeck did with the Sleepify album back
| in the earlier days of Spotify, while serving more of a purpose
| than "just give this band some money"
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleepify
| amelius wrote:
| > The album was pulled by Spotify on April 26, 2014, citing
| violations of the service's content policies.
|
| Regulation by companies is so refreshing compared to being
| regulated by the government!
| Shadonototra wrote:
| "farmers feeding the world are struggling to make a living"
|
| "random dude can retire in peace by uploading a white noise on
| spotify"
| karaterobot wrote:
| The farmers didn't earn the $18k, and splitting it between them
| all wouldn't change anything for them. As ridiculous as it is
| to sell white noise for a living, it's a logical consequence of
| the kind of world that allows so many of us here on HN to make
| a living selling little bits of symbolic logic arranged in
| patterns.
| codethief wrote:
| To be fair, there are millions of farmers around the world and
| only a handful of white noise producers. Moreover, each white
| noise producer seems to be serving hundreds of thousands of
| people. Economy of scale is a thing.
| booleandilemma wrote:
| That's enough HN for me today.
| UmbertoNoEco wrote:
| Expect being flagged in 3 ... 2...
|
| Conform, consume, follow or ...simply die.
|
| That's our era's motto.
| qolop wrote:
| >>> "To be fair"
|
| You're joking right? It's not fair. It's capitalism.
| dwighttk wrote:
| Get back to me when this continues into the guy's retirement.
| tenebrisalietum wrote:
| at least they aren't starving though?
|
| also farming machines make some pretty nice noise so maybe they
| should get it on it.
| 8note wrote:
| You're comparing the p99 to the p25.
|
| Farming has its wealthy members too
| hp48fan wrote:
| Ya, but I wouldn't be surprised if half the white noise guys
| are watching farming videos or woodworking videos to calm their
| anxiety at night.
|
| Clearly, Im projecting.
| irthomasthomas wrote:
| Who are these poor farmers? All the farmers around me are
| millionaires.
| honkler wrote:
| i heard bill gates is a farmer too these days
| relativ575 wrote:
| This is Exhibit A of how awful social media can be: low effort,
| wrong, lack of nuance comment that invokes fake outrage and
| aims at stirring emotion from an wound up audience
| arvinsim wrote:
| When trying to find out what society really values, don't
| listen to what society says.
|
| Rather look at who they actually pay more.
| tgv wrote:
| You seem to be under the impression that society values the
| likes of Bernie Madoff and Elizabeth Holmes.
| kweinber wrote:
| Society values investment strategies and medical
| innovations. If society finds out it has been defrauded,
| then society tries to reclaim its investments and punish
| the fraudsters.
| derbOac wrote:
| Not disagreeing with what you wrote, but the word "fraud"
| itself implies a distinction between perceived and actual
| value.
| williamtrask wrote:
| Society sounds very cranky
| wongarsu wrote:
| To be fair, if societal values are determined by capital
| allocation then the values are almost entirely determined
| by the top 10%.
| 8note wrote:
| Society did at some point, but I think society would pay
| more for a loaf of bread than a Madoff share today
| slibhb wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginalism
| Hackbraten wrote:
| > Moore and his white noise team -- yes, he has five employees
| and contractors
|
| I assume their duties are mostly mundane things, such as
| accounting, marketing, vendor relations, and app (store)
| maintenance.
|
| But what I really like to imagine is that those five employees
| are cryptographers, and that their duty is to painstakingly work
| on new secure white noise generation algorithms in order to push
| the envelope in the white noise industry.
| ineedasername wrote:
| > _But what I really like to imagine is that those five
| employees are cryptographers_
|
| Or may NSA workers running the modern equivalent of number
| stations.
| andrewallbright wrote:
| I like to imagine white noise listeners would be like wine
| connoisseurs in your scenario.
|
| "Mmmmmm, this one features a nice static base noise livivified
| by a hint of perlin noise."
| ineedasername wrote:
| "Yes yes, of course that's a nice balance, but I do rather
| prefer mine to have just a hint of oak leaf crackle, like
| those that remain at the end of the Fall"
| hetspookjee wrote:
| Well, honestly there's a world of difference between the
| noise generated by Pete Swanson versus Merzbow for example. I
| can't handle Merzbow at all, but Pete Swanson's A&Ox0 I truly
| enjoy. For example, my most listend song over 2021 (>60
| times) is Limited Space by an alias of Pete Swanson; Yellow
| Swans.
|
| Than there's a track like Treetop Drive 3 from Deathprod that
| you truly notice when it starts, and when it ends. Other than
| that it is phenomal in drowning out everything on the other
| end.
|
| Windy & Carl also make some great tracks, one of my favorites
| being Antarctica. I've noticed while sharing these tracks
| that it is a very personnel thing, so odds being that you
| share my favorites are remarkebly small, though I do find it
| a very interesting genre to explore and wonder about - what
| makes this good versus the other?
|
| With less noise and a seeming one-off is Virginia Waveform
| from Pan-America, though quire more melodic already
|
| I have a curated playlist of noise tracks that I very
| frequently get back to. Here's my playlist for anyone that is
| interested:
| https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0srqN53JGNoqEN3vzoviJU
| acchow wrote:
| > Limited Space by an alias of Pete Swanson; Yellow Swans
|
| This is my first time listening to this "genre" of music
| and I love it!
| gwern wrote:
| https://xkcd.com/915/
| renewiltord wrote:
| This is fascinating. A whole genre I cannot appreciate at
| all and yet a genuine fan. Amazing.
| hetspookjee wrote:
| I find it fascinating as well, especially how I can
| scroll through a recommended ambient playlist provided by
| Spotify and only pick 1-2 songs from the lot. And on
| further exploration I often think to myself - damn, this
| is some good ambient, let me add it to my list - only to
| find I've added it already. Kinda proving to me that it's
| not just circumstantial appreciation but something that
| stays for a while I guess.
| bbu wrote:
| I expected a playlist of Rick astley songs. I guess there's
| a whole form of ,,music" I am not aware of.
| kiritanpo wrote:
| Wow, this is the first time I see someone with musical
| tastes so close to mine. Like you said, a lot of this music
| feels very personal. So this feels weird now, like meeting
| a long lost twin. I could have made that playlist.
|
| I was never really able to pinpoint what makes this music
| good to me. It has to be a mix of the actual sound, texture
| and repetitive nature of the drone.
|
| Have you heard the collaboration between Fennesz and Jim
| O'Rourke? https://christianfenneszjimorourke.bandcamp.com/t
| rack/i-just...
| hetspookjee wrote:
| Ohhh this must be marvelous and can't wait to check it
| out! I really appreciate this tune from Fennesz - Tom but
| have a really hard time with both the brevity of the
| tune, and finding similar styles.
|
| https://open.spotify.com/track/2iHvSdltCRLlCVYAjRxLNj
|
| On another note. Do you know the project The Dead Texan?
| its another alias from the artist behind Stars of the Lid
| and it's an album that just seems to get better with
| every listen.
|
| Especially the Aegina Airlines is very evoking, though
| not directly up the alley of Noise I'd say.
| [deleted]
| gebruikersnaam wrote:
| It's only white noise if it's generated by the Sennheiser
| algorithm, otherwise it's just random static.
| m0llusk wrote:
| The Haters usually take a microphone connected to a
| distortion box and scrape it around the surface of a
| textured plastic suitcase. The result is clearly white
| noise and easily differentiated from the all too common
| pink noise one tends to hear nowadays.
| bob1029 wrote:
| To be fair, there are a large variety of "noises" in this arena
| that people have certain preferences for over others.
|
| Developing an algorithm that generates something that sounds
| _very_ good to humans requires a bit more than simple math and
| entropy.
|
| "White noise" is just the entrance to a very large rabbit hole.
| greatquux wrote:
| I'm listening to Metal Machine Music right now , feedback may
| be another rabbit hole next door
| gumby wrote:
| This does suggest a moderately interesting application: a sleep
| tracker could provide feedback to selectively alter the
| composition of the background noise to improve sleep quality.
| It could vary the background noise based on your sleep phase
| and other ambient noise (sirens, pets, etc). If you wear a
| tracker while awake, such as an apple watch, it could even
| figure out how to start based on your activity level just
| before going to bed.
| [deleted]
| bryanrasmussen wrote:
| >new secure white noise generation algorithms in order to push
| the envelope in the white noise industry.
|
| written in BrainFuck I assume
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31585371
| saagarjha wrote:
| Well, I only listen to white noise that fills buffers that are
| allocated using new and lovingly filled with an artisanal
| memcpy.
| mellavora wrote:
| WTF? Doesn't anyone just reverse bias a transistor anymore?
| Who needs memory?
| afandian wrote:
| I hope you zero the memory first! Otherwise you can hear the
| ghosting on good headphones.
| bigyikes wrote:
| Ghosting problems are why I refuse to listen to anything on
| machines with RAM older than DDR4.
| thematrixturtle wrote:
| Surely you mean newer? The quantum tunneling artifacts on
| modern dense memory are simply ghastly, which why I stick
| to hand-wound magnetic core memory.
| systemvoltage wrote:
| Expert here (degree in engineering), Analog core wounded
| memory or gtfo.
| afandian wrote:
| I guess that comes at the significant penalty of lower
| bit rate. Still, it does sound warmer.
|
| (Seriously, I wonder what the rate would be?)
| dontbenebby wrote:
| How does this make sense when I also hear many artists hate it
| because they get very little per play? Or is it because people
| play it continuously on a loop in ways you wouldn't play EDM or
| rap that's 3-10 min?
|
| (Paywalled so difficult to respond to more than the headline.)
| anon25783 wrote:
| the infamous podcast Cum Town is making more than that with
| nothing but homophobia and racial slurs
| Schiphol wrote:
| if you use linux you can listen to my brown-noise podcast by
| typing this in your favorite terminal emulator:
| play -n synth brownnoise.
|
| Please do a thumbs-up gesture if you like it.
| amlib wrote:
| You may also go trough the experience of being aboard the
| enterprise as Captain Picard with the following on your
| favorite terminal emulator: play -n synth
| brownnoise lowpass 150
| dylan604 wrote:
| Does your brown-noise generate brown-notes? You might not get
| as many thumbs-up terminal gestures if you do.
| robmsmt wrote:
| ... and please hit subscribe. Now a message from our sponsor.
| [deleted]
| avian wrote:
| Hah, good tip. I've been using Sox for ages and it never
| occurred to me that it can generate noise as well.
| fideloper wrote:
| Hey, I've used this show to act as my own sound machine when
| trying to nap! Some nights are the kids are terrible sleepers, so
| my wife and I take turns napping during the day while the other
| watches the kids. As you might imagine, they're loud - the white
| noise helps block out the extra noise.
| [deleted]
| formvoltron wrote:
| If Spotify does not create their own white noise channels then I
| certainly would not be happy being a Spotify investor.
| bluedino wrote:
| It's built into the iPhone now
| mizzao wrote:
| Analogically... if Spotify did not create their own pop music
| you would not be a happy Spotify investor either?
|
| Spotify is the platform, not the artist. They make money as
| long as people are publishing content. They don't _need_ do
| make anything of their own...
| solarkraft wrote:
| Right, but they _do_ publish their own Playlists and, like
| Netflix, could theoretically cover some low hanging fruit
| pretty cheaply.
| paulluuk wrote:
| The problem with Netflix, Disney+, HBO, etc etc is that a
| lot of people are going back to pirating video content or
| abusing their "family" accounts, all because each platform
| insists on having exclusive content. If this trend
| continues, I think we'll see a more and more dramatic loss
| for all video streaming services as piracy becomes
| mainstream again (as it was for decades).
|
| I don't think that the music streaming platforms should
| follow their example, but instead should all offer as much
| content as possible and simply compete for listening
| experience, not content. I know that there is already a
| battle going on for exclusive music content, but I'd say
| about 90% of music can be found on all the major music
| streaming platforms right now.
| honkler wrote:
| imagine paying when you can get things for free lol
| jaggederest wrote:
| Just moved back to the countryside, this article makes me think
| about hooking up some microphones in the woods and catching the
| progression of birds into frogs into rain sounds into birds that
| happens every night. Certainly a big part of why I moved out of
| the city, and you could have a new "episode" every day.
| Balgair wrote:
| >this article makes me think about hooking up some microphones
| in the woods and catching the progression of birds into frogs
| into rain sounds into birds that happens every night...and you
| could have a new "episode" every day.
|
| I absolutely would listen to that nearly every work day.
|
| Pre-pandemic, I would use 'Forrest Bathing' YT channels mixed
| in with my favorite music while in the office. The longer the
| sample of ambient sounds, the better, as I wouldn't have to
| pause or restart the video. I've kept this up since WFH
| started.
|
| After months of daily listening, I found that a lot of 'Forrest
| Bathing' channels would use soundboards, would loop an hour
| long sample for 10+ hours, would splice in other samples from
| other places (I could tell from the bird species' calls), etc.
|
| The authentic, 10+ hour long, sampled from a single spot,
| aurally interesting, no edits, no soundboards, 'Forrest
| Bathing' videos are very rare [0] and I wish there would be
| more of them.
|
| The key would be to find aurally interesting areas around you.
| I've found that the fauna tend to be most active crepuscularly,
| meaning that the middle of the video can be a bit boring,
| especially for night videos. Day videos can have animal
| husbandry to fill in the gaps during mid-day.
|
| Part of the allure of the videos is the 'romance' of the
| associated visual components. If you can set a video camera up
| along with the high quality audio, that's just golden. Even
| though I'm almost never looking at the video, just knowing that
| I am actually listening to the real sounds of the Yukon, or the
| Amafi Coast, or a small English hedge, etc, it really makes it
| for me and makes me feel like that small little box I'm in
| isn't so bad, that I am actually traveling the world a bit
| still, that my life is richer and more 'real' in some small
| way.
|
| [0] I've found a few channels, and even then, the 'good' videos
| are very few. Yes, I am super picky with this, I can't help it.
| bambax wrote:
| During lockdown I toyed with generating insect sounds with
| synthesizers. Never thought of making them into long tracks.
| Will look into it now.
|
| It would be the opposite of what you're after, though, as
| it's completely artificial.
|
| But! It doesn't loop. I can make it of any length, and with
| some astute randomization it never produces the exact same
| sequence twice.
| synu wrote:
| Can you share links to some of the good ones you've found?
| ryankrage77 wrote:
| Here's a few I like:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X-8J485XEM
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_WiBGYi-rU
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-c1QNq-D7E
| wussboy wrote:
| I would be interested in some links as well.
| s5300 wrote:
| You could pair it with a "wooden forest megaphone"
|
| Have a microphone at the point of amplification
|
| https://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/listen-nature-through-...
|
| I was trying to find a picture of these where two of them are
| butted up against each other & you lie down inbetween them,
| sort of like a pair of headphones. SEO made it so I couldn't do
| that, so this article is the best we get.
|
| Edit: ooh, found close to what I was after.
|
| https://imgur.com/a/BUAexSV
|
| Shit. Somebody on HN with the resources may be able to make
| decent money with this idea. Remember me if you do :)
| joe-collins wrote:
| I'm just gonna leave a comment so I can check in on this idea
| later.
| mgdlbp wrote:
| _field recording_ is the term for looking into doing this
| jaggederest wrote:
| Thank you, that's a great keyword set to start with.
| hetspookjee wrote:
| BioSphere's - Hilvarenbeek Recoring sound quite a bit like
| that, you might appreciate it! Also Windy & Carl has this
| amazing tune "Forest Trails:
|
| BioSphere:
| https://open.spotify.com/album/28VBLIMroxoxDWx84oegfx
| Windy&Carl:
| https://open.spotify.com/track/2Gvy4DbDM6NQ5rUJDljXz4
| zmibes wrote:
| For my uses there is always too much additional nonsense with
| noise apps. Here's 5 lines of Faust that satisfies all my noise
| requirements (a noise generator and a lp filter with simple UI)
| you can export as ab android app or to various other platforms:
| https://faustide.grame.fr/?autorun=1&voices=0&name=exfaust0&...
| bmitc wrote:
| > For my uses there is always too much additional nonsense with
| noise apps.
|
| Do you have examples? I have been decently happy when I have
| needed to find one, even free ones.
|
| Your link doesn't play and also requests access to my
| microphone.
| zmibes wrote:
| Try a different browser.
|
| Examples: type sleep noise into the android Play store and
| the top few. Waves, bird noises, rain etc. All useless to me
| - just want masking noise to block other stuff out.
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