[HN Gopher] The children of atomic bomb survivors: A genetic study
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The children of atomic bomb survivors: A genetic study
Author : bryanrasmussen
Score : 84 points
Date : 2022-06-04 16:19 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| NiceWayToDoIT wrote:
| So, there you go it seems having full fledged nuclear war is
| quite safe. :) (sorry for dark humor)
| acidburnNSA wrote:
| If you stay completely inside for the first 2 weeks you'll
| probably be ok, radiation wise. If you're unsheltered in the
| first hours in fallout you will get a fatal dose in a matter of
| minutes and die a painful death over the next few days. So if
| you see the blast and survive the pressure wave then get the
| hell inside and stay there for 2 weeks no matter where you are.
| Try not to ventilate too much.
|
| https://www.oism.org/nwss/
| speed_spread wrote:
| In the words of South Park: "Duck And Cover!"
| mjreacher wrote:
| In case it hadn't been noticed to some readers, this is actually
| a book and clicking on the "Contents" button reveals a table of
| contents.
| podiki wrote:
| Good spot. This is more of a special issue or collection,
| reprinting previous research (not sure if previously
| unpublished is also included) under this theme.
| ridgeguy wrote:
| Entire book available for free download at:
|
| https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK234265/
|
| under "Views", right-hand column.
| nonrandomstring wrote:
| While in airforce service my father was briefly stationed in the
| South Pacific for "the tests". I wish I'd asked him more while he
| was alive. AFAIK he was one of the lucky ones, a _long_ way
| upwind. He 's the only person who ever told me about seeing a
| mushroom cloud eating up the horizon. I have sometimes worried if
| I might pay a price for that.
| jpindar wrote:
| My high school physics teacher was stationed at Eniwetok and he
| told us a lot about it. His job was photography, and he showed
| us some impressive photos of the explosions, including some
| showing lightning striking the top of the mushroom cloud.
|
| He mentioned that his son was adopted, though whether that was
| by necessity or out of caution I don't know.
|
| Anyway, he lived to an apparently healthy old age.
| nonrandomstring wrote:
| Thanks for sharing. Being a photographer must have meant some
| line of sight exposure I guess. My old man was a radio
| operator. As I understand it, they were investigation the
| effects on communications, so he got stuck in a shack
| listening to the EMP, guess he would have heard that
| lightning in his headphones.
| weinzierl wrote:
| I find this super interesting. Around the time Chernobyl happened
| I remember that damages for the subsequent generations were
| widely sold as a fact by the media.
|
| At university I had to do a course in radiation protection and
| that was the first time when I heard this idea challenged.
| Especially that we needed to distinguish between teratogenic
| damage to the unborn during exposure and potential genetic damage
| passed on to children conceived after exposure. The former was an
| established fact the later a possibility no one had found proof
| of.
|
| The article seems not only to corroborate this, but also my
| impression that these two things are regularly confused.
|
| _" Inasmuch as even today the issues are occasionally confused,
| a clear distinction must be drawn between these studies and
| studies on the children in utero at the time of the bombings."_
| pyuser583 wrote:
| If I remember right, the effects of radiation exposure for most
| residents of Pripyat is much less damaging than smoking two
| packs of cigarettes a day.
|
| That's one of the problems with assessing the damage from
| indirect exposure - things like drinking, smoking, lead
| exposure, asbestos exposure, etc. are bigger irritants.
|
| And control groups are very hard to manage for long term
| (lifelong) studies.
| tyingq wrote:
| I imagine it's hard to say, given the amount of control the
| USSR had over the press.
|
| There's this credible sounding account of a little girl dying
| in Pripyat from radiation exposure:
| https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/08/books/voices-from-
| chernob...
| trhway wrote:
| >the effects of radiation exposure for most residents of
| Pripyat
|
| Chernobyl didn't have much radiation directly radiated, and
| the residents of Pripyat were relatively promptly evacuated.
| The Chernobyl impact has been all about fallout. A bunch of
| Russian soldiers for example who took over Chernobyl 3 month
| ago and stayed there for a month until retreat, and who did a
| lot of digging and armor driving without any PPE in one of
| the most polluted places there - Red Forest - already got
| acute radiation sickness as a result and the rest will have a
| lot of problems down the road from all that fallout dust they
| ingested.
|
| Another example highlighting the fallout - Belarus where the
| regions most hit by Chernobyl fallout are, ie. Homel and
| Mogilev, has almost 50% higher cancer rates than Russia and
| Ukraine (those 2 have pretty close rates between themselves
| and similar to Belarus patterns of smoking, drinking,
| nutrition, etc) mostly due to the higher cancer rates in the
| Homel and Mogilev region. There is also some indications
| about higher rate of children birth defects and various
| genetic illnesses there. Those children naturally weren't
| exposed to Chernobyl's direct radiation, it is its fallout
| which continues to exist there.
| yieldcrv wrote:
| concordDance wrote:
| Tl;dr: damage to the genes of adult atomic bomb survivors isn't
| noticeable in the kids they concieve after the bombings.
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