[HN Gopher] The Web's Timeline
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The Web's Timeline
Author : marban
Score : 66 points
Date : 2022-06-01 16:06 UTC (6 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (thehistoryoftheweb.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (thehistoryoftheweb.com)
| bag_boy wrote:
| Had no clue IMDb was that old
| fourstar wrote:
| Props for listing k10k (which CryptoPunks was heavily inspired
| from). No mention of E/N (Everything/Nothing) sites, though
| (markside, john's crawlspace, histandard, badassmofo,
| chilidog.org, etc, etc)
| enobrev wrote:
| I owe a good deal of my career to the fine folks at Cuban
| Council. Loved working with all of them.
| marban wrote:
| For the kids:
| https://www.webdesignmuseum.org/gallery/kaliber10000-2003
| gpspake wrote:
| I love this sort of thing. Whenever I try to make a case for
| anything at work, I always try to frame it in a historical
| context because everything we do in computing exists on a
| historical timeline that's relatively short and ongoing and we
| shouldn't necessarily hold anything as a universal truth. It's
| possible that everything we hold dear (OOP, etc) will be a blip
| in early computing history in the grand scheme of things. I work
| in web so one thing I preach a lot is that a lot of the explosion
| of activity in JS over the past decade or so can largely be
| traced back to the introduction of the iphone, the subsequent
| mass adoption of mobile devices, and the sudden expectation for
| native-app like experiences from the web on low powered devices.
| Thus, a lot of notions about javascript that persist from pre
| mobile, pre es6, etc need to be checked. "Javascript framework of
| the week" cynicisms tend to persist from a brief period of
| "throwing stuff at the wall" to figure out how to leverage AJAX
| to achieve SPA. Now the language and its ecosystem has matured
| tremendously and there are other problems to solve so it's
| important to constantly renew our perceptions and biases. Here's
| a js timeline I threw together recently
| https://time.graphics/editor/649085
| kosasbest wrote:
| > May 18 2021: Digital Millennium Copyright Act
|
| Wasn't the DMCA enacted a lot earlier? Wikipedia says the
| following[1]:
|
| > The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) is a 1998 United
| States copyright law
|
| [1]
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_A...
| ChrisArchitect wrote:
| That's just the date when the article on it was posted to the
| blog. C'mon.
| gmmeyer wrote:
| yea the webpage is wildly incorrect, wikipedia is right
| Lammy wrote:
| > To pitch it, he submits a proposal for organizing scientific
| documents to his employers titled "Information Management, a
| Proposal."
|
| If this is going to be the opening item then it would be nice to
| at least have a blurb about predecessor ideas. Tim Berners-Lee's
| "Information Management: A Proposal" cites Ted Nelson for the
| concepts behind "Hypertext" and the "docuverse". Nelson was
| directly inspired by Vannevar Bush and the idea of the Memex as
| presented in "As We May Think".
|
| Bush had his own influences, of course, like the Statistical
| Machine, but it's a huge miss to not go back at least this far
| considering the US Government's role in building the actual
| ARPANET/Internet. Bush was director of OSRD / S-1 Executive
| Committee at the time of "As We May Think", so there's a direct
| link of influence between the eventual World Wide Web concept and
| that of the network itself.
|
| https://www.w3.org/History/1989/proposal.html
|
| https://www.ibiblio.org/pioneers/bush.html
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-1_Executive_Committee
| tannhaeuser wrote:
| > _[HTML] itself was influenced by similar efforts like SGML, but
| has since evolved into a lot more._
|
| Time for some pedantry: HTML is/was envisioned as SGML
| vocabulary, ie. using SGML as markup meta-language to describe
| the elements, content models, attributes, predefined entities,
| and other parsing rules for HTML such as tag inferences and
| attribute shortforms. Or at least TBL tried to.
|
| Also, the basic rich text vocabulary of HTML for paragraphs,
| spans, headers, etc. is already used in ISO 8879 (SGML) as a
| commonly used "folklore" markup convention, with only the anchor
| element (<a>) and a couple others being genuinely new.
|
| And finally, "similar efforts" at the time would be HyTime (also
| an SGML application) not SGML itself.
| peakminute wrote:
| zwieback wrote:
| I still consider Word Magazine an early high point of online
| culture, nothing quite replaced it for me.
| sbf501 wrote:
| Raise your hand if you're one of the ding-dongs who in 1991
| thought the internet was only ever going to be good for song
| lyrics and porn.
|
| /raises hand in shame/
|
| (Note: i'm excluding things like EaasySabre [sic])
| zwieback wrote:
| I was a dedicated archie and gopher user, thought web was going
| to be just for grandmas. EaasySabre was awesome, though, I
| switched from Delphi to CompuServe around then.
|
| Also really liked PointCast, that was a lifesaver when our
| whole company shared a dial-up modem connection.
| night-rider wrote:
| Well if you want to get academic about it:
| https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/cambridge-handbook-...
| upupandup wrote:
| curious as to why nothing after 2018? are we approaching the end
| of novelty as established domains act as cartels? It seems that
| so much new progress is being made in AI/ML.
|
| I wonder what the next "internet" will be. I only started out
| with Netscape Navigator in 1998. I remember reading HTML for
| dummies and thinking its so easy to do by hand. Then I discovered
| geocities and I can drag & drop? Then I stopped paying attention
| for like a few years until I discovered PHP.
|
| I really miss the aesthetics of late 90s websites
| hbn wrote:
| > I really miss the aesthetics of late 90s websites
|
| You should check this out:
|
| https://wiby.me
|
| Here's the first page I got on a roll of the "surprise me"
| button just now:
|
| http://texaschainsawmassacre.net/Music/
| upupandup wrote:
| omg!!! i loved it, got a big dose of nostalgia
| Swizec wrote:
| Maybe 4 years just isn't long enough for history to form? Hard
| to recognize pivotal moments as they are happening.
| tiborsaas wrote:
| WebAssembly should definitively be on the list.
| dang wrote:
| Related:
|
| _The Web from 1989 to 1994_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27928020 - July 2021 (22
| comments)
| hyakosm wrote:
| Where is the Apache (httpd) server?
| jaredcwhite wrote:
| 1994 was a wild time. I'm pretty sure that's when I first
| connected to the internet and got my first e-mail address (at
| cello.gina.calstate.edu!). Using Mosaic and soon Netscape
| Navigator for the first time was nothing short of mind-blowing.
| By 1996, I was publishing my own websites, and then in 1997
| someone paid me to build _them_ a website. 25 years later, I 'm
| still getting paid to build websites. What a ride!
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