[HN Gopher] Tiddlyhost is a free hosting platform for TiddlyWiki
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Tiddlyhost is a free hosting platform for TiddlyWiki
Author : memorable
Score : 80 points
Date : 2022-05-26 11:22 UTC (11 hours ago)
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| axg11 wrote:
| A hosted self-hosted note taking tool - recursion error. In all
| seriousness, there is a version of the internet I imagined where
| instead of subscription SaaS, all apps/tools were standalone
| pieces of software that you could choose to deploy wherever you
| wanted. Companies would provide 1-click methods to self-host on
| whichever cloud provider you desire.
| brunno wrote:
| Heroku is getting a lot of backlash lately but they have the
| "Deploy to Heroku" button that a lot of open source projects
| seem to have integraded well. I used it a couple of times and
| it worked really well. I see it sometimes in READMEs on GitHub
| repos.
|
| If this could become a standard adopted by other cloud
| providers we could have the internet you imagined.
| Wuzado wrote:
| Saw a lot of DigitalOcean ones too.
| kixiQu wrote:
| I mean, that kind of _is_ what we 're talking about here -- at
| any time you can switch between saving your stuff locally vs.
| self hosting with the Node server vs. a hosted option like
| this.
| JoelMcCracken wrote:
| This isn't actually relevant to this link per se, but every time
| I tried to use TiddlyWiki, I found it to be essentially broken. I
| always try the self-hosted options, but never have gotten any to
| work. I should try again, but I use org mode for my own personal
| stuff, and I generally like it a lot.
| ushakov wrote:
| RyEgswuCsn wrote:
| It's obviously salestalk --- the tiddlywiki community imho is
| in fact quite modest.
| kkfx wrote:
| While as an Emacs-er I have obviously not much interest in it,
| for some aspects it's relatively revolutionary:
|
| - it have a unique concept of transclusion, notes can have tags
| and calling tags allow transclusion of all matching notes in
| the current one, a very nice composition idea, especially since
| you choose between transclusion and link;
|
| - notes are created, with a companion app saved, full-text
| searched with a very simple UI, better than similar small wikis
| like Zim;
|
| - it's js/web nature is a turn off, but might be interesting
| for many since this days is an easy to share media, easy to
| serve locally (see for instance widdler);
|
| - it's simple but still a bit featured, like attachment
| support, image rendering in-line, LaTeX math rendering etc and
| it's moderately easy to mold with web stuff.
|
| Personally I consider both Tiddly Wiki and Zim wiki two best
| example of modern apps well done with all limits of modern apps
| in general compared to classic systems. All other desktop tools
| for notes I know are far, far, far less interesting then those.
| gglitch wrote:
| It would be fun to reimplement Tiddlywiki as an Emacs app.
| anthrospeak wrote:
| Yes!
| whatusername wrote:
| When I last used it -- it was pretty cool. It was a "web app"
| that you saved as a .html file to your computer and just opened
| in the browser (no back-end, no web-server, all-local). I'm not
| sure how much browsers have locked that down now.
| fsiefken wrote:
| it's pretty awesome and inspired new projects. nowadays i use
| logseq, but conceivably i could share the markdown with
| tiddlywiki. it's also very good that you can use private
| sharable tiddlywiki's on the site. great for working together
| on projects.
| dumpsterlid wrote:
| I think Dokuwiki is the coolest self hosted wiki by far
| copperx wrote:
| Cooler than Tiddlywiki?
| jszymborski wrote:
| I personally prefer it
| copperx wrote:
| Any particular reason?
| jszymborski wrote:
| I have a personal preference for the traditional wiki
| presentation of DokuWiki. Each page is a document with
| links to another.
|
| TiddlyWiki's dynamic web app approach of a feed of notes
| spawning from one another is a harder mental model for
| me. Kinda feels like a desktop with index cards
| continuously being added which adds a lot of overhead and
| frankly anxiety.
| karencarits wrote:
| It may not fit your use, but the node.js version has a
| text file per tiddler (.tid) and there is also a "show
| only one tiddler at the time"-mode. To test the latter,
| just open https://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FCo
| ntrolPanel%2F... and click "zoomin"
| karlshea wrote:
| I've been using it for over 10 years now for client notes and
| it's great!
| raybb wrote:
| I tried Tiddlywiki a few years ago and it was fun but I just was
| too often switching between devices to deal with the pain of
| keeping it up to date.
|
| I never really moved to another wiki solution but more just kept
| notes in different notetaking apps like Joplin (and currently
| Obsidian).
|
| I'm curious what use case tiddlywiki (or similar wikis) solve for
| you that aren't solved by notetaking apps? I love the idea of
| collaborating on wikis (and do contribute to wikipedia) but for
| most of my notes I feel like a wiki is overkill.
| h0p3 wrote:
| Here's mine, nomad: https://philosopher.life/.
| karencarits wrote:
| Well, TiddlyWiki is a much more general platform than any
| notetaking app that I know of.
|
| I use it more as a single-file database with an integrated
| front-end. Data are organized as tiddlers wih fields (if the
| wiki is about books, I can add fields for author, publication
| year, rating, and I can have other tiddlers for quotes or my
| thoughts on the book with other fields) that can be filtered
| and presented as I want without requiring advanced programming
| knowledge.
|
| It plays nicely with git, doesn't require a server, can be
| e-mailed, doesn't require special software to view or edit,
| easy to share, cross-platform, looks similar on all platforms,
| can be used for sensitive data (as I can keep it locked down on
| my harddrive), and will probably work in 20 years.
|
| Have a look at https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM
| to see what people have used tiddlywiki for.
| snacksy wrote:
| rpdillon wrote:
| Tiddlywiki is underrated for personal notetaking, I think. Like
| sqlite, it can come across as a toy, but the more you study it,
| the more possibilities emerge.
|
| I come from Emacs and have worked in Org Mode for years, but I
| use Tiddlywiki every day to manage my work and personal notes.
| One of the most notable aspects of Tiddlywiki is that its
| interface is built from tiddlers, so, as a user of the wiki, you
| have full access to customize not just themes and content of the
| wiki, but everything about how it works. In this way, it reminds
| me very much of Emacs: a toolkit from which you build a system
| that suits you.
|
| In addition, because it is self contained, it is not tied to
| today's software ecosystem. I can take a Tiddlywiki from years
| ago and open it on any machine with a browser...there's no
| install and no dependencies that might go stale. This takes the
| loqseq/Obsidian/Joplin philosophy of "I can take my notes with me
| to any system" and extends it to the system itself: "I can take
| my system to any computer, both now and later". I use Tiddlywiki
| to generate my website as well, but this requires using the npm
| module. Notably, even the npm module is dependency-free[0].
|
| Personal example: I found that I think in terms of logs:
| recurring meetings are kept as a log, my daily notes are kept as
| a log, and projects I work on are kept as a log. Even my TODO
| items are logs of my efforts and findings as a work through the
| task. To support this more seamlessly, I've built a log-centric
| extension to Tiddlywiki that allows me to turn any tiddler into a
| logging tiddler. It has a text box that I type into at the top of
| the tiddler, and every time I press Ctrl-Enter, a log entry is
| added to the body of that tiddler. Because this system uses tag-
| based aggregation, a log entry can belong to multiple logs (the
| day it happened, the project it was related to, the recurring
| meeting where the idea was mentioned, etc.)
|
| I don't think my system is for everyone, but that's kind of the
| point: Tiddlywiki is a system that allows you to build the system
| that suits you best.
|
| [0]: https://www.npmjs.com/package/tiddlywiki
| anthrospeak wrote:
| Would you be willing to share an empty version of your
| TiddlyWiki with the log extension and example content?
| rpdillon wrote:
| For sure. I'm all about open source and sharing code with
| community, but always feel like it's not ready yet. =) I'll
| carve out time this weekend to push something up and share it
| publicly.
| copperx wrote:
| Tiddlywiki is exactly what I want as a note-taking system,
| except for one detail: image handling. I have heaps of
| screenshots that I want to store along with my notes, and
| Tiddlywiki either:
|
| 1) embeds the image into the wiki itself (not sustainable); or
|
| 2) requires you to create image tiddlers with a _canonical_uri
| pointing to an external image file (which makes the Wiki not
| self-contained). This works but it's not as simple as drag and
| drop like in, say, Obsidian.
|
| This small friction is the only reason I've picked a different
| tool for note-taking.
| rpdillon wrote:
| Agreed. I'm working on an extension that allows pasting of
| e.g. screenshots. It requires two components: a change to the
| wiki itself to trap the paste event and detect an image and
| call the backend to store it, and a server that can accept a
| POST that stores the images alongside the wiki. I needed the
| backend to support seamless saving via WebDAV anyway, so this
| was a small update to that code. I've finished the backend
| portion, but I'm still working on the frontend; I want it
| work in both the normal tiddler editor as well as my log-
| based extension.
|
| I'm excited to get it working, but it does break the "all in
| one HTML file" aspect. I'm OK with that: I can archive the
| directory of images alongside the wiki, but it might not be
| for everyone.
| Datagenerator wrote:
| Good to hear, please keep the number of possibilities high
| by storing the images just as files. Do you have public
| code to test or follow for interested TW5 users? Thanks!
| rpdillon wrote:
| Yes, the images are just files in a directory called "s"
| (for static) that sits alongside my wikis. I've describe
| this system a few times, but this is the first time I've
| gotten some interested replies. I have a long weekend
| this weekend; I'll take a stab at cranking through the
| frontend code and making it available publicly.
| AlanYx wrote:
| Another source of friction with Tiddlywiki is the interface.
| To create a tiddler, you need to enter a title, then tab to
| the tag name field, then tab to the content field, enter your
| content, and then there's no way to tab to the "Add" button;
| you have to pick up the mouse and click it. If you're using
| tags or categories, there's even more friction.
|
| I love it conceptually, but if you're entering short discrete
| information (e.g., a number of todos, each as their own
| tiddler), it's more work than it needs to be.
| rpdillon wrote:
| Agreed. This is precisely why I built the logging system:
| it removes the need to add titles, and makes creation as
| simple as Ctrl-Enter.
|
| Unlike many of the popular tools, it's got primitives one
| can compose to a solution that's smooth and fast, but
| doesn't provide it out of the box. I hope more tiddlywiki
| "distros" will be shared that bridge the gap.
| karencarits wrote:
| I think this may be a nice place for people to approach and learn
| programming; it is easy to make things that just works by
| combining HTML, CSS and tiddlywiki syntax. Not having to deal
| with dependencies or special software or compilation etc makes it
| a great place to experiment, play and learn, and one can make
| quite sophisticated things with it; ranging from
| !! People I know This is a list of people I know
| <table> <$list filter="[tag[People]]"> <tr><td>{{
| !!firstname}}</td><td>{{!!surname}}</td><td>{{!!phonenumber}}</td
| ></tr> </$list> </table>
|
| to https://projectify-demo.tiddlyhost.com/
| IceWreck wrote:
| Tiddlywiki is great but if youre looking for something more
| advanced then you might want to look at DokuWiki (very plugin
| centric) or Bookstack, my favourite these days which is a
| batteries included type of wiki.
| kixiQu wrote:
| Can you explain what you mean by "advanced"?
| IceWreck wrote:
| By advanced I meant something that has more features. No Wiki
| has everything but TiddlyWiki is more oriented towards
| personal use than group use. I was referring to more
| collaboration features, API access etc.
| kixiQu wrote:
| You can also host a Tiddlywiki on Glitch and I think it's the
| smoothest way to let someone try it, bar none. I put together a
| project there with some scripts to automatically load in a theme,
| plugins, etc.: https://glitch.com/edit/#!/soapy-chalk-maiasaura
| BLKNSLVR wrote:
| I seem to mention this for all related note-taking time, but I
| use Noteself, an 'extension' of tiddlywiki to use a local in-
| browser tiddlypouch database which has the option of being
| synchronised to a couchdb back-end which, in my case, I self-
| host.
|
| This gives me 'anywhere on the internet' access to my notes. I
| can also save a single, local html file containing the entirety
| of said notes which is handy for distributed, ad-hoc backups.
|
| Featherwiki was recently on the front page, which doesn't have
| the maturity of tiddlywiki, but has potential.
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