[HN Gopher] Zettelkasten, linking your thinking, and Nick Milo's...
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Zettelkasten, linking your thinking, and Nick Milo's search for
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Author : taurusnoises
Score : 90 points
Date : 2022-05-25 16:52 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| jklinger410 wrote:
| Warning: Slightly Off Topic.
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| I use Obsidian, which has Zettelkasten capabilities built in (I
| think).
|
| But I don't use those capabilities. I just write things in daily
| notes as they come to mind, and use the search in order to find
| every mention of a given topic.
|
| I have never felt more empowered by a writing system in my life.
| I think the key is to avoid complexity at all costs, and empower
| through search. I could add complexity on my end, of course, and
| properly tag and organize things. But what if we introduced a
| low-level AI/Machine Learning plugin that could enrich the search
| function and determine tangential topics and intent?
|
| Then you could just dump your brain into a text box and sort it
| out later. This is the way.
| for_i_in_range wrote:
| I don't believe it has Zettelkasten capabilities built in.
| You're referring to the Zettelkasten ID toggle button. In
| actuality, that ID was invented by the creators of
| Zettelkasten.de (people who I like, though disagree with on
| several points--I'm an analog diehard); these socalled
| Zettelkasten IDs are prepended with a timestamp. That's all.
| The originator of Zettelkasten, Niklas Luhmann, did not use
| these types of IDs at all. Unfortunately this confusion now has
| forked Zettelkasten into two different systems, yet they use
| the same term.
|
| IMO, the digital Zettelkasten should be rebranded "Hyperlinked
| Notes".
|
| And the term Zettelkasten should refer to the analog notebox
| system Luhmann used.
|
| But I don't run the world, so that's what we're stuck with. For
| this reason I adopted the term Antinet to dilineate. (Antinet
| Zettelkasten).
| for_i_in_range wrote:
| You nailed it with this piece.
|
| The goal of Niklas Luhmann (Zettelkasten) = written output
| (tangible). The goal of Nik Milo (LYT) = contemplation
| (intangible).
|
| Niklas Luhmann didn't partake in PKM; he did Analog Knowledge
| Development. He did this in order to _write_ and produce--
| specifically in creating a thirty-year theory of everything for
| sociology.
|
| For the past year, I've been teaching how Luhmann's workflow
| actually worked (using his same tools--pen and notecards). Here's
| my YouTube channel which may help understand his workflow:
| https://youtu.be/YfMNwusO6fk
|
| Update: I didn't realize this was you who wrote this, Bob! You
| already know about me so I didn't need to post my stuff and
| continue to advertise myself everywhere (like I can't help but
| do!)
| taurusnoises wrote:
| It's me, dude! :) (and thanks for reading!)
| for_i_in_range wrote:
| Haha, I just realized (I updated my initial post). I'll post
| this on Antinet Reddit now.
| taurusnoises wrote:
| Oh, by all means, advert. We all hustlin.
| DevX101 wrote:
| Linking Your Thinking was overly complicated system that
| introduced levels of abstractions in order to have a catchy
| framework the author can explain for a 6-week $1200 course:
| A.C.C.E.S.S. Despite the this post's claims, it's basically
| Zettelkasten with additional folders for your projects, and Maps
| of Contents (notes about large topic areas). That said, the free
| LYT Kit 6, has a really beautiful theme and default plugins for
| Obsidian and I use it as a starter-kit after deleting all the
| folders.
|
| Seconding the other comment that this 16 minute video will get
| you 95% of the way there.
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6ySG7xYgjY
|
| One app I can really recommend is Readwise for anyone building a
| linked knowledge system. It's a great way to ingest all the
| content you come across (Tweets, books, articles, podcasts) into
| a single place, and become your source of truth. Then using the
| Readwise plugin, this can populate your raw reference notes in
| your Obsidian vault.
| [deleted]
| shepherdjerred wrote:
| Do people really go all-in with these systems? Is it worth the
| steep investment?
| epolanski wrote:
| I have tried some.
|
| They never stuck and felt more of chores than frameworks.
|
| I think that the first thing you need to clarify is the goal of
| your notes and then try some relevant system and adapt it.
| azeirah wrote:
| Obsidian is not complicated, it's a markdown editor with
| optional plugins.
|
| The workflows people imagine around them are complicated.
|
| I use it in a way that is similar to the 16 minute video posted
| elsewhere in this thread, and it works well for me.
|
| Biggest benefits for me are:
|
| 1. Finding references, before using obsidian I would recall
| reading something somewhere but would be unable to find the so
| source
|
| 2. I remember stuff I write about better. I use it a lot for
| work, software engineering, so I summarize new ideas and
| concepts as notes which makes it so much easier to remember and
| understand
|
| The important part of that is that it forces me to break ideas
| down into manageable chunks. I can't make a note about
| "everything you need to know about react 18", but I can make a
| note about "React 18's useTransition hook prioritizes rendering
| of user input".
|
| 3. It's fun! I've always enjoyed writing, and always enjoyed
| customizing editors and IDEs, obsidian is a great fit for that.
| It's exclusively for so writing and organization, so now I have
| two main programs, my coding editor and my writing editor.
|
| 4. The program also just works really really well. Evernote is
| bloated and has weird updates, emacs is insanely complicated
| and maybe just a little bit too powerful? Roam and friends are
| too chaotic for me, I don't function well with 0 structure. All
| simple markdown programs I used lacked good syncing, although
| sublime text with Dropbox came close. But obsidian just syncs
| perfectly, and has a very performant application on all devices
| I use, and yes I'm crazy enough to use all three of windows,
| Linux and Mac os as well as mobile... I like variety
|
| Still, a lot of what obsidian does can be achieved with
| alternatives. Sublime works well with Dropbox, if you're in the
| apple ecosystem then Apple notes is great! Regular text editors
| or traditional note taking apps are still very viable.
|
| In the end it's about what you do. If you are a knowledge
| worker, or even more particularly a researcher/ academic you
| need a good solution for organizing your references, notes,
| ideas etc. Obsidian is a great choice for that.
|
| Otherwise don't bother unless you find it fun or interesting.
| kurupt213 wrote:
| I don't know how I never came across this before yesterday's
| post.
| kevinslin wrote:
| Zettelkasten was a tool designed for a very specific purpose but
| of late, is the proverbial hammer that is being applied to
| everything. As the founder of a note taking tool (dendron.so), I
| see lots of new users trying out PKM for the first time because
| they heard about zettelkastenw hen all they needed was a bullet
| journal instead.
|
| This is my first time coming across LYT - thanks for the writeup!
| taurusnoises wrote:
| Thanks so much for reading. I hear great things about Dendron
| from those who use (and swear by) it.
| SkyMarshal wrote:
| Linking Your Thinking (what the article is about) [1] also has a
| good YouTube channel teaching its methodology with Obsidian [2].
|
| I also like this guide on simplicity in Zettelkasten [3]. TLDR:
| the benefits of Zettelkasten don't increase with complexity.
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| [1]:https://www.linkingyourthinking.com/
|
| [2]:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC85D7ERwhke7wVqskV_DZUA/pla.
| ..
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| [3]:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6ySG7xYgjY
| ad404b8a372f2b9 wrote:
| PKM: Personal knowledge management
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