[HN Gopher] CTemplar Is Shutting Down
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CTemplar Is Shutting Down
Author : foolishhunter
Score : 51 points
Date : 2022-05-18 14:43 UTC (8 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (ctemplar.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (ctemplar.com)
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| system2 wrote:
| Yet another reason why I use mainstream email providers. I cannot
| mess with my emails and have only few days to migrate when
| providers (developers) decide to ditch the project.
| dilap wrote:
| Mainstream provider: Eventually you'll get falsely flagged by
| some automated abuse system and you'll lose your account.
|
| Niche provider: Eventually they'll go out of business and
| you'll lose your account.
|
| Solution? Web3 somehow? Urbit maybe?? Something else?
|
| (I discovered the other day I can't just login to Gmail
| anymore; I have to have a device with me I've logged on with
| before. E.g. right now I'm outside w/ my computer and phone --
| if someone came by and stealthily stole both, I think I'd lose
| my gmail account!)
| pm3003 wrote:
| Own the domain name if you need it. Save your data with the
| Golden Rule.
| hifikuno wrote:
| Golden rule? I couldn't find anything relating to this with
| a quick internet search.
| wahnfrieden wrote:
| you'll have even less notice when google decides to block you
| without recourse or reason given
| hugg wrote:
| Any speculations as to why? Can't find anything
| nazgulsenpai wrote:
| `CTemplar said they were "actively refusing investments,
| donations or grants from governments and corporations." This
| clearly turned out not to be viable, at least in this case.`[0]
|
| This sounds like as good an explanation as any.
|
| [0]https://reclaimthenet.org/private-email-provider-ctemplar-
| is...
| jacooper wrote:
| They lost all emails recently, and as per the other comments
| they were limiting their funding options.
|
| In addition to that, their pricing was very expensive with a
| sub-par experience compared to Protonmail, which has improved
| massively in the last year.
|
| https://cyber-privacy.net/ctemplar-catastrophic-incident-wit...
| dimgl wrote:
| > cyber-privacy.net
|
| Blasts the user with one of the sketchiest examples of ad
| malware I've seen in years.
| cornstalks wrote:
| FYI that website is hijacked by a hostile ad (ironically for
| an ad blocker) when accessing it from my iOS device, making
| the page inaccessible due to HTTP redirects and whatnot.
| bachmeier wrote:
| To be honest, my question would be why this wouldn't have
| happened. Their cheapest plan was more than Fastmail
| Professional - while delivering less product than Fastmail
| Basic and not having anything approaching the Fastmail brand. I
| have a hard time understanding why anyone would have used their
| service.
| tasn wrote:
| Running an email service is just damn hard and it's hard to get
| people to pay for it. Even if you have the privacy angle.
|
| There's just so much abuse going on, and when you are privacy
| first you limit your ability to fight abuse which makes things
| much worse. :(
| ancientsofmumu wrote:
| CTemplar as a service has no integration with standard
| protocols (SMTP, IMAP, CardDav, CalDav, etc.) even if you paid.
| It is/was a walled garden solution that can only be used with
| it's web portal or mobile client; when I was evaluating non-
| GMail solutions to de-Google it was an instant "nope" in my
| evaluations. It does not fit in the same category as other
| general purpose email solution providers.
| tasn wrote:
| Yeah, but it's the case with all of them. ProtonMail,
| Tutanota, etc, all of them are walled gardens that try to
| shove you into their proprietary lands.
|
| I created EteSync[1] a contacts, calendars and tasks sync
| solution that's e2ee and privacy respecting but people kept
| on asking us to integrate with one of the above email
| solutions. Though they are all closed and don't interoperate.
| :(
|
| [1] https://www.etesync.com
| Klonoar wrote:
| ProtonMail has plenty of escape hatches, I wouldn't call
| them a walled garden.
| anilakar wrote:
| As to how to migrate old email messages between services, good
| old drag and drop in Thunderbird is likely still the best way to
| go.
| pseudostem wrote:
| I always thought we couldn't have our own mail clients with
| services like ctemplar and protonmail. Will have to recheck.
| jordemort wrote:
| I moved a couple domains over to Zoho recently and they have a
| really nice tool to import mail from other accounts - only
| relevant if you're planning on going to Zoho though.
| Nextgrid wrote:
| I'd recommend imapsync: https://imapsync.lamiral.info
| tut-urut-utut wrote:
| Unfortunately not, it isn't. Tried to do it when migrating from
| Google to Mailfence, but gave up since it missed some messages,
| randomly timed out and couldn't continue.
|
| In the end I had to remove all messages, and process them using
| Claws client, which gives much better control and a feedback
| which messages were transferred and which failed. The only
| issue I had is that some messages were transferred multiple
| times, but Claws even has a solution for that by using "delete
| duplicate messages".
| scintill76 wrote:
| Seconded, though it may have been a decade since I tried. I
| recall the GUI locking up and probably didn't complete the
| operation. Even ~2 years ago, I had similar issues just
| trying to move a few hundred messages between folders on the
| same IMAP server. IIRC it worked, but takes a lot of
| patience. That time, I also didn't really care if it ate
| those messages instead of moving them.
|
| I wouldn't trust Thunderbird for more than a few dozen
| messages I could hand-verify. For anything more, use a
| dedicated tool that provides logs and can gracefully restart.
| ancientsofmumu wrote:
| I'm a (paying) Mailfence customer as well, and use it as a
| destination sync backup of my primary domain using imapsync,
| encountered a similar problem so opened a ticket to Support.
|
| The general problem is that Mailfence has what I guess you
| could call DDoS protections in place and opening too many
| simultaneous IMAP threads trips their defenses. I have my
| ~/.mbsyncrc set to only use one thread when writing to
| Mailfence to avoid tripping the trigger and it runs like
| clockwork now (cron timer doing IMAP sync writes from the
| primary). $0.02, hope this helps.
| tut-urut-utut wrote:
| Thanks for the confirmation. I supposed it was some kind of
| rate limiting. I guess Claws worked for me since its IMAP
| operations are single threaded, and with Thunderbird, it
| was easy to trigger multiple parallel connections, e.g., by
| opening an IMAP folder while copying of messages is
| running.
| criddell wrote:
| You transferred your email from Google to a different host
| and you used Claws to do it? How did that work?
| tut-urut-utut wrote:
| Installed Claws and configured both old Gmail and new IMAP
| account locally.
|
| Basically, I did it semi-manual, since it was the only way
| it worked.
|
| Clicked to "get all messages" on the Gmail account. This is
| important. Otherwise, it would need to first fetch messages
| before doing the copy.
|
| For smaller labels / folders, I was just right-clicking
| label and choosing copy. It would then create a folder in
| the new account and copy all messages. For labels with a
| lot of messages, I would create a folder manually, open a
| label by clicking on it, select manually let's say 500
| messages, and calling copy. If copy is successful, I'll
| mark copied messages in another colour, and proceed copying
| the next bunch.
|
| In case of any error, and there will be errors, I would
| just retry copying. That way, I ended up with duplicated
| messages in the target folder, but that was easy to clean
| up using Claws option to remove duplicated messages in the
| folder. The errors may be due to network timeouts, rate
| limiting on both Gmail and new provider side.
|
| It may be tedious if you have many folders with many
| messages. I wanted to avoid using any external tools for
| the purpose, and was too lazy to try to program something.
| YMMV.
|
| I also took the chance to actually clean and reorganize my
| mail archive as a part of the process, and ended up not
| transferring / deleting two thirds of my mail archive
| during the process.
| foolishhunter wrote:
| I'm a paying customer and found out about this by chance! They
| don't give any notice besides this blog post. There is only one
| week left.
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