[HN Gopher] King George and Tsar Nicolas Looked a Lot Alike
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King George and Tsar Nicolas Looked a Lot Alike
Author : _bramses
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Date : 2022-05-17 17:44 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| alanh wrote:
| polishdude20 wrote:
| Eh.. I don't see the same resemblance. I mean Justin is no
| Pierre but he's not a Castro from what I can see.
| yonaguska wrote:
| You're the first person I've ever heard of that doesn't see
| the resemblance there.
| _whiteCaps_ wrote:
| He looks more like Jays player Dave Lemanczyk.
|
| https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Dzldde7rwJDwke-Mop_9rk6aggs=...
| tomatowurst wrote:
| Why is reincarnation such a difficult concept to grasp for
| Westerners?
| marcusverus wrote:
| Meh. They're the same height and have the _exact_ same nose, but
| the other eye-catching similarities (same hair color, same
| haircut, same beard /stache, same regal countenance) are
| superficial. If they had different haircuts, shaved faces, and
| were captured in a more candid scene, I'm not sure that we'd see
| much of a similarity.
|
| Here's another image[0] of them in which they look less like
| twins (ignoring the over-the-top superficial similarities). [0]ht
| tps://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/106/590x/King-G...
| JasonFruit wrote:
| Yes, the eyes and the shape of the brow are totally different.
| It's interesting that the uniform of nobility, like that of a
| soldier or a fast-food worker, deemphasizes individuality.
| Reason077 wrote:
| > _" It's interesting that the uniform of nobility, like that
| of a soldier or a fast-food worker, deemphasizes
| individuality."_
|
| In this photo they're both wearing German military uniforms.
| It was taken in Berlin in 1913.
| germinalphrase wrote:
| But emphasizes rank which is logical. We are the same, but I
| am better.
| JasonFruit wrote:
| It subordinates the person to the office.
| jltsiren wrote:
| That's what life was supposed to be until recently. You
| were your role, and in most cases you were born into it.
| The current middle class idea that you can assume
| different roles in different situations is the weird
| exception.
| luckydata wrote:
| they could still be brothers. I know couples of brothers that
| look way more different than they did.
| irrational wrote:
| Seriously. I have one brother with olive skin, jet black
| hair and black eyes (like our mother) while I have
| extremely pale skin, very blond hair and light blue eyes
| (like our father). I don't think anyone would ever think we
| are related.
| px43 wrote:
| I know of two colors for olives, shiny black and bright
| green. I never quite understood which of those two colors
| are meant by "olive skin", but if I met anyone with skin
| of either color it would be a first for me. Maybe there's
| another color of olive that I'm unfamiliar with.
|
| https://i.imgur.com/VZ6Slh6.jpg
|
| Sorry for the total non-sequitur, that phrase has always
| just tickled my brain in a funny way and I would love to
| get to the bottom of that particular mystery.
| joseph wrote:
| I've thought the same, but reading your comment made me
| realize it's probably the wood.
|
| https://imgur.com/gallery/TpA1e
| abathur wrote:
| Or the oil?
| loudthing wrote:
| I don't think this image is helping your case.
| sydthrowaway wrote:
| Look like non twin brothers to me.
| Tao332 wrote:
| > they look less like twins
|
| I've met twins that looked less alike than those cousins do.
| parenthesis wrote:
| Those beards are pretty hip.
| hprotagonist wrote:
| https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/nine-kings-one-photo/
|
| family reunion time!
| aasasd wrote:
| Funny enough, both seemed to have carried their haircuts through
| all, or at least most of life since late adolescence (dunno about
| earlier). Perhaps so that they could be told apart by that
| detail.
| franky47 wrote:
| They were recently both portrayed (along with their third cousin
| Kaiser Wilhelm II) by Tom Hollander in The King's Man (2021).
| scintill76 wrote:
| FYI, probably downvoted because this is the first line of the
| article.
| ajcp wrote:
| This is a well commented upon outcome[0]. White males in similar
| clothing, hair-style, and beard = doppelganger.
|
| 0: https://i.redd.it/9kap3p05rpg41.png
| BbzzbB wrote:
| I mean, are these not doppelgangers?
| tshaddox wrote:
| I mean, the pictures aren't super clear, but I don't know.
| When the qualities that are in common between the two people
| are themselves quite common and not particularly distinct,
| I'd hardly call them doppelgangers. Being in the same broad
| range of BMI and having roughly the same hair color and
| eyeglasses color isn't really enough. Maybe the long
| dreadlocks are distinct enough to count.
|
| I suppose specific scenarios like being sat next to someone
| on an airplane also lowers the threshold of notability. The
| guys with light hair and a beard probably justifies a selfie,
| but I still wouldn't use the term "doppelganger." To me a
| doppelganger is someone who looks so much like you that if
| you caught a glimpse of them in a crowd you'd think "whoa, I
| can't believe there's someone out there who looks that much
| like me."
| [deleted]
| zeven7 wrote:
| Given that the two monarchs that are the subject of this thread
| are very closely related, I don't get all the dismissals of
| this being a superficial likeness.
|
| They literally have extremely similar genetics. They should
| look similar. There aren't any _gotchas_.
| ajcp wrote:
| Yes, that is the joke. The fact that there is an internet
| meme that describes common traits of people that come across
| their "doppelganger" in the wild and these two related men
| exhibit them save for the glasses is the joke.
| [deleted]
| DontMindit wrote:
| OnlyMortal wrote:
| Maybe they're related?
| neaden wrote:
| They were cousins.
| subsubzero wrote:
| You would be surprised how similar someone looks to another when
| they dress alike, have a covering that obscures half their
| face(beards that are similar in this picture) and have a similar
| haircut/skin tone. Looking at that picture if you look at just
| their eyes and eyebrows you can then see the differences, I think
| if they were clean shaven they may look more dissimilar.
| gurooj wrote:
| And when they're multi-generationally incestuous first cousins
| ...
| arcanus wrote:
| I disagree. There has always appeared to me to be a wide
| variety of beard sizes and shapes.
|
| I know men who cannot grow a beard. I can only grow a thin,
| straight beard, and I have friends with thick beards that curl
| around.
| greggsy wrote:
| The archetypal gym junkie with beard and top knot all look
| the same to me
| Hacktrick wrote:
| Yea ofc they did. They were cousins.
| throwk8s wrote:
| They were cousins on paper. Given the breeding history of the
| European nobility, they may have been near-clones as a result
| of pedigree collapse.
| jagermo wrote:
| that family tree looks more like a wreath.
| robonerd wrote:
| The family braid.
| unmole wrote:
| Is it just me or do they don't actually look a lot alike? I can't
| see a single facial feature that the both of them share.
| soperj wrote:
| Seriously? they both have attached earlobes.
| unmole wrote:
| As does half the human population. What is even your point?
| cgriswald wrote:
| He was responding to this statement:
|
| > I can't see a single facial feature that the both of them
| share.
| tshaddox wrote:
| Context is important. They both also lack a proboscis,
| but that also doesn't count.
| cgriswald wrote:
| Context is important. The only claim made was that the
| original commenter was unable to find a shared facial
| feature. The respondent gave an example of one.
| Everything else was just people expressing their surprise
| at what other people do or do not see because of what
| they do or do not see.
| WorldMaker wrote:
| That's how you can tell none of them are the real Count de
| Bleuchamp.
|
| (This is a plotline from the Bond movie On Her Majesty's
| Secret Service.)
| cgriswald wrote:
| If you look at other pictures, it's easy to see they don't look
| any more alike than any two relatives, even at the ages they
| are in this photo.
|
| In this photo I think several effects combine to convince
| people they share similar looks. The first is the power of
| suggestion: We've been told they look alike. The second is the
| same beard style covering half their faces. The third is that
| the light is soft and washes out their features, leading to any
| of their features seeming not too dissimilar even if they
| aren't the same. Since this happens for basically all of their
| features, the effect can make it seem like they look alike and
| to the extent it doesn't, see the power of suggestion above.
| anyfoo wrote:
| How does it feel to wear all that "stuff"?
| goatcode wrote:
| So do Prince Charles (Windsor) and Vlad the Impaler.
| seydor wrote:
| Very misleading. Cover their moustaches and you see the
| diffences. The pics are not even color. Nicolas was goodlooking
| [deleted]
| simo7 wrote:
| Not only they were cousins, in their private correspondence right
| before the outbreak of WWI they were addressing each other as
| Willy and Nicky[0]. By the way they fought against each other.
|
| 0:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willy%E2%80%93Nicky_correspond...
|
| edit: I meant the correspondence between the third cousin,
| Wilhelm II, and Tsar Nicholas.
| jonny_eh wrote:
| Kaiser Wilhelm doesn't look too different either.
| Animats wrote:
| "War: a massacre of people who don't know each other for the
| profit of people who know each other but don't massacre each
| other."
|
| Very much the case in 19th century Europe, where most of the
| royalty was related.
| riffraff wrote:
| There's a beautiful poem in roman dialect called "the war
| lullaby"[0] from this period. The last two stanzas speak of
| this, and go something like: Sleep tight, my
| darling while this mess goes on sleep well, as
| tomorrow we'll see the kings again
| exchanging pleasantries good friends as before
| they're cousins, and amongst relatives you don't need
| formalities, again will turn friendly the
| personal relations. And reunited among them
| with no sign of remorse they'll give a nice speech
| on Peace and Labour to that dumb people spared
| by the gun.
|
| [0] in italian/romanesco http://www.la-poesia.it/poesie-di-
| trilussa/trilussa-ninna-na...
| guelo wrote:
| I wouldn't translate "popolo cojone" as dumb people.
| EarthLaunch wrote:
| I became interested in this Italian word and found this[0]
| casual translation: "cojone: bad word, but very useful!
| referring to someone who's an asshole, and stupid persons
| in general".
|
| Some of the older English references[1] also seem negative:
| "English had it as cullion a 16c. term of contempt for a
| man, "a mean wretch" (Shakespeare) also "a testicle"
| (Chaucer), from Middle English coujon, coilon (late 14c.),
| from Old French coillon "testicle; worthless fellow, dolt,"
| from Latin coleus."
|
| I find that I can quite easily imagine the poet seeing
| people dying for these 'friends' while the stupid public
| (popolo cojone) attends a nice speech.
|
| 0: https://hinative.com/questions/10051415?locale=en-
| US#answer-...
|
| 1: https://www.etymonline.com/word/cojones
| magneticnorth wrote:
| How would you translate it?
| 01acheru wrote:
| A "coglione", which is the Italian word for the dialectal
| "cojone", is literally a testicle. Anyway you can also
| call someone a "coglione" and it means they are somewhere
| between dumb, jerk and ignorant.
| Iwan-Zotow wrote:
| They were relatives
| xdennis wrote:
| Yes, but it takes a lot of inbreeding for all of them to look
| alike.
| mistrial9 wrote:
| like this? https://www.bbc.com/news/science-
| environment-53059527
| MiscIdeaMaker99 wrote:
| They were 3rd cousins, meaning they had the same 2nd great
| grandparents.
| johnsonap wrote:
| 1st cousins actually. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_
| II_of_Russia#:~:text=...
| mmanfrin wrote:
| They were _first_ cousins, they were both grandchildren of
| Queen Victoria.
| RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote:
| Actually their common grandparent was not Queen Victoria,
| but rather King Christian of Denmark.
| cercatrova wrote:
| Reminds me of this Instagram account that people were talking
| about a while ago (and indeed the title of this article has the
| same naming format as the Instagram account) [0]. Hint, it's
| usually the opposite of what you might initially suspect.
|
| [0] https://www.instagram.com/siblingsordating/
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