[HN Gopher] Take my app ideas
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Take my app ideas
Author : jermaustin1
Score : 99 points
Date : 2022-05-13 15:25 UTC (2 days ago)
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| pie_flavor wrote:
| For the clipboard one, I use ClipboardFusion. Some of the most
| intuitive software I think I've ever used, second only to
| Microsoft Office.
| ricardobeat wrote:
| Pretty sure the "REDACTED" one is just for effect. The way back
| machine has the page archived from two days ago and doesn't show
| any changes.
| azhenley wrote:
| The post is nearly a month old.
| floucky wrote:
| Guys, I have the best (but also the worst) idea: an application
| where you can rent toilets !
| __del__ wrote:
| i've given it a bit of thought over the years, and a reputation
| system that accurately represents the stinking realities of
| letting someone use your toilet, and can identify creeps who'll
| listen at the door or video the entire event, seems to be the
| most difficult thing to solve. it seems like such a service
| would work well in civilized countries like mexico, and be an
| absolute shit show in the united states.
| errantmind wrote:
| Thinking app ideas are worth anything is naive. The nuance
| encountered while 'executing' dwarfs their significance. Anyone
| who has built anything knows this.
|
| The faster we collectively realize this, the faster we'll be able
| to reign in the excesses of IP law.
| bryanrasmussen wrote:
| >Thinking app ideas are worth anything is naive.
|
| lots of people are saying this here, I agree, pretty much,
| almost all the time, because almost all ideas are ideas that
| people have had. Especially when they are product ideas.
|
| But on the other hand, whenever I hear this ideas are
| worthless, I do get a reflexive kick in my gut against
| conventional bullshit that everyone has agreed to believe in to
| fight against the old fashioned bullshit people used to
| believe, which was that ideas were valuable in themselves. And
| when I get that little reflexive kick in my gut I think,
| amazingly these people have never heard about pagerank.
|
| I mean sure, without a good execution they wouldn't have
| anything, but the idea was definitely worth quite a bit more
| than "hey what if we made Yahoo, but improved the execution a
| bit?"
| bilater wrote:
| 1st is Sheet2Site 2nd is Twitter Spaces 3rd is one of a million
| premium clipboard chrome extensions
| corobo wrote:
| > <p>4. Good try.</p>
|
| Haha. Someone had to try looking at the git history, figured I
| had nothing better to do
| mentos wrote:
| I know ideas are a dime a dozen but can anyone recommend what the
| best market for ideas is?
| seanlinehan wrote:
| For idea #2, check out Attention:
| https://apps.apple.com/app/id1574914307
| joeatwork wrote:
| The Glide app, which takes spreadsheets and makes them into full
| featured apps and websites, fits the bill of one of these ideas.
| https://www.glideapps.com/
| spencerchubb wrote:
| The first one is basically notion
| joegahona wrote:
| This was my first thought too. I use this all the time for this
| reason.
| LaputanMachine wrote:
| Some app ideas from Krzysztof Kowalczyk (author of Sumatra PDF):
| https://blog.kowalczyk.info/article/e4132d5a44014b2aad81d815...
| thenerdhead wrote:
| The ironic part about free ideas is that there's many people who
| have productized ideas as a newsletter you pay for. Ideas are
| dime a dozen. Execution is what matters. Hardly anyone will even
| embark on an idea let alone do it well.
| hardwaresofton wrote:
| Guilty as charged
|
| https://unvalidated-ideas.vadosware.io
|
| Though my reasoning is more that I know I'll never get to
| executing on all the ideas I have so I hope someone else can
| validate and execute
| codazoda wrote:
| How do you monitize this, since it's free to sub?
| thenerdhead wrote:
| I assume by selling sponsorships or products like everyone
| else.
| hardwaresofton wrote:
| You're right! I do think a premium tier could work
| though.
|
| Kind of hard because ideas are somewhat worthless without
| execution!
| hardwaresofton wrote:
| Hey sorry getting to this late but two routes I laid out in
| the first issue:
|
| - premium tier (released 3 days early, higher Idea
| tier/grade average)
|
| - advertising blurb next to the tl;dr
|
| Will probably do one or the other -- that's all I can think
| of right now!
|
| I mentioned this in the first issue as well!
| jacknews wrote:
| lol, only 5 fairly crappy/generic/obvious ideas, one of which is
| presumably too good (or way too crappy) to share? Sorry to be
| harsh, but you can keep them.
|
| I always maintain that ideas can be valuable in themselves,
| against the repeated VC argument that 'ideas are worthless', but
| this is an example where the VCs are right.
| [deleted]
| kanonieer wrote:
| At first, this comment comes off as harsh but then considering
| the author's tone which essentially feels like him gracing the
| readers with a sprinkle of what he presumably considers a
| worthy charity.
|
| Some people are so full of themselves that they don't even
| realize how crass they might come across.
| bryans wrote:
| > Some people are so full of themselves that they don't even
| realize how crass they might come across.
|
| An appropriately ironic comment, given that you just
| arrogantly belittled someone while also accusing them of
| narcissism, despite the author plainly writing that they
| don't claim any of the ideas are good. Next time RTFA before
| spouting inflammatory nonsense.
|
| "I'd rather give my ideas away than let them go to waste. Who
| knows if they are even good? The hard part is the execution
| anyway."
| kanonieer wrote:
| It's my take on how the author comes off as. You're free to
| disagree, even if the crux of your argument is as silly as
| chanting "RTFA". It's good that you're passionate about
| your defense of the author but unfortunately you haven't
| convinced me.
| bryans wrote:
| You didn't offer a take on what the author said, as
| evidenced by the fact that the author made zero claims of
| grandeur or even goodness, and the entire premise of the
| article wasn't the ideas themselves, but to encourage
| other people to explore and share their old ideas whether
| they're good or not.
|
| So in this case, RTFA becomes really important and not
| some "silly chant." Because instead of reacting to what
| they actually wrote, you've instead concocted a story
| about this person in your head, and then attempted to
| belittle them for it.
|
| I challenge you to quote any line from the article where
| the author says anything remotely "full of themselves" or
| "crass." You won't be able to do it, because it doesn't
| exist, and you're just being shamefully inflammatory for
| no reason.
| kanonieer wrote:
| Still not convinced, sorry. If you're a friend of the
| author, tell him that's the way he came across _to me_.
| My take does not define him or present the absolute truth
| on his presence, so you can take a deep breath. :)
| bryans wrote:
| I simply asked you to copy and paste a single sentence to
| act as an example representative of your "take," but
| instead, you're deflecting and acting even more
| inflammatory. The simple fact is that you didn't read the
| article, and instead made derogatory comments about
| someone based on things they didn't say, and that has no
| place anywhere, much less HN.
| sixQuarks wrote:
| You're getting downvoted but I agree with you. Too many people
| have ideas where they haven't thought about monetization and/or
| they have no domain expertise.
|
| I've never seen an actual good biz idea that someone was
| willing to share online
| hunterb123 wrote:
| Noone said these were for a business.
|
| These are app ideas. You don't have to monetize everything,
| some things can just be for fun / rep / learning / sharing /
| etc.
| azhenley wrote:
| Exactly!
|
| "Why I prefer making useless stuff"
| https://austinhenley.com/blog/makinguselessstuff.html
| bentossell wrote:
| The first idea on the list: " Create an auto-updating website
| from a Google Doc or Sheet" can be done pretty easily already,
| without writing code.
|
| (I'm the founder of a company, Makerpad[*], that teaches people
| no-code)
|
| Glide[1] - lets you create apps from a google sheet. Set up the
| template connected to your data and as it updates, your app will
| too.
|
| Stacker[2] - build web-apps without code. Supports Airtable and
| most recently, Sheets.
|
| Softr[3] - similar for websites but using Airtable as the data
| source. I think Sheets support will come soon.
|
| Sheets2Site [4] - website builder with google sheets.
|
| For GoogleDocs you can use parameters in the doc that change
| using something like Zapier (disclaimer: they acquired my company
| last year). I haven't explored it the other way around eg. Data
| into a google doc updating something elsewhere.
|
| [0] https://www.makerpad.co/ [1] https://www.glideapps.com/ [2]
| https://www.stackerhq.com/ [3] https://www.softr.io/ [4]
| https://www.sheet2site.com/
| behnamoh wrote:
| just a quick feedback: your logo is very similar to Medium's.
| in fact, at first I thought you used Medium, in line with the
| company's mission to avoid code!
| Vladimof wrote:
| His logo is an M and Medium's logo is a globe?
| bowsamic wrote:
| One of mediums old logos was an M like this
| https://www.creativebloq.com/news/medium-reveals-a-new-
| logo-...
| Vladimof wrote:
| Also, maybe the M logo was already common before Medium
| came along... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201
| 5-06-08/how-77-me...
| bentossell wrote:
| Yeh never great with logos so just used an 'm' - haven't had
| any issues yet...
| dheera wrote:
| A few others
|
| - Neighbor wrath saver: Constantly listen for shower and other
| bathroom noises and shut off any alarms if the user is deemed
| to be inside the bathroom and unable to reach the phone.
|
| - Maps optimizer: Constantly listen to the accelerometer and if
| you determine the pattern to be the person running and there is
| a Facebook or Google calendar event starting within 30 minutes,
| automatically start navigating to it. If there are multiple
| simultaneous events in the calendar, try to determine which one
| the user is running towards and help the user reach that
| particular event. But also listen to the microphone and stop
| navigation if the user yells "shut up". Increase the font size
| and button size as well if the user is trying to operate phone
| while running.
|
| - Caltrain ticket optimizer: If your GPS location is
| approaching a Caltrain station and the train is due to arrive
| within 3 minutes such that you're worried about purchasing a
| ticket in time, automatically download the Caltrain app and
| purchase a ticket for you so you don't have to fiddle with the
| machine. Work with Caltrain Inc so that it can unpurchase the
| ticket if you don't actually board the train
|
| - Laundry optimizer: Automatically listen for sounds of laundry
| machines starting and remind you in 35 minutes later if it's
| the sound of a washer starting, or 45 minutes later if it's the
| sound of a dryer starting
|
| - Cooking optimizer: Use front camera to determine if the
| user's hand is full of flour, oil, egg and if so, enable voice
| control of the UI of sorts e.g. "scroll down slightly", "kill
| that popup", "don't lock screen for the next hour" etc.
|
| - Use the phone as a bluetooth mouse using the flashlight, rear
| camera, and accelerometer to determine motion on the table.
|
| ...
| stardenburden wrote:
| Everything but the last idea seem very annoying, prone to
| failure and highly battery-draining
| yjftsjthsd-h wrote:
| In particular, most of these require always on audio and in
| some cases video scanning and recognition. My distant
| memory is that you can record audio on a fairly small
| processor and power budget, but video is expensive no
| matter what you do, and running the sort of pattern
| recognition or worse yet machine learning needed to
| actually do anything useful with it would be murder on your
| battery if you were unplugged and on performance even if
| you weren't. (This might change with the wide availability
| of hardware specifically designed for these tasks (TPUs),
| but we're not quite there yet and I don't know how general
| that will ever be)
| dheera wrote:
| > very annoying
|
| They should use machine learning to learn how to not be
| annoying then. This is possible, it's just big companies
| have too much momentum to make useful products nowadays
|
| > highly battery-draining
|
| Having demand will will be motivation for better battery
| research.
| ajsnigrutin wrote:
| Why not just use wordpress + wysiwyg editor similar to *docs,
| and you're done?
| potatolicious wrote:
| - I'd have to set up the WP instance and maintain it. I'd
| have to manage the account(s) on it. I'd have to manage the
| plugins and all of the sundry parts of running a web service.
|
| - The WYSIWYG editor isn't as good as GDocs (or Word, or
| insert other popular apps)
|
| - Collaborative authoring is a pain. GDocs has this built in,
| via accounts everyone already has.
|
| The utility of ease of use/low-friction/lightweight-ness
| can't be overstated. Getting rid of even a small amount of
| friction from systems often pays itself back exponentially.
| vageli wrote:
| Now you have to set up accounts and manage wordpress versus
| sharing a google doc or something similar.
| bentossell wrote:
| I dont really like using WP. Lots of alternatives out there
| that do great stuff.
| motohagiography wrote:
| Whenever I see twitter/social clone ideas I think of a bar game
| from my snarky too-clever-by-half friends and I used to play in
| the 90s, we called "pitch it," where you had to express a tv show
| or movie as the pitch the writer made.
|
| Some gems included:
|
| - A guy and a sass-talking car fight crime together.
|
| - Seven Samurai meets the Equalizer, but with american war
| criminals.
|
| - Screwball comedy but with homages and tropes instead of sight
| gags and jokes, with an ensamble cast of has beens doing swan
| song performances.
|
| When I hear about twitter clones, the pitches for platforms
| become the jokes we make about them:
|
| - a way for old people to yell at each other.
|
| - bully safari, where you can go to antagonize people without
| conseqences.
|
| - a way for people to share pictures of their butts.
|
| - Orwell's 'two minutes of hate'
|
| - a fame simulator where robots flatter you
|
| - a place for smart people to act stupid
|
| - warcraft for passive aggression
|
| These are mostly empty snark, but some of them can be funny, and
| they take us out of thinking that we should re-make something we
| have today with some minor augmentation, independent of the
| original context it was created, and start looking at what
| something genuinely new might be.
| scubbo wrote:
| My guesses:
|
| - Knight Rider
|
| - Maybe "The Expendables"?
|
| - No idea, but I feel like I want to watch it!
| helm33 wrote:
| - Maybe "The Expendables"? -> Pretty sure this is "The A
| Team"
| loxias wrote:
| I'm curious about the last 4! (penultimate one: "HN comment
| section"?) ;-)
| rcurry wrote:
| I came up with a fun game that's along the line of your snarky
| movie game. I call it Mixed Up Movies, where you have to create
| a movie title and description that combines two separate movies
| into one. You write the description and provide the real actors
| and the other folks have to guess the name of the movie.
|
| For instance:
|
| Hilarity ensues when a mild-mannered suburban family adopts a
| troubled San Francisco homicide detective.
|
| Clint Eastwood, John Lithgow, and Margaret Langrick star in?
|
| Dirty Harry and The Hendersons
|
| Or:
|
| A retired English butler reminiscences about his time in
| service to a Lord's estate while also trying to convince his
| fellow townsfolk that recently arrived aliens come in peace.
|
| Keanu Reeves and Anthony Hopkins star in?
|
| The Remains of the Day the Earth Stood Still.
|
| Or:
|
| The boss of a Los Angeles crime syndicate enlists the help of a
| top British Spy to help recover a stolen briefcase by going
| undercover at an exclusive high-stakes poker game.
|
| Ving Rames, Daniel Craig, and Samuel L Jackson star in?
|
| Casino Royale With Cheese
| dan-robertson wrote:
| The stupid game along these lines that I like is to describe
| a made up film with a title that rhymes with some known film
| by modifying the description of the film, e.g.
|
| Dominic Toretto and his street racer friends go around making
| some ridiculous claims.
|
| An FBI agent must enlist the help of a killer to catch a
| dangerous fiend, who's crime is shushing people on public
| transport.
|
| An archaeologist/adventurer is hired to venture inside a
| proton to see what particles he can find.
| loxias wrote:
| > where you have to create a movie title and description that
| combines two separate movies into one
|
| You might enjoy Says You (public radio show). They do this
| category from time to time. Most recently 2 weeks ago,
| SY-2630, round 3, starts at ~20:30 in. :)
| yjftsjthsd-h wrote:
| If you haven't seen it yet, you might enjoy
| https://screenrant.com/tag/pitch-meeting/
| kodablah wrote:
| Take mine too: https://github.com/cretz/software-ideas/issues
| 6510 wrote:
| I never share the good ideas. Reasonable ones I share but only
| with the right person. The response is often moaning. Not very
| useful.
|
| The list is not very good but if we all post one of those
| mythical "easy to come by" good ideas that everyone is having
| simultaneously.... (hah)
|
| My idea would be "take my ideas app" an app where people can
| share their startup ideas. Nice categories, each topic is an
| idea. Replies are either 1) text 2) a link to a similar service
| 3) a link to a product or service useful for implementation of
| the idea with a text explaining how 4) useful contact details
| that can be accessed if you attempt to build the idea.
| monkin wrote:
| All of your ideas already exists. It's not about having ideas or
| sharing them, because there's thousands of people who have the
| same thought. What actually makes a difference is building them.
| bogwog wrote:
| I have ideas that I don't share with people that I know would
| be able to build them. Posting ideas I'm interested in on a
| site like this, for example, is not something I would do.
|
| Ideas _are_ worthless on their own. Building them is what
| matters. This takes time and skill. Most people on a site like
| this have the skills to build on an app idea, but everyone has
| varying levels of time. So if I post an idea here, there 's a
| good chance someone with more time than me will read it, and
| might steal it. If I sit on the idea until I eventually get
| around to executing it, then the chance of someone beating me
| to market is much lower.
|
| The worst thing that could happen is that I never build it, and
| no one else does either, so the world misses out. That's
| personally less of a problem for me than watching someone steal
| my idea.
| JadeNB wrote:
| > So if I post an idea here, there's a good chance someone
| with more time than me will read it, and might steal it.
|
| I think describing the process of telling someone a good
| idea, and having them act on it, as "stealing" your idea is
| not necessarily a healthy way of thinking about ideas.
| MarcelOlsz wrote:
| I tell everyone my ideas all the time. So far nobody has ever
| built them. The lesson I learned here, is that I am actually
| an idiot. Maybe you should share your ideas. You might learn
| something as well.
| travisjungroth wrote:
| I like when people share their ideas.
| ntoskrnl wrote:
| I'd say what actually makes a difference is sharing/marketing
| projects after you build them. If other people don't know your
| project exists, you'll end up with no users and you'll see your
| idea on various "stuff I wish existed" lists. Then one day you
| see a clone of your project and think someone ripped you off,
| when in reality they never heard of you and they were just
| better at selling themselves.
| monkin wrote:
| That's the whole process of building them.
| loceng wrote:
| Building them and then people being aware they exist.
| [deleted]
| loxias wrote:
| Amen to this. I've worked in enough exciting startups to know
| that having good, great, even amazing ideas are pretty easy
| compared to execution. I love great ideas, and great idea
| companies. But they're not hard.
|
| More valuable would be prescient knowledge of social trends, a
| team that's really good at execution, or knowledge of some
| existing pain point that still doesn't have a solution.
| MathCodeLove wrote:
| Comments like your express an unfortunately common, yet
| incredibly reductive, sentiment. Execution of course matters.
| But the innate value of an idea is also extremely important. A
| poorly executed good idea can easily out perform a well
| executed bad idea.
| lelanthran wrote:
| > A poorly executed good idea can easily out perform a well
| executed bad idea.
|
| That'd be something I've never seen. Any examples?
| slightwinder wrote:
| > But the innate value of an idea is also extremely
| important.
|
| Disputable. Many people have many ideas. Just the mass alone
| diminishes the general value of ideas.
|
| > A poorly executed good idea can easily out perform a well
| executed bad idea.
|
| Also disputable. For the evaluation, result matters most. And
| a bad idea which still solves a problem, is better than a
| good idea which just exists in its own isolated bubble, doing
| nothing worthful.
|
| The tech-world is full of fancy oversmart ideas and their
| implementations. Yet many of them fail because neither a good
| idea, nor some half decent implementation alone have enough
| worth to survive.
| monkin wrote:
| There's nothing reductive in my comment. I didn't mention the
| quality of execution, yet you have to build something to
| learn from it, even if it's a bad idea. Having just ideas
| bring nothing to the table, no matter how good they are. Here
| we come to another interesting fact: companies will pivot
| many times after building the initial idea.
| hackernewds wrote:
| https://dilbert.com/strip/2015-09-11
| fleetwoodsnack wrote:
| Yep, and reformulations of similar ideas also tend to
| introduce subtle and nuanced changes that make for
| substantive distinctions.
| loxias wrote:
| > A poorly executed good idea can easily out perform a well
| executed bad idea.
|
| One of the maxims I adopted from a mentor was that good
| execution of a mediocre idea will beat poor execution of a
| great idea. So far, it's been true everywhere I look.
|
| We're surrounded with decent execution of horrible ideas.
|
| Meant with all due respect, but.. I think you've got it
| backwards? Great ideas have no innate value, they're easy to
| come up with.
| ivanmontillam wrote:
| For the 2nd one, if Twitter is really a "protocol" one could
| tweet special crafted links and make a Twitter client app that
| parsed these links and Twitter threads and using something like
| _ffmpeg_ to compile a single audio stream.
|
| If more replies are added to the conversation, one can rebuild
| the _ffmpeg_ audio file locally. This could be awesome for blind
| people, and a big win for accessibility.
|
| Please note I'm not talking about text-to-speech systems, I'm
| talking about the autors speaking in specially crafted tweets
| (that results in audio files saved in some server and them some
| app parsing them as a single file).
|
| The 3rd one already exists.
|
| Windows can track the Clipboard history, at the Clipboard
| settings, just enable it and start using the "Windows logo key +
| V" key combo to open the clipboard context menu and select any of
| the latest copied items (including images).
|
| The Samsung keyboard at Android also does this as well.
|
| Maybe there's something like this for Linux and Apple equipment,
| I don't know.
|
| The 4rth one I tried using the Web Archive to retrieve it, but it
| wasn't available. haha.
|
| The 5th one exists as an app called Chklsty[0]. What you're
| needing is checklists for repeated processes. It's not for
| single-use to-do lists.
|
| --
|
| [0]: https://hello.chklsty.com/
| forgotpwd16 wrote:
| >Windows can track the Clipboard history
|
| They aren't asking for a generic clipboard manager (that are
| numerous) but one that can log _only_ URLs. A more flexible
| implementation will be for the manager to include filter
| functionality for what it logs. Afaik none has this.
| bartaxyz wrote:
| I've started building something like the last idea. I call it
| very simply Daily Tasks[0]. It's by no means finished yet, but it
| does feel good to have an idea validated by reading about it from
| this blog post.
|
| [0] https://ondrejbarta.com/pet-projects/daily-tasks
| sprior wrote:
| Someone proposed the second idea to me once. My immediate thought
| was of all the careers that would be ended as a result of it
| being too easy to share that random thought that went through
| your mind.
| garrickvanburen wrote:
| "Wouldn't it be cool if" ideas are far less valuable than "here's
| a daily frustration I have and I've yet to found a satisfactory
| solution"
| ben_w wrote:
| "TODO/did do" is also on my, ah, to-do list. And, likewise, has
| been for years now.
|
| In the meantime, I'm using Apple Notes and copying the result
| into a Markdown file whenever it gets long enough to start
| noticeably confusing the Notes.app scroll bar (about once a
| month).
| jagged-chisel wrote:
| Geekbot does this on Slack. Granted, it's a standup meeting
| replacement, not a journal input bot.
| bee_rider wrote:
| It seems to me that a particularly formatted Markdown or LaTeX
| file would be a totally reasonable way to implement TODO/did
| do. Just have space for "TODO" and space for "did do." What
| else would an app add? Maybe a reminder (but a phone alarm
| could be a perfectly decent reminder).
| ben_w wrote:
| Reminders yes, also recurrent tasks.
| belkarx wrote:
| The clipboard history idea can be done in ... around 5 minutes in
| Linux (using clipnotify, parcellite, echo, and grep). Ironically
| this is the project the author claimed would take far longer than
| 2 hours.
| ivanmontillam wrote:
| 5 minutes in execution, but more than 2 hours in preparation
| (knowledge gathering, etc.)
|
| The hidden cost of execution is preparedness.
| belkarx wrote:
| ... https://gist.github.com/belkarx/299b6d83a85beee2c2559c1b4
| 2f9...
|
| I will admit that I'm using almost exclusively external tools
| and had I wrangled the X library myself, this would have
| taken longer. And while it's technically a working product,
| it's not exactly polished. But it proves my point. Not a
| difficult project
| MrManatee wrote:
| The way I understood [1] is that even a trivial app (such
| as a clipboard URL logger) will take longer than 2 hours
| _once you start adding the polish_. I don 't think that can
| be refuted by writing a 5-minute non-polished version of
| the app.
|
| [1]
| https://austinhenley.com/blog/thisprojectwillonlytake.html
| ivanmontillam wrote:
| Great, I bet you hacked that script in 5 minutes or less,
| which I don't dispute.
|
| However, you cannot claim that you learned bash scripting
| within those 5 minutes. Or that you knew in seconds that
| these were the libraries to use for that little but
| valuable script.
|
| All costs considered, time to learn what to do is included.
| So, it was far more than 5 minutes, though your execution
| was less than that.
|
| This topic is part of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System
| s_development_life_cycle.
| mecsred wrote:
| Next time anyone asks me for a time estimate on building
| something, I'm going to hit them with "well its been
| about 15 years since I started tinkering, so let's start
| there"
| ivanmontillam wrote:
| I bill my customers based on value delivered, not on my
| time exposed to a topic[0].
|
| It could happen that my 15-year tinkering effects in
| great value delivered.
|
| My point is that time devoted to learning something is
| not free; you must consider it a business cost.
|
| Regardless of time exposed to the topic at hand, not
| necessarily a lot of time invested* into something
| results in a great deal of value to be delivered. You
| could optimize that time with ultra-learning
| techniques[1].
|
| The correlation of time exposed to a topic doesn't result
| in the causation of how much should I charge a customer.
|
| --
|
| [0]: https://www.ivanmontilla.com/blog/does-professional-
| experien...
|
| [1]: https://www.scotthyoung.com/blog/ultralearning/
|
| EDIT: * Improved clarity by adding a word.
| belkarx wrote:
| I don't think time to learn bash or programming intuition
| can reasonably be included in the timeframe to build a
| product. It's assumed that time starts _after_ you come
| up with the idea to do something, and retroactively
| saying "this project took me a year" for something you
| created in a few hours is ... odd.
|
| I agree that the time spent to find the libraries and
| their documentation should be factored in, so I'd like to
| note that that part of the process took ... 3 ddg
| searches (so +a few mins).
|
| ?where does parcellite store clipboard data ->
| https://www.mankier.com/1/parcellite -> `clipboard -c`
|
| ?regex for url -> https://gist.github.com/securibee/f15f8
| c7aaa0593cc32fc30f585...
|
| ?get notified when something has been copied to clipboard
| linux -> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1167026/detect-
| clipboard-cop... -> https://github.com/cdown/clipnotify
| -> `while clipnotify;do`
|
| :)
| ivanmontillam wrote:
| I think we are caught in semantics for this discussion
| because you are talking about "direct costs" (X causes
| Y), but I'm defending the idea of "indirect costs" (X
| doesn't cause Y, but you had it lying around, so you used
| it).
|
| Using your previous knowledge inventory is not a direct
| cost of resource usage, but you'd not have been able to
| craft that script if you had not known about the tools.
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