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Show HN: Fruits - Sell digital products via your website,
newsletter, etc
Hi HN! Whilst trying to build an online community for content
creators, we failed! Taking the learnings and stripping down our
product to a true MVP, we now started working on "fruits", which
allows creators to sell files such as ebooks, designs, checklists,
music and online coachings online in less than two minutes.
https://fruits.de/en It works as simple as this: 1. upload a file
at "fruits" & set a price 2. you will receive your individual
fruits-sales-link 3. share the link wherever your customers are
(e.g. website, newsletter, social media) In addition, we also take
care of the tedious office work such as invoicing and VAT
collection for you, and this is completely automated. What do you
think? We are looking forward to your feedback!
Author : peteconcrete
Score : 170 points
Date : 2022-05-13 09:01 UTC (13 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (fruits.de)
(TXT) w3m dump (fruits.de)
| fxtentacle wrote:
| How does this differ from Gumroad?
| ozten wrote:
| There are hundreds of successful CRM SaaS companies out there.
|
| Same for email marketing. I think there is room for tons of
| creator sales platforms without asking "How does this differ
| from Mailchimp?"
|
| I think the #1 "product design" problem for these tools is
| customer trust with a brand you've never seen before.
|
| I find Gumroad a little jarring instead of being in the
| background. Gumroad has been around long enough that it is now
| a brand that someone might have interacted with more than once
| through different creators, but I think that is a secondary use
| case.
| peteconcrete wrote:
| Unlike Gumroad, our goal is not to offer sales pages for
| digital products - at least not initially.
|
| We found out creators don't necessarily need a complicated
| landing page when selling content through e.g. tiktok or
| instagram or a newsletter that already provides trust. In
| addition, we will also process and handle invoices and credit
| notes
| Hackbraten wrote:
| As a creator of digital products: great site, congrats!
|
| As a consumer: PayPal only? I'm outta here. I don't like my money
| randomly frozen on a whim.
|
| Are you folks planning to offer Giropay for the consumer side?
| That's pretty much the only payment service I can use nowadays.
| peteconcrete wrote:
| Thank you for the feedback. The Paypal integration was now for
| the MVP our first payment function. On the one hand because
| Paypal is the most important payment option in Germany and on
| the other hand because you can already pay via credit card with
| Paypal. However, we are working at full speed on the
| integration of other payment options. From purchase on account
| to topics like Giropay etc. and Crypto. Please give us a little
| more time. :)
| Hackbraten wrote:
| Thanks, sounds promising. Good luck with your plans!
| huhtenberg wrote:
| PayPal allows paying with a credit card without needing to
| create an account.
|
| If the OP doesn't have this, there's literally a checkbox for
| this in the merchant's settings on the PayPal's admin panel.
| The drawback however is an elevated risk of fraud.
|
| Edit: ... and they don't have this enabled -
| https://fruits.de/c/v9kgq
| a2128 wrote:
| Content creator payouts are also paid through PayPal, so
| unless there's another feature I'm not aware of, it seems
| PayPal will get the opportunity to freeze the money either
| way.
| huhtenberg wrote:
| And that's just a random boogeyman.
| grey_earthling wrote:
| In a capitalist economy, your ability to boycott a
| company is your only defence against that company.
| donjoe wrote:
| ... bank transfers is one of the feature requests already
| in our pipeline!
|
| Due to limited time (fruits was built within a few days),
| we reduced the product to the most simple MVP we could come
| up with. We will now be adding features on a daily basis
| :-)
| once_inc wrote:
| Or CreditCard, or iDeal, or AliPay, or crypto, or... or...
| or...
|
| Of the vast amount of payment options available online, only a
| handful is used by people in a geographic area. Dutch people
| have a very strong preference for iDeal, for example, and
| rarely purchase things with credit cards, while Chinese
| customers heavily lean on AliPay.
| Tijdreiziger wrote:
| That's why you use a payment processor like Adyen or Mollie,
| who handles all these geographic differences for you.
| [deleted]
| Princetobi wrote:
| divbzero wrote:
| Does licensing relate to what Fruits currently offers, or will
| offer eventually? Or is licensing a separate responsibility and
| decision for the creator?
| Trigalti wrote:
| How do you deal with KYC / Money laundering practices?
| trh0awayman wrote:
| Can anyone in Germany use this as an individual? For example, I
| have an office job. If I write a song/comic book, can I just
| start using this platform or do I need to do some tax
| nonsense/form a company?
| Aeolun wrote:
| That's up to your country, not to the company handling the
| payments.
|
| Edit: Never mind, didn't realize they called this out as
| something they handle.
| ThePhysicist wrote:
| Happy to see a startup from Germany here, way to go folks! Also I
| wasn't aware you can now add a description and post a link to an
| external website here, that's quite helpful.
| peteconcrete wrote:
| Thank you! Greetings from Bavaria. :)
| cycomanic wrote:
| Congrats withdrawn, not from Germany.
|
| I kid, I kid! ;)
|
| Context for all non-Germans: Many "northern" Germans joke
| about Bavaria not being part of Germany. Another often made
| "joke" is that Bavaria starts ~50km south of were one lives.
| Semaphor wrote:
| AFAIK a "Show HN"-only feature.
| FlyingAvatar wrote:
| I love the simplicity.
|
| How are things like fraud and chargebacks handled? With
| collecting money being this easy, I immediately worry about how
| it would be abused.
| [deleted]
| closedloop129 wrote:
| Is EUR0.49 for bookkeeping a competitive price? For a EUR1.99
| product, that's more than the paypal fees at EUR0.40.
|
| Apart from bookkeeping in their own system, paypal also has to
| handle fraud and regulatory obligations. How can they be cheaper?
| peteconcrete wrote:
| Hi, we do have a bookkeeping fee which is the fee we forward
| 1/1 from the accounting company currently connected. This
| allows us to handle payments in the sub- $10 area by not having
| losses whilst handling payments. We might consider removing the
| fee in the future once we see sales in the lower $10 area are
| not really relevant.
| closedloop129 wrote:
| The way you structure the fees is very reasonable. I am just
| surprised that the fees are that high. Instead of waving the
| fees you could try to bring them down. As long as there is no
| manual involvement, why should bookkeeping cost more than a
| cent?
| AussieWog93 wrote:
| Why would you want to log every transaction with an external
| accountant?
|
| This increases the cost of your service and adds absolutely
| nothing of value to the customer.
| donjoe wrote:
| That's due to rules and regulations here in Germany. We
| need to have our outgoing and incoming invoices being
| handled properly to not run into tax fraud issues.
|
| By talking to creators from e.g. OnlyFans, the biggest
| issues they faced was explaining their earnings to the tax
| authorities with no proper invoices at hand.
|
| By further automating those tasks, we will be able to
| reduce costs dramatically and might get rid of the
| bookkeeping fee alltogether.
| Aeolun wrote:
| Maybe you want to just include it in the fee itself. It
| feels silly to have a separate fee when you advertise
| with 7%. At the very least it's 7%+0.49. It's not my
| problem that you have to hire an external accountant, and
| not something that I think is relevant for your
| customers.
| damir wrote:
| Congrats on the launch!
|
| But IMO payment service and the term "Sidehustler" (in About us
| part) don't fit well together... ;)
| ramesh31 wrote:
| People are 100% going to sell drugs with this.
| pcmill wrote:
| What is the "bookkeeping" fee in the price calculator for?
| https://fruits.de/en/payment/price-calculator
| peteconcrete wrote:
| Hi, we do have a bookkeeping fee which is the fee we forward
| 1/1 from the accounting company currently connected. This
| allows us to handle payments in the sub- $10 area by not having
| losses whilst handling payments. We might consider removing the
| fee in the future once we see sales in the lower $10 area are
| not really relevant.
| notafraudster wrote:
| Typically when someone says "accounting" or "bookkeeping",
| they don't mean payment processing. Accounting and
| bookkeeping typically refers to tracking payments, invoices,
| credits, and debits, not actually taking payment. This could
| be an English <-> German thing.
|
| I'd also say that the norm in this space is that your 7% fee
| should cover this (and if it doesn't, whatever fee you do set
| should cover it). Saying you charge a 7% fee when actually
| you mean 7% + some amount is sort of shady.
|
| I would consider hiring a professional English copywriter,
| generally, as the language page reads as ESL. ("digital
| contents", "where ever", missing comma after "fruits",
| generally prefer oxford commas, "where ever [sic] you want to
| super fast" oddly informal, "receive a link that leads
| customers to your product", "place your fruits link wherever
| your customers are", "content formats", redundant "files and
| content formats of all kinds", "where your customers are
| already", "every channel, really every one!", missing period
| at end of secure payment bullet point, missing period at end
| of automatic billing bullet point, "any open questions", "set
| itself the task", about us list also missing an oxford comma,
| "anyone who wants it", "for this purpose")
| peteconcrete wrote:
| Very good points. Your feedback shows that we still have
| some things to adjust! We will take care of it as soon as
| possible.
| omitmyname wrote:
| Could you show an example of how it will look like
| logikblok wrote:
| +1 on this, looks good would appreciate a live/mock example
| peteconcrete wrote:
| That would be the view for selling a digital file
| https://fruits.de/c/85nn9
| peteconcrete wrote:
| https://fruits.de/c/v9kgq ;)
| Dand313 wrote:
| looks good Peter. Take a look at getrevin.com if you are
| interested in using stripe but having the tax compliance
| taken off your hands
| andyjih_ wrote:
| My immediate thought is that people will use this to sell pirated
| and/or illegal goods. I'm curious how you plan to address this
| issue?
| Cthulhu_ wrote:
| Probably the same as any other online service; wait for DMCA
| takedown requests, prepare for lawsuits and be prepared to pay
| copyright holders or hand over gains to law enforcement.
|
| Of course, that could be prevented if they manually check and
| verify ownership of every submission.
| zrobotics wrote:
| What about illegal content like CSAM? That would be far more
| serious than just a DMCA, personally content like that would
| be my first concern running this type of business.
| chayesfss wrote:
| Yea hope they have good monitoring in place
| dan1234 wrote:
| I made a little test file & purchase - how do I actually get
| paid?
|
| First impressions are that it seems very expensive for smaller
| purchases - my $2.00 turned into $0.56 (and then I'll have
| currency fees as GBP wasn't an option).
| will0 wrote:
| mstolpm wrote:
| Congrats on your launch! But honestly, your site gives me some
| huge red flags regarding your service:
|
| You don't have a legally valid "Impressum" on fruits.de: It
| points to fanbase.com and that one isn't even mentioning
| fruits.de. So, as a German startup, it seems you're at least
| bending German and EU law by not providing the information
| necessary for proving services on the domain fruits.de. And as a
| result, as a potential user, I can't trust you with my business.
|
| Moreover, I couldn't find information about your "sales tax"
| claim. You know better than me that selling digital products in
| the EU and across borders can be kind of tricky, depending on
| what you are selling (e.g. ebook vs software), if you're selling
| B2B or B2C, and depending on the origin of your customer. As a
| user, I'd need much more information about how you handle this
| and the bookkeeping you mentioned, but it somehow looks like
| you're relying on PayPal as the payment gateway and are not
| handling sales tax / USt by yourself?
|
| And no: As someone looking for a simple solution to sell my
| digital products, I don't want do book a consultation for answers
| to the questions above.
| pchangr wrote:
| This kind of bureaucracy is why our business is registered out
| of Germany, haha.
|
| Edit: I'm not vouching for anyone not following the law. But I
| do think the rules are much easier to understand and follow in
| other EU countries.
| 101008 wrote:
| I am working on a SaaS product with a friend that will be
| mostly a B2B (although it can work as B2C too) and besides all
| the tech, what I am afraid mostly is all the tax/money/stuff.
|
| I am not from Europe neither USA - I'd like only to get paid
| monthly for the service I provide. Is it difficult? If anyone
| can give some advice I'd be grateful.
| thelittleone wrote:
| You could look into a UAE freezone.
| Dand313 wrote:
| take a look at getrevin.com - basically an MoR (taxes,filing
| etc) but you can use Stripe - and they can serve you in
| countries that Stripe can't.
| pchangr wrote:
| It really boils down to the country.IMHO, German tax system
| is madly complicated but Estonian is super simple, for
| example.
| bityard wrote:
| > what I am afraid mostly is all the tax/money/stuff
|
| You shouldn't be afraid, you should pay a professional CPA
| and/or tax accountant to take care of all of that stuff for
| you.
|
| You wouldn't draft your own legal documents (I hope),
| correct? It's no different on the money side of things.
| ricardobayes wrote:
| At that point it almost doesn't matter if they draft them
| themselves as they won't have the energy/money to chase
| some vendor/partner etc legally as a day 0 startup.
| 101008 wrote:
| I pay my taxes locally. The issue is what happens for the
| other companies in other countries, do they need something
| special?
| [deleted]
| donjoe wrote:
| Hi, dev here, thanks for the input!
|
| Fruits is a pivot for fanbase.com which sadly didn't make it.
| Within a few days, we managed to build fruits and launched it
| as the quickest MVP we could come up with. That's what you're
| seeing today. The imprint still points towards the current
| legal entity (fanbase GmbH). A new legal entity is currently
| under registration by the founders. Once the paperwork is done,
| the founders will move all assets to the new company and align
| the imprint accordingly.
|
| Concerning taxation: this seems to be a clear improvement we
| need to work on communicating. Taxation is hard and we tried to
| break it down in a pricing calculator (which does not yet seem
| to do all that good of a job, point taken).
|
| Disclaimer - as mentioned below/above in some of the comments:
| not the tax attorney ;-)
|
| We are working with a tax office that helped us figuring out
| international taxation and will be able to answer all legal
| taxation questions in detail for each single country we're in
| business with.
|
| Taxation for fruits essentially means:
|
| - fruits charges the buyer and applies tax applicable for
| fruits (company in Germany) and the buyer in country XYZ
|
| - each buyer will receive an invoice (issued by fruits)
|
| - the seller will receive a single credit note for all sales
| performed within a month targeting a German company (fruits)
|
| [Buyer] <<- Invoice (Tax) --- [fruits] <<- Credit note ->>
| [Seller]
| social_quotient wrote:
| I've used this before with good success on a few projects
|
| https://www.taxjar.com/product/api
| schnebbau wrote:
| You sound like a user that expects the world for your $20/month
| business. These red flags could be corrected in a day.
| GlacierFox wrote:
| He sounds like someone who knows what they're looking for and
| is diligently inspecting the service before spending money on
| it. It doesn't matter how insignificant the amount of money
| is, it's important to be clear on what you are actually
| buying and if it's actually legit.
| bryanrasmussen wrote:
| I think they sound like a user who expects the service to
| follow German and EU rules and regulations when on a German
| domain, which sounds not like the world but common sense.
|
| Also "for your $20 month business"? I mean I guess he expects
| it for everyone's $20 month business.
| emteycz wrote:
| This thread (and it being upvoted to the top) is a prime
| example of why there isn't any Big Tech in EU - because we
| slam down even fun little startups with this legalese
| bullshit as soon as they appear.
| bryanrasmussen wrote:
| The 24 Unicorns in Germany
| https://www.failory.com/startups/germany-unicorns
| pchangr wrote:
| The 20 in 8 times smaller Israel:
|
| https://www.failory.com/startups/israel-unicorns
| emteycz wrote:
| Yeah lol, 24? With the size of German economy it should
| be 240 or 2400, definitely not 24. (if it was irony then
| I'm sorry I didn't recognize it)
| bryanrasmussen wrote:
| you're correct 240 if you say well the American economy
| is 10 times the size of the German (it's a little over 12
| I think) but I wonder if we might see that the rate of
| German unicorns is growing at about the level it should
| be in recent years, that is to say the disparity in
| number of Unicorns is more Germany starting late than
| anything else.
|
| Aside from that of course the EU has made it relatively
| clear it does not really want unicorns like Twitter or
| Facebook. So I mean if you take away PII violating
| companies from the mix then things might look more equal
| also - but perhaps that is more of that pesky legalese
| bullshit you seem to find onerous.
| emteycz wrote:
| It's very funny to speak about privacy while the EU is
| pushing literal _Chat Control_ at the same time.
|
| I'd much rather have Big Tech and the money it brings
| home - nobody is forced to use their free services, I'm
| simply avoiding them - than have Chat Control forced down
| my throat _unless_ I move to the Land of Free PII
| Violations.
| pchangr wrote:
| US GDP is between 6 and 8 times Germany .. so should be
| like around 80-60 unicorns
|
| But then .. you have Israel who has a 10 times smaller
| economy per GDP size and still managed 17 unicorns
| -\\_(tsu)_/-
| bryanrasmussen wrote:
| yours is probably more accurate than mine, I saw a 2019
| estimate said 2 point something trillion and then U.S 24
| point something trillion, but I didn't look really close.
|
| hmm, yeah maybe it doesn't matter so much the GDP size -
| does Israel have a lot of legalese bullshit?
|
| on edit: changed petty regulations to legalese bullshit.
| Couldn't remember the exact phrase this far down.
| mlatu wrote:
| all i can hear is "if only the whole world was as
| unregulated as the US"-mimimi
| rchaud wrote:
| The US is plenty regulated. It's why VCs have to spend
| absurd sums on lawyers for Uber and Airbnb. Sidestepping
| laws and regulations isn't cheap.
| emteycz wrote:
| mlatu wrote:
| At least i got health insurance for my problem.
|
| No insurance in the world will cover you when you ask a
| lawyer to explain the world to you.
| [deleted]
| ricardobayes wrote:
| EU is so backwards with bureaucracy it is actually easier
| to set up a US entity for a new startup and hire EU devs
| in it than set up in an EU country and navigate the tax
| laws of 28 countries.
| brtkdotse wrote:
| "legalese bullshit" - you sell a product, you need to
| handle VAT. Every single business in the EU abides by
| this, why should a business be exempt just because
| they're on the internet?
| ricardobayes wrote:
| US businesses - afaik - are not required to collect sales
| tax out of state below a threshold of 100k per year per
| state. So yeah, the parent comment is valid. A bit of
| pro-new-business flexibility wouldn't hurt in Europe.
| emteycz wrote:
| That's not true, there's a rather large minimum until you
| need to think about VAT. 100k EUR/year where I live.
| brtkdotse wrote:
| Not since last year
|
| https://vat-one-stop-shop.ec.europa.eu/index_en
| emteycz wrote:
| Lol, "simpler and fairer world"? I want some of what
| these people are smoking.
|
| I'm a VAT payer and it's at minimum 15-20 incredibly
| complicated accounting forms per year, with harsh
| penalties for mistakes and missed deadlines. I would
| never be able to start doing business if I had to do this
| at the beginning, and I'm in the most lucrative market
| today - and I would never risk it too, the fines are damn
| huge.
|
| Doing the forms costs me thousands of euro yearly even
| though my accounting is totally simple, I have just few
| invoices per month with just few line items.
|
| As I said, this is why this place is failing business-
| wise.
| pchangr wrote:
| Can you tell me about other countries requiring an
| impressum? .. I think Switzerland..?
| iosono88 wrote:
| scanny wrote:
| Cool to see a Munchen based startup popup here! Nice going
| neighbour :)
| [deleted]
| iamzamek wrote:
| Why did you decide on .de domain? I think more global domain
| would be better.
| pg5 wrote:
| I like the idea, but I would expect your PayPal business account
| to get banned pretty quickly without a more rigorous sign up
| process to prevent illegal content from being sold.
| dmix wrote:
| The create page is nice but the first thing I always look for is
| a demo. Stripe always provides these on their pages.
| jameshart wrote:
| Immediate feedback on your simple 'step 1 - 2 - 3' explanation...
|
| It's great to reduce the steps down to so few, but I feel like
| you're missing an explanation of the follow up steps where a
| customer pays for a thing, and the money gets to me.
| SnowHill9902 wrote:
| If you are selling digital goods why put yourself within Germany?
| Do it from Gibraltar or Luxembourg.
| 4lejandrito wrote:
| It made me really sad not to see the developers' avatars on the
| "About us" section. It seems they are not part of the team, but
| they're the ones answering questions here.
|
| Other than that, great product!
| PufPufPuf wrote:
| "Digital nomad", "sidehustler" or "freelancer" aren't actual
| jobs. What do these people even do? The actual developers are
| listed in the footer.
| joshyeetbox wrote:
| Lol, that was what I noticed first. All those employees but
| the people who actually built the site aren't even listed as
| team members.
| cebula wrote:
| peteconcrete wrote:
| Thank you so much! We're glad you like it.
| LudwigNagasena wrote:
| Any precautions against money laundering and fraud?
| Aillustrator wrote:
| How will taxes be handled?
|
| I am in Europe. That means every time I sell something, I need to
| charge taxes depending on the country of the buyer. And once a
| year, I have to make a report for the tax authorities with all
| the revenues I made with all the countries.
|
| Does fruits abstract that away somehow?
| donjoe wrote:
| This!
|
| fruits will:
|
| - charge the buyer with the applicable tax between fruits
| (company in Germany) and the buyer in Country XYZ
|
| - each buyer will receive an invoice (issued by fruits)
|
| - the seller will receive a single credit note for all sales
| within that month targeting a German company (fruits)
|
| As I can see from the comments (above and below), we need to
| come up with a way explaining intl taxation more thoroughly.
|
| Disclaimer: I am the developer and not the tax attourney. In
| case you do have any questions, feel free to contact us (or me)
| and we will set up a meeting with our Tax-Daniela which will be
| able to explain taxation-related tasks in detail with a proper
| legal background :-)
| simplehuman wrote:
| I am curious about the name and the de domaim
| peteconcrete wrote:
| We first launched the service in Germany last week. The domain
| is not final yet. International domain will follow soon.
| GordonS wrote:
| Just a note on the name from someone in the UK.
|
| "fruits" is a slang term for testicles, as in "she kicked him
| right in his fucking fruits!".
|
| I doubt it's the first thing folk would think of with
| "fruits", but thought it worth mentioning.
|
| Naming is hard :/
| corrral wrote:
| As in "fruits of one's labor"? That's how I took it.
| peteconcrete wrote:
| That was definitely the intention. ;)
| mixedbit wrote:
| A lot of feedback here mentions tax compliance. Perhaps you could
| use a company like paddle.com to actually handle the payments and
| act as a merchant of record for each transaction. This way you
| wouldn't need to worry about calculating taxes and collecting
| payments from the end customers, you would still need to handle
| distributing income to sellers. I'm not sure though if Paddle
| supports selling such 'umbrella' type of products.
|
| Anyway, the idea is great, I view Paddle as an order of magnitude
| less work for the seller compared to lower level services such as
| Stripe, and your service could be an order of magnitude less work
| than Paddle for products that fit such simple selling model well.
| peteconcrete wrote:
| Thanks for your suggestion. That looks interesting! We'll take
| a closer look at paddle.
| s1291 wrote:
| It looks like you're avoiding answering the question related
| to follow up steps where a customer pays for a thing, and the
| money gets to me.
| tomschwiha wrote:
| Congratiolations!
|
| 1. How do you handle inner EU-vat free excemption (validation of
| tax numbers)?
|
| 2. How easy or hard was your KYC-integration? As payment
| processor in Germany I assume you are required for money
| laundering checks, or?
| franze wrote:
| seems cool, but work on your trust signals to the users, why
| should they trust you?
| velcro wrote:
| congratulations on the launch! how does this compare to Gumroad?
| peteconcrete wrote:
| Unlike Gumroad, our goal is not to offer sales pages for
| digital products - at least not initially.
|
| We found out creators don't necessarily need a complicated
| landing page when selling content through e.g. tiktok or
| instagram or a newsletter that already provides trust. In
| addition, we will also process and handle invoices and credit
| notes
| Aeolun wrote:
| Yes, the same was true for me. I literally only want to
| accept payments, the sales page and the fulfilment is already
| done externally, so I really just need a payment form that
| sends me a callback.
|
| Stripe does this, but going through their whole KYC process
| has become extremely arduous (and they seem incapable of
| being clear about what they need/want, as well as
| understanding that Dutch people with a Dutch company
| sometimes do not reside on the Netherlands).
| andybak wrote:
| It sends you a code that expires and there's no way to request
| another.
|
| In general - please let codes last at least an hour or so. I
| always get distracted waiting for the code and have to request
| another one - often several times. Unless you can guarantee
| _instant_ code delivery (which you probably can 't) then I _am_
| going to go off and do something else and I probably will forget
| to check for a while.
| tomc1985 wrote:
| Why not give the user a login then they can access their
| content indefinitely?
|
| Time limited codes fucking suck.
| donjoe wrote:
| Point taken. Thanks - will look into it!
| ps901 wrote:
| I can't click none of the links in the footer of your slide menu,
| such as Imprint (Firefox and Edge testet)..
| probabletrain wrote:
| Any plans to make the download/payment page more customizable
| e.g. formatting/images in the description, or giving sellers
| control over the background?
| donjoe wrote:
| Hi, one of the devs here - happy to answer any questions :-)
|
| We're currently working exactly on that feature - been
| requested a few times yet. To keep the product as simple as
| possible for the MVP, we stripped all initial features and will
| add them step by step in the coming days.
| Bromeo wrote:
| Sounds like a good idea. The "advertising" can be done in so
| many other ways on other platforms - I like that you only try
| to do one thing and do that well.
| donjoe wrote:
| Thanks <3
| daanlo wrote:
| Love this!
| xz18r wrote:
| Looks good but upon clicking I thought for over 5 seconds that
| this was a sideproduct of WeTransfer - at least styling-wise.
| Serif font for titles, big blue plus sign, split screen of
| colorful graphic and the info.
|
| Also curious about the name. "Fruits" domains seem to be worth
| quite a bit. May sound harsh but change the name and sell the
| costly domain for something that is more explanatory?
| rawbot wrote:
| You might want to fix the fact that you can specify a negative
| price for the product, at least in the calculator. Other than
| that, looks cool!
| donjoe wrote:
| Good catch, thanks!
| khanan wrote:
| Oh, how I hoped I read that "... sell digital produce" :(
| ar0 wrote:
| Great idea. However, I think you need to be careful in the VAT
| area not to overpromise: I selected "selling from Switzerland to
| Switzerland" and your calculator quoted a VAT of 0%, which is of
| course false (selling stuff in Switzerland requires deducting
| 7.7% VAT).
|
| My guess would be that you only cover VAT within the EU, but of
| course there are VAT regimes outside of the EU too; so "we also
| take care of VAT collection for you" does not seem to apply in
| all cases.
| donjoe wrote:
| disclaimer: developer, not tax attorney :-)
|
| Our connected tax office figured out taxation concerning
| international transactions. Why and how different taxation
| rules apply depends on a couple of instruments and setups such
| as reverse tax charges, MOSS and others.
|
| It basically burns down to fruits:
|
| - charging the buyer with the applicable tax between fruits
| (company in Germany) and the buyer in country XYZ
|
| - each buyer receiving an invoice (issued by fruits)
|
| - the seller receiving a single credit note for all sales
| within that month targeting a German company (fruits)
|
| We will have to clarify taxation as I can see from comments in
| this thread - thanks for your input!
| chinathrow wrote:
| > selling stuff in Switzerland requires deducting 7.7% VAT
|
| Only if you're selling more than 100k CHF per year.
| conductr wrote:
| I have no stake in this but, is there not a VATaaS API/library
| by now?
|
| I see the VAT complications discussed all the time online and
| figured this would be rather centralized by now
| pabloem wrote:
| Congrats for shipping! I love the simplicity of the idea. It
| reminds me a lot to Drop to sell[0]. At first glance, both cover
| the same use case, or is there any significant difference?
|
| [0] https://www.droptosell.com/
| peteconcrete wrote:
| Thank you very much! The service was actually not yet known to
| us. But it also looks very exciting.
| peteconcrete wrote:
| We will handle the intl. taxation for sellers and hand out
| invoices to the buyers. With us you also don't have the
| hassle of creating your own Stripe account, API key etc etc.
| We learned the required expertise to set up multiple accounts
| when trying to sell a file was a huge pain point for
| creators.
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