[HN Gopher] Cities with Nice Weather
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Cities with Nice Weather
Author : m4burns
Score : 262 points
Date : 2022-05-13 03:39 UTC (19 hours ago)
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| sandbx wrote:
| this is most stable weather not nicest ... "We'll ignore any
| other weather characteristics like humidity, rain, wind, diurnal
| temperature difference, etc."
| thefringthing wrote:
| Depends what you think is nice!
| POPOSYS wrote:
| Climate change is real and will make that data very different.
| mysecretaccount wrote:
| Funny, Cusco may be a good candidate based on low variable
| temperature during the year but my recollection is that it has
| high variable temperature throughout a 24 hour period.
| thakoppno wrote:
| is altitude weather or weather adjacent?
| nicoburns wrote:
| IMO Medellin, Colombia (known as "the city of eternal spring") is
| about perfect from a weather perspective. It averages around 23c
| year round (varying between about 18 and 28). It does have a
| rainy season, but even then mornings are often sunny (afternoon
| not so much).
| Wistar wrote:
| A good friend spends a lot of time in Montevideo, Uruguay and
| he says it has fairly steady pleasant weather.
| smcl wrote:
| Direct quote from my gf who lived in MVD for a while - "it's
| cold and rainy often, and in winter it sucks because none of
| the houses have central heating". For context we now live in
| Central Europe (toasty summers and long cold winters).
|
| She loved being there and to be honest I'd definitely visit,
| but I guess there's more to it than just the average
| temperature outside
| deepnotderp wrote:
| Weather isn't just temperature.
|
| Bogota has perfect temperature but is cloudier than Seattle.
| onionisafruit wrote:
| Seattle has pretty good weather too, if you only consider
| temperature.
| grapeskin wrote:
| Seattle has great weather. Less rain than Midwest and east
| coast US cities and never too hot or too cold.
| SideburnsOfDoom wrote:
| > Seattle has great weather. Less rain than Midwest
|
| I know someone who had a depressive episode after moving to
| Seattle because, "it's raining. It's just a thick, settling
| mist. But it hasn't stopped, for 100 days"
| cheeze wrote:
| Except the part where it's May and it's still raining this
| year, damnit.
| freeqaz wrote:
| Hopefully that helps the fires this year when it
| eventually gets hot, at the very least! It's nice to not
| have to worry about drought, as well. (That's a huge
| reason why I moved to Seattle from SF.)
| allset_ wrote:
| It gets too hot a couple weeks every year. 90F+ for days
| and even in the evening it doesn't drop that much which is
| rough when most people don't have AC.
| sangel wrote:
| It is 40 degrees F right now... in mid May. And has been all
| month and basically all year since last November.
|
| I don't see how you can call that good temperature.
| runarberg wrote:
| I moved here from Reykjavik, and I'm loving this spring.
| turtlebits wrote:
| It was absolutely beautiful on Tues/Wed. High 50's and
| sunny. (Maybe I'm used to it, but 40s/50s in the spring
| when the sun is out is unbeatable).
|
| IMO, Seattle has the best summers (save last years heat
| wave). Nice weather from May - September.
| bogomipz wrote:
| Isn't it Medellin though thats known as the "city of eternal
| spring" because of the weather?
| el-salvador wrote:
| Guatemala has nice spring weather too because of altitude.
|
| It ranges from +13C to +23C. With extremes being +7C or +28C
| depending on the time of the year.
| aunty_helen wrote:
| Yes, Bogota is more much larger, more polluted, worse
| traffic, colder and at a high altitude (Medellin is about
| 1500m, Bogota 2600m).
|
| It has rained pretty much every day this year in Medellin
| though. Still it's 20c Edit: Begins to rain
| goeiedaggoeie wrote:
| I am here as well. It looks like La Nina this year. Even
| though it has rained a lot the weather is still incredible.
| I originally come from Cape Town and Medellin is the most
| perfect weather I have ever lived in.
| kgbcia wrote:
| spoiler : Reykjavik, Iceland because of English speaking
| programmer. I might be interested.
| renox wrote:
| Mmm that's difficult to define for example in Le Havre (an
| harbour NW of France) the average temperature is quite consistent
| due to the sea proximity but the weather is often very variable
| (and the weather forecasts aren't reliable): keep your sun hat
| AND your umbrella with you..
|
| While near Paris the weather is more stable during a day, but
| from day to day the temperature variations are higher..
| annexrichmond wrote:
| > I live near Toronto. It's springtime, and currently about 30
| degC
|
| I don't think this is true. It's been around 20deg at most in the
| Toronto area this past week.
|
| https://www.accuweather.com/en/ca/toronto/m5h/may-weather/55...
| james_pm wrote:
| Correct. Hasn't been near 30C in Toronto this week (source: me,
| Toronto resident). This person could solve a lot of his
| problems with Toronto weather by moving close to the lake. It's
| generally a few degrees cooler in the summer, and warmer in the
| winter. Having four distinct seasons is nice, although fall
| (the best season, IMO) is way too short and winter is a bit too
| long.
| l8arrival wrote:
| I think being near the lake is definitely nicer in the
| summer, and probably winter too, as it moderates the
| temperature. On the other hand in the spring and fall, since
| the water temperature can be so much colder than the air, it
| can be quite cold and breezy by the lake, and nice and warm
| away from the lake.
| leto_ii wrote:
| > We'll ignore any other weather characteristics like humidity,
| rain, wind, diurnal temperature difference, etc.
|
| Ha! So basically you're ignoring most of what weather is. I'm
| surprised Amsterdam (my current location) didn't end on top. I
| mean if you ignore the rain and the wind (and the sunshine hours)
| it's actually not that bad...
| holoduke wrote:
| There is a strong correlation between rich and good weather.
| Amsterdam a city being rich for many hundreds years has pretty
| good weather. almost all milt weather cities are rich. Whereas
| warm climates are a recipe for poorness
| dantondwa wrote:
| I'd be careful making such statements without data. For
| example, one could wonder if what you observe is a correlation,
| but not a causation: cities that are close to the sea are rich,
| as seas allow easy trade. And cities that are close to the sea
| have a good climate, obviously.
| flakiness wrote:
| As a Python user I feel envious every time R folks use the
| pipeline operator. It'd be so nice to have one for data mangling!
| MrDresden wrote:
| A Reykjavik local here.
|
| Apart from not taking into account for wind and precipitation (as
| has been mentioned in other comments) the analysis should also
| look into the average amount of sunshine (or the average amount
| of cloud cover) as well as look into seasonal exposer to the sun
| based on latitude.
|
| Reykjavik can go weeks without a break in the cloud cover, with
| howling winds shacking the concrete bunker you live in.
|
| Sure its probably not more than -10degC outside with windchill,
| but you'll feel your body complaining about your life choices
| pretty quickly.
|
| And then there is the winter darkness.
| DoingIsLearning wrote:
| > you'll feel your body complaining about your life choices
| pretty quickly.
|
| Beautiful landscape and super nice people but I was there in
| Spring and I struggled with modern clothing.
|
| All my time there I kept thinking how on earth did someone 1200
| years thought that was a good spot for a settlement.
| MrDresden wrote:
| In 3 words, the medieval warm period. It has been suggested
| as the reason settlers were able to get the initial foothold.
|
| The island's lowlands were also densely covered in birch
| forest when discovered in the late 800s, so there was plenty
| of wood to be had which would have helped.
|
| Grazing animals would have had an easy time, as can be seen
| with the size of the sheep population and the deforestation
| effect they had on the island. The wool produced was a big
| part of how the settlers survived winter.
| classichasclass wrote:
| San Diego should rank highly on this list.
| oh_sigh wrote:
| I traveled there for work once in February and it was sunny and
| high 60s the entire week. I could only think of how grossly
| unfair it was that people were allowed to live like that. I saw
| a guy rollerblading with no shirt on.
| donthellbanme wrote:
| As a kid, I used to visit my cousins in San Diego, and two
| summers in a row we had heat waves.
|
| Even though I loved my cousins, the humidity/heat was enough
| for me to beg to go home.
|
| I remember feeling the fog on the Golden Gate bridge going
| north, and I was just relieved.
|
| I helped a friend move from Joplin, MO. ten years ago. I
| actually brought my bicycle because daily exercise helped
| with my anxiety/depression.
|
| I got off the plane, and that thick moist hot air hit me. I
| knew there will be no exercise.
|
| My best buddy had a big 7-11 Big Gulp drink in his hand for
| me. I asked if it's always this hot.
|
| He said this is actually mild.
|
| We were both very broke, and figured I'd get used to the
| heat. My job was to move him from Joblin to San Rafael. We
| were beyond co-dependants, and best friends for years.
|
| He took me to his house. It was a small home his father had
| build in the 40's. He didn't have money to air condition the
| entire house, but he put up sheets on the kitchen in place of
| doors. He had one window air conditioner, and that is where
| we lived for two weeks.
|
| He was getting over his mother's passing.
|
| In the morning he said, "Just trust me on how to survive the
| heat.".
|
| We would basically just hydrate all day, and look for air
| conditioning. He smoked heavily, and was just better with the
| heat than me. He was much older than me, but I was a fat boy.
|
| (I noticed the successful, productive Missourian's went from
| air conditioned homes, to air conditioned cars, to air
| conditioned offices. The poor just sweltered.)
|
| I miss you Robert. You were a good friend.
| fy20 wrote:
| Where I live it's like that too... for maybe one week a year.
| Nursie wrote:
| Similar winter climate here in Perth, Western Australia.
|
| But high 60s feels _cold_ when you regularly get summer days
| over 100 and it occasionally hits the low hundred-teens...
| system2 wrote:
| Were you comfortable walking around with a t-shirt around
| December?
| holler wrote:
| I walk around with a t-shirt in December in Seattle, but then
| I grew up in San Diego...
| kylehotchkiss wrote:
| Last December in San Diego was definitely t-shirt and shorts
| weather. It was rainy quite a few days too!
| teaearlgraycold wrote:
| I'm surprised Redwood City's marketing hasn't made it to the
| author. "Climate Best by Government Test"! It's a settled fact in
| my opinion.
| madman2890 wrote:
| Manizales, Colombia
| ricardo81 wrote:
| Weather seems like the classic the grass is greener elsewhere. I
| see Edinburgh ranks well which I live near. Had also lived near
| Toronto and can vouch for the less extreme temperature variance
| in Scotland. The seasons are less well defined here, it's quite
| normal to have all 4 seasons in a day.
| PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
| In the high desert of the US southwest (6000'/1800m and above),
| it is not unusual to see diurnal temperature swings of 30F/16C
| or close to it. It's completely normal for at least 2 seasons a
| year to need an insulated jacket in the morning and evening, a
| light sweater just after and before the jacket is
| removed/added, and a t-shirt or similar for the middle of the
| day. Of course, the chance of rain is close to zero outside of
| any monsoon season that may or may not occur.
| addaon wrote:
| I'm in the southwest at 5000', and if anything you're
| understating it. To choose convenient arbitrary samples:
| Tomorrow 40degF low / 82degF high (42degF delta); Saturday
| 45degF low / 90degF high (45degF delta). Even 60degF swing
| isn't unheard of.
| cagey wrote:
| Ditto: I'm in the southwest (SE AZ) at 4700': Tomorrow 58degF
| low / 90degF high (32degF delta); Saturday 61degF low /
| 94degF high (33degF delta). An approximate 30degF diurnal
| swing is pretty much the norm year-round here. Your comment
| about precip and monsoon season applies too.
| fluidcruft wrote:
| So basically ignore everything else and go toward the equator to
| remove seasons and then select average temperature by picking
| elevation.
| reactspa wrote:
| Nice analysis, but...
|
| ...here's something I find astonishing.
|
| The word "R" doesn't appear anywhere in this article.
|
| He doesn't mention anywhere that he's using "R", and within "R"
| he's using the "tidyverse".
|
| So much good work to write a tutorial, but a rank beginner will
| have a hard time figuring out how to replicate it.
| this_is_not_you wrote:
| It says "This page was generated from an R markdown file."
| under Tools at the top.
| Liquid_Fire wrote:
| This seems to have been added in response to parent's
| comment.
| hughlilly wrote:
| Yeah I had no idea what he was using til I read your comment. I
| thought it was Python but it didn't look enough like Python...
| [deleted]
| redrobein wrote:
| The code blocks blending in with the rest of the post and the
| code itself is very aesthetically pleasing. I thought it was
| julia at first glance.
| thefringthing wrote:
| I'd prefer if the `tufte` theme would render the "|>" pipes
| as ">" but I wasn't prepared to do that level of tinkering.
| thefringthing wrote:
| I will consider adding a section mentioning the tools! (I'm the
| author of this page.)
| yreg wrote:
| I really like the design/typography of the article. Pleasant
| and elegant.
| thefringthing wrote:
| It's a recreation of the style used by Edward Tufte, who
| wrote an influential book on data visualization.
| freeqaz wrote:
| I was wondering if it was R or Datalog. Thank you!
|
| I did something similar to this with SQLite once. That was fun.
| at_a_remove wrote:
| What is "nice weather" really varies by person. Personally, I
| would love something where the temperature didn't vary a lot, it
| is damp, but most importantly, it is overcast/dark as much as
| possible. Hence my ideal locale would be the Pacific Northwest.
| jraby3 wrote:
| I live in Tel Aviv and the weather there is ideal (for me). Sunny
| about 300 days a year and doesn't get too hot because of the sea.
|
| Coming from the NE US the winters were brutal and the summers
| were so humid you could cut the air with a knife.
|
| Wonder if this is one of the reasons TA is one of the most
| expensive (and successful) cities in the world.
| doitLP wrote:
| Just use this tool: https://lukechampine.com/goldilocks/
|
| (Posted to HN two months ago and very helpful convincing my wife
| that there's only a couple places in the US with weather like San
| Diego)
| athenot wrote:
| This only looks at one dimension: temperature. There are other
| dimensions to look at:
|
| - Humidity, or rather: Dew Point. 22oC / 72F feels awesome or
| nasty depending on whether dewpoint is 10oC or 21oC. Anything
| above 16oC is generally unpleasant.
|
| - Sunshine. Many overcast days can do a number on our well
| being, but some people actually prefer the softer light.
|
| - Rainfall. Some prefer more on the dry side, others more on
| the lush side. Again, it's a personal preference.
|
| - Variety throughout the year. Some of us actually enjoy the
| diversity of seasons while others prefer constance.
| dzhiurgis wrote:
| I'd add UV to the mix - i.e. Auckland climate is great, but
| on sunny day you generally stay away from it.
| mprovost wrote:
| That's true of any place in the Southern hemisphere though.
| beeforpork wrote:
| Cuzco is at a high altitude, which is an important metric, too --
| it is relatively cold and has lower levels of oxygen.
|
| Algeciras or Tarifa or anything in the close vicinity to
| Gibraltar is nice, as there is an unusually cool climate that is
| much more agreeable than other parts of Southern Spain (usually
| way too hot, e.g., Seville).
|
| Jamestown, St. Helena is also nice weather in your definition,
| and they speak English. But the humidity may be a bit too high.
|
| How this can be found automatically would be interesting. I was
| surprised not to find the above places in the article.
| Dave3of5 wrote:
| There is no qualitative way to work this out. Your graphs and
| numbers here are meaningless.
| ricardobayes wrote:
| Canary Islands are notably missing. It's practically between 22
| and 27C all year long.
| davidmitchell2 wrote:
| +1 for Canary!
| odysseus wrote:
| This reminds me of Kelly Norton'a Pleasant Places to Live, where
| you can search by ZIP code:
|
| https://kellegous.com/j/2014/02/03/pleasant-places/
|
| I wrote to him to try and get the places listed in table form,
| sortable CSV, but never received a reply.
| jaggederest wrote:
| Another interesting measure for these purposes is "heating degree
| days" and "cooling degree days", i.e. how much the outside
| temperature varies from indoor temperature.
|
| One of my former coworkers who lived in San Diego said that
| people there complain whenever the temperature outside is
| different than the temperature inside, and sure enough, it's the
| lowest by summed heating and cooling degree days in the US.
| rootw0rm wrote:
| that may be true...but as someone who's lived in San Diego
| before, I can say that the weather and pretty much everything
| else there, except the traffic, is pretty awesome.
| adanto6840 wrote:
| Don't forget to include the cost-of-living and the taxes,
| along with the traffic.
|
| The weather is quite nice -- but if you really like/want to
| experience distinct seasons throughout the year, then the
| lack of variability may leave you dissatisfied.
| [deleted]
| darkhorn wrote:
| Nice weather is lots of rain and snow, whithout humidity, and no
| extreme temperatures.
| jrd79 wrote:
| Shameless plug: weatherspark.com has a great compare feature that
| is extremely useful when evaluating the relative merits of a
| given location's climate. See the following comparison page
| between Algiers and LA:
|
| https://weatherspark.com/compare/y/48929~1705/Comparison-of-...
| erfgh wrote:
| You mean climate.
| chrsw wrote:
| San Diego has the best weather I've ever experienced. I've been
| there at different times of the year too. I don't live there and
| don't have any motivation to say that other than just being
| honest. I don't have any data to support my claim but it's not
| even mentioned in this analysis. I wonder what criteria ruled it
| out.
| rcpt wrote:
| Hawaii Big island you can decide your weather by simply driving
| to a higher elevation
| igorstellar wrote:
| It's interesting, since it could be very dry east, but it has
| most humid/rainy area in US (Hilo). One of the most
| fascinating islands in my opinion.
| angarg12 wrote:
| > We'll ignore any other weather characteristics like humidity,
| rain, wind, diurnal temperature difference, etc.
|
| I chuckled at this. Ignoring factors like humidity, rain, wind,
| and number of sunny days gives you a very distorted vision of the
| weather in a given place.
| cush wrote:
| > we'll ignore the weather
| avereveard wrote:
| Yeah, not surprising to see Dublin surface in a good weather
| list built off temperatures alone, and yet the weather is piss
| poor for 49/52 weeks a year.
| nixass wrote:
| Even the weather is miserable in Dublin, there's a ton of
| other more miserable things about that city. It's just
| combination of everything awful
| ihateolives wrote:
| Of the places I've been Dublin has the most stable weather
| except perhaps Canary islands, but the difference is that
| Dublin has stable and shitty weather while Canary islands
| have stable and nice.
|
| I love Ireland but couldn't live there full time.
| rootw0rm wrote:
| of the many excellent comments for this story, yours made
| me laugh the hardest, haha.
| almostarockstar wrote:
| I currently live in Dublin, I think you are exaggerating
| quite a bit.
|
| There are many reasons not to live in Dublin (poor housing
| quality / price, high cost of living, poor public transport,
| crime, etc) but the weather is absolutely not on that list.
|
| Dublin has about 130 rainfall days each year, and most of
| those are in the winter. Most days are mild and dry. The
| weather is warm and pleasant enough to enjoy water sports
| year-round. I spend most of my recreation time during the
| winter in a wetsuit without a hood.
|
| We don't get heavy snow, extreme cold/heat, hurricane force
| winds, or flooding. Overall, I think the weather here is
| better than most people give it credit for.
| bogomipz wrote:
| >"There are many reasons not to live in Dublin (poor
| housing quality / price, high cost of living, poor public
| transport, crime, etc)"
|
| I was kind of surprised to see poor public transport on
| your list as it's a major European city. Is this true of
| the whole city or just certain parts?
| returningfory2 wrote:
| For me the problem with Ireland's weather is the lack of
| sunshine. It gets about 1500 hours of sunshine a year,
| compared to 2500 in New York and over 3000 in California.
| Growing up in Ireland I didn't identify this as a problem,
| but after moving to the US I realized that lots of sun,
| even on freezing days, is just so nice.
| ihateolives wrote:
| Last year Dublin had 26deg C "heatwave" and people were
| complaining. I'd take it over 16deg intermittent rain any
| day.
| avereveard wrote:
| I've lived in Dublin enough to get depression and gtfo
|
| the weather, even when it's not rainy, it's ofter
| miserable, with very low overcast that gives us southerner
| an unredeemable sense of oppression.
|
| > hurricane force winds
|
| my worst landing ever were all clustered around the dublin
| airport. gusts up to 100/130 aren't as uncommon as you make
| it to be.
|
| and all the people I knew that indulged in water sport did
| so with thick wetsuites
| rob74 wrote:
| Well, that's oceanic vs. continental climate for you: a large
| mass of water nearby (preferably to the East) tends to even out
| temperature differences, but you also get a lot of moisture.
| You can't have everything, as they say.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceanic_climate
|
| I'm quite surprised Quito (capital of Ecuador) didn't come up
| however: it's near the Equator, so constant temperatures, and
| at very high altitude, which reduces the temperature to
| pleasant levels (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quito#Climate).
| FabHK wrote:
| Exactly. Quito and (very similarly) Medellin missing? Huge
| red flag.
|
| The methodology is very clearly flawed; maybe amusing as a
| programming exercise, but of no value in determining where
| one wants to live.
| mtalantikite wrote:
| Yeah I came here to say the same. Medellin has some of the
| nicest weather of anywhere I've ever been, and it's like
| that all year long.
|
| As a New Yorker, I personally like some variation of the
| seasons, but I guess if I lived in Medellin I could always
| head up to the Caribbean coast for some beach weather.
| throw0101a wrote:
| > _Well, that 's oceanic vs. continental climate for you: a
| large mass of water nearby_
|
| Toronto is right on Lake Ontario which, at least for the old
| city, moderates weather a lot compared to just 100-200 km
| north of the city. Things can change quite a bit by the time
| you get to Lake Simcoe, or to the west (Guelph-London-Owne
| Sound triangle).
| s0rce wrote:
| I grew up in Toronto and lived in Oakland for the past 6 years.
| Other than some smokey summers weather is near perfect. Very mild
| "winters", beautiful and sunny summers (much less fog than the
| coast or Berkeley) with only a few days >30C. Low humidity most
| of the year. I'm in Carson City now and its colder/hotter, still
| no humidity.
| myowz wrote:
| I am looking for someone to do a data crunch like this and see
| Oakland emerge as a big winner
| tagami wrote:
| I was born an raised in Oakland. Live in the East Bay.
| Oakland has amazing weather. There are social challenges it
| faces now that give it substantially reduced marks.
| Tabular-Iceberg wrote:
| Stanley is my all time favourite, but you're forced to use
| expensive, unusably slow satellite internet, so it's no place for
| a technologist to live.
|
| Maybe Starlink can change that, it's going to be interesting to
| see.
| thriftwy wrote:
| Cusco and La Paz, etc, are highland cities. If you are not
| accustomized to living at 2km+ altitude you would be miserable
| and may get health problems and/or depression. This just shows
| how bad oligoparametrical models are.
| ectopod wrote:
| I used to live in La Paz. It's nearly 4km up. I did like the
| climate though.
| raspasov wrote:
| San Diego
| bigbacaloa wrote:
| Ignoring humidity Is stupid. Madrid is hotter than Chicago but
| has much nicer weather.
| divbzero wrote:
| I would also be curious to see the same marginal histogram
| animated over time.
| 867-5309 wrote:
| seemingly the only English-speaking city on the list, is this
| Stanley, NB or Stanley, WI?
| thefringthing wrote:
| It's Stanley, Falkland Islands.
| 867-5309 wrote:
| I'm not so sure about that. googling for annual weather there
| returns
|
| "winter is cold, windy and snowy, while summer is very cool,
| if not cold, and it's rainy and windy as well"
|
| "summers are cold, the winters are very cold, and it is
| extremely windy and mostly cloudy year round"
|
| but then, Reykjavik is on the list so who knows
| prpl wrote:
| I've lived 12 years in the bay area and spent quite a bit of time
| in Chile (mostly Santiago, but other places too). Both are great
| and pretty close to ideal.
| [deleted]
| andix wrote:
| Your algorithm should probably return places like Lisbon or Nice,
| which have nice and sunny weather all year round, but not too hot
| summers. And not Reykjavik, where you need functional clothing
| (water and wind proof) all year round.
| anilgulecha wrote:
| Great weather, but Bangalore (tshirt all year around) doesn't
| make the cut? makes me suspect something is off with the data or
| analysis. (Perhaps it's the anchoring on 9 celcius? that's
| chilly.)
| tintedfireglass wrote:
| The cyclone is also bringing a 20C May this time. The past few
| days were pretty damp and cold. This week was expected to be
| the hottest on record for bengaluru but rain saved us :)
| extrememacaroni wrote:
| From what I see in the news India will soon be 60 degrees and
| death all year round because of global warming so it should
| probably not make many lists :(
| nsenifty wrote:
| Can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but India isn't a tiny
| country with a single temperature zone. Cities like Bangalore
| have great weather year long. The real problem is dust and
| pollution.
| yamazakiwi wrote:
| They're not being sarcastic, they're referencing a heatmap
| that is growing in popularity showing an intense heat wave
| covering India currently.
| dghughes wrote:
| When I meet people from other countries I like to ask about the
| weather where they are from.
|
| Two of the best places I've heard of that sound nice coming from
| people who are form there.
|
| Monaco/Nice France. Summer can be quite warm but not winters are
| moderate about 15C (which to them was a cold winter). Really
| anywhere on the shores of the Mediterranean would be nice.
|
| The other is Kigali, Rwanda I asked someone what it was like they
| said summer about 26C and winter about 15C - very stable, very
| little variation.
|
| For both of those places no hurricanes, tornadoes, no snow, no
| wild temperature changes.
| jll29 wrote:
| Dear author,
|
| I can tell you Edinburgh is best; however, not _because_ of the
| weather, but _despite_ the weather.
| thematrixturtle wrote:
| You'd probably want to factor in precipitation and humidity as
| well. Also, having lived in the tropics for a long time, having
| _no_ variation also gets a little boring after a while, although
| it is nice to never having to pay attention to the weather
| forecast.
| fortysixdegrees wrote:
| I did a similar study many years ago then actually moved to the
| city. It was wonderful, the climate was perfect for me. Moderate
| all year, low humidity, low wind and rain.
|
| Guanajuato, Guanajuato, Mexico was the answer for me. I will move
| back there when the kids are older.
| gautamcgoel wrote:
| Do you feel safe in Mexico? I saw an HN comment the other day
| from someone who had acquaintances who moved to Mexico and were
| murdered.
| freeqaz wrote:
| I spent a month down there once. Definitely very nice! I found
| the food wasn't that great though, unfortunately.
|
| What makes you want to live there?
| downut wrote:
| Basically quite a few places in Mexico. La Ciudad de Mexico or
| Ensenada for me. I intensely love Mexico City but Ensenada is
| where I'm moving to. Entirely for health insurance reasons. I
| will be there tomorrow hooray.
|
| There's Guanajauto, but also Queretaro, San Mig, Leon. The
| central highlands are big and agreeable.
|
| People here love San Diego... I know San Diego really well, and
| I think Ensenada beats it in every way. San Diego is like a
| little brother to LA. It sure _seems_ like it would be great to
| live there, and I suppose if you are desperate to spend quality
| time sitting in your car crawling in traffic it is ideal, but
| that 's not for me.
| bogomipz wrote:
| What's the connection between Ensenada and health insurance?
| readonthegoapp wrote:
| 30C?
|
| toronto weather right now 1am EST May 13 is 64F.
|
| ...oh, ok, C, got it. so, too hot? i dig the seasons.
|
| but, global warming. the new extremes are going to be too damn
| hot, and deadly hot, so...
| TacticalCoder wrote:
| The Mediterannean seaside. The french riviera, Italy, Croatia. I
| spent lots of time in Spain (Valencia): way too warm in the
| summer IMO (too much south) and the spanish kinda build fugly
| buildings along the entire coast, ruining it (compared to France,
| the difference is staggering).
|
| Here on the french riviera / Cote d'Azur I get to type this while
| watching the sea and I get my kid to the village's school while
| driving through the vineyeards. Beach is a three minutes walk.
|
| I'd say that lots of poets/writers/actors/oligarchs (!)/etc.
| kinda figured this out a long time ago.
|
| Sure, it gets a bit wild in july/august when all the tourists and
| billionaires come in the area and population goes 5x to 10x but
| it makes things fun.
|
| During the winter you may get below zero temperatures but it's
| highly uncommon (the sea regulates both summer and winter) and,
| anyway, even when that happen, you can still have days where you
| can then eat lunch outside.
|
| Internet ain't staggering yet but I can get a 4G battery-powered
| router (because why not, it's 70 EUR) and a 15 EUR / month data
| plan SIM that can do 80 GB per month while waiting for fiber
| (it's coming, 18% of my district already has fiber).
| ricardobayes wrote:
| I agree this area (mediterranean coast) is one of the best in
| the world. There are nuances between countries: Italy has
| arguably the best food, Spain has the best weather, France has
| a combination of these two, good food and good weather. In my
| case I went for Spain because I don't like to feel the cold,
| ever. I like to be outdoors all year, plus villas cost a
| fraction of what they cost in France or Italy. You can easily
| buy a completely new build with a pool in a nice area for
| 300.000EUR.
| bogomipz wrote:
| Where about in the Cote d'Azur do you get vineyards a few
| minutes from the beach? That sounds amazing.
| andruby wrote:
| How expense is real estate along the French Riviera? I loved
| going there as a kid though, so can totally see it being an
| ideal climate if you're able to afford it.
| downut wrote:
| Check out the expenses for Montpellier. Cheaper than any US
| city you could stand to live in. The food is immensely better
| too.
| rynbill wrote:
| Are you an expat? I've been dreaming about a relocation to this
| area but I don't know where to start.
| ohgodplsno wrote:
| >Cities with Nice Weather
|
| >Doesn't include the city of Nice
|
| disappointing
| dvirsky wrote:
| I was just reading the Wiki page for Bogota yesterday and was
| like "damn, that city has my favorite kind of weather and it
| barely changes". Is it a good place to live in otherwise?
| sega_sai wrote:
| I think people are a bit too critical here, as people's view on
| weather are different, i.e. utility functions are different. As a
| person living in Edinburgh though, I can say the weather is not
| too bad, but certainly could be tad warmer without being
| uncomfortable.
| rgmerk wrote:
| If your methodology for identifying "cities with nice weather"
| returns Reykjavik in its top ten, either your sample only
| includes places with terrible weather, or your methodology is
| completely whacked.
|
| Reykjavik is a wonderful little city, but it's cold, extremely
| windy, and often very miserable.
|
| The place with the most pleasant weather I've ever experienced is
| probably the area around the Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia
| (at least, most of the time - they've had an extraordinary run of
| flooding rains, recently). 70 degree Fahrenheit maximums in the
| winter, 82 in the summer, warm-water beaches, sea breezes to take
| the edge off the humidity - and there's mountains next door you
| can recreate in during summer to take the edge off. What more
| could you possibly want, except possibly snow if you're one of
| those weirdos who likes the stuff?
|
| A more appropriate methodology would take into account wet bulb
| temperatures, rainfall amounts, hours of sunshine, and wind
| (aside from its effect on wet bulb temperature a howling gale is
| unpleasant in its own right).
|
| Still, given the poster's starting point was Toronto...well...
| bryanrasmussen wrote:
| >If your methodology for identifying "cities with nice weather"
| returns Reykjavik in its top ten, either your sample only
| includes places with terrible weather, or your methodology is
| completely whacked.
|
| Or you have different opinions than most people, for example I
| tend to really dislike summer in most places because I dislike
| hot weather more than I dislike cold weather, even here in
| Denmark I dislike summer.
|
| on edit: fixed spelling.
| blamazon wrote:
| Also, hours of daylight in winter is a factor. I was in
| Reykjavik for Christmas once and there was about 4 hours of
| sunlight each day. It confuses the body.
| Hamuko wrote:
| It's not really that confusing if you actually live there.
| Speaking from experience, since I grew up further north than
| 99% of the world population (Reykjavik would be down to the
| south).
| cpach wrote:
| I don't find it confusing, but it's dreary though.
| Especially in regions where there's short days but very
| little snow.
| Nullabillity wrote:
| That's what people always seem to be concerned about... but
| the real problem up north is the eternal summer days. Enjoy
| never getting a night's proper sleep!
| drodil wrote:
| In Finland we usually sleep during the winters and stay
| awake during the summers
| thematrixturtle wrote:
| This problem is trivially fixed with blackout curtains.
| Dealing with lack of sun is harder.
| Nullabillity wrote:
| Lack of sun is trivially fixed with lights.
|
| Blackout curtains don't form a good seal and always let
| light bleed through around the edges.
| citboin wrote:
| You want " Blackout EZ - Total Sunlight Blocking Window
| Covers" (available on Amazon) which seal to Velcro strips
| that are mounted around your windows with screws, and a
| DIY hard shell window valence above that, plus blackout
| curtains over that just so it doesn't look so stark.
| That's what I do.
| PKop wrote:
| No it isn't. Sunlight is an important source of Vitamin
| D, which affects immune system, hormones, and mood. There
| are special lamps to supplement this, but it is not so
| trivial as turning on "lights".
| throw-ru-938 wrote:
| One of my best investments ever was a good sleeping mask.
| These do not let any light in (even around the edges if
| it's a good fit), and unlike blackout curtains they're
| portable.
| Nullabillity wrote:
| That sounds really uncomfortable, I doubt I'd be able to
| sleep well with that kind of pressure on my face.
| throw-ru-938 wrote:
| YMMV, but I got completely used to a mask after a couple
| of nights.
| telesilla wrote:
| I'm curious to try a solution such as electrochromic
| glass, but to get a better blackout the glass seems to
| need to be tinted. But on the Dreamliner plane, they seem
| to have solved this. Not sure if it's just uneconomical
| at a house scale.
| cpach wrote:
| _"Lack of sun is trivially fixed with lights."_
|
| As someone who lives in Sweden, I can't agree there.
|
| Lights can never fully replace sunlight. It's not even
| close.
| Nullabillity wrote:
| > As someone who lives in Sweden, I can't agree there.
|
| I've lived in Sweden my whole life, and in Norrbotten for
| a decade.
| cpach wrote:
| Ah. I would probably not survive north of Gavle :-p
| vintermann wrote:
| Why can't those damn coelux things become mass produced?
| FredPret wrote:
| Velcro + blackout curtain
| thematrixturtle wrote:
| It actually isn't, because most home lighting is far less
| intense than the sun and the wrong spectrum to boot.
| Light therapy works but sitting in front of a big bright
| box is not terribly convenient or fun.
|
| And if your blackout curtains don't work, get better
| ones. Many Nordic households have double curtains, one
| solid plastic to block the vast majority of the light and
| the other from cloth to diffuse/block the rest and look
| pretty.
| quickthrower2 wrote:
| Eye mask too
| ProZsolt wrote:
| Instal proper window shutters. Your rooms will be pitch
| black.
| Hamuko wrote:
| I'd say any (regular) amount of snow disqualifies your city as
| having "nice weather".
| t-3 wrote:
| Snow isn't bad compared to rain. At least it looks nice and
| lights up the night.
| throw0101a wrote:
| > _Snow isn 't bad compared to rain. At least it looks nice
| and lights up the night._
|
| You don't have to shovel rain.
| [deleted]
| dam_broke_it wrote:
| Try shoveling 6-9 inches of snow per storm--storms every
| 4-6 days during the winter in the Rockies....
| t-3 wrote:
| I live in Michigan. We might not get quite as much
| precipitation as the mountains, but I assure you, I'm no
| stranger to snow.
| Hamuko wrote:
| What? Snow is way worse. There's basically no comparison.
|
| If it rains, you can still drive, walk and cycle. If it
| snows, your car will get stuck in the snow, your bike will
| get stuck in the snow, and you will completely soak your
| boots and pants as you slog through the snow.
|
| Things get somewhat improved when they plough the roads,
| but the big problem with ploughing is that it polishes the
| road surface. So if you're walking or cycling, you're
| constantly in danger of slipping, and it's much harder to
| control and stop your car. And obviously if you live where
| it snows, you have to switch between summer and winter
| tyres twice a year in order to deal with it. Haven't heard
| of people switching between tyres because it rains.
|
| If you're walking and it snows, you basically want to wait
| until someone ploughs the roads and then carpet bombs it
| with grit. Grit that will stay around when the snow melts
| and has to be cleaned up. And when they clean up the grit,
| it kicks up a bunch of dust and you get to breathe it in.
|
| I don't think the elderly start falling and breaking their
| bones whenever a rainy season starts somewhere, but they
| most definitely do when it starts snowing. The couple of
| times that I've hurt myself in the past years have been
| because of snow and ice. My grandma got put in a wheelchair
| after breaking her leg in icy stairs.
|
| That snow also has to be stored somewhere, so the sides of
| roads, sidewalks, parking lots, will all be full of massive
| piles of snow that will obviously eat away space that you
| could otherwise use. A whole sidewalk might turn into a
| one-person wide path.
|
| If you're driving and it rains, it'll wipe off pretty easy.
| If it snows, it wipes off way worse. And if it's heavy
| snow, it will actually get stuck in the wipers and
| basically make the wipers useless. Obviously heavy rain is
| also an issue for visibility, but at least your wipers
| won't stop working.
|
| And when spring comes, the snow melts and everywhere it wet
| for weeks. And since it usually fluctuates above and below
| 0degC, that water will freeze, melt, freeze, melt, freeze,
| melt, which is once again a shitty experience for all road
| users.
|
| There's so many downsides to snow that I can't probably
| think of all of them right now.
| t-3 wrote:
| Those are only problems for people not used to driving
| and walking in snow. Rain gets you wet, which is way
| worse than any snow.
| Hamuko wrote:
| Good to know I haven't gotten used to driving and walking
| in snow.
|
| Guess what also gets you wet? Snow. It'll even get you
| wet when it isn't snowing, since it stays on the ground,
| and for a very long time.
| t-3 wrote:
| Not if it's cold enough ;)
| ido wrote:
| I think it really depends. Here (northern Germany) you
| don't really get a lot of snow. So a bit of snow & the
| accompanied very dry weather is significantly nicer than
| the cold, damp ~0-5c rain you'd otherwise get in winter.
| The snow usually doesn't pile up high enough to really be
| a problem.
|
| So the choice here is "slightly below 0 with a bit of
| snow" or "slightly above 0 with rain". It's not like
| crazy canadian levels of "a meter of snow and -30c" type
| situation.
| ProZsolt wrote:
| There is no problem cycling in snow:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU
|
| If you have proper snow you won't get wet as the snow
| won't melt.
| Hamuko wrote:
| I don't know how many times I have been linked this
| video, but it is several, and I imagine almost all of
| them have never actually cycled in Finland during the
| winter. But I have, for many years, and I can tell you
| that it does in fact suck!
|
| If the cycle paths are not plowed, you basically have no
| forward momentum, and even if you manage to cycle in it,
| your bike will refuse to go straight, especially when the
| snow is wet. And if they're plowed, they're still
| slippery to a point that wet asphalt could never be. Ever
| had to hard stop a bicycle on the snow because a car
| pulled in front of you? Not fun.
| cameronh90 wrote:
| It's possible, but it's still more difficult and
| dangerous. I have cycled in Finland in the snow, and it
| is objectively worse than in the dry or wet (albeit
| better than it is here in the UK).
|
| For example, cycling across parks or crossing between
| lanes, there's usually the odd snow drift or edge between
| the ploughed lanes. If you're not careful, you can lose
| traction going across those or even it can be frozen
| solid and you can hit it like a kerb. Then when it's just
| starting to get cold, before the streets are being
| gritted, you're much more vulnerable to black ice
| patches.
|
| Even on a well ploughed, gritted surface, the grip is
| still nowhere near comparable to the rain. As a bonus,
| the grit is really harsh on your bike's drivetrain, so
| you have to wash your bike thoroughly every time you
| ride.
| kblev wrote:
| Op really dislikes snow..
| mrep wrote:
| Definitely doesn't seem like a skier or snowboarder.
| cameronh90 wrote:
| Snow gets behind my glasses and into my eyes, blows into my
| ears, and gets blown into places that rain wouldn't
| normally reach, which then melts and gets wet.
|
| This means you need to seal yourself up much more rather
| than just getting an umbrella. It also is much more
| difficult to cycle in and covers up the street markings.
|
| I love how snow looks but then whenever I go out in it, I
| remember how much I hate it.
| Steltek wrote:
| If you don't have a snowy winter, you probably have a
| blistering hot summer. I can always get a beefier winter
| jacket for the cold but in the heat, there are only so many
| layers I can take off before being arrested.
| pb7 wrote:
| Or you're in the San Francisco Bay Area.
| acchow wrote:
| 100% this.
|
| You want to look for fingerprints with no blue (and
| ideally no dark green) and no red:
| https://weatherspark.com/map
|
| South Africa and parts of Chile looking real good
| dzhiurgis wrote:
| 82F is a lot. Auckland has solid 7 months of 23C - just perfect
| for jandals and tshirt.
| ravi-delia wrote:
| The model is clearly simplistic, but if you made me write out
| my ideal range of temperatures through the year, Reykjavik is
| perhaps a few degrees too cold month by month. Centering on
| freezing for the winter, just warm enough for a jacket during
| the summer, it's just about ideal. Wind isn't great though,
| I'll give you that.
| ekianjo wrote:
| Also, you can't just consider temperature without humidity. The
| way you feel about temperature depends hugely on the humidity
| levels in the air. This article is a very simple analysis, it's
| a lot more complex than that if you want to make reasonable
| choices.
| quirino wrote:
| The author's model doesn't really say that Reykjavik is a good
| option. From my understanding, the graph shows the cities which
| have less variation than all cities colder than them.
| Nullabillity wrote:
| It's a lot easier to deal with excessive cold than excessive
| heat. You can only have so many clothes to remove.
| twelvechairs wrote:
| The starting point for temperature and humidity should be the
| thermal comfort zone on a psychometric chart [0]. Wind can be
| considered in this too (see the 'natural ventilation' section).
| Hours of sunshine and rainfall should be separately measured.
|
| [0] https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/RABRuDIpRt8NxvGqB-
| Zu...
| ar0 wrote:
| Yes, that also immediately focussed my attention... We have
| friends from Iceland and I have since added Reykjavik to my
| weather app -- to feel good that weather there is even more
| miserable than where I currently am, wherever that may be.
|
| An obvious topic that seems missing from "good weather" is the
| amount and duration of rainfall.
| RC_ITR wrote:
| The universal criticism of things like this is 'you just
| codified your preferences and tried to make it seem scientific'
|
| What's scary about that is 99% of social science is just that.
| acchow wrote:
| The title is "Cities with nice weather" but in the writeup they
| didn't even look at cities with nice weather.
|
| FTA: "The area of this plot I'm most interested in is the
| vertical slice around Toronto"
|
| They were investigating cities with "average temperatures"
| around Toronto's. Which is going to be very cold, as you
| mentioned.
| irrational wrote:
| Yes, the title was clearly click bait. It got me to click,
| but had nothing to do with the cities with the nicest
| weather.
| thefringthing wrote:
| I didn't think anyone would post this to HN when I wrote
| it, so I certainly wasn't baiting clicks, except perhaps
| from the friends with whom I shared it directly.
| gwill wrote:
| your perception of what is "nice weather" matches up
| great with my own. Edinburgh has nearly perfect weather
| for my tastes.
| basicform wrote:
| Yes - be warned - this is a trap.
|
| We first named Greenland Greenland to trick people to go there
| instead of Iceland.
|
| Now we want people to come - so we are manipulating math and
| logic on a scale never seen before.
|
| Be vary of any data that points to Iceland as being a good
| place to live in terms of weather.
|
| The truth is "in Iceland, the weather is trying to kill you!"
| abofh wrote:
| Not sure if true, or just a new trap laid by iceland to keep
| me away...
| basicform wrote:
| Both.
| thefringthing wrote:
| My takeaway from reading Graenlendinga saga and Eiriks saga
| rauda was that Iceland is where you went when you got kicked
| out of Norway for killing too many people, and Greenland is
| where you went when you got kicked out of Iceland for killing
| too many people.
| swasheck wrote:
| "fall of civilizations" podcast episode 4 (https://fallofci
| vilizationspodcast.com/2019/03/26/episode-4-...) has an
| interesting, and alternative, take on this but to distill
| it, like so many other episodes in the series:
|
| climate change, man-made or otherwise, and the need to
| adapt pushed humans beyond the conventional borders of
| their tribes/clans. however, the precipitating event on the
| move from the mainland was a lot of murder.
| thefringthing wrote:
| My personal preference is definitely for colder temperatures
| than most other people would like.
|
| I didn't include humidity, precipitation, wind, etc., mostly
| because I threw this together in an hour or so and didn't
| intend for it to be a "serious" analysis, just a novelty.
| acchow wrote:
| > My personal preference is definitely for colder
| temperatures than most other people would like.
|
| You should really check out San Francisco...
| bpye wrote:
| I'm absolutely with you. I moved from the U.K. to Vancouver,
| BC and I've decided it's certainly at my upper bound for
| 'warm' summers.
| aaronbrethorst wrote:
| To be fair, last summer's heat dome in the PNW felt pretty
| close to the upper bound for habitability.
| rgmerk wrote:
| Fair enough. And it's a great discussion starter.
|
| Consider my original comment a slightly impolite suggestion
| how this might be done better, if somebody wants to have a
| crack.
| lotsofpulp wrote:
| Temperature on its own is a meaningless metric when
| discussing how comfortable the weather is. I'll take a dry
| 115F than a humid 90F.
| liamwire wrote:
| As a Queenslander, the crime rate on the Gold Coast,
| particularly around Surfers Paradise, subjectively feels a bit
| higher than other cities of a similar size. (It's still nothing
| too bad, nor am I looking at objective data currently.)
| dwd wrote:
| I know a few people who wouldn't live anywhere else after
| settling in Slacks Creek up in the hills behind the Gold
| Coast.
|
| Personally I'm more a Sunshine Coast person. But the money
| however seems to have discovered Byron Bay: A few of the
| lower-lying coastal towns flood frequently though.
| rgmerk wrote:
| Fair enough, and that's a reasonable question for the broader
| topic of "livability" (which as I'm sure you know there are
| global rankings for), but I personally wasn't considering
| "crime rates" as part of "weather".
| ezzaf wrote:
| I can just see the forecast now:
|
| "Partly cloudy. Medium (40%) chance of burglary, most
| likely later in the evening. Light winds becoming south to
| southeasterly 15 to 20 km/h during the morning."
| donavanm wrote:
| Having spent meaningful time in Reykjavik... hard concur.
| Seeing Dublin and Chicago in their target range simply
| reinforces the doubt. The bad assumptions start with average
| temp, but this is where it goes off the rails:
|
| > Let's see the same plot, including only the cities within one
| degree of Toronto's average temperature.
|
| So theyre really looking at "cities with an average temp
| similar to toronto, but lower variability." That is certainly
| one wag to look at weather, but Id be hard pressed to accept
| its "nice."
| twox2 wrote:
| One man's frostbite is another man's "nice weather.
| scoofy wrote:
| Seriously, if Californian coastal cities are not
| predominantly featured, there's something wrong with the
| methodology.
|
| Whether you like chilly Eureka, temperate San Francisco,
| moderate San Diego, or warm Los Angeles, you can't get more
| consistent weather than out here in California.
| caffeine wrote:
| I think his desire for "lower variability" than Toronto means
| he has gone from "sometimes bad" to "always bad" weather.
| TrysterosEmp wrote:
| Bringing Edinburgh into the mix definitely reinforces this
| take. "I want to live somewhere that's not total shit, but
| a bit shit... all the time"
| Simon_O_Rourke wrote:
| Well the thing about Dublin at least, you're unlikely to get
| six foot snow banks, or Chicago style freezing winds. But
| it's got the most bland weather both summer and winter. Never
| been to Iceland, but I guess the clue is in the name there!
| rowanajmarshall wrote:
| Assuming Dublin is pretty similar to the UK, it's the
| blandness that gets you. I'll take inconvenient variety
| over months of grey, dark dampness anytime.
| messe wrote:
| Similar enough, but tends to be ever so slightly more
| bland than even the UK. If I remember rightly Ireland has
| the highest lows and lowest highs of anywhere in Europe.
| thematrixturtle wrote:
| Oddly, Iceland rarely if ever gets really cold and even
| snow is mostly transient. Temps mostly hover between 0 and
| 10 C (30-50 F), and it rains quite a bit.
|
| It has often been suggested that the names of Greenland and
| Iceland should be reversed, and/or that "Greenland" was
| thus misnamed for marketing purposes to entice Viking
| settlers.
| pen2l wrote:
| Iceland is cold, but a very enjoyable kind of cold.
| There's this crispness in the air in Reykjavik which I
| always liked a lot. It's actually super fun to walk
| around the city or even away from the city. I dread the
| extreme winters of American cities though.
| vintermann wrote:
| With the amount of sunlight Reykjavik gets, "Greyland"
| might be more appropriate.
| netfortius wrote:
| After 30+ years in Chicago, I can tell you this data
| processing approach, deriving results presented, is
| completely wrong. Period.
| halfmatthalfcat wrote:
| Been a miserable "spring" this year...
| mrep wrote:
| It was only 90 degrees yesterday...
| halfmatthalfcat wrote:
| Yeah we went from winter to summer in a week.
| searchableguy wrote:
| It was 115F or 46 C here in the noon today.
| basicform wrote:
| No wind is factored in this equation. That kills Reykjavik.
|
| From page: "Next Steps: It would be interesting to use
| detailed time series for each city and a utility function on
| temperatures (perhaps including wind chill and humidex) to
| determine which cities are truly mean-variance optimal."
| starik36 wrote:
| Yep, was there in this February and while the temperature
| is not bad (bring hand warmers), there were multiple wind
| storms. One of them was so bad that you simply couldn't
| walk. Otherwise a wonderful city.
| yakubin wrote:
| Different people like different weather. For me e.g. Edinburgh
| has the perfect weather (I'm planning to move there). Where I
| am currently (Poland), I'm miserable in the summer, when
| humidity drops as low as 40% and temperatures get above 25degC
| (up to 33degC, or even 42degC in some godforesaken parts of the
| country). For me to feel comfortable, 22degC is the max (-5degC
| is the soft min, but will also take -20degC over 30degC),
| humidity should be at around 70% optimally (don't mind if it's
| higher than that) and definitely not lower than 50% (breathing
| gets less pleasant). I also prefer it when the sky is cloudy.
| Clear blue sky makes me feel as if I was living in a Windows XP
| wallpaper (kitchy) honestly, and it usually means in the middle
| of the day there is too much non-diffused light around (looks
| mildly worse aesthetically in my eyes, a lot worse on photos,
| and subconsciously I feel attacked by the rough changes in
| strength of light in different places, with it being really
| intense in some places, but practically non-existent in
| others).
| ekianjo wrote:
| > Different people like different weather
|
| Not really, rather people get used to where they have to live
| and then rationalize the fact that they "like it" because
| they don't really have a choice.
| alexcp_ wrote:
| If you do a lot of outdoor sports, it's nice to have
| different season. I do skiing in the winter and I look
| forward to snow storm for example.
| mrep wrote:
| Totally, boat life for me in the summer and ski life for
| me in the winter.
| yakubin wrote:
| That doesn't square with the fact that people who can
| afford it choose wildly-different places based on weather.
| Loads of people move from places like Edinburgh precisely
| due to weather, and move somewhere which is hotter, drier
| and sunnier, while I and some other people do the opposite.
| hattmall wrote:
| Other things factor into moves besides weather, even when
| weather is a factor. Certainly there is variability but
| it seems pretty clear that warmer, sunnier, areas are
| most desirable based on the costs of housing.
|
| When you really start looking at people with true
| choices, i.e. the very rich, they want moderate weather
| with hot enough summers for water sports to be a viable
| activity, but nice enough that other outdoor activities
| aren't prohibitively hot and extreme weather isn't a
| concern.
|
| A good example of this is Lake Oconee Georgia. It's
| basically bumfuck nowhere yet there's a plethora of
| multi-million dollar homes because the weather and
| geography are what falls in the ideal range for most
| people. So of course it's generally inaccessible to the
| average person but the super wealthy are gating it off
| and enjoying it.
| gwill wrote:
| people live places with various seasons and often have a
| favorite season. Their favorite is not always the longest
| season as well, which kind of throws out your
| rationalization theory.
|
| In fact, this post wouldn't exist if what you said is true.
| s17k wrote:
| I lived in Edinburgh for 3.5 years and rn I have moved back
| to Poland. The summers in Edi are great for working, most of
| the time it is very slightly below t-shirt weather. However,
| the weather oveerall is really bland for my taste. I enjoy
| the variety of winter snow and summer heat.
|
| Also, once in a while it is _very_ windy which is not too
| pleasant. The air feels fresh as well because it is somewhat
| windy all the time. I remember stepping out of the plane from
| Edinburgh once and feeling a weird sensation of quietness in
| my ears - turned out my ears just got used to constant wind.
| yakubin wrote:
| I didn't mention it, but wind is also a plus for me. Warsaw
| has too little wind for my taste. :)
| arethuza wrote:
| I remember a colleague who I worked alongside in Edinburgh
| commenting that his first impression coming from Spain was
| how quickly the clouds move here.
| adnmcq999 wrote:
| >>> nice weather
|
| >>> Scotland
|
| You need more variables
| bjarneh wrote:
| Also Iceland/Reykjavik in the top ranking makes me agree with
| you. I went to school with a girl from Iceland and she told me
| school was cancelled on days with nice weather in Iceland.
|
| A location where every sunny day becomes an instant holiday
| shouldn't end up at the top of a list like that. Cool website
| and demo of R nonetheless I guess.
| raister wrote:
| This is so very true... Funny anecdote: whilst deciding where
| to pursue a PhD, the Univ. of Edinburgh website stated: "If you
| are deciding based on weather, don't come here."
| _Wintermute wrote:
| The Scottish weather jokes are really tired at this point, I
| come from Manchester and when I lived in Edinburgh I got the
| "How do you like the Scottish weather?", but the weather in
| Edinburgh is pretty great compared to a lot of the UK,
| especially the western parts.
| hadlock wrote:
| Interesting to see him zero in on Cusco and Bogota. Both are
| equatorial(esque) cities. Bogota is at 8,000 ft and Cusco is at
| ~11,000 ft, and both have sunset within ~30 minutes of 6pm for
| 300+ days a year. Cusco actually gets hot, but Bogota reminds me
| a lot of san francisco. It rarely gets above 65F in the day time,
| and 45-55F at night is pretty common. Bogota is a Real City with
| a population of 8 million and daily flights to Madrid (Spain,
| Europe) with full suite of services. Medellin is about a 4-6 hour
| drive from Bogota and has a very San Diego-esque climate year
| round.
| munificent wrote:
| Looking at the variance as a single datapoint doesn't capture
| temperature information very well. A single rare outlier data
| will make a city look bad even if most days are milkd.
|
| I hacked together a little program to try something different. My
| rule was to look at the daily average temperature for a bunch of
| cities on a single year. Then count up the number of "good
| temperature" days which I defined to be within 60degF-80degF. The
| best cities are the ones with the most good days.
|
| Based on that, looking at US cities, the top and bottom ten are:
| 282 : San Diego, California 256 : Los Angeles, California
| 236 : Orlando, Florida 203 : Honolulu, Hawaii 202
| : Jacksonville, Florida 199 : West Palm Beach, Florida
| 193 : Tampa St. Petersburg, Florida 189 : Asheville,
| North Carolina 179 : Charleston, South Carolina
| ... 92 : Duluth, Minnesota 91 : Casper,
| Wyoming 89 : Concord, New Hampshire 89 : Great
| Falls, Montana 87 : Sault Ste Marie, Michigan
| 80 : Caribou, Maine 76 : Salt Lake City, Utah
| 64 : Anchorage, Alaska 63 : Fairbanks, Alaska
| 41 : Juneau, Alaska
|
| That looks about right to me.
| quesera wrote:
| This is interesting. It doesn't capture humidity / heat index,
| which would drop at least five cities (FL, SC) out of the top
| ten.
| munificent wrote:
| Yeah, if you really want to pick a city by weather, you'd
| want to take into account more than just temperature. Amount
| of sunlight is important too, from cloud cover and day length
| based on latitude.
| angarg12 wrote:
| Can you please share the code? Or show the results for other
| continents.
| munificent wrote:
| The code is too hacky to share. Basically, I got a CSV of
| daily average temperatures for a bunch of cities. I discarded
| all the rows except for ones in the US and within a single
| year.
|
| Then, for each city, I just counted the number of days whose
| temperature was within a range.
|
| I had to do a little massaging because for some reason
| Washington DC was double counted in there.
| sidpatil wrote:
| This seems related to the concept of the degree day. [1]
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degree_day
| freediver wrote:
| Makes sense, San Diego and anything on Hawaii is hard to beat
| for 'comfort'. If you account for outdoor diversity then moving
| bit north to Silicon Valley makes sense. Warmer than San
| Francisco, with great skiing 4 hours away.
| nullgeo wrote:
| Bob, are you using the same data as the OP?
| munificent wrote:
| No idea. I just searched for "average city temperature CSV"
| and ended up downloading some file from Kaggle.
| thefringthing wrote:
| Nope; I used the Wikipedia article I mentioned. This is a
| different, more detailed, table of temperature data.
| acchow wrote:
| What you want to look at is "Temperature Fingerprints"
| https://weatherspark.com/map
| thih9 wrote:
| > We'll ignore any other weather characteristics like humidity,
| rain, wind, diurnal temperature difference, etc.
|
| If the author ends up moving to Edinburgh based on this, we can
| count on seeing a follow up analysis that doesn't ignore rain.
| thefringthing wrote:
| I'll tolerate any amount of rain if I never have to sweat
| through another shirt.
| arethuza wrote:
| Edinburgh isn't particularly wet - there is a lot of variation
| in rainfall levels in the UK and as Edinburgh is on the east
| coast its not that bad:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Europe_by_pr...
| smcl wrote:
| Yeah guys here like to joke about how we're having "Scottish"
| weather when it's raining, so it's funny to see Edinburgh
| (704mm/year) isn't really _that_ much wetter than Prague
| (587mm /year)
| TremendousJudge wrote:
| I have never been to Edinburgh, but mm/year isn't the best
| way of saying if a place is wet or not. A city that has
| that horrible misty rain two thirds of the year may not
| score high a mm/year measure, but in reality you'll be wet
| two days out of three.
| arethuza wrote:
| "in reality you'll be wet two days out of three."
|
| I walked and cycled to work in Edinburgh for ~20 years
| and I really didn't get wet that often, although I did
| certainly get _drookit_ a few times.
|
| Edit: I spend quite a lot of time in the areas of
| Scotland that _are_ pretty wet ( > 3000mm/year) -
| Edinburgh isn't anything like those.
| TremendousJudge wrote:
| Yeah, I don't know how Edinburgh is specifically, just
| that in general I think using this measurement is hiding
| part of the truth. In places with wet and dry seasons,
| you might get rain for a month and the rest of the year
| is dry, but mm/year might still be very high.
| smcl wrote:
| The wikipedia article Arethuza posted shows average
| precipitation for European cities by month as well, so
| you can actually see how this breaks down. For example
| Istanbul definitely has this - it has more rain than
| Edinburgh overall but it's concentrated in the winter
| months. Interestingly (and as a total aside) I was there
| in February once and was shocked when the temperature was
| below zero, it was a relief when we escaped to Izmir and
| it was >15C :D
| smcl wrote:
| I've noticed it rains differently on the continent. When
| it's raining here people will often shelter in doorways
| or bus shelters because they know it'll usually be done
| in a few minutes and they can wait it out. Scottish rain
| is very much a " _today_ it is raining, and that 's just
| how it's gonna be" thing. If I'm honest it never bothered
| me that much - a brolly will suffice in the city or a
| waterproof on a walk in the countryside.
| arethuza wrote:
| Edinburgh is drier than Monaco (743.6mm/year) :-)
| BucketsMcG wrote:
| Edinburgh's not so bad for rain. Not compared to Glasgow, at
| least.
|
| The wind, however, is incessant from October to Easter, and
| somehow is always blowing into your face. When it does rain, it
| comes down sideways. Add wind chill to the already cool
| temperatures and it's absolutely bitter.
|
| I love Edinburgh, lived there for a few years, but it's tough
| going.
| smcl wrote:
| > somehow is always blowing into your face
|
| This might sound ridiculous but I can confirm it, really
| peculiar
| bpye wrote:
| And daylight hours...
| the_origami_fox wrote:
| Johannesburg, South Africa. A city with many problems but
| everyone agrees the weather is great. Average temperature per
| month ranges from 10C to 20C. Extremes are normally between 0C
| and 30C. (It can feel very cold when it goes below 0C because the
| housing is not built for that.) Low humidity. It rains less than
| 90 days a year and most of that is in short, concentrated
| afternoon thunderstorms in the summer. I'd have expected this
| analysis to readily propose a city like this.
| SideburnsOfDoom wrote:
| > Johannesburg, South Africa. A city with many problems but
| everyone agrees the weather is great.
|
| Johannesburg's rival, Cape Town, would also lay claim to "great
| weather".
| lelanthran wrote:
| > Johannesburg's rival, Cape Town, would also lay claim to
| "great weather".
|
| I lived in Cape Town. Would not live there again.
|
| Winter is very _very_ cold, it rains _every single_ day and
| the wind is insane, making you need warmer clothing than you
| would think.
|
| Summer is very dry, it never rains and the mountain keeps
| catching fire which gets spread by the constant high-speed
| winds.
|
| There are advantages though: six months ago I had an
| opportunity to relocate to CT, and realised that with the
| amount of constant strong wind it gets, I might be able to
| live completely off-grid using 4 - 6 wind turbines on the
| roof of the house.
| SideburnsOfDoom wrote:
| Cool rainy winters and hot dry summers are characteristic
| of the Mediterranean climate, which is often seen as
| "pleasant".
|
| I thought you would mention that it can be hot in CT in
| Jan-Feb, in the 30-40C range. But it's a dry heat.
|
| > Winter is very very cold
|
| Since it does not freeze in CT, not that cold. Not even as
| cold as JHB.
|
| > it rains every single day
|
| It does not typically constant rain every day in CT in
| winter (it's nothing like London, Dublin or Seattle in that
| regard) instead, storms bring strong wind and rain very few
| days, which abates and clears before the next cold front. I
| find this preferable to e.g. London's "long months of grey
| drizzle and dark at 4pm". It's certainly more eventful.
|
| Wind speed is also not constant, and depends on where
| exactly you are, some areas are sheltered, some spots are
| "high-sided vehicles will blow over when there's a storm".
| dwd wrote:
| That would be if your starting point was cities in the
| temperate/sub-tropical latitudes, but I would probably favour
| coastal cities over inland as you get less extreme day/night
| temperature difference.
|
| Somewhere like Durbin sits right in the same band as the Tweed
| Coast Australia (Byron Bay, etc). Gold Coast and Rio are
| slightly more tropical, somewhere like Perth slightly less. In
| the Northern hemisphere: San Diego, Houston, Savannah
| (Georgia), the Canary Islands, The Levant, Kuwait and Shanghai
| are in that zone. A little more humidity and the Bahamas,
| Hawaii, The Whitsundays are looking pretty nice. I spent a
| couple of years in East Malaysia and once you get used to the
| humidity you stop checking the forecast as it's going to be 32c
| during the day/25c at night.
|
| As an aside, there could be a correlation between nice
| temperature seaside places, and where you're mostly likely to
| run into a Great White shark if you go swimming.
| dam_broke_it wrote:
| San Diego and Houston in the same sentence about weather,
| dafuq????
| gspr wrote:
| As a Norwegian, I'm rather used to cold and wind. I was once in
| Johannesburg in late-winter-early-spring. It's one of the
| coldest experiences of my life! Indeed, the outdoor temperature
| wasn't too bad, but the wind was constant and _what the fuck
| why are there like centimeter-wide gaps around doors where the
| wind just comes howling in so that you have to wear a jacket
| indoors?!_
| mskullcap wrote:
| I am Canadian, I lived in Joburg for 2yrs. You are bang on:
| huge gaps in doors, windows that can't fully close and
| uninsulated homes. It was bloody cold in the winter, with my
| indoor temp being around 10C in the morning! And of course,
| all sorts of creepy crawlies appearing in my living room
| (scorpions, prawns) at random times. Loved the cloudless
| skies, however.
| smcl wrote:
| I'm guessing "prawn" is local slang for some insect,
| because I'd only ever heard it refer to the seafood (like
| shrimp) or those aliens in District 9
| dematz wrote:
| According to the wikipedia article they jump and shoot
| ink and are generally very annoying, to the extent that
| there's an april fools day story that they were
| genetically modified...
|
| one of the sources has some funny
| stories/comics/attestations to the horror of prawns
| https://ourfiresidestories.com/the-parktown-prawn-
| chronicles...
| SideburnsOfDoom wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parktown_prawn
|
| > The Parktown prawn or African king cricket
|
| The term used in District 9 also comes from this
| smcl wrote:
| Oh man the pictures on the wiki don't do it justice - I
| checked for one with scale and they're a fair size!
| TremendousJudge wrote:
| I'm from a place that (I'm told) has similar weather, and
| it's common for people from colder climates to complain
| about lack of insulation. The quick answer is, here you
| don't have winters that are as cold, therefore developers
| can get away with shoddy construction without killing its
| inhabitants... so they do. If you built something like this
| in Toronto, people would literally freeze to death inside,
| so it can't be done.
|
| Also, take into account that spring/summer is warmer, and
| construction practices also have to take this into account.
| lelanthran wrote:
| > I am Canadian, I lived in Joburg for 2yrs. You are bang
| on: huge gaps in doors, windows that can't fully close and
| uninsulated homes. It was bloody cold in the winter, with
| my indoor temp being around 10C in the morning! And of
| course, all sorts of creepy crawlies appearing in my living
| room (scorpions, prawns) at random times. Loved the
| cloudless skies, however.
|
| I live in JHB, have been for most of my life. Still not
| used to how cold it is in the winter.
|
| But the creepy crawlies? C'mon - you're in Africa, what did
| you expect? In my experience, the benefit of moving to JHB
| from the east coast was the _lack_ of creepy crawlies!
|
| I grew up on the coast, and there's no end to the wildlife
| (including creepy crawlies ... maybe the occasional
| leopard).
|
| The east coast of South Africa is a pain to live in;
| monkeys frequently raid the garden, large, flying
| cockroaches get into any food, people will frequently find
| frogs and/or crabs getting into their pools, snakes
| frequently getting into the house ...
|
| I'd rather have the cold.
| jwmoz wrote:
| Great piece but something isn't right. Scotland is notoriously
| crap weather, cold and wet most the time.
| 404mm wrote:
| Check out https://weatherspark.com/map
| disillusioned wrote:
| The answer is, of course, invariably, San Diego. That's the one
| city. That's it.
| mprovost wrote:
| This was the subtle joke in "Anchorman" with Brick Tamland
| (Steve Carell) the weatherman with an IQ of 48. You don't have
| to be smart to predict "78 and sunny" every day.
| seydor wrote:
| It's like mediterranean with skyscrapers
| yrcyrc wrote:
| For having lived in Dublin, La Paz and spent quite some time in
| Reykjavik, there is something really wrong with the data as
| suggested in earlier posts. I find European cities like Cork and
| in Brittany would fit to what he is seeking.
| jkellermann wrote:
| Nice is the one city that has 100% nice weather...
| dullcrisp wrote:
| Anywhere else it's sparkling weather
| FargaColora wrote:
| Interesting cultural difference on what is "nice" weather.
|
| For me, a good city should have seasonality, that is the "joy of
| life". The changing of the seasons and the cycle through life is
| what makes me happy. Snowy winter days, the springtime change,
| endlessly long summer days, and the first cool autumn breeze as
| the colours change.
| matsemann wrote:
| Agreed. The dark and snowy times bring a certain coziness I
| wouldn't want to miss.
| FabHK wrote:
| I have friend and colleagues in Singapore, which they describe
| as having two seasons: rainy and dry. They alternate every 15
| minutes or so.
|
| After some years, yes, many miss the seasons very much.
| yamazakiwi wrote:
| Part of the problem of where I live is the seasons of Winter
| and Summer seem to be extending and the time for Spring and
| Fall (The best seasons) appear to be shrinking.
| awsrocks wrote:
| killjoywashere wrote:
| See also The Well-Tempered Traveler (1), code (2) with prior
| discussion (3).
|
| (1) https://www.google.com/welltemperedtraveler/
|
| (2) https://github.com/lmanul/welltemperedtraveler
|
| (3) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27841209
| thefringthing wrote:
| This is a neat tool/visualization!
| jupp0r wrote:
| Humidity is completely missing in this analysis. 80F (27C) can be
| either extremely pleasant or borderline miserable, depending on
| relative humidity.
| BloominOnion wrote:
| 100% I'm in Melbourne so summers are usually a dry heat that
| can go into the mid-high 30's often. Send me up to the Gold
| Coast where the humidity is much greater and I'll struggle in
| the high 20's low 30's
| [deleted]
| soared wrote:
| I always love to see data analysis on tolerable weather. I've
| done a lot of research on weather in the US and its a perpetually
| challenging problem. There are a small list of cities where its
| consistently nice (Solely in california and miami), and a larger
| list of cities that are have 4 nice seasons. But the data will
| never tell you the full story - Denver doesn't rank incredibly
| well in the data but the winters are mild and the summers
| surprisingly hot because its always sunny and closer to the sun.
| SLC ranks well, but has unbearable smog. It seems that every city
| has caveats that can't be captured in the data. Portland
| seemingly has great weather.. when its not raining.
| kortilla wrote:
| >Denver doesn't rank incredibly well in the data but the
| winters are mild and the summers surprisingly hot because its
| always sunny and closer to the sun.
|
| Difference in distance to the sun is completely negligible.
| Maybe you're thinking of UV index?
| VLM wrote:
| Its a smog/fog effect.
|
| Lots more hot sunlight at the top of the mountain than on the
| coast.
| soared wrote:
| UV index is definitely a more accurate representation. I had
| to look it up because people always say it's the elevation,
| which turns out to be partly true.
|
| The link below says an increase of 2% for every 1000 feet, so
| most of Denver gets 10% more uv index because it's closer to
| the sun (more accurately higher elevation/less atmosphere).
|
| https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/documents/uviguide.p.
| ..
| silisili wrote:
| I keep seeing that same reason listed in tons of
| places(mainly forums and blogs), but can't make sense of it.
|
| Earth is like 94 million miles from the sun, I'm not sure how
| people reason a few thousand feet somehow puts you too close
| to the sun.
| jschulenklopper wrote:
| Well, there's less air between you and the sun. Most of
| that 94 million miles are void of anything
| blocking/filtering light. The last 10 miles aren't. It
| likely makes a difference if it only 8-9 miles.
| L_Rahman wrote:
| Miami is gross and sticky even in March and I'm surprised it's
| listed next to Californian cities.
| soared wrote:
| Miami has some weird weather patterns where it's always
| humid, but the temperature never reaches triple digits so you
| don't have the crazy hot muggy unbearable summers like the
| Midwest.
| thakoppno wrote:
| > caveats that can't be captured in the data
|
| hold up - this tiny part of your comment strikes me as the
| essential issue facing tech in this era.
| PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
| Santa Fe springs: glorious temperatures, murderous winds for 6
| weeks or more.
| dam_broke_it wrote:
| SW Colorado -- same :/
| speedgoose wrote:
| Nice has the most Nice weather.
| seydor wrote:
| 69 degrees?
| hsn915 wrote:
| The SF Bay Area has the nicest weather year round, which is
| probably a strong contributing factor to why the area is so rich.
|
| I'm currently in Tokyo. The temparetrue is not the nicest year
| round, but it feels very natural. There are four seasons. Winter
| is tolerable and it rarely goes below 0C. It snows about once a
| year. Summer is hot, just like it should be, but it hardly goes
| above 32C.
|
| The only thing that bothers me is the rainy season in the summer.
| jandrewrogers wrote:
| San Diego is the gold standard for nice weather in California
| (and most of the planet), it is significantly better than the
| San Francisco area. I've lived in both and it isn't
| particularly close.
| aliz64 wrote:
| I live here in South Bay and while I do love the weather, it is
| a bit colder than ideal.
|
| I think SoCal especially San Diego definitely has better and
| more consistent weather. San Diego is an amazing city apart
| from weather as well!
|
| Meanwhile my childhood hometown is not dipping below 30C this
| week, and the highs every day are above 43C...
| beowulfey wrote:
| Yeah I think no question San Diego has the best weather of
| CA, followed by maybe Santa Barbara. South Bay LA (on the
| coast, not to be confused with South Bay, Bay area) is also
| usually really great and consistent year-round but if you go
| inland at all the weather can be dramatically different.
| asdff wrote:
| Anywhere on the southern californian coast has perfect
| weather. The seabreeze keeps things from ever breaching 85*
| even in the strongest heat waves.
| rcpt wrote:
| Long Beach gets the most sea breeze south of Ventura
| asdff wrote:
| But you also get all the air pollution from the port of
| LA/LB, so thats why prices don't necessarily reflect the
| access like they do over in redondo beach or down in OC.
| Can't do anything about much of it either. When the city
| wanted to remove that breakwater recently that pins water
| pollution to the beach and killed the surf scene when
| they erected it decades ago, the navy said no, should
| they ever need to load explosives into battleships near
| downtown long beach.
| kylehotchkiss wrote:
| Currently in San Diego with the windows and doors open,
| enjoying the slightly cool air coming in. Great place to live
| and seems like more tech companies are moving down. Sadly the
| housing and rent are becoming increasingly inaccessible.
| lisper wrote:
| Water too.
| crftr wrote:
| I applaud the San Diego Water Authority's efforts to
| diversify their sources. The Carlsbad desalination plant
| receives the most local coverage, but it's the
| investments in reclamation that will be vital in the
| coming decades.
| gnulinux wrote:
| I personally find SF Bay Area weather terrible, terrible. SF
| has the same weather year round and it is as follows:
|
| * Uncomfortably warm during the day
|
| * Uncomfortably cold during the night
|
| * A lot of unpredictable and long-running showers, rain and fog
|
| * A lot of cold wind year-round (especially summer, see below)
|
| I found the following quote by Mark Twain very accurate:
|
| > The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San
| Francisco.
|
| I also personally experienced that, although summers and
| winters in SF have the same weather (as explained above)
| somehow summers tend to be _colder_ especially during night and
| in shades.
|
| I think it just sucks. If you like that's great.
| rcpt wrote:
| Also fire month
| eitally wrote:
| It's disingenuous to conflate SF's micro-climate with the
| entirety of the bay area. I agree that SF weather is
| insufferable, and I live in San Jose, which is entirely
| different ... and different again that the mid/upper-
| peninsula, or the Santa Cruz Mountains, or Marin, or
| Berkeley.
|
| I think what a lots of folks don't understand until they're
| living here is exactly how different things are in different
| areas around the bay.
|
| Generally speaking, I think south bay weather is
| approximately ideal, if it wasn't for fire season, which can
| ruin entire summers & falls depending.
| mustacheemperor wrote:
| Even within SF the weather can be pretty variable depending
| on what part of the city you're in. My friend living in
| Richmond has a nice view of the ocean, theoretically, but
| it's pretty cold and cloudy out in the yard for a lot of
| the year. I live in the southeast side of the city near
| Hunter's Point, and we probably have totally overcast days
| in the single digits, it's basically always sunny and 70
| during the day. It does get really windy for a good chunk
| of the day for a good chunk of the year, but our warmest
| days are during the spring and summer when that dies down.
|
| My guess is when the candlestick park / shipyard
| redevelopment happens this is going to be prime residential
| real estate, it's the best weather in the city IMO.
| pb7 wrote:
| It's amazing how one comment can have so much wrong with it.
| Long running showers? Downright hilarious. It doesn't rain a
| drop here 9 months out of the year. When it does, it barely
| qualifies as a sprinkle. You could walk outside for 20
| minutes and not even get soaked. "Cold wind" is the breeze
| that makes every day feel amazing and fresh.
|
| >I found the following quote by Mark Twain very accurate:
|
| > > The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San
| Francisco.
|
| He never said this.
|
| I love it but any reason that gets people out of here is
| great for me.
| gnulinux wrote:
| I lived in Berkeley for about 5 years and this was my
| experience. Some comments here argue SF Bay Area has
| different climates in different regions. I never realized
| this, but if it's true it might explain gaps in my comment
| (I still fully stand by it. No long running showers? Did we
| even live in the same place? Berkeley famously has days-
| long powder-like showers! I was absolutely sick of them
| when I was living there.)
| danenania wrote:
| It doesn't really make sense to talk about "SF Bay Area
| weather" given that most days there's a 10-30 degree
| difference between the coldest and warmest parts of the
| region. If you're near the coast in the summer, a typical
| "warm day" is mid-to-high 60s, while it's 75-80 in
| Oakland/Berkeley and 90s in Walnut Creek.
|
| I lived in west SF (near Golden Gate Park/Presidio) for 2
| years and I can count the days it was "uncomfortably warm" on
| one hand.
|
| It's not really the same year round either. Summer is by far
| the windiest and foggiest season, which is why it feels cold
| despite a higher base temp (but again, depends where you
| are).
| dam_broke_it wrote:
| Microclimates....try googling it :/
| L_Rahman wrote:
| Tokyo summers are miserable, as are the ones in Seoul and New
| York City. I have lived in all three and every July/August I
| wonder if this is the year I start cooling off in Bogota for a
| month.
| hsn915 wrote:
| I'm from the Middle East and I kinda love the hot summer.
| Tokyo's summers feel just right to me. Hot but not
| intolerable.
| keerthiko wrote:
| all my american friends find it ridiculous, but yes, having
| lived my childhood in heat that you can _see_ rising off
| the ground in the middle east, i love the pleasant 30-35C
| summers of NYC where i live now, especially when combined
| with the daylight deep into "night", like 8-9pm in June-
| August
| rr808 wrote:
| > 30-35C summers of NYC Is OK if you're on the beach. If
| you're wearing a suit on a underground platform its
| miserable.
| baby wrote:
| I couldn't disagree more, SF's weather is capricious (you
| always need a sweater, and be prepared to remove it and wear it
| back as you walk along the city and its many microclimates) and
| never warm enough (you like wearing shorts, flip flops, skirts,
| dresses, or just hang out in the evenings in the park? Nope,
| not going to happen). Because it's never warm enough, or cold
| enough, nobody has a heater or an AC, and when hot or cold days
| happen you're in for a real treat in your home.
|
| I'm just saying that it's not for everyone, I'm looking to move
| out and weather is a big reason. I want to be able to drink and
| enjoy being in a park in the evening with my friends.
| [deleted]
| rendaw wrote:
| I hear "Japan has four seasons" a lot living there, but I don't
| get it. It definitely has summer. Leaves take 8 months to
| gradually fall from trees (if they fall at all) before summer
| starts again. There's no snow. And obviously there's no
| snowmelt or sudden greening in the spring.
|
| You might be able to make the claim if your four seasons are
| "Summer, Typhoon season, Rainy season, Not-summer".
| ekianjo wrote:
| There is snow in Japan close enough pretty much everywhere in
| the country if you are willing to drive a bit. For example,
| there's not much snow in Osaka but a lot in Kyoto and a lot
| around Nagoya, which are close enough.
| zzbzq wrote:
| Obsessing over having 4 seasons is a theme that comes up in
| several cultures and I believe it is probably an ancient
| relic from when agrarianism was a nascent lifestyle upon
| which to base a civilization. Some nomadic cultures are
| similarly obsessed with the 4 cardinal directions.
| bogomipz wrote:
| Did you move there from SF? Do you work in tech? I'd be curious
| to hear how it is if so. My understanding is that they just
| announced they are going to let international travelers back in
| June.
| woutr_be wrote:
| They haven't made a final decision yet regarding allowing
| international travelers, but as far as I understand it,
| they'll only allow tour groups first, and only the month
| after open up for tourists.
| (https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/Japan-
| weighs-w...)
| presentation wrote:
| I moved from SF, I work in tech, it is awesome (but don't
| work for a Japanese company unless you want to get underpaid
| and overworked, foreign firms are much better).
| bogomipz wrote:
| Did you transfer then with a company you were already
| working for? Tokyo?
| hsn915 wrote:
| I believe you can now enter Japan for the purpose of working,
| if you have a job offer.
|
| There are several tech companies that speak English
| internally. You can google for Tokyo Dev Jobs or Japan Dev
| Jobs and a few websites will popup.
|
| Edit:
|
| https://www.tokyodev.com/jobs/
|
| https://japan-dev.com/jobs/
| seizethecheese wrote:
| Sounds like Seattle weather, except summer is dry here.
| foota wrote:
| I think Tokyo is quite a bit warmer in the summer. Compare
| https://weatherspark.com/y/143809/Average-Weather-in-
| Tokyo-J... and https://weatherspark.com/y/913/Average-
| Weather-in-Seattle-Wa...
| Loic wrote:
| WeatherSpark is wonderful both for the data and the quality
| of the visualisation.
| closeparen wrote:
| The Bay Area was only marginally more expensive than average 10
| years ago, whereas now it's at least 3x. Did the weather get
| that much better?
| lotsofpulp wrote:
| Probably not, but people with money who are able to bid for
| land there probably did get 3x+ richer.
| dkasper wrote:
| The main problem with the California coast is that the water is
| so cold. Between NorCal and SoCal there is pretty much an ideal
| weather zone for everyone.
| benttoothpaste wrote:
| That cold water is partly responsible for California's
| perfect weather. A warmer sea would produce some undesirable
| weather phenomena like hurricanes.
| Fatnino wrote:
| The water is indeed cold most places here. But once you get
| down to Santa Barbara or better yet Long Beach you can find
| the occasional beach with warm water.
|
| It's some combination of the very deep water being rather
| near shore and beaches that get directly blasted with the
| cold water streaming down the coast from Alaska.
| Remove/minimize those 2 factors and you can start finding
| warm water.
| holler wrote:
| In San Diego around late August / early Sept you can find
| some really warm water relatively speaking. Particularly I
| used to enjoy going down to La Jolla cove and snorkeling
| around that time, with temps reaching up to 75f, which
| feels like bath water for the Pacific Ocean. Fairly certain
| I've experienced warmer than that a few times growing up.
| Fnoord wrote:
| Cold water is only a problem the first few minutes. After
| that, it is refreshing. You find that out every single time
| you gave it a go and stayed. But when you don't, or the one
| time you went in and out immediately, are the times you
| remember when you don't have enough data points where you
| stayed.
| EdwardDiego wrote:
| Running this with wet bulb/dry bulb temperatures would
| interesting.
|
| In our spring/summer it can get into the mid thirties (celsius),
| where I live, which is definitely hot, but it typically comes
| with minimal humidity.
|
| Whereas our biggest city might hit 25 degrees max, but the
| humidity feels to me like the entire city had a shower and didn't
| turn on the extractor fans.
|
| So I definitely prefer the dry heat to the humid.
| tenuousemphasis wrote:
| I've also been thinking about relocating due to climate (and
| projected future climate). I came across this website which shows
| condenses daily and annual temperatures into a sort of sparkline
| graph.
|
| https://weatherspark.com/
| vishnugupta wrote:
| No Bangalore on the list!? Of course I'm partial to the city
| being my home base. But really, having seen and lived in a
| diverse climatic places, Bangalore comes close to being the
| perfect climate. No snow but one can't be too greedy :-)
| PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
| This seems to miss out the broader dimensions of "nice weather".
|
| For example, 39F/3.8C on a cloudy winter day on the US east coast
| is entirely different than the same temperatures in the (intense)
| sun and low humidity of the high desert in the US southwest.
|
| Conversely, 78F/25.5C in May in the US southwest on a windy day
| is totally miserable to be out in, because the wind can hit
| sustained bursts of 25mph/40kmh with much higher gusts, whereas
| the same temperature on a sunny May day in London might be
| paradise.
| DeathArrow wrote:
| That's correct, humidity and wind can also affect the feeling.
| 25 C can feel like 20C if it's windy or feel like 30C if
| humidity is high.
|
| I would take 20 to 25C,low humidity and low wind speed. :)
| jverrecchia wrote:
| I made a free website called City Filter that aggregates a lot of
| data from cities around the world and lets you filter them by
| different criteria including temperature and rain, but also
| safety, development, population, distance from your location,
| etc.
|
| If your goal is to identify your favorite cities based on your
| own criteria, you will definitely like it:
|
| https://www.city-filter.com
| anonymousDan wrote:
| As much as I like them I'm not sure I'd be moving to Edinburgh or
| Dublin for the weather! Of the places I've lived, San Diego has a
| great climate.
| tintedfireglass wrote:
| Come to Bangalore, temperate weather with tropical climate. You
| can't find it anywhere else ;)
| DeathArrow wrote:
| I would settle for an ideal temperature, let's say 20 C and see
| the cities which have lowest variations based on that.
| alkonaut wrote:
| Let's zoom in on the interesting bit.
|
| _zooms in on Edinburgh, Dublin and Reykjavik_
|
| My gut feeling tells me high altitude southern cities are stable
| around "room temperature" (like Mexico City and La Paz) but if
| one doesn't mind 30C for a few weeks, then of course a lot more
| cities in the Mediterranean, California, Australia etc are also
| in play.
|
| I take it the person writing the article prefers _anything_ ,
| including a constant drab rain, to ever having -15C or +30C.
| thefringthing wrote:
| > I take it the person writing the article prefers anything,
| including a constant drab rain, to ever having -15C or +30C.
|
| That's about right. I don't mind -15C so much but don't care
| for anything below about -20C or above 20C. I don't like rain
| either but I think I'd put up with it for a narrow enough
| temperature band.
| el_dipster wrote:
| can you do this for climate change (rising sea waters)
| dbg31415 wrote:
| Similar tool.
|
| https://vividmaps.com/cities-with-similar-climates/
| [deleted]
| spicyusername wrote:
| Weather spark is a nice resource for comparing weather
|
| https://weatherspark.com/
| steanne wrote:
| missing diurnal air temperature variation, for me.
| physhster wrote:
| Lower variability isn't a very good indicator of good weather at
| all. Humidity, median vs. average yearly temp, annual sunshine,
| and precipitation are more useful IMHO.
| corrral wrote:
| Humidity's the thing I have trouble finding good info about.
| Weather maps of humidity don't seem to do a good job of
| matching with what's actually perceived. But 85F and humid
| feels a hell of a lot worse than 95F and dry, so as far as
| Summer (and to some extent, Spring and Fall) characteristics
| go, I'd consider humidity by far the most important factor in
| whether Summer's basically pleasant, or completely miserable.
| Lio wrote:
| Cities with Nice weather?
|
| Well, Nice would be the top of that list surely.
|
| Where's Nice-ier than Nice?
| bogomipz wrote:
| I would interested to see or hear about "walkable" cities with
| nice weather. I feel like that's the dream.
| hgomersall wrote:
| That and pleasant greenery. No use being lovely and warm if
| everything is dead and brown. Rain is a necessary part of the
| discussion here.
| simonebrunozzi wrote:
| Data alone is not enough. Or, you should have lots of it, and use
| and weigh it properly.
|
| Temperature, humidity, winds, sunlight, duration and intensity of
| rain, clouds... The list goes on and on.
|
| And what about pollution? Milan is one of the most polluted
| cities in Europe, and people wouldn't guess it. You could have
| nice weather, be outside, and not enjoy breathing (Milan is still
| ok, there are much worse places like New Delhi).
| seibelj wrote:
| Boston is the land of extremes. The winters are cold, windy, full
| of snow, and too long. The summers are absurdly humid and hot.
| The fall is so beautiful it's the most fall you have ever seen.
| Perhaps spring is a tad mundane, I'll admit.
|
| Boston (and Massachusetts itself) has the most character of any
| state, and the people are quite unique in various capacities. It
| is #1 in biotech, education, and healthcare and #2 in finance and
| software. For the size of its population it punches well above
| its weight in importance.
|
| To circle back, I think the weather has something to do with it.
| Tough weather makes tough people. Locals can be gruff at first
| but if you learn how to break through they are far nicer than New
| Yorkers.
| kart23 wrote:
| This person has not been to socal if that's your top ten.
| 0xbadcafebee wrote:
| You're never going to find a perfect city. If it's not the
| weather that bugs you, it's something else. Don't spend your time
| trying to find the perfect fit. Rather, spend your time on
| accepting the world as it is and adapting to it. Then you'll be
| happy anywhere, anytime.
| corrral wrote:
| axus wrote:
| Somewhere like Dubai can have pleasant weather for 7 months, 99%
| of the time. And very bad weather for 4 months, 95% of the time.
|
| Where I live might have objectionable weather on 70% of the days,
| but they are more spread out and not as extreme, and the plants
| can tolerate it. Dubai would still win on "number of pleasant
| days".
| bumbledraven wrote:
| https://weatherspark.com/ has wonderful visualizations of many
| different aspects of location-specific weather, including
| humidity, temperature, wind, and precipitation, and clouds.
| bmy78 wrote:
| As someone who lives in the US Northeast with its biting winters,
| San Diego and Los Angeles's yearlong climate seems like a dream.
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