[HN Gopher] I/O 2022
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I/O 2022
Author : todsacerdoti
Score : 150 points
Date : 2022-05-11 17:53 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| adamredwoods wrote:
| Flutter game kit! Pre-made game assets are great for people
| learning to code.
|
| https://github.com/flutter/pinball
|
| https://docs.flutter.dev/resources/games-toolkit
| valbaca wrote:
| Multiple mentions of "skin tone" and AI.
|
| Did they really mess up skin tone recognition that bad that they
| needed three different solutions to it? (I feel like I missed
| some major fuckup on their end)
|
| https://blog.google/products/assistant/assistant-io-2022/
|
| https://blog.google/products/search/monk-skin-tone-scale/
|
| https://blog.google/technology/research/ai-monk-scale-skin-t...
| 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
| Funny. I interviewed with them recently and was asked about how
| to better represent minorities in photographs. I'm a white
| male, interviewer was not.
| samhw wrote:
| > "In our research, we found that a lot of the time people feel
| they're lumped into racial categories, but there's all this
| heterogeneity with ethnic and racial categories," Dr. Monk
| says.
|
| "People think we're lumping them into racial categories. But
| we're actually lumping them into _slightly narrower_ racial
| categories! "
| scardycat wrote:
| The Pixel 6 Pro camera, which they showcase and market as
| capable of representing true skin tone [1], has been a pain in
| the neck for me. I am a brown skinned person with a balding
| head and the camera preview and final product are completely
| different. The final product adds random blotches of dark tones
| on my face and head. None of the photos are usable. This is
| 100% reproducible especially in bright day light. I filed a bug
| report with offer to send in my pictures as samples, not a
| single response, its been 4+ months.
|
| 1. https://store.google.com/intl/en/discover/realtone/
| uuyi wrote:
| Similar weird problems in portrait mode on my iPhone 13 Pro.
| My youngest daughter comes out looking like an unholy
| tellytubby on crack for some reason.
|
| Got fed up of trying to negotiate with the bastard thing and
| bought a Nikon mirrorless instead. Absolutely no regrets.
| The_Colonel wrote:
| It's a catastrophe for white people as well. My wife has blue
| eyes, and the camera pretty consistently makes them black.
| Skin usually turns gray. The portrait looks fine in the
| preview, but the algorithm messes it up.
| jjcm wrote:
| Random side note - I'm amazed they're using gifs here to show
| off their subtle color updates to skin tone.
| babyshake wrote:
| Their super bowl ad was also focused on fixing AI racism. There
| is surely a political and marketing aspect to this focus.
| Daishiman wrote:
| There is the objective fact that darker skin tones are harder
| for some AI algos to process due to lower contrast. There's
| also the fact that a lot of training data just didn't have
| people of darker skin, and that a couple of news article
| pointed out that some people were classified in object
| detection systems in a rather... racist way.
| faitswulff wrote:
| Their emerging markets are all non-white.
| joshuamorton wrote:
| If by "they" you mean "the entire industry" then yes. Basically
| all vision products are notoriously bad at dealing with darker
| skin tones.
| Workaccount2 wrote:
| The google challenge: Find a picture of a lone white male in
| any of their marketing or corporate material. I get they want
| to be diverse, but it's just become comical at this point.
| nostrademons wrote:
| https://careers.google.com/, scroll down to "Spotlight",
| scroll over to "Data center roles" or "Staff Software
| Engineer", both pictures of white male talking to white
| female.
|
| Globally white people are about 10% of the population, so I'd
| expect 1 in 10 people in a representative sample to be white,
| which feels about right for much of Google's marketing
| material.
| fizwhiz wrote:
| > both pictures of white male talking to white female.
|
| white _passing_ *
| usrn wrote:
| Google is a US company though.
| deadmutex wrote:
| Google has a huge employee and user base across multiple
| continents.
| Workaccount2 wrote:
| A lone white male. Sorry it wasn't totally clear.
|
| For all intents and purposes, women count as minorities.
| Google has plenty of pictures with white women, and white
| men and women. But so far I have only found one picture
| with a lone white male (on one of the chromecast pages, on
| the TV was a show page, and the show page had a lone white
| male). I guess they can get 1/2 credit for that. Oh and I
| found a picture of a lone white guy, but he was disabled.
| So I guess that technically counts, although he would still
| fall into the "minority/disadvantaged" camp.
| nostrademons wrote:
| https://about.google/stories/making-conversation-more-
| access...
|
| Took about 2 minutes.
| samhw wrote:
| Nah, watch the video, he's Hispanic. (Of course racial
| classifications have no _real_ meaning, but ime Hispanic
| people are generally - bar some Spaniards - 'typed' as
| non-white, comparable to Asians or Native Americans. And
| certainly a minority in US terms.)
|
| ETA: He's also deaf, fwiw, with regard to the minority
| point.
|
| ETA2: Hmm, I may be wrong about the exact details. It
| looks like he's a research scientist at Google, and,
| judging by the name, possibly Russian. But the same non-
| Caucasian non-''white'' point applies. (The Spanish
| voiceover and subtitles confused me - it's not his voice
| at the start, whereas his own 'deaf voice' makes any
| accent hard to identify.)
| [deleted]
| reaperducer wrote:
| _The google challenge: Find a lone picture of a white male in
| any of their marketing or corporate material._
|
| Where's Waldo: 2022 Edition.
| 015a wrote:
| Easy; just look at their corporate leadership page. Plenty of
| white men there!
| burkaman wrote:
| I guess this is intentional exaggeration to make some kind of
| point, but I just checked a bunch of Google corporate pages
| and every single one with pictures of people had a white guy
| somewhere. The majority were not white men, but that's
| because most people are not white men.
| SemanticStrengh wrote:
| So much hypocrisy going on. If fighting racism was the goal
| Unicode should not have added skin colored emojis. This is the
| dumbest move ever.
| adamrezich wrote:
| I will never understand why emoji, the whole point of which
| is to convey universal emotions (and other icons), ever
| needed skin tone modifiers at all. why do "thumbs up" and
| "thumbs up, but i'm white btw" need to be encoded
| differently? why is everyone OK with Native Americans and
| other ethnicities with reddish skin tones being excluded?
| just a complete mess top-to-bottom, and now we can basically
| never undo it.
|
| imagine trying to explain to aliens from another planet 500
| years from now why 500 years ago we decided to a.) include
| skin tone modifiers to begin with and b.) only allow for the
| gradation of skin colors that we do. beyond ridiculous.
|
| EDIT: I forgot to mention how insanely ridiculous it is that
| we have these skin tone modifiers, but they don't even work
| for all "people" emoji, because of the obvious issue of
| rendering cartoon human faces in a way that isn't considered
| a racist caricature for many races. this makes sense of
| course, but I can't understand why, when this argument came
| up, they didn't just choose to scrap the whole idea instead
| of implementing it and restricting it to a subset of "people"
| emoji.
| ben_w wrote:
| People like customising these things to be mini-avatars as
| a form of self expression. I don't see a reason to get
| upset about this option existing -- not even from the
| perspective of "oh no strings are even weirder, I can't
| safely treat them as a stream of bytes all the time", given
| that combining characters are needed for other stuff
| anyway.
|
| (No idea why you think other skin tones can't be added
| later).
| adamrezich wrote:
| >(No idea why you think other skin tones can't be added
| later).
|
| because why would we add _further_ bloat and
| implementation complexity to something that is already
| bloated and complex to implement?
| ben_w wrote:
| You believe that's a reason to think it _can't_ be done?
| adamrezich wrote:
| not at all, of course. realistically the biggest
| impediment to adding more skin tones is that if the list
| of additional skin tones wasn't completely exhaustive,
| there would be public outcry. as it stands right now, the
| simple gradient scale is "good enough," so there isn't
| much impetus to add any more.
| Lammy wrote:
| > if the list of additional skin tones wasn't completely
| exhaustive, there would be public outcry
|
| This is kind of how I felt when looking at the scale just
| now, because none of the 10 really look like me. Maybe
| it's supposed to be a round-down/up sort of thing, or
| maybe I should calibrate my display?
| [deleted]
| twelvechairs wrote:
| The default was yellow which basically represents white
| people.
| reaperducer wrote:
| _The default was yellow which basically represents white
| people._
|
| I guess you missed the day Yellow Peril was covered in
| history class.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril
| [deleted]
| stickfigure wrote:
| Maybe in an advanced stage of liver failure. It's really
| stretching to say yellow == white. The default color made
| nobody happy, which is exactly why it was the right
| solution to the problem.
| SemanticStrengh wrote:
| actually the excessive yellowness brillantly avoided the
| uncanny valley of half-baked underspecified realism
| AnimalMuppet wrote:
| Really? The default was yellow because that's what
| Franklin Loufrani used back in the 1970s in France, and
| he's (probably) the one responsible for the smiley
| becoming a global icon. Did he intend yellow to mean
| white people? I'm highly skeptical, but I'd be open to
| listening if you have some documentation...
| adamrezich wrote:
| this is the most insane recurring argument and I'll never
| understand it. sure that's how The Simpsons works, but
| that's not how LEGO works, so that argument gets canceled
| out. then you look at the yellow smiley face iconography
| that I'm sure has cultural roots somewhere but was
| universally used to specifically express universality--
| back when WAL*MART used it as their logo, were they
| specifically trying to market to white people, at the
| exclusion of all others??
|
| then you take the history of emoji into account and you
| see that that doesn't really work as an explanation at
| all. it's like you (and everyone else who makes this
| inane argument) are _trying_ to make something that 's
| not white-people-centric, white-people-centric, just so
| you can complain about it being white-people-centric.
| three_seagrass wrote:
| You're being downvoted but you're kinda right.
|
| The longest running cartoon show in history ( _The
| Simpsons_ ) uses yellow to represent white people, while
| POC are brown and black.
| SemanticStrengh wrote:
| in racists terms, yellow has always denoted asian people
| (which is weird btw), simpsons are a coincidence
| disgruntledphd2 wrote:
| I mean, sortof, I guess, maybe.
|
| Given the history, one could make an argument that they
| represent Asians rather than Caucasians (it's always
| seemed odd to me that we ended up with this name for
| white(r) people, but such is life).
| SemanticStrengh wrote:
| white skinned people should be called beige skinned
| people. Only albinos could pretend to whitehish-ness and
| still they are mostly not, because even if their skin
| maximally reflect light, they are still made of blood.
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albinism_in_humans BTW
| humans can become easily become black in a continuous
| like manner https://alchetron.com/cdn/melanotan-
| ii-d26dbedd-94fb-434a-8d... extreme:
| https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3198931/Reddit-
| user...
|
| It's a very nice technology and is an example of
| permanent whole body genetic mutation via epigenetics.The
| issue is that it is irreversible.. The converse, a
| whitening substance does not exist yet but could exist in
| theory, by antagonizing the melanin receptors.
| sorenjan wrote:
| Because people didn't understand that emoji was supposed to
| represent concepts, and saw them as small illustrations
| instead. That's also why Apple's version is basically the
| de facto standard now, and Google and Microsoft has had to
| adjust theirs to look more like Apple's to minimize
| confusion when the small pictograms doesn't look the same
| for sender and receiver.
| SemanticStrengh wrote:
| It can and should be undone. There is a difference between
| the identifier and the representation, android should
| render color skinned emojis in their yellow equivalent, as
| simple as that.
| three_seagrass wrote:
| Excluding skin color and gender is being blind to prejudice,
| not fighting it.
| SemanticStrengh wrote:
| _white colored downvote_
| reaperducer wrote:
| _Excluding skin color and gender is being blind to
| prejudice, not fighting it._
|
| It's largely a generational thing.
|
| The new generations (Millennial, Z) were taught that
| "celebrate diversity" is the goal. Which means to highlight
| all the different races, creeds, colors, etc...
|
| Previous generations (X, Boomers) were taught that being
| "color blind" was the ideal. Which means to treat every
| person the same, and disregard their race, creed, colors,
| etc...
|
| Both groups are using the same language for the goal: To
| end racism. But the ways they were trained to do so are the
| exact opposite of each other.
| jl6 wrote:
| It's interesting that the previous "neutral" yellow emojis
| are widely viewed as white:
|
| https://arxiv.org/pdf/2105.05887.pdf
|
| My explanation is that The Simpsons trained us to view
| yellow cartoon characters as white.
| twofornone wrote:
| This attitude promotes prejudice, merely redirecting it to
| whatever demographic is convenient to paint as "dominant",
| it will never solve the problem because it explicitly
| prescribes different treatment based on ethnicity/gender.
|
| Its an emotionally appealing but logically nonsensical
| justification for bigotry. And particularly appealing to
| people who are more interested in power than actual
| equality.
| three_seagrass wrote:
| Good thing then being inclusive involves all races and
| genders then, including the dominant one.
|
| It would be pretty terrible if a historically "dominant"
| demographic felt persecuted because of equal options with
| emoji colors.
| twofornone wrote:
| This common argument is disingenuous. You hide behind the
| term "inclusive" as though everyone is treated equally
| but simultaneously believe that
|
| >Excluding skin color and gender is being blind to
| prejudice, not fighting it.
|
| Which implies that historic and current prejudice must be
| corrected with more prejudice. Which is inconsistent with
| inclusiveness and equality. And we've all seen how this
| works in practice - certain races and one gender in
| particular are expected to prejudge other participants
| and cede their vaguely defined, unilaterally assigned and
| _assumed_ privilege to create _concrete_ prejudiced
| privilege for others in the "inclusive" group. And given
| that personal circumstances are irrelevant, this the
| definition of prejudice. While you may refuse to
| acknowledge this explicitly, logically your approach to
| solving racism is more racism. Which leads me to conclude
| that at least the loudest among the D&I camp are only
| using claims of equality as a thin disguise for
| powermongering.
|
| >It would be pretty terrible if a historically "dominant"
| demographic felt persecuted because of equal options with
| emoji colors.
|
| And here, ironically, you are proving my point. To
| correct historic injustice we are obligated to
| immediately dismiss any grievances from white people,
| bonus for snark and sarcasm. When minorities complain,
| all claims are immediately valid, but if whites (and
| sometimes Asians, when politically expedient) raise
| legitimate concerns, they're just being fragile. That's
| prejudice, my friend. And the degree to which it has
| become casually acceptable in increasingly larger circles
| is concerning.
|
| By the way, I don't think anyone is concerned over the
| expanded color pallet itself, its the insistence that
| injecting divisive racialism into a race agnostic
| communication tool is the solution to prejudice. Even
| assuming that minorities are offended by a single yellow
| option is racist, much in the same way that latino people
| don't actually care for the similarly misguided "latinx"
| designation.
| retskrad wrote:
| Google is working on some interesting stuff but their live events
| aren't doing them any favors. There's no hype leading up to them
| and the events themselves are dull as hell. Google currently has
| only 40k people watching the live event. Apple WWDC events
| attract 10X as many concurrent viewers.
| indy wrote:
| There's no hype because they don't have anything to show that
| deserves hype. It's all the same: AI to improve photos, AI to
| improve translations and small iterative improvements to
| Android that you swear were shown at a Google IO event years
| ago
|
| Edit: watching the livestream and they've just announced an
| Android tablet! Honestly this deja vu is getting ridiculous
| verdverm wrote:
| The AR glasses bit was especially underwhelming. Basically
| faked the entire video
| Workaccount2 wrote:
| When are they going to announce "Corporate restructuring with
| a focus on product dedication"...
| SemanticStrengh wrote:
| It's so consensual it's screamingly obvious and yet Google
| isn't aware.
| dylan-m wrote:
| Not to mention Google Wallet, an "amazing new" product by the
| same name of an existing product they keep renaming and
| haven't finished retiring yet. They could just say they were
| updating Google Wallet or whatever it's called now, but I
| guess you don't get promoted for that.
|
| I laughed when the Pixel guy (before announcing the tablet)
| said they don't usually announce products so far in advance.
| Has he _seen_ Google I /O?
| media-trivial wrote:
| The "remove people and stuff" feature for Google Photos
| that they just announced had already been announced 4-5
| years ago. We are still waiting.
| nerpderp82 wrote:
| > said they don't usually announce products so far in
| advance
|
| gLighting
| hbn wrote:
| The tablet announcement is funny too. Another generation of
| people who haven't been through multiple cycles of this by
| now are gonna be run through the process of believing
| Google when they say they're focusing on tablets for real
| this time, until they launch their tablet and get bored of
| it a year later and then you wait a few more years before
| Google makes a totally real commitment to tablets.
| andybak wrote:
| Maybe they'll launch a new messaging service.
| agumonkey wrote:
| We're all getting very frustrated at that point.
| mrwnmonm wrote:
| Also, it was interesting how quickly Apple made very good
| offline conferences after covid, as if they were developing it
| for years.
| uoaei wrote:
| Define "after covid"
| fullstop wrote:
| Presumably OP meant "after covid was a thing" and not
| "after covid was over" (which will never happen)
| JonathonW wrote:
| Apple's online WWDC content has very good production value,
| but a bunch of well-produced videos dropped over the course
| of a week don't really make it a "conference".
|
| Microsoft, with their BUILD conference a couple years ago,
| actually had the best implementation of a COVID-era virtual
| "conference" that I've seen-- lots of actual live content
| (and live chat interaction), and to some extent some of the
| content was actually superior to a real-world conference
| because the online format (taking questions via chat) makes
| Q&A more feasible than it would be in person.
| filmgirlcw wrote:
| As someone who worked on the programming team for Build in
| 2020 and 2021, thanks for saying that. In 2020, especially,
| it was really difficult to pivot with as little time as we
| had. We did most of our stuff in 2020 live, even though it
| was remote (a few of us were in the studio but most people
| were at home), because we didn't have the lead time to make
| it a well-produced pre-recorded thing. We were "live"
| across time zones (meaning people in the US (like myself),
| were often working at 3am, in order to bring live content
| to other parts of the world), for an ungodly amount of
| time, and the fact that it didn't break was really great.
| Even though we had more production time in 2021, we still
| did a lot of live content (with on-demand, of course),
| across time zones, and focused on more breakout sessions
| too.
|
| I'm not at Microsoft anymore (tho I might still do some
| stuff for Build this year, since I'm at GitHub), but being
| part of the team that got Build 2020 across the finish line
| is one of the things I'm most proud of. Microsoft was the
| first to do a tech conference in the pandemic (Google
| canceled, Facebook might have too), so we really didn't
| have anything to base it off of.
|
| Apple, naturally, just knocked it out of the park with the
| production values, but I'll always love the scrappy nature
| of Build 2020.
| sylens wrote:
| > There's no hype leading up to them
|
| I was not even aware Google I/O was today
| sidibe wrote:
| All of these events are dull. I don't see why WWDC get people
| any more hyped except that they have a lot more fans.
| enos_feedler wrote:
| WWDC and other Apple events justify more hype because they
| are market leaders in mobile. When you watch an Apple event
| you are often seeing things for the first time. Google Pixel
| is blatantly copying the Apple product portfolio, from custom
| chip designs to now Airpod Pro clones. Where would Google be
| with Pixel if Apple didn't exist? It is literally spun up
| division to copy the most valuable company in the world. We
| shame Huawei and these Chinese companies for copying, but
| look in our own backyard.
| GeekyBear wrote:
| > Google Pixel is blatantly copying the Apple product
| portfolio, from custom chip designs to now Airpod Pro
| clones.
|
| Google relentlessly copies every other company in the
| industry, and it's been going on for years now.
|
| >You can look at Google's entire portfolio of launches over
| the past decade, and trace nearly all of them to copying a
| competitor: Google+ (Facebook), Google Cloud (AWS), Google
| Home (Amazon Echo), Allo (WhatsApp), Android Instant Apps
| (Facebook, WeChat), Google Assistant (Apple/Siri), and on
| and on and on. They are stuck in me-too mode and have been
| for years. They simply don't have innovation in their DNA
| any more. And it's because their eyes are fixed on their
| competitors, not their customers.
|
| https://steve-yegge.medium.com/why-i-left-google-to-join-
| gra...
| cromwellian wrote:
| You can do the same exercise for Apple and find loads of
| copying, but Apple fans will say the Apple feature or
| product somehow wasn't a copy. Even in your own list,
| there are Apple copies, like HomePod and App Clips. Earin
| preceeded Airpods (along with a long line of bluetooth
| earpieces).
|
| Apple has copied tons of features from Android, Chrome,
| and Maps over the years, mostly ignored, but as soon as
| Android gets a feature iOS had, Apple fanboys make a huge
| deal over it. Apple's been playing this game for decades,
| all the way back to the era of constantly accusing
| Microsoft of copying "Redmond, start your copiers!"
|
| Apple literally stole Spotify's entire business model for
| Apple Music, and then turned around and used their
| platform ownership to punish them. Apple Fitness copied
| Fitbit and Peleton. Apple TV+ basically followed everyone
| else getting into streaming. Hell, it appeared at one
| point, they were even going to copy Tesla by making an
| EV.
|
| All major tech companies have a 'copy, acquire, kill'
| strategy for competition. Apple is not different.
| [deleted]
| cute_boi wrote:
| The funny thing is the best way to degoogle is to use
| Hawaii phones.
| croddin wrote:
| "Picasso had a saying -- 'good artists copy; great artists
| steal' -- and we have always been shameless about stealing
| great ideas." -Steve Jobs
| croddin wrote:
| The question is: are these companies 'copying' or
| 'stealing'? Hopefully they can improve on things rather
| than just copying.
| enos_feedler wrote:
| I carefully chose the word "copy" because I know this
| quote well. It's hard to define the difference between
| copy and steal but it's easy to see by example. You just
| feel it when you watch.
| corrral wrote:
| When I did a lot of dual-platform mobile dev, the teams would
| always watch Google and Apple events.
|
| The Apple ones were exciting, because they'd usually announce
| a bunch of OS and development-related stuff we could start
| using very soon.
|
| The Google ones were kind of a bummer, because the
| (appropriate and justified) mood in the room was "well, this
| feature might be cool to use... in five years or so." The
| only people who got excited about them were the hardcore
| Android fans who weren't excited about dev-facing features,
| but because they'd always buy whatever new Pixel or whatever
| that was announced, ASAP.
| hbn wrote:
| > "well, this feature might be cool to use... in five years
| or so."
|
| At which point they'll deprecate it within a year or 2 in
| favor of their flashy new thing that will replace it
| Andrew_nenakhov wrote:
| The only thing I care these days about Google's announcements
| is "what did they break in Android this time?"
| filmgirlcw wrote:
| > Apple WWDC events attract 10X as many concurrent viewers
|
| Apple does the best job of anyone in the industry (imho) of
| building awareness and excitement over their events, developer
| or otherwise, but I think it is important to note that the WWDC
| keynotes (not the State of the Union), are also treated as
| proper consumer-facing product events, not just a developer
| keynote. As such, the audience is going to be much larger.
|
| Back in the day, when Larry and Sergey were running things day
| to day, I/O definitely had more of that energy (they year
| Sergey jumped out of the plane and then walked on stage was
| bananas) and could pull Apple-like numbers, but that's not what
| I/O is anymore.
|
| 40k concurrent for virtual conference that could be a series of
| blog posts and pre-recorded talks is actually pretty strong,
| IMHO.
| elpakal wrote:
| Good point about the keynote - I think that's why this year's
| WWDC is basically just that for in person (++SOTU)
| servercobra wrote:
| I literally didn't know it was going on. I usually tune in for
| at least a little bit each year, and went back when they
| launched Android for tablets.
| cromwellian wrote:
| Honestly, I preferred the days when developer conferences were
| for DEVELOPERS and not consumers. Announce APIs, DevTools, demo
| new stuff developers can use. Back when I/O was "Google
| Developer Day" and used to be mostly Web-tech, I found it way
| more interesting, more of a hackers conference. The modern
| conferences are more about commerce, even on the developer
| side, and not simply about the Joy of Cool Stuff and Cool
| Hacks.
|
| These days Apple and Google use developer conferences as
| pseudo-consumer product soft launches.
|
| IMHO, consumer end user launches should do done at consumer
| conferences.
|
| Still, compared to Apple, Google's keynotes still contain more
| stuff of interest to developers like PaLM, LaMDA models, and a
| change to play with them. Apple's WWDC keynotes are usually so
| dumbed down, their graphs don't even have numbers of axis
| labels.
| jabo wrote:
| Almost all the comments so far are negative! So let me change
| that: I'm excited that something I'm working on, Typesense, was
| mentioned by name and logo during the developer key note!
|
| [1]
| https://twitter.com/jasonbosco/status/1524483471988727809?s=...
| kdheepak wrote:
| That's exciting stuff! Congrats!
| jabo wrote:
| Thank you!
| rektide wrote:
| So far it's been a lot of "look how smart we are: we make things
| easy!"
|
| It brings me to a pretty forlorn place, that there is such high &
| mighty technology, but delivered in such preconcieved, packaged
| products. Technological _goods_ have become much better
| distributed, but the art of technology keeps evaporating upwards.
| Subliming up into the cloud.
|
| Part of the allure of the personal computing era (RIP) was that
| it invited in the spirit of Man The Toolmaker. There was a
| dignity to mastery & development that was visible, we could form
| a close & knowing relationship with our systems. That spirit has
| been returned to the gods, fire returned back to Hephaestus's
| workshop. Which is now HQ'ed in Mountain View.
|
| (I haven't always felt this way about Google. My perception is
| there had been a bigger focus on helping advance the web & making
| available APIs. That Google was creating new starting places.)
| meragrin_ wrote:
| Perhaps you are better off watching the developer keynote?
| excerionsforte wrote:
| Definitely happy they are figuring out the skin tone stuff for
| search. Being able to search for skin conditions and hone in on
| skin tone efficiently has been a pet peeve of mine. Psoriasis,
| for instance, looks different on different skin tones.
| media-trivial wrote:
| "Users will have a new way to filter by relevant skin tones" is
| my favorite quote from the keynote.
| rpmisms wrote:
| Pixel 6a dropped the headphone jack. Great. Gotta find another
| brand now.
| kevinqi wrote:
| damn. I've been hanging on to my 3a, unfortunate to hear.
| wildrhythms wrote:
| Yup, my latest 'upgrade' was to the 5a for this reason... I
| fear it may be the last Pixel with a headphone jack. When it
| eventually eats shit I'm terrified of being relegated to the
| sea of horrible OS bloatware Android devices.
| sorenjan wrote:
| Sony launched their Xperia 1 IV (yes, it's the fourth version
| of the 1, ridiculous name) today. It's probably around twice as
| expensive as the Pixel 6a since it's a flagship, but it still
| has a 3.5 mm jack, and it introduces optical zoom.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Xperia_1_IV
|
| Only two years software upgrades though.
| onphonenow wrote:
| It's been kind of funny to see folks criticize apple, then when
| their product cycle catches up copy them :) This has been like
| clockwork for a number of companies, starting with the move
| from keyboards to glass etc.
|
| For me the lighting jack on the iphones actually has fantastic
| latency. Does anyone know how that works? Much better than
| USB-C (ie, you can use as a monitor for a multi-track recoding
| very comfortably)
| rpmisms wrote:
| Apple writes their own audio drivers for very specific
| hardware is how it works. It's very annoying, because there's
| so many amazing music apps that just couldn't work on
| Android. I just want a headphone jack or a simple way to use
| wired headphones.
| SemanticStrengh wrote:
| You make it sound it's true but it's misleading, the critics
| was because apple users were the beta testers. Letting plenty
| of time for the industry( headphones, etc) and users to adapt
| for their Android phone
| drusepth wrote:
| Any recommendations? I've been holding off on upgrading my
| shattered-screen 3a for almost 6 months assuming I'd get the 6a
| when it released, so pretty much anything would be an upgrade
| at this point.
|
| I'm really just looking for a good camera, a headphone jack,
| and a good battery.
| staindk wrote:
| Sony phones (at least the ones I looked at and then stopped
| looking at once I saw their prices) seem to still have audio
| jacks. And amazing cameras.
|
| They seem to be great phones, the price tag is just crazy to
| me (as with all other flagships tbf).
| daptaq wrote:
| I'm considering to buy a Pixel 5a, seems like the last good
| phone. It seems there are good deals on Ebay.
| dnissley wrote:
| usb-c headphone jack dongle + cable tether to attach it to
| your headphones
| rpmisms wrote:
| A friend of mine is in love with Samsung, and they seem to be
| the last major OEM making phones with > 1 port.
| wayeq wrote:
| TL;DR "We've developed new and innovative products and features
| that will help us profile you and sell you stuff you don't
| actually want like never before"
| SemanticStrengh wrote:
| Any interesting info?
| media-trivial wrote:
| Nope
| webmaven wrote:
| This is getting into the weeds, but I'm keeping an eye out for
| information on whether the 6a will have a subscription option
| like the 5a (24 payments of $15 = $360 for a $450 phone).
|
| Of course, my 5a will only be paid off in another 19 months, at
| which point a hypothetical Pixel 7a will presumably be available
| for upgrading, hopefully also with a similar subscription plan,
| but meanwhile whether the 6a even has a subscription plan is an
| indicator of what the offerings will be in another year and a
| half.
|
| I am glad that the 6a has a Tensor chip (that's the one
| significant limitation of the 5a compared to the rest of the
| current lineup), so whatever else, I can be reasonably certain
| that the phone upgrade will have one too.
|
| I find the urge to conduct kremlinological analysis somewhat
| annoying, but given that my subscription agreement just says that
| I will have an opportunity to upgrade at the end of the payment
| plan, with no indication as to the price or value of that
| upgrade, it is hard not to worry.
|
| It is interesting though that the present value of a subscription
| hardware purchase is now hinging in part on the future upgrade
| opportunity (and in the sense of replacement with a new version
| rather than expansion with add-on hardware) just like software.
|
| That said, even if that future upgrade opportunity turns out to
| be crap, I'll only be disappointed rather than feeling burned.
| After all, a sizable discount and an interest-free payment plan
| on a solid mid-level phone was a decent deal regardless.
| curiousgal wrote:
| If you want to upgrade your 5a go for the 5. The 6 is awful and
| I doubt the 6a is any better. Apple perfecting their SoCs has
| made it seem so easy, but as it turns out, it is extremely
| hard.
| wildrhythms wrote:
| I opted for the 5a because it has a _slightly_ larger battery
| than the 6, and a headphone jack :)
| snvzz wrote:
| Still no Fuchsia, surprisingly.
| mupuff1234 wrote:
| I think it's powering nest hub max, and perhaps other home
| devices as well.
| blibble wrote:
| probably best it stays there
|
| my nest hub reboots most times I go to try to use it
| onphonenow wrote:
| One question I did have on the monk skin tone scale. They note
| that tone (normally a color measurement) is actually subjective
| (not objective) and so participants in studies should be asked to
| self identify their own skin tone and not let the computer
| classify images based on the scale. To the degree self
| identification is materially different than a technical measure
| of skin tone, how does that work in a model (ie, someone who is
| white self identifying as having a black skin tone). Secondarily,
| are these tones intended to map in any way to any traditional
| measures of ethnicity / race / national origin?
| lkxijlewlf wrote:
| I popped in for a few minutes to verify something. I'm ... over
| this whole annual what's new presentation stuff. I just don't
| care anymore. And honestly the three presenters I saw didn't even
| seem like they rehearsed at all. They just read from the prompter
| and tried to put excitement in their voice at the same time and
| it just fell flat.
| izzydata wrote:
| I think Apple, Samsung and Google should give up on this whole
| iPhone 13 and Pixel 6 naming and numbering scheme and stop
| pretending like it is going to be an exciting brand new product
| every single year.
|
| They should name them more like cars where you can always
| expect there to be the latest revision each year, but you never
| expect it to be something completely new that you need to
| upgrade to.
|
| We need the iPhone (2023) and the Pixel (2023). You would just
| say you have "an iPhone" and if for whatever reason it is
| necessary you could say it is a 2023 model.
| hobofan wrote:
| > iPhone 13 and Pixel 6
|
| I think the fact that they are in those high numbers already
| shows that they "stopped pretending like it is going to be an
| exciting brand new product every single year". The numbering
| there is pretty straightforward compared to e.g. the Macbook
| namings, or the convoluted naming of other brands with
| stacked variation signifiers, like the "Xiaomi 11 lite 5G
| NE".
| Hasu wrote:
| > The numbering there is pretty straightforward compared to
| e.g. the Macbook namings
|
| I'm confused, while Apple has silly naming conventions for
| their operating system, the Macbook line doesn't have that
| at all. It's just the Macbook (and the Macbook Pro and the
| Macbook Air), Apple doesn't even give them different names
| or years.
|
| Am I missing something that isn't incredibly
| straightforward about the Macbook naming?
| hobofan wrote:
| > It's just the Macbook (and the Macbook Pro and the
| Macbook Air)
|
| Just that it isn't. The "(new) MacBook" (without any
| addition) most recently existed 2015-2019, and I
| personally found it very confusing, as it was thinner
| than a MacBook Air and with that breaking the previous
| expectations that were set up by the product line naming.
|
| Placing all the blame on the naming of the MacBooks is
| probably overblown, but I feel like the individual lines
| of MacBooks have had a expectation/consistency problem
| for 10+ years now and throwing in the "new MacBook" into
| the mix for some time didn't help it.
| i2shar wrote:
| Yes, you are missing the sillier "Late 2014", "Early
| 2019" naming of MacBook Pros and others :)
| jl6 wrote:
| Is there a whole lot of difference between "iPhone 15" and
| "iPhone (2023)"? Aside from the fact that relegating the
| version number to parentheses makes it more likely to be
| omitted and thus more likely to cause confusion for users
| trying to troubleshoot.
|
| I like the version number being explicit and visible. You
| know what you're getting. Pretending versions don't exist
| just reminds me of OEMs swapping out components but keeping
| the same model number, making it impossible to know whether
| you are buying one built to the original design or to a
| cheaper design.
| whywhywhywhy wrote:
| >You would just say you have "an iPhone"
|
| They tried this with the iPad 3 IIRC. Was just "The New iPad"
| but they then reverted back the next year.
| wlesieutre wrote:
| They didn't really go back though, it's iPad (9th
| generation) instead of iPad 9. Not quite versionless naming
| like they use for Macs, but it's less versioned than the
| iPhone naming.
| saghm wrote:
| The problem with calling something "The New X" is that you
| basically can't come out with _another_ model after without
| making it confusing to differentiate between the "new" one
| and the "New" one. I think the main reason they felt they
| could try that is that they new they were not going to come
| out with any more "generic" iPads and instead have the Pro
| and Air models like they have for Macbooks.
| bsimpson wrote:
| I work at Google and I don't always know which phone is
| which.
|
| It's a phone. It does phone things.
| AnimalMuppet wrote:
| And, really, how many _more_ phone things do you need it to
| do? Will doing more phone things make it noticeably better?
| The_Colonel wrote:
| I wish. Pixel 6 (Pro) often has trouble doing "phone
| things", like making calls or transmitting data.
| anon23anon wrote:
| Yea cars have this notion of model years. Everyone knows
| nothing really changes between model years except the trim.
| It's the vehicle generation you care about. I think the focus
| should be on holding press conferences when you genuinely
| have something new to show off otherwise it's just fluff.
| rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote:
| Car companies' annual events where they unveil all their
| new models are huge. They've been happening every year
| since forever.
|
| It's likely the tech industry copied them.
| magicalist wrote:
| Car companies do have press events every year for their
| yearly product updates, it's just that everyone who doesn't
| care just doesn't pay attention.
| MarkSweep wrote:
| I believe Samsung has started to do this with their Galaxy S
| series of phones, starting with the S20 in 2020. This years
| phone is the S22 for 2022.
| cogman10 wrote:
| They've become really disappointing.
|
| When Google IO started it was a nice fun tech presentation with
| a lot of side classes showing devs how to work with these new
| google technologies.
|
| Now, it's mostly just google introducing new products to the
| press.
| oofbey wrote:
| When they introduce new products, do they say "and really we
| won't abandon this in 2 years" and keep a straight face, or
| do they just not even bother?
| oofbey wrote:
| LOL the downvotes! The google faithful are not amused.
|
| Don't stop believing, y'all! Some day your prince will
| come.
| pjmlp wrote:
| They push as if they firmly believe in it and then let it
| drop, see Project Tango, Sceneform, NDK packages,...
| akira_f wrote:
| For that dev part they have the developer keynote. Google
| just gave away many online training classes for free, which
| includes many many hands on coding labs.
| akomtu wrote:
| I doubt it's press who is the audience. People behind these
| projects want to be seen by SVPs and above, so they get those
| 5 minutes of attention, get their promos and immediately
| switch teams to chase the next promo.
| CydeWeys wrote:
| Fwiw, I gave a much less important I/O presentation than this
| four years ago and I had to go through endless hours of
| prep/review/practice. I can't imagine they didn't rehearse it.
| Maybe they're just not great speakers? I doubt I am either.
| jonas21 wrote:
| Yeah, 90% of it was boring, but the Immersive View in Google
| Maps looks pretty cool:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qfp8TAg9tg
| systemvoltage wrote:
| I miss Steve Jobs era of keynotes. All keynotes are just so
| dull today.
|
| What went wrong?
| izzydata wrote:
| Technology was advancing more rapidly so there were actually
| new and exciting things to show you. We seem to be hitting
| diminishing returns and most of the low hanging fruit and
| almost all the high hanging fruit problems that we have in
| our day to day lives have been solved that can be solved with
| a computer.
|
| Now since they have run out of problems to solve they are
| inventing problems so they can solve them.
| fumar wrote:
| Should we look to biotech and robotics? I would love to
| live a life where my genetics don't hinder everyday living
| or outsource labor like laundry to machines.
| akomtu wrote:
| Robotics is the obvious high hanging fruit: autonomous lawn
| movers and such. But nothing is going to happen when the
| best minds work on reshuffling some UI that's better be
| left alone.
| reaperducer wrote:
| _most of the low hanging fruit and almost all the high
| hanging fruit problems that we have in our day to day lives
| have been solved that can be solved with a computer._
|
| I don't watch the Google presentations, but I'm an avid
| consumer of Apple's.
|
| That said, even I'm disappointed with the state of
| technology today. There's still plenty of fruit to be
| harvested at all levels.
|
| But all I ever see from Apple and Google is variations on
| "How do I get together with a bunch of people I already
| know for Thai food in an area that I can walk to?" Or "How
| do I get through my morning, which is completely
| predictable and never varies in even the slightest way from
| one day to the next?"
|
| Here's a softball for both of them:
|
| Using their maps app, allow me to choose a starting point,
| a destination, and a departure time. Then show me all of
| the coffee shops within x distance of that route that will
| still be open for one hour when I pass that location.
| vincentmarle wrote:
| Surely you've missed out on the "biggest change to Airbnb in
| a decade":
| https://twitter.com/bchesky/status/1524372742048718848
|
| (Spoiler alert: it's not)
| kadoban wrote:
| They're a bit low on charismatic bullshitters right now, and
| the tech got better enough that gains are small.
| sidibe wrote:
| If you like to gush over exciting announcements there's still
| Musk. Unfortunately it's been many years since his company
| actually built anything he announces
| systemvoltage wrote:
| I don't like to gush over any leader and stop stuffing
| words in my mouth. I'm stating the "era" (2000-2010)
| keynotes were super fun, original and exciting. What's with
| so much hostility? (You've edited your comment, thanks).
| staunch wrote:
| > _What's with so much hostility?_
|
| There's a popular and cynical meme that people like Steve
| Jobs and Elon Musk are just marketing bullshitters that
| don't actually do anything useful. It's laughably false
| and easily disproved. And yet it seems to comfort
| cynical/pessimistic/unhappy/ignorant people, of which
| many exist, and so it prevails.
| systemvoltage wrote:
| Hmm, weird, I find Steve Jobs and Musk truly inspiring.
| SemanticStrengh wrote:
| OK I challenge you to try to engage and bring
| constructive evidence then. Give a summary of what steve
| jobs and musk have done to improve the human
| condition/world.
|
| While Apple has achieved some moderately useful advances
| you have to divide the amount of progress given by the
| amount of money captured. Apple has an almost negligible
| ratio in that regard. Musk has achieved even less.
| staunch wrote:
| > _OK I challenge you to try to engage and bring
| constructive evidence then_
|
| What kind of evidence would convince you? Wikipedia has
| summaries. Of course, they necessarily lack the context
| required to deeply understand the topic.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Innovations_and_
| des...
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk#Business_career
|
| > _Apple has an almost negligible ratio in that regard.
| Musk has achieved even less._
|
| I challenge you to give evidence for these assertions. I
| would be convinced if you explained how you came to this
| conclusion and explained how you calculated the terms of
| this ratio.
| SemanticStrengh wrote:
| Thanks for engaging, I will try to write an answer when I
| get the motivation
| Hasu wrote:
| "There's a popular and cynical meme" is another way of
| phrasing, "There are people who evaluate these people's
| contributions differently than I do"
|
| > It's laughably false and easily disproved.
|
| Then disprove it, instead of relying on an ad hominem
| assumption of what's going on inside someone else's
| brain. As it stands all you've done is claim that a
| criticism exists and that the people who state that
| criticism have moral failings, which does not make them
| wrong.
| staunch wrote:
| > _" There are people who evaluate these people's
| contributions differently than I do"_
|
| That would presume we're talking about people with
| approximately equivalent knowledge that simply come to
| different, but reasonable, conclusions.
|
| But this is not the case. What I see in this meme is
| people betraying their ignorance and motivated reasoning
| at every turn. There's nothing knowledgeable or
| reasonable about their assertions. It's always highly
| vitriolic and dismissive toxicity. It's not that they're
| simply mistaken about certain facts, and can be
| corrected, it's that they're _transparently_ ignorant and
| /or acting in bad faith.
|
| For example, it's extremely uncommon, maybe even unheard
| of, for someone with a deep knowledge of technology
| history to agree with these kinds of dismissals of Steve
| Jobs or Elon Musk. I've never seen someone able to
| discuss the topic at a high level that won't readily
| acknowledge their contributions, even if they can be very
| critical of them in certain ways. As one example among
| many: historian and professor Walter Isaacson wrote well
| respected books about Benjamin Franklin, Albert Einstein,
| and Steve Jobs. He is currently writing one about Elon
| Musk.
| staunch wrote:
| It's not merely "gushing" to be excited about new
| technology breakthroughs. And Musk, through his companies,
| is actively delivering today on Starlink, Tesla, Dragon,
| and Starship to name a few big ones. This meme that he's
| "all talk" is easily disproved for any honest observer.
| ben_w wrote:
| Yes, although: while the Starship project is incredibly
| impressive, it can't really be said to have delivered
| until it's actually reached orbit.
|
| Until then, it's like the stuff Boeing, Lockheed, ULA
| etc. have spent even longer developing and have also not
| reached orbit with.
| staunch wrote:
| The claim was that Musk's companies haven't "built"
| anything. Versions of Starship have clearly been built
| and launched, even if the project is still in
| development. It's a very real project and anyone can
| watch its developmental progress live:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg
|
| I doubt you or anyone else would bet significant money
| that Starship _won 't_ reach orbit. If so, I'd be happy
| to accept.
|
| For the record, I don't think you can point to any
| project even remotely equivalent in terms of capability
| or progress from Boeing, Lockheed, or ULA. I'd be happy
| if they were doing nearly as well as SpaceX.
|
| My other examples: Starlink, Tesla, and Dragon have
| clearly been "built" and shipped. Starlink is the hands
| of consumers, is actively helping Ukraine for military
| and humanitarian purposes, Tesla has shipped millions of
| vehicles, and Dragon Crew had another successful
| rendezvous with ISS days ago.
|
| I could spend a lot more time providing examples but
| consider these to be more than sufficient to disprove the
| claim that Elon Musk's companies haven't "actually built
| anything he announces" in "years".
| webmaven wrote:
| _> Yes, although: while the Starship project is
| incredibly impressive, it can't really be said to have
| delivered until it's actually reached orbit._
|
| True, but it isn't as if SpaceX doesn't have a track
| record for hiring some pretty ambitious targets with
| their progression of Falcon 1 -Falcon 9 -Falcon Heavy.
| Admittedly, Starship's planned use of the new Raptor
| engines seems risky, but the DOD did fund a prototype-
| and-test contract that _presumably_ concluded
| successfully a few years ago. While the results of those
| tests aren 't public, there have been no leaks to the
| contrary, at any rate, and no changes in the planned use
| of Raptor have been announced (and SpaceX hasn't
| generally been at all shy about announcing changes to
| their plans).
|
| I think it's a pretty safe bet right now that Starship
| will launch and that they will get it working reliably,
| and that they will have to blow up a few along the way to
| make those things happen.
| CydeWeys wrote:
| This is a mature industry; each company simply doesn't have a
| lot of new groundbreaking stuff to announce every year. It's
| iterative.
|
| And a lot of the seemingly groundbreaking announcements then
| don't go on to pan out either (I'm thinking of Magic Leap
| here). If you don't care about realism/follow-through, then
| you have very exciting announcements; just don't expect
| anything announced to ever pan out.
| natly wrote:
| I think tech in general is kinda stagnating at this point.
| We've plucked all the low hanging fruit, to get new
| revolutionary things will be much more slow going from here.
| hintymad wrote:
| It's probably because the new products are really incremental
| improvements over some niche. There's nothing wrong with that
| either. I don't expect that a company would churn out
| groundbreaking products year over year -- I certainly wish so,
| though, as it means new problems to tackle, more meaningful
| projects to work on, and more demand of engineers in the
| industry.
| pjmlp wrote:
| Same here, I used to care, but since Google has never seriously
| pushed for updates (Treble doesn't require OEMs to actually
| care to update), gave up on keeping Java support up to date, I
| lost interest.
|
| As long as Chrome and the NDK stay around, I am good and don't
| care anymore whatever version I can only use 5 years from now
| with already deprecated APIs.
| simonebrunozzi wrote:
| I used to be a professional speaker (Amazon, VMware, etc), and
| presented at more than 600 events. They said I was pretty good.
| Point is, after years of perfecting my craft, I can instantly
| spot the difference between a good presenter and a "fake" / bad
| one.
|
| Most people are bad. Really. Sorry to be blunt, but it is what
| it is. A bit of training and a bit of rehearsal would go a long
| way. I am shocked that big events like this one do not try to
| invest more in preparing the speakers. It wouldn't take much.
| tsunamifury wrote:
| The audience is also able to detect professional speakers
| like yourself, with calculated hand movements and inauthentic
| voice pitch calibration and is equally turned off -- its just
| that professional speakers so rarely admit that since they
| make money off saying otherwise. The problem here is just
| that the topics aren't compelling enough. And you rarely get
| a good speaker who also knows the topic well so as to be
| perceived as authentic.
|
| Look at Elon's keynotes, they are TERRIBLE from a public
| speaking perspective, but excellent content that generally is
| interesting. Also no one perceives them as inauthentic, just
| off-hand-ish. It works.
| azangru wrote:
| > And honestly the three presenters I saw didn't even seem like
| they rehearsed at all. They just read from the prompter and
| tried to put excitement in their voice at the same time and it
| just fell flat.
|
| Yes. I haven't yet watched talks from this IO, but it was
| exactly my impression from last year's IO and Chrome Dev
| Summit. There are some speakers, mostly dev rels, who clearly
| love speaking and are great at it; but most of the speakers
| were just woodenly reading from the screen. As if they are
| unaware that written language is different from spoken
| language, and it takes rare skills to write a speech and then
| read it back to the audience in such a way that would sound
| natural and engaging.
| dudus wrote:
| Yo me it just seems like everyone is following a playbook for
| presentations based on some bullshit science and pairing that
| with the best Steve Jobs impersonation you can.
| rvz wrote:
| Yes. It is always about what they don't tell you in these
| keynotes that is more interesting rather than what they are
| already announcing on stage.
|
| The only exception is the last announcement which is them
| trying to re-enter the race for AR/XR glasses which again some
| thought they gave up.
|
| This acquisition is the reason why they are trying again: [0]
|
| [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/30/google-acquires-north-
| augmen...
| reaperducer wrote:
| _AR /XR glasses_
|
| Is "XR" a typo for VR, or is there another new R that I
| should learn about?
| easrng wrote:
| XR = catchall for VR and AR
| whywhywhywhy wrote:
| It's kinda crazy how little there is to show from a year of
| effort for 139,995 employees.
| wildrhythms wrote:
| I think maybe these tech companies need more MBAs and middle
| managers whose only existence is to 'trim the budget' and
| isolate their team's work under their own little banner so they
| can use it as a parachute to glide to the next company. That
| will surely get the creative juices flowing at any organization
| I think.
| akomtu wrote:
| Quite the opposite. They could showcase an impressive list of
| competitors that haven't been launched, thanks to all their
| would-be employees working for FANG.
| rvz wrote:
| The North Glasses with AR in that Google acquisition was a long
| time coming to be shown off and was as expected [0] but I'm very
| surprised that this acquisition of North was overlooked [1] by
| many.
|
| Importantly, this is where the race for AR/XR glasses starts and
| begins to be interesting. They needed to show off something
| tangible in the end to still show that they are still in the
| race.
|
| Maybe Apple already started years ago and are waiting for others
| to do it wrong (again) and will _try_ to time it again.
|
| We'll see.
|
| [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29568018
|
| [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29567471
| siruncledrew wrote:
| New google glass is coming
| frizlab wrote:
| pass. nothing of interest honestly.
| cercatrova wrote:
| The immersive view in Maps looks quite impressive, it reminds me
| of Microsoft Flight Simulator and how Microsoft used its Bing
| Maps scans to render the world in very high detail. But now you
| can do this on your phone.
|
| https://blog.google/products/maps/three-maps-updates-io-2022...
| wildrhythms wrote:
| I showed my older parents the 3D view that exists in Maps and
| Google Earth today and they were blown away (and also thought
| they were being spied on). The technology is incredible. A few
| years ago I got to try the Google Earth VR on an Oculus Rift
| and being able to stand in my hometown in VR with the weirdly
| chunky approximated renderings was a surreal experience.
| bobsmooth wrote:
| New languages added to Google translate. It honestly has to be
| one of the most amazing inventions of the last 10 years if not
| the last 100 years.
| media-trivial wrote:
| They added more languages during this keynote than Apple
| Translate supports in total.
| whatever1 wrote:
| No messaging apps announced?
| sphars wrote:
| Wouldn't be surprised if the new Google Wallet has some sort of
| messaging built in
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