[HN Gopher] Ian Goodfellow, Apple's Director of ML leaves Apple ...
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Ian Goodfellow, Apple's Director of ML leaves Apple due to return-
to-work policy
Author : rg111
Score : 73 points
Date : 2022-05-07 19:22 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| systemvoltage wrote:
| There is a weird dichotomy here. Would he protest in the same way
| if he wasn't famous and literally have opportunities knocking on
| his door on a daily basis, or he wasn't in a financial position
| to do this? If either of those things are true, then he is not
| truly protesting. Just exercising the power of his position while
| double-dipping into ostensible righteousness. Can't really take
| him seriously.
| _peeley wrote:
| Where are you seeing that this is some kind of "protest" or
| display or righteousness? Could it not be that he just left the
| company because he personally enjoys working from home?
| KerrAvon wrote:
| It's clear from the content of the message that he wants more
| flexibility personally _and _that he wants to set an public
| example. I don't see why this is a problem. There is nothing
| inherently wrong with doing good things and being seen to do
| good things.
| im3w1l wrote:
| I think the fact that he sent out a note to staff gives that
| impression.
| smoldesu wrote:
| I don't think that's as unprecedented as you think it is.
| aaomidi wrote:
| That's good. It makes his leave more expensive for Apple.
| Which, again, is good.
| postsantum wrote:
| Being a powerful employee is the exact thing that make his
| protest noticeable and able to better the lives of the rest of
| us a little bit. Anyway, isn't there at-will employment in the
| US? Apple, if you don't like it, just hire another person?
| KerrAvon wrote:
| You don't hear about people who aren't famous doing this
| because they don't have a microphone -- no one pays attention
| to them when they leave. That's kind of the entire point of
| someone with a very high profile doing this -- the rest of us
| wouldn't have the same external impact because no one has heard
| of us.
|
| Some people who sympathize with his position at Apple are far
| more senior than he is, would have far greater internal impact
| if they left, and you've never heard of them and wouldn't see
| press about them leaving. ML happens to be the one place at
| Apple where public profiles outside the executive suite are
| encouraged.
| arrakis2021 wrote:
| metadat wrote:
| > Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other
| people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something.
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
| oicU00 wrote:
| Linking to hand wavy generalization presumes the same
| intuition for language constructs.
|
| A mixed community is a range of tolerances for good and bad.
| It feels like a shallow dismissal to suggest every topic is
| worth critical commentary.
|
| Maybe HN can provide better filtering controls rather than
| externalize this repetitive policing to the comment section
| where it interrupts critical commentary.
|
| Feels pretty thought police-y around these parts.
| metadat wrote:
| That's the not the intention or message, the goal of the
| community guidelines is to promote and encourage
| interesting conversations.
|
| What do you feel the GP post adds to the discussion?
|
| At times I do think HN can be a bit narrow minded and a mob
| mentality can emerge. Despite this, I gently suggest not
| worrying about up or downvotes (because they're fake,
| worthless internet points). Focus instead on novel concepts
| and ideas.
|
| I admit that I myself struggle with avoiding writing crappy
| posts fairly often. I'm grateful for the overall tolerance
| and patience of the HN community, especially folks who take
| the time to explain what I might have overlooked or missed.
| There are some pretty amazing human beings around these
| parts.
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