[HN Gopher] Ali, what's up
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Ali, what's up
Author : roywashere
Score : 143 points
Date : 2022-05-06 08:04 UTC (14 hours ago)
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| GekkePrutser wrote:
| Yeah I noticed the same last night. The search suggestions are
| also wildly... suggestive
| phoe-krk wrote:
| The website seems to have fallen due to the HN hug of death, but
| I've seen this making rounds in the Polish news - there have been
| screenshots of slang mentions of female genitals in the Polish
| version of Aliexpress.
| N-Krause wrote:
| I got it before it went down and downloaded it, but don't
| really know how to distribute a mirror via the files I have
| locally.
| k_sze wrote:
| I blame it on machine translation.
|
| DeepL, for example, fails hilariously with certain inputs. I once
| got it to mistranslate things like these:
|
| - "Kong Ming " (Kongming, the genius strategist/statesman from
| China's Three Kingdoms period) got translated as "Confucius"
|
| - "chage and aska" (a Japanese pop music duo) got translated as
| "Cao Cao " (Cao Cao, founder of the Wei state during China's
| Three Kingdoms period) or even "chinchin" (literally "penis" in
| Japanese)
| plonk wrote:
| > "Kong Ming " (Kongming, the genius strategist/statesman from
| China's Three Kingdoms period) got translated as "Confucius"
|
| AI finally reached the level of a lazy high school history
| student who didn't study enough.
| oefrha wrote:
| Google Translate once translated Mo (ten thousand in Chinese)
| to "million" for me. I was shocked it could make such a basic
| mistake. It wasn't even that long ago, maybe 2018? Machine
| translation has a loooong way to go.
| eunos wrote:
| IIRC even this error seeps into a publication made by the
| GOP. Something about HVAC system in Wuhan.
| JPLeRouzic wrote:
| Not so bad for a machine, I once met a French Telco guy in
| charge of buying/selling minutes at a large operator who
| thought that "billion" meant "two million"
| paradite wrote:
| i remember reading something similar (unit conversion) on
| HN. Maybe someone can link.
| rypskar wrote:
| Maybe because France use the long scale, so a billion is a
| million millions
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scale#French-
| sp...
| Broken_Hippo wrote:
| Same in Norway. I'm from the US and the large numbers
| always take some thought. I didn't realize that I'd have
| to relearn counting when moving here, but honestly it is
| easier than trying to relate the time of day.
| JasonFruit wrote:
| The fact that international confusion over billions
| doesn't arise more often points out how bad people are at
| thinking about large numbers. We mostly don't notice the
| difference between a billion and a trillion.
| transthrowawayy wrote:
| It was like that in 2020 as well -- I remember being really
| confused trying to see how many views a Daoko video on
| billibilli had.
|
| IIRC at that point it would translate e.g. "23 Mo "
| correctly, but 23Mo would go to 23 million.
|
| I tried reporting the error, no idea if they actually pay
| attention to those!
|
| > Machine translation has a loooong way to go.
|
| Since large numbers on e.g. streaming sites are often
| reported in multiples of Mo in Chinese, but a million in
| English, I did wonder if the machine "learned" that they were
| equivalent.
| buro9 wrote:
| Could it be that the placeholder is based on the most popular
| search and the most popular search wherever Aliexpress is not
| mainstream is a NSFW term?
| Beldin wrote:
| I don't think Aliexpress sells fornicating women. I have no
| clue why anyone would type in that - if anyone is looking for
| adult-oriented entertainment, add "dvd" or "film" (both have
| exact same spelling + meaning in dutch).
|
| Aliexpress is (as far as i know) a place where you buy things.
| This suggestion is not abuyable thing.
| kergonath wrote:
| On the contrary, if you are interested in this kind of
| entertainment, it is not unreasonable to look for "women
| fucking" and expect results related to that and not actual
| human beings. Not that I would do that. Ahem...
|
| Anyway, I regularly just enter keywords without appending
| "book" when I am looking for some books on Amazon. For
| example, I would not expect "WWII aircraft carriers" to
| return a listing for the actual thing.
| ammo1662 wrote:
| It seems to. The placeholder and popular search are different
| for differnet languages. You can switch to Deutsch and try to
| translate the page.
| seydor wrote:
| likely. they do have extensive underwear and sex toy
| collections and their prices are very low compared to shops in
| europe that sell the same stuff way overpriced
| iforgotpassword wrote:
| I don't know, I got "Hoschen fur ficken" too a while ago and
| WTFed. It sounds like a bad machine translation tbh, not like
| something anyone would say/type. So if anything it had to be
| searched a lot in other languages and then be translated
| automatically, but that's... a weird approach? Why not track
| the most searched terms for each localized version
| individually?
|
| Generally I don't know what most people buy on AliExpress
| though. For me it's for electronics parts/sensors/... where I
| can't find a cheap offering on Amazon, or if I feel adventurous
| and want to try out some weird electronics device that you
| can't get here at all. But do people buy panties on AliExpress?
| Doesn't sound like you'd save much, you can get them pretty
| cheap on Amazon etc. But maybe the ones on Amazon are
| unsuitable for fscking?
| HelloNurse wrote:
| Popular Porcelainese search terms or catalogue sections,
| presumably not obscene, automatically translated to European?
| Actual popular Dutch search terms from Dutch-locale users
| wouldn't be obscene (presumably).
| netsharc wrote:
| Loaded up the website, German locale, I got this suggestion
| too.
|
| I guess to test the theory about "most popular search", one
| would have to get a botnet to search for a random string, to
| see if it would show up as a suggestion.
|
| As a side effect, the bot that monitors the suggestions and
| create spam offers might start offering
| "e99a507d-c1ef-416c-b704-166561a44ccd" for sale...
| bennyp101 wrote:
| I get "human hair wigs" in the UK
| ajsnigrutin wrote:
| Probably a combination of this and them not having a "bad word"
| filter for those languages (while having one for eg. english)
| unwind wrote:
| I have also noticed a very sudden inrush of "adult-themed"
| products in the endless matrices of suggestions (with thumbnail
| images!) that are plastered all over the site.
|
| I would very much appreciate a way to turn those product groups
| off, since they disrupt my searches for weird handtools,
| components, and other stuff that I actually buy (and quite often,
| I've been a customer since 2014).
| drcongo wrote:
| Searching for "weird handtools" might be why you're getting
| those results.
| superjan wrote:
| This can be very simple:
|
| 1. A bored male person opens the site and types the first thing
| that comes to his mind in the search box.
|
| 2. Website records this as a new search and suggests it at random
| to new visitors.
|
| 3. Curious people click it, interested to see what the site will
| respond.
|
| 4. Website notices it is a popular suggestion! Suggests it to
| more people.
|
| 5. GOTO 3.
|
| I have seen similar bizarre (though not offensive) suggestions in
| google search. My colleage typed: "how do I" and google suggested
| "how do i make my girlfriend hold her hand in front of a screen
| and pretend she's a dinosaur". (Or something like it). Someone
| typed it once, and if it is a random suggestion it gets clicked
| by about everybody.
| TremendousJudge wrote:
| For several years, searching "client/server database" on Google
| would return a first result for a web page with a pretty
| explicit description of a sex act, and then a million results
| referencing this page. At some point they fixed it, and
| evidence that this ever happened is hard to find. It survives
| in an urban dictionary entry[0]. I suspect the cause was pretty
| similar to what you describe.
|
| [0]https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=client%2Fser
| ...
| kubanczyk wrote:
| https://web.archive.org/web/20220506081417/https://huntingbe...
| jaykk wrote:
| thanks!
| [deleted]
| stingraycharles wrote:
| Tangent, but in similar vein, has anyone seen in the past year or
| two on Dell.com their cookie notification? The "I agree" button
| has consistently said "Everyone's the Acceptor" for me.
|
| At first I thought there was something weird going on client-
| side, but it happens to me on every OS. Just took this screenshot
| on my iPhone:
|
| https://i.ibb.co/r4M5Cb9/52238-CC7-81-BD-4-B3-D-934-F-77-DB9...
|
| (from URL: https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/sf/xps-
| laptops )
| junon wrote:
| Mine now says "Accept everyone" which is a bit more wholesome.
| jmillikin wrote:
| Their site must be doing location detection, because it served
| me a cookie warning in half-English, half-Japanesee. The blue
| box is "Agree to everything and continue", which is grammatical
| (if verbose).
|
| The rest of the message, though ... it starts off "Our website
| is Cookie (kutsuki)" and looks like two translations got jammed
| together.
|
| https://i.imgur.com/1u5mwLT.png
| zorr wrote:
| I noticed the same thing in Dutch, French and German.
| vladvasiliu wrote:
| This is weird, I have the "correct" message in both French
| (fr-fr) and English (en-us).
| aitchnyu wrote:
| We once did an order cancelling feature in crunch. The prompt
| had a cancel button in green (which will actually cancel order)
| and a cancel button in white.
| llimos wrote:
| Clearly the correct choices are "Cancel" and "Cancel cancel"
| sturza wrote:
| I get the same "Accept everyone".
| Aachen wrote:
| Sounds like what bad translator might make of "accept all"
| [cookies/terms]
| klohto wrote:
| "Embrace all" That's the spirit
| plaguepilled wrote:
| I saw this the other day. I love to see little tidbits of dev
| insanity bleed through into final products, though I hope it
| wasn't crunch-induced insanity.
| marvin wrote:
| A bank dev team I may or may not have worked in, accidentally
| deployed <<allrighty, chap>> on the confirmation button for
| fund purchases. Might have caused some consternation.
|
| I figure we should just have left it like that.
| stingraycharles wrote:
| What's more worrying is that it's been there for a very long
| time. Either nobody at Dell noticed, nobody cares, or nobody
| is able to fix it.
| layer8 wrote:
| Maybe everyone is using an ad blocker, which (at least in
| my case) prevents the cookie popup.
| gonzo41 wrote:
| More likely, no one is willing to do the change paperwork
| just for that.
| jtbayly wrote:
| That falls under "nobody cares" I think.
| KptMarchewa wrote:
| Once you make it hard to care, or even punish people with
| additional work if they care, they stop caring.
| the_third_wave wrote:
| I gave it a try but only got suggestions to search for "hoesje
| voor samsung galaxy a12" (phone case for Samsung A12),
| "hulpmiddelen voor bandenreparatie" (tyre repair things) and
| "horloges mannen horloge luxe merk" (luxury brad male watches)
| and similar things. I never shopped at Aliexpress so I do not
| have a search history there, I also wipe cookies and browser-
| stored data between visits to commercial properties and I refuse
| all third-party content (31% of the Aliexpress front page is
| blocked but it still seems to work). Could these lewd suggestions
| be related to whatever it happens to infer from the visitor's
| history? It is worth an experiment...
|
| I just set up an unprotected browser (Chrome) in a container and
| cycled through the nl.aliexpress.com front page about 30 times.
| It gave me a number of suggestions like the ones mentioned above,
| none of them of sexual nature. I then closed nl.aliexpress.com
| and opened pornhub.com and xhamster.com, closed those sites again
| and opened nl.aliexpress.com again in a new tab. It gave me a
| suggestion of 'neukende vrouwen' (fucking women) after reloading
| the site three times. This could be a coincidence, of course.
| Macuyiko wrote:
| I don't know, I opened nl.aliexpress.com in a private browser
| tab and immediately got the NSFW suggestion on first try.
|
| The class of the div where the suggestions are placed is
| class="hot-words", so I would say this is the result of someone
| spamming the search box with nasty terms and AliExpress just
| showing them based on 'popularity'.
| helsinkiandrew wrote:
| If these are just popular terms typed into the Aliexpress search
| bar in Dutch rather than some machine translation bug I'm not
| surprised.
|
| I've worked on several high end furniture shopping sites which
| got a small but consistent visits from people searching for
| pornography.
| user_7832 wrote:
| > I've worked on several high end furniture shopping sites
| which got a small but consistent visits from people searching
| for pornography.
|
| I'm... puzzled, but also speechless. What _were_ they expecting
| on a _furniture_ site? Any chance these were bots? (Though I
| wouldn 't discount human stupidity)
| kroltan wrote:
| A bunch of people are a bit confused by large white search
| bars at the top of the screen, often mistaking them for the
| address bar.
|
| Hypothesis: this phenomena has been exacerbated by browsers,
| which have trained people that URLs and search are the same
| thing by having them search using the address bar. Also
| explains people searching for website names on Google.
| netsharc wrote:
| China (and many other countries') firewalls block porn sites, so
| I've wondered if many people are misusing AliExpress for...
| something else.
|
| Coming soon... AliHub? AliXXXpress?
| magicalhippo wrote:
| Exhibitionists certainly like to use it, since AlixExpress
| allows uploading images in the reviews... some interesting
| things to be seen when browsing lingerie reviews, or so I've
| been told _cough_
| thrdbndndn wrote:
| What's the relevance? Why would Chinese people, of all people,
| would misunderstand Aliexpress, a Chinese company's e-commerce
| website, as a porn site?
|
| If anything, Chinese typically don't really use Aliexpress at
| all, but Taobao or TMall.
| can16358p wrote:
| GoDaddy's automatic translation to Turkish might be worse. Last
| time I checked, DNS Manager's "points to (IP address)" column
| translated to "fiyat/performans" which means "price/performance"
| in Turkish. Notificed GoDaddy about it years ago but they've
| never changed and I think it's still that way.
| Fnoord wrote:
| They also use the very same word for creating accounts versus
| logging in to existing account. They clearly did not verify the
| translation. I have yet to receive 3 packages from China ordered
| end on Jan 2022 (I don't want them anymore after all this time),
| but its a nightmare to get my money back.
| thehias wrote:
| Haha, I noticed that as well some weeks ago!
|
| I thought some user-specific ad-specific search-specific
| shenanigans were going on for my account... :D
| lvice wrote:
| I can confirm that this happens in Italian as well. I've never
| visited the site before and my search placeholders in the top bar
| are just full of weird NSFW terms.
|
| Weirdly, it only happens to the desktop site, if I access it via
| mobile I get mostly normal suggestions.
| nicolas_t wrote:
| Using google translate on Taobao is also a load of fun. You are
| buying babies. Customer representatives call you darling... And
| there are many more.
| temp8964 wrote:
| > Customer representatives call you darling
|
| This is actually true. They call you "Qin ", which could be
| translated to darling.
|
| This is a weird thing though. Chinese people almost never call
| each other "Qin ", not even between husband and wife. But one
| day suddenly it became a common phrase used in customer
| service.
| m_eiman wrote:
| My Spanish isn't perfect, but the suggestion text "hombres
| denudos xxx" seems like it might not be to everyone's liking. Too
| bad they don't have a Swedish site, I'm curious what they'd come
| up with for us!
| shimonabi wrote:
| I have tried to contact them several times for at least 7 years
| because they have a bug on the orders confirmation page for my
| local language. It displays HTML code instead of the translated
| text.
|
| One time someone even answered that they are aware of it.
| rambambram wrote:
| Try looking for Raspberry Pi related stuff on Ali. It's funny how
| many times the auto-translated text talks about "frambozentaart"
| (Dutch for raspberry pie). Gotta love it.
| FR10 wrote:
| Ive seen this exactly in the Spanish language (es-PE) version
| too. You also get suggestions that literally include XXX and
| other key terms
| [deleted]
| hrdwdmrbl wrote:
| My guess is that the suggested search is a common or trending
| search term. Then in most languages they apply a naughty-word
| list filter, but in other languages perhaps their filter is non-
| existent or in-exhaustive.
| zen_of_prog wrote:
| For the record, the ones that I noticed a few weeks ago on the
| English site were "human hair wigs" and "dildo". Could be that
| they don't blacklist at all, or that they have a fun test data
| set that was accidentally pushed to prod.
| qwerty456127 wrote:
| The whole idea of "NSFW" is hypocrisy. It has to die for good.
| Every time something "NSFW" breaks out - that's awesome.
|
| There are things/words we all have seen/heard but somehow are
| meant to pretend we have not. This is absurd. This is why many
| problems exist and can't be fixed - because we are taught the way
| of thinking/speaking when we pretend living in a version of
| reality different from what actually is real, even when we are
| perfectly aware of that.
| kevincox wrote:
| I don't think NSFW means that we need to pretend that we
| haven't heard of it before. It just means that at work, where
| we are all paid to be there, it probably isn't a great topic.
|
| I really don't want to be walking around an office and seeing
| someone being murdered on a coworkers monitor or have a
| coworker talk about the sex they had on the weekend.
| qwerty456127 wrote:
| > It just means that at work, where we are all paid to be
| there, it probably isn't a great topic.
|
| Sure, as long as what we compare to is the actual business we
| are meant to do.
|
| > really don't want to be walking around an office and seeing
| someone being murdered on a coworkers monitor or have a
| coworker talk about the sex they had on the weekend.
|
| Why? If our work process allows to take a break and read news
| (instead of just working non-stop) - it's OK to view a crime
| scene on the monitor. If we consider it fine to talk about
| the barbecue they had on the weekend it also is OK to talk
| about the sex they had on the weekend. IMHO. Why not?
| [deleted]
| cyberpunk wrote:
| My favourite translation error lately was this one:
|
| https://imgur.com/a/C8zV5Do
|
| I'm already searching in German, so no need to translate; and it
| 'translated' by replacing 'Englisch' into 'Deutsch'.
|
| Top marks amazon! :D
| KMnO4 wrote:
| Oh man, Imgur has definitely fallen victim to asshole design. I
| was confused with the image you had linked for a while until I
| realized the image was hidden under a banner ad.
|
| The one I was looking at was a completed unrelated "suggested
| image".
| fer wrote:
| That reminds me of the automatic translator in Telegram. If for
| example you translate from German to English and the message
| includes a German flag emoji, under certain conditions (that
| aren't very clear to me) it will turn into a British flag.
| felurx wrote:
| Afaik Telegram just uses Google Translate for that feature.
| Could you maybe try copying a message where that happens into
| Google Translate?
| gsmgo wrote:
| confirmed in spanish
| Cthulhu_ wrote:
| I'm confident the localizations are done on the fly,
| automatically; it makes sense, as it did ten+ years ago, to pull
| a site's content through google translate or an equivalent so
| that you cover more languages. But it has flaws, obviously.
|
| I can imagine translation engines don't do very well with just
| one off words and phrases like "accept all" as mentioned in the
| comment about Dell's website, instead of them being used in a
| sentence.
|
| It's translation engines and the cheapest translation services,
| who will also try to use automation as much as possible.
| xaitv wrote:
| This reminds me of another translation Aliexpress (used to?)
| make for the Dutch version. In English, "China" can mean 2
| things:
|
| - The country
|
| - The ceramic material
|
| In Dutch these have 2 different words("China" and "Porselein").
| Aliexpress translated "China" in the "Shipping from" section to
| "Porselein"(so the ceramic material).
| msh wrote:
| Few things scares me away as fast from a shop as an obviously
| machine translated web page.
|
| I have no issue buying from a English webpage, but a webpage
| machine translated to danish makes me doubt the competence of
| the page and if its even possible for me to communicate with
| customer support if needed.
| ajsnigrutin wrote:
| Yep, and they probably have a "bad word" filter for english,
| chinese and maybe spanish, while they let all the other
| languages go through.
| flurdy wrote:
| They probably went like my previous client through a cycle of
| starting with a single text file of bad words --> to
| integrating with one proper swearing service (pottymouth,
| cleanspeak, etc. --> to several services in fallback mode in
| several languages --> to realising with their traffic that
| costs a bomb so to back to static files again. Hopefully i18n
| bundles but probably as you say just in a couple languages.
|
| I have always been able to swear everywhere online in
| Norwegian.
| freeone3000 wrote:
| They assuredly do not have one for English -- "sex panties"
| and "dildo" are just as common for English placeholders.
| 3np wrote:
| Neither of those sound like "bad words"? Notable absence of
| "fuck panties".
| [deleted]
| kauguste281 wrote:
| It's just a slightly weird translation of a popular search query,
| which Aliexpress uses as search text placeholder. But that's
| actual items that Aliexpress sells and they do exactly what the
| text says, so there is nothing really wrong here on a technical
| level.
|
| Now if those items or their search queries should make it into
| front-page recommendation, that's another story.
| roywashere wrote:
| Aliexpress does not sell women afaik
| GekkePrutser wrote:
| They are probably looking to expand into the market vacuum
| left by Silk Road, lol
|
| Next week they will do 'medications'?
| hnbad wrote:
| What exactly is "women having sex" a weird translation for? I
| can get how "panties for sex" is an awkward translation for
| lingerie, but the Dutch one seems off.
| kauguste281 wrote:
| If I go to nl.aliexpress.com I get "neukende vrouwen naakt
| bikini" which translates to "fucking women nude bikini" which
| is the game-of-telephone version of "panties for sex". OP got
| a shorter version with the "naakt bikini" missing.
| junon wrote:
| Mine defaults to German and states "Vibrators" (in German).
| raarts wrote:
| Using dictation function of my Apple Macbook. In Dutch. I say:
| 'abstract data types'. MacOS - not understanding English in Dutch
| mode - translates into : 'heb seksdate thuis' ('having a sex date
| at home').
|
| This happened while dictating feedback to students..
| gunfighthacksaw wrote:
| Years and years of 4chan have fried my brains to the point that
| it makes perfect sense what this all means, but I think it's just
| meme-psychosis inspired magical thinking.
| krono wrote:
| Aliexpress at one point decided I was going to have to learn
| either Russian or Hebrew if I wanted to shop there again. It
| seems tied to my account as it just flips me right back to either
| one of those languages when I log in. It helped me get out of my
| low-key shopping addiction at least.
|
| A few months ago, one of the sellers I had purchased some stuff
| from (only for about EUR200 over a span of 2 years) contacted me
| on my personal email and asked in very broken English if
| everything was alright since he hadn't seen me in a while. He
| sent me a bunch of coupons for his Aliexpress shop and several
| links to those really well made fakes everyone is always looking
| for on there (so now you know, the trick to finding those is
| through your Shanghai bff :) ).
|
| The products are cheap, the sellers surprisingly kind, but the
| place itself is just really weird!
| ClumsyPilot wrote:
| One day when you are lost and i jured in a forest, who will
| find you? An aliexprress seller!
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| nextstep wrote:
| This isn't really NSFW in DE... many shopping sites will show
| erotic items of the main page.
| vsnf wrote:
| Am I crazy or is the actual NSFW term never actually described by
| the blog post?
|
| I can't for the life of me figure out what, exactly, is the issue
| here because I do not speak Dutch or German.
| the_origami_fox wrote:
| In the image it's the grey text in the red bar next to
| AliExpress. I know Dutch as a second language and it pops out
| as very rude, like something you would see on a porn site. The
| Google Translation is accurate.
| Conlectus wrote:
| The term is "Hoschen fur ficken"
|
| > Hoschen means panties, and ficken means, well...
|
| Hint: Dutch is a close cousin to English. Try just pronouncing
| it.
| vsnf wrote:
| I appreciate your response, but this is the same thing I'm
| annoyed about by the article itself -- it's an article
| written in English, describing a naughty phrase in Dutch, and
| then leaves only hints about the real problem. We're all
| adults here, you can write the phrase without fear of
| reprimand.
|
| I think it's a little... I don't know, rude? Inconsiderate?
| to leave the reader with the task of filling in the blanks.
| pledg wrote:
| The linked article includes 'The text means "women who are
| f*cking"'. Seems fairly clear unless they added this after
| your post.
| vsnf wrote:
| The article seems to have been updated to include the
| English translation. It wasn't there when I posted
| originally.
|
| If the author is reading this, thank you for the update,
| it's much appreciated
| GekkePrutser wrote:
| "neukende vrouwen" means "women fucking" in Dutch.
|
| "Hoschen fur ficken" means panties for fucking in German.
|
| As you see, a hint is enough :P
| rmetzler wrote:
| It means ,,Panties for fucking".
| paulluuk wrote:
| Dutch person here. Not sure if I can actually post the
| translation here due to rules/moderation, but the dutch
| term basically means "women in the process of copulating".
| Likewise, the german one means "panties for copulating".
| I'm guessing that copulating is a term that I'm allowed to
| use here, but the real translation is the actual word that
| you'd normally use.
|
| As for the rude/inconsiderate part: I guess it is a little
| bit rude, as the target audience is clearly english
| speakers.
|
| On a similar note (unrelated to this discussion), as a
| dutch dev who works a lot with americans I think it's quite
| rude when native english speakers use idioms ("bob's your
| uncle", etc) when speaking with non-native english
| speakers. Even though they understand the words they still
| have to infer the meaning of such idioms from context,
| which can make them feel stupid (especially if they get it
| wrong).
|
| The worst one being the "what's up?" or "how are you
| doing?" greeting without expecting an actual, heart-felt
| response. That one always gets me.
| StevigeHoning wrote:
| "Hoschen fur ficken"
|
| Is German not Dutch.
| roelschroeven wrote:
| The Dutch text "neukende vrouwen" means "women who are having
| sex". The German text "Hoschen fur ficken" means "panties for
| having sex".
|
| I agree that for an article obviously intended for an
| international audience it's weird and lazy not to provide a
| translation for the very thing that the article is about.
| [deleted]
| hibbelig wrote:
| The Dutch one is explained in the post as "women who are f
| _cking", but the German one is not spelled out quite so
| clearly. It's "panties for f_ cking". Does that help?
| davemtl wrote:
| I've had the suggestion "sex balls" show up as the place holder
| of the search box once. I posted a screenshot of it back in 2019:
| https://twitter.com/DavieDavieDave/status/117813945962534502...
| beanders wrote:
| Definitely something strange going on haha... at the moment, en-
| us, I see "frontal wig human hair"
| MarkusWandel wrote:
| Ali does have some kinky stuff though and their
| terminology/suggestions can get really strange even in English.
| For example, I tinker with old road bikes. A very handy gadget
| for changing to modern shifters is a "downtube cable stop" but
| you'll never find it on Ali under that name. I need to go to my
| old orders and find it again. Ah yes, "outer stopper assembly"
| brings it right up. Fairly pricey by Ali standards; I expect
| these are genuine Shimano parts just not worth producing cheap en
| masse.
| larrysalibra wrote:
| Back in 2016, my name ended up on the physical menu in a
| restaurant in Shenzhen as the english translation for the dish
| Mei Shi Za Ba Fan - "American-style assorted grilled meats."
| https://twitter.com/larrysalibra/status/728498064877490176
|
| Despite living in Hong Kong and traveling frequently to Shenzhen
| at the time, I found out from a high school buddy from growing up
| in Ohio that lived in the USA and had no real connection to China
| besides this one business trip.
|
| It appears someone who couldn't read english at all had used
| baidu translate to translate the menu. It turned out baidu
| translate was translating "Ba Fan " - assorted grilled meats - to
| my Twitter (HN, etc) username for YEARS.
|
| https://twitter.com/larrysalibra/status/959749866036408320
|
| Crazy world.
|
| Lesson: if you can't read the language, blindly trusting
| translation is always a bit of a gamble!
| yongjik wrote:
| Reminds me of a Chinese menu item that was translated into
| Korean as "seobu apeurika weonjuminyi sseurarin cuwi" (bitter
| coldness of indigenous Western Africans). Made rounds in the
| Korean internet some years ago.
| Tao332 wrote:
| noduerme wrote:
| At least you can't fake French cuisine. There's no powdered
| substitute for actual pork assholes stuffed inside other pork
| assholes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andouillette
| [deleted]
| noduerme wrote:
| Hey, the first time I visited Vietnam I was blind tired from
| traveling, sat down at an outdoor restaurant on a kindergarten
| sized chair, got a warm beer and looked at a menu where
| everything was in Vietnamese. The only thing in English was
| "AMERICAN BEEFSTEAK". So I ordered that (dumb, sure, but they
| were really amused to have an actual American there. It was a
| really fun scene, late night and lit up, busy joint).
|
| I'm pretty much 100% certain that what came out of the kitchen
| was a filet of dog. It was a piece of meat. It was a bit
| charred. Definitely neither pork nor beef. But red. Thin, like
| it was from alongside the ribs of a medium sized animal. Gamey.
| A bit stringy. Tough. I ate it, but I cried inside. (My ex got
| some nameless white fish from the Mekong and was sick for a
| couple days, so I was kinda lucky).
|
| So yeah, watch out for when they translate you into "American-
| style" something. What they usually mean is "barbarian" lol
| rntksi wrote:
| Believe it or not ... no, you did not eat dog meat.
| zyngaro wrote:
| How do you know ?
| tempodox wrote:
| Funny, Google Translate renders "Ba Fan " as "grilled rice".
| Never trust an automated translation if you don't know both
| languages.
| yakkomajuri wrote:
| My knowledge of Chinese is slim (and getting worse!) but Fan
| is indeed "rice". However, it is also used as "meal" in a lot
| of contexts.
|
| It's common to say Chi Fan (eat rice) as a way of saying "to
| have a meal".
|
| Unsure what it is supposed to mean in this context though.
|
| (note: also don't trust a random person on the internet - me
| - with your translations)
| Razengan wrote:
| > _It 's common to say Chi Fan (eat rice) as a way of
| saying "to have a meal"._
|
| So like "break bread", "earning bread", "bread and butter"
| etc.
| HidyBush wrote:
| Fun fact: just as the Chinese (and I think other asian
| cultures) utilize "rice"(their staple grain) as a synoym
| for a meal so in English we use the concept of a staple
| grain as a synoym for a meal: meal.
| tylerfontaine wrote:
| I can't believe this usage of "meal" never occurred to
| me. That's an amazing bit of trivia.
| imperistan wrote:
| This is something of all ages I guess. In the Bible
| (written thousands of years ago) they use 'eating bread'
| as a synonym for having a meal together.
| KptMarchewa wrote:
| English use tea for some reason.
| gumby wrote:
| That's because in Victorian times the lower classes often
| couldn't afford a meal at that time and had to subside on
| some tea and perhaps a slice of bread.
|
| The use of "tea" for that meal remains a class signifier;
| my paternal grandmother used it, my parents did not (my
| mother, despite not being a native speaker, presumably is
| the one who eradicated it from my father's vocabulary),
| and yet I continue to say unwittingly say it occasionally
| though I now live in the USA. A vestigial Australianism
| in my case
|
| It's definitely "non-U" in the UK, though that whole
| world is mostly gone.
| sleightofmind wrote:
| I've heard it as "breaking bread." I like the phrase. But
| yeah, it's essentially the same as eating bread, and it
| clearly refers to having a meal and is not limited to
| bread.
| carapace wrote:
| "Companion" is literally someone you eat bread with: "co"
| or "com" is together ("community") and "pan" is bread.
| Svip wrote:
| As far as I can tell, "meal" (time) and "meal" (flour)
| have different etymological origins. There was still a
| difference in spelling in Middle English (mel vs mele),
| but that distinction was lost in Modern English.[0]
|
| [0] https://www.etymonline.com/word/meal
| chrisjc wrote:
| Person from GB: "how about a little tea?"
| nirui wrote:
| I'm also a random person on the Internet, but I can confirm
| that "Fan " can mean both "rice (Mi )" or meal, depends on
| the combination of word. "Chi Fan " almost always mean
| "have/having/had a meal".
|
| However, based on my research (1), "Ba Fan " is likely a
| meal type rather than an action. For example, "Ji Ba Fan "
| consists of a bowl of rice covered by a layer of pre-cooked
| chicken breast plus some veggies. The rice itself seemed
| normally cooked, not grilled. And yes, this sounded very
| similar to "Gai Jiao Fan " which is also a meal type.
|
| 1: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%E6%89%92%E9%A5%AD&iax=images&
| ia=i... yes, quite literally a re-search
|
| (Me been a local to the country, you would assume that I
| knew this kind of things. Well...no, this is the first time
| I learned this term. But if someone asks me "Hey do you
| want some Ji Ba Fan ?", I'll take my chances.)
| livinglist wrote:
| no Chi Fan doesn't always mean have a meal, when asking
| if some one would prefer rice or noodle, it's 'Chi Fan
| Huan Shi Chi Mian ' ( you eat rice or noodle), it heavily
| depends on the context.
| thrdbndndn wrote:
| I'm a native Chinese. I think it's Zhu Ba Fan or Ji Ba
| Fan , Zhu Ba =Zhu Pai =pork chops*.
|
| Note: Pai literally means ribs. But this dish has been
| evolved quite a bit and now Zhu Pai could be any part of
| pork, and I'd say pork chop is actually more common than
| actual ribs nowadays. Same goes to chicken - Ji Pai /Ji
| Ba is typically just chicken breast (not like chicken
| has ribs to begin with, hehe).
| lifthrasiir wrote:
| Naver, a major Korean website, has its own MT service called
| Papago [1] which rivals Google translate for supported language
| pairs. One day it started to translate a URL to Amazon German
| to an email address of my friend, who is a member of the KDE
| localization team and presumably his address made into the
| bilingual corpus Papago used. It took him years and also a
| governmental intervention to realize the origin of mysterious
| emails and sort the whole thing out.
|
| [1] https://papago.naver.com/
| martincmartin wrote:
| Reminds me of the "Translate server error" fails:
| https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=11907
| nottorp wrote:
| Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence.
| Someone probably didn't know to translate "sexy party dress" or
| something like that.
| bambax wrote:
| Agreed. For some reason, translation is considered secondary,
| and many websites resort to automatic translation tools. They
| produce content that seems "good enough" but often result in
| snafus like this.
|
| A proper translation company would cost a lot more, sure, but
| the results would be orders of magnitude better.
|
| This is somewhat similar to the way money is spent on making
| movies. Pennies are saved during the writing process, and
| millions wasted on stars, locations, special effects, to shoot
| pointless scenes in stories that make no sense.
| hrdwdmrbl wrote:
| The "popular search term" theory also fits with incompetence
| since it's automation run wild :)
| ralfn wrote:
| My favorite of Ali Express in Dutch is that they ship from
| Porcelain. We understand they mean China and it's obvious what
| happened.
|
| Their MT for Chinese to Dutch was trained on Chinese translations
| but used for Dutch translations.
| anoncow wrote:
| The page is slashdotted.
| blenderdt wrote:
| Edit: ah yes, you are talking about the blog..
| fudgefactorfive wrote:
| I think he meant the blog post hosted by Michiel, not
| AliExpress the massive conglomerate...
| ben_w wrote:
| I think parent comment is about the blog, not Aliexpress.
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