[HN Gopher] Translate a message 10 times into different language...
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Translate a message 10 times into different languages and back
Author : firstSpeaker
Score : 123 points
Date : 2022-04-27 06:15 UTC (16 hours ago)
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| jslakro wrote:
| What translation engine are you using for this project?
| escape_goat wrote:
| Given a source language and a destination language, I wonder if a
| linguist could design a series of translations that exacerbate
| the loss of meaning which occurs when words are automatically
| translated from the context of one language to another. When I
| write something that I intend to automatically translate, or that
| I know will likely be read in translation, I often use a simple
| reflexive translation from source through destination and back to
| source in order to detect any lack of clarity in my words. Seeing
| a smoother, more automated feedback while writing for translation
| would help people improve their communications.
| vorticalbox wrote:
| I tried "hello world" it came back simply as "death"
| js2 wrote:
| If this reminds you of a game played in a PKD short-story, but
| can't recall which story, it's _Galactic Pot-Healer_ :
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30701415
| tikimcfee wrote:
| > I want to help make the world a better place for everyone to
| live in, to thrive in, and to be their best selves for themselves
| and each other.
|
| Became
|
| > I like the world living for everyone, I still help me and the
| best place for each other.
|
| Always worries me I'm just one mistranslation away from my intent
| being completely lost in the medium of the message...
|
| Actually, this has me intensely curious: there have to be people
| doing ML for automated translation, right? Is one of the
| parameters of the translation that you get back what you put in
| originally? I understand there's "language divides", and that
| only helps to deepen the necessity to actually rely on algorithms
| that are making sure the intent of the message is carried... if
| we can't write an algorithm for it right now, maybe we can throw
| CPUs at it until a net of random weights gives us 99.9% of the
| same text and message.
|
| (One more edit, this is fun) One more pass resulted in, trailing
| comma and all:
|
| > People have to live, people are alive,
| zorlack wrote:
| "The sun warms my back this morning" -> "This morning, the sun
| will shine on my house again."
|
| "Back" somehow became shelter?
| RobertRoberts wrote:
| Telephone game: "Translating words through many languages and
| back is like playing the telephone game." -> "Your words in many
| languages and return to phone games."
|
| Do NOT use auto-translate for political speeches: "Ask not what
| your country can do for you but what you can do for your country"
| -> "Don't ask what you can do for your country. But what can you
| do in your country?"
| dr_orpheus wrote:
| Even when using real translators, there have been issues
| political speeches. I don't remember the exact context but at
| the height of the Cold War there was a meeting at the UN and
| the USSR representative said an idiom that was meant to be
| treated as "we (communism) will outlive you (capitalism)", but
| is more literally translated as "we will bury you" which tends
| to have a different connotation in English.
|
| Edit: It was Nikita Khrushchev at the Polish Embassy with
| Western ambassadors:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_will_bury_you
| yosito wrote:
| I have a lot of international friends. A majority of them speak
| fluent English. But sometimes I like to send them short messages
| in their native languages which I don't speak, just for fun. When
| I started doing this, ten years ago, machine translation was far
| worse than it is now, so I would often pass a translation through
| a few languages and back to make sure that what I was saying held
| a pretty consistent meaning when translated. If not, I could re-
| work the original into something simpler or more literal.
|
| While doing that, I often thought it would be fun to play the
| kids game "Telephone" with my international friends where instead
| of the classic version of just whispering what you heard to the
| person next to you in the same language and seeing what comes out
| at the other end, each person would translate what they heard
| into their native language and before passing it on. It's a
| little tricky to play in real life because you have to line
| people up according to their language pairs, but doing it with
| machine translation works, and it's a lot of fun to see what
| happens with this.
| notRobot wrote:
| Ooh, that sounds like a lot of fun, I'd love to play that game
| with my online friends sometime!
| khazhoux wrote:
| "I sometimes wonder if it's ok to put forks inside my pants" ->
| "You can see that pierce with pier and pier."
| lekevicius wrote:
| "I like pizza" survived exactly.
| vishnugupta wrote:
| Hello, good morning. ---> Hi how to do it ---> How is it going
| ---> how are you --> What is the move right now? --> How is
| travel transportation?
| xdennis wrote:
| Reminds me of the message the pope of Rome sent to the Mongol
| khan. It did a bad job of explaining Christianity even in it's
| original Latin, but since there were no Latin to Mongol speakers
| it had to be translated through numerous other interpreters.
| Unsuprisingly the khan didn't understand anything.
|
| Here's the begining translated to English:
|
| > The immense benevolence of God the father, considering with
| ineffable piety the fall of mankind, which came to ruin by the
| sin of the first man, and wishing with great love to mercifully
| revive him whom diabolic envy has made prostrate by deceitful
| suggestion, has sent his only-begotten son, sharing the same
| nature with him, from the highest throne of heaven to the lowest
| dirt of the world, he who, conceived in the womb of the pre-
| elected virgin by the grace of the Holy Spirit and endowed there
| with the clothing of human flesh, thenceforth appeared to all,
| having exited from the enclosed gate of his mother's virginity.
|
| The rest:
| https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Translation:Dei_Patris_Immens...
|
| And here it is passed through this 10 times translator, perhaps
| approximating what the khan heard:
|
| > Their women's father believes that the kidney is the most
| quantity of waste in the sky. He came into the world in rape of
| rape and done with the human body. The sword appears to my mom.
| bjstrevy wrote:
| I manually did it through Google Translate using the first result
| of top languages in the world and it wasn't too far off.
|
| "Translate a message 10 times into different languages and back."
| -> English -> Mandarin(Chinese Simplified) -> Hindi -> Spanish ->
| French -> Arabic -> Bengali -> Russian -> Portuguese ->
| Indonesian -> English "Translate messages into multiple languages
| and return 10 times."
| alex_young wrote:
| > _" When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for
| one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected
| them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth,
| the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of
| Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of
| mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel
| them to the separation."_
|
| ---
|
| "During folk events, people should publish political groups.
| Related to others and others between an independent army God gave
| them laws and laws. They confirm that people will be expressed in
| the ministry's opinion."
| gorkempacaci wrote:
| It would have been cool to see a translation to the original
| language at every step, to reveal the gradual loss of meaning.
| [deleted]
| NemuriBaku wrote:
| "The human is almost extinct in the wild. A captive breeding
| program has been phenomenally successful. Sometimes humans say
| they eat nachos like an animal, as though they aren't one." -> "A
| man disappears in the forest. The prisoner's system was
| successful. Sometimes people say they are animals."
| ItsBob wrote:
| The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog --> Bad F. FO FRO GRO
|
| Lol
| jack_pp wrote:
| I got "Fast Nasio Fox turned unknown dogs"
| muhammadusman wrote:
| hello - armpits
| jackblemming wrote:
| Could something like this be used as a loss function in a neural
| net? It seems like perfect translations could be translated back
| and forth many times.
| mechanical_bear wrote:
| Your comment run through a few times:
|
| The great Bible translation is the best idea to live your life.
| mrastro wrote:
| Maybe it'd work for certain languages and phrases but many
| words/phrases have imperfect translations across languages and
| the same sentence could map to multiple valid translations.
| isoprophlex wrote:
| Yeah this idea has been tried before, see for example the
| cycleGAN architecture (not for language, but image-to-image
| translation)
|
| https://bellchen.me/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/LUOHAO_151325...
| vkazanov wrote:
| "A fat cat was eating" -> "the fat cat was food"
| skitter wrote:
| Makes me think of toki pona, which doesn't distinguish between
| eating and being food.
| speedylight wrote:
| You are what you eat after all, so this is technically correct
| haha.
| lominming wrote:
| Tried "Hello" thinking that (1) it will be the easiest, and (2)
| probably I will get some variation of a greeting back (hi, hey,
| ...). Instead, I got:
|
| Hello -> Lac
| bloak wrote:
| Nice!
|
| There's a radiator key in the bureau. - The underground has a key
| to the office.
| chainwax wrote:
| This could use a loading indicator.
| dhosek wrote:
| Back in the 80s, there was a small piece in _Omni_ magazine where
| they talked about early machine translation efforts and the
| phrase, "Out of sight, out of mind," translated to Russian and
| back became "Invisible insanity."
|
| This process gave me "To see, thoughts."
|
| My writing group's website was scraped and translated into
| Chinese for a gambling spam site (I don't really understand why).
| There were some oddly poetic bits in the Google translation
| results for the page that I looked at, my favorite being one
| member's name, Billy Gee, became Billy Wow.
| _tom_ wrote:
| "Invisible idiot" is how I remember it.
| kgeist wrote:
| I heard a different one, the Russian saying "The spirit is
| willing but the flesh is weak" returned back as "The vodka is
| good but the meat is rotten".
| MaysonL wrote:
| I ran "The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak" through
| the meat-grinder a few times, till it hit a fixed point at "A
| group of animals".
| RandomRandy wrote:
| "I am nothing more than a sentient being suffering while waiting
| for the sweet release of death." -> "I won't wait for a living
| because I don't expect to live from life."
|
| I too don't expect to live from life
| titaniumtown wrote:
| I made a program like this years ago. it was very fun messing
| around with it.
| substation13 wrote:
| Urgent brown foxes are jumping lazy dogs.
| mwint wrote:
| Mine took a different route from (I assume) the same initial
| input: "The brown fox jumped quickly on the lazy dog." Which
| isn't really that much loss, I think.
| braum wrote:
| "What would you do for a Klondike bar?"
|
| "It is? What would you do for clone drinks?"
| _tom_ wrote:
| This would be more fun if they showed a translation back to
| English after each step, so you could see how it changed at each
| step. (Approximately)
|
| This is one of the most fun parts of the game of telephone, going
| through the circle again, and having each person say out loud
| what the thought they heard.
| frankhorrigan wrote:
| I built something last week to do exactly this. I think if I
| post it here it will get HN hug of death'd because it's on a
| free Heroku tier and has an API limit. But DM me if you'd like
| the link.
| colordrops wrote:
| How many forests can produce firewood. Can you have wooden
| forests?
|
| .
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| .
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| .
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| .
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| .
|
| .
|
| From: How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could
| chuck wood?
| mechanical_bear wrote:
| "How much is a jewelry on wood?"
|
| From your derived comments.
| layer8 wrote:
| Just FYI, it isn't deterministic.
| mwint wrote:
| "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do
| eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut
| enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris
| nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat." (Latin)
|
| became:
|
| "Lauren est similis, lycopersiciSusceptibility rutrum, sed ego te
| nocere me et vultus realis. Si liber facile adducere ad accedere
| nervi ministerium." (Latin)
|
| Doing a final pass manually to English:
|
| "Lauren is like, tomato makeup, but i'm hurting you and you look
| so real. Bring a book if you can easily access the nerve
| service."
| mbg721 wrote:
| Note that the original isn't actual grammatically correct
| Latin. It's snippets of Cicero that were altered specifically
| to create meaningless sample text.
| mwint wrote:
| Indeed, that's why I wanted to see what would come out the
| other end.
| CSSer wrote:
| That is oddly poetic.
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| irrational wrote:
| Is it possible to have a machine translation that is so good that
| you get back the original message after the 10 times? I suppose
| that might depend on what languages you are translating it into
| and how closely they map to the starting language.
| frankhorrigan wrote:
| This is so bizarre. I just wrote a program to do this last
| week. Precisely the same thing.
|
| I did it with the Google Translate API first, and you can
| translate it into 100 different languages and back again
| without ANY data loss whatsoever. My only guess is that they
| have so check that everything hashes to the same thing? Like
| some uber-language to check against.
| miloignis wrote:
| "The sky above the port was the color of television tuned to a
| dead channel." -> "The dead TV channel was the air on top of
| color."
|
| Very fun!
| speedylight wrote:
| "How much wood would a woodchuck chuck" -> "Number of numbers"
|
| I'll concede it's not an easy sentence to make sense of in
| another language, let alone 10 and back...It does still make me
| question how much damage has been caused (in the most general
| sense) due to meaning being lost in translation between people.
|
| In the movie "Arrival"--which is mainly about establishing
| communication with an extraterrestrial species that visited earth
| goes fairly in depth into what I consider very realistic
| challenges and possible methodologies of teaching the aliens our
| (English) language, and us learning theirs. They even built a
| rudimentary translator once they had a solid enough
| understanding. Would highly recommend watching it if you like
| this kind of content.
|
| Thank you for sharing OP.
| SamBam wrote:
| That was a great short story.
|
| In contrast, I just read Project Hail Mary, by Andy Weir,
| author of the Martian, and boy is translation between alien
| languages nice and trivial in that.
| Bedon292 wrote:
| Isn't a big part of Arrival that the aliens don't experience
| time the same way we do? Or something along those lines. When
| something that fundamental is different, that has to become a
| major hurdle in communication.
|
| Whereas the aliens in Project Hail Mary are still
| fundamentally similar organisms. And you just have to come up
| with a common baseline to understand each other. Humans have
| been able to learn to translate between different languages
| for a long time now. It seemed no different than that to me.
| Especially when you add in machine assistance.
|
| I would actually be quite curious though. If you put two
| people in a room, and each one only speaks one distinct
| language, and their only goal is to communicate with each
| other. How long before they can effectively communicate? Now
| it wouldn't be a perfect comparison because there is likely
| shared body language. It would still be interesting.
| op00to wrote:
| Im contractually obligated to mention the novel The Dragons
| Egg, which followed the interactions between humans and
| life that evolved on a neutron star. Major time issues in
| that one. Fun read!
| jfk13 wrote:
| That would be what's known as "monolingual fieldwork" in
| linguistic circles.
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYpWp7g7XWU
| tomsmeding wrote:
| > If you put two people in a room, and each one only speaks
| one distinct language, and their only goal is to
| communicate with each other. How long before they can
| effectively communicate?
|
| I would sign up for that even, maybe. I think the main
| problem with that idea is that willingness to spend time in
| such an endeavour is highly positively correlated with
| knowledge of certain well-spread Indo-European languages.
| ;)
| jacobolus wrote:
| > _If you put two people in a room, and each one only
| speaks one distinct language, and their only goal is to
| communicate with each other. How long before they can
| effectively communicate?_
|
| They can (somewhat) effectively communicate right from the
| start, and third party observers who speak neither language
| can mostly follow along too. Demo:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3qqYyQC9ww
| Octoth0rpe wrote:
| > Isn't a big part of Arrival that the aliens don't
| experience time the same way we do? Or something along
| those lines.
|
| Yes, but an important detail in the plot (possibly a
| spoiler) is that they experience time differently _because_
| of the structure of their language, sort of an extreme
| outcome of the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis. A human learning
| their language will eventually experience time in the same
| way. Notably this is the pattern used by most of the
| stories in the collection that Arrival was derived from
| (Stories of your life and others). The author takes a
| phrase, hypothesis, etc and creates a story out of an
| extreme and concretized outcome from it. All of the stories
| in the collection are well worth reading IMO.
| sva_ wrote:
| It turned "Hitler was a right-wing extremist" into "Hitler is
| great". On 2nd try: "Hitler was incorrect and balanced". 3rd:
| "Hitler is a good thing"
| aurora72 wrote:
| Doesn't work on Firefox 68.
| Markoff wrote:
| Result:
|
| Firefox is not 66 years.
|
| That's interesting change going from 68 to 66.
| chanandler_bong wrote:
| Firefox 68? That's so old the code is half Aramaic...
| sophacles wrote:
| Speaking of Aramaic - there was a translation of Smashmouth's
| all-star to aramaic and back again floating around a few
| years ago: https://nerdist.com/article/translated-aramaic-
| english-smash...
| chanandler_bong wrote:
| Wow... that really is some good poetry. Thanks for sharing.
| aurora72 wrote:
| It's one of the latest really private versions, it doesn't
| try to connect to tens of various websites under the shitto
| "your security & privacy is of paramount importance to us"
| and works with %99 of the websites. The %1 websites aren't
| essential or worth visiting anyway. So whether its code is
| Aramaic or Lateinic, it's good.
| true_repairman wrote:
| Firefox is not used in 68.
| aurora72 wrote:
| Whether it's used commonly or not, it's one the latest
| versions which don't interfere with your privacy and it works
| with %99+ of the websites. The %1- sites which don't work,
| aren't essential or worth visiting, so I'm fine with it :)
| faebi wrote:
| You should consider upgrading your Firefox version by 40%.
| aurora72 wrote:
| It works with %99 of the websites. Besides it's one of the
| latest versions that don't undermine your privacy.
| Semaphor wrote:
| That's a 3-year-old version, long out of support...
| toper-centage wrote:
| Version 68 is the last one that supports CPU over-heating
| when holding down the spacebar, and it's fundamental to some
| people's workflow in emacs.
| fsflover wrote:
| (Reference to https://xkcd.com/1172/)
| unavoidable wrote:
| "To be or not to be, that is the question." -> "Or not."
|
| That settles it then.
| V1ndaar wrote:
| Haha, tried the same and got:
|
| "Even if this is a problem."
| od14 wrote:
| I got: "The question is different"
|
| I can't stop laughing, this is treasure
| stordoff wrote:
| "To be or not to be, that is the question." -> "No
| questions."
| donatj wrote:
| I had a Yahoo! Pipe back in the day to do this exactly this with
| Babelfish against RSS feeds.
| ruckus_one wrote:
| `I struggle with brain farts. -> Sorry for the brain disorder.`
|
| This cannot be a coincidence. I feel like the author has spoken.
| drcongo wrote:
| I love this.
|
| > There once was a man from Nantucket
|
| > Who carried his balls in a bucket
|
| Became...
|
| > Once the man was a man
|
| > Take the ball to the pan
|
| I love that it still rhymes.
| ibudiallo wrote:
| "My name is Ibrahim" -> "My name is Abraham"
|
| This is exactly what happens when I tell people my name in the
| US. At least, now I know that Americans are deca-lingual.
| [deleted]
| vericiab wrote:
| The languages it gets translated to aren't deterministic so I put
| the same sentence in 10 times. I was curious if a simple
| statement that has a conceptual equivalent in many cultures would
| tend to survive relatively unscathed so each time started with "I
| made a cup of tea".
|
| 1. "I made a cup of tea"
|
| 2. "I work a tree cup"
|
| 3. "I have prepared a cup of tea."
|
| 4. "I made a cup"
|
| 5. "I make a cup of tea"
|
| 6. "I made a cuppa."
|
| 7. "I prepared a cup of tea"
|
| 8. "Tea"
|
| 9. "I made a cup of tea"
|
| 10. "I have a cup of tea."
|
| Better than I expected really. I'm kind of impressed that it
| veered into slang on the sixth try and still retained the
| original meaning.
| vericiab wrote:
| Five tests of "I made a pot of tea" on the other hand were far
| less successful.
|
| 1. "I have made a teaspoon"
|
| 2. "I lived in a stain"
|
| 3. "I'm drinking tea"
|
| 4. "I have made a single potential"
|
| 5. "I made a basket"
| adrianh wrote:
| This was done 10+ years ago by Translation Party
| (https://www.translationparty.com/), though they simply converted
| between English and Japanese.
| Grustaf wrote:
| Going to Japanese and back is probably more effective than
| passing through 10 Indo-European languages as I think it did
| for me, all the ones I remember were at least IE. The sentence
| came with exactly the same meaning.
| bklaasen wrote:
| Twenty years ago I was in Japan, as an onsite tester while we
| tried out this new thing called XP. The project wasn't going
| smoothly because no one had told our Japanese clients we were
| building the solution iteratively, with their input.
|
| At one stage, we all received an email, in Japanese, from the
| project stakeholder. I put it through machine translation,
| which back then was pretty raw. The English text was largely
| gobbledygook, except for one sentence, still branded in my
| brain: "It becomes the alligator."
|
| Summed up the project perfectly.
| dr_orpheus wrote:
| Well putting "It becomes the alligator" through the 10
| languages (don't know if any were actually Japanese) I got
| "Occurs with this technician" which seems like something that
| you could put in any project input.
|
| I really wish there was a history function with a translation
| back to English at each stage. I would be curious to see if
| you could identify at what language change "Alligator" became
| "Technician"
| rapnie wrote:
| Capitalist greed is destroying our planet --> Rewards for world
| assistance.
|
| Hmm.
| philipov wrote:
| back in the IRC days, this was called a babel loop, because the
| bot we had to do this used the Babel Fish translation engine.
| bovermyer wrote:
| "My name is Ben and I am a computer programmer" => "I'm so nice,
| it's a computer."
|
| I enjoy this too much.
| bmmayer1 wrote:
| "He doesn't like her, but she likes him" ==> "As a person but you
| love"
| teeray wrote:
| Lyrics are gold through this thing:
|
| So a story about, My life is going on I want to make minutes and
| want to be there, I am telling you, I'm in the city and bathe in
| the city.
|
| Born from Western Hiladelphia Because I have the biggest days in
| the game.
| abofh wrote:
| Hi santo
| TuringTest wrote:
| _English pangrams:_
|
| The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog -> Fox is expected to
| become Fox's knowledge
|
| The five boxing wizards jump quickly -> Scientists were quickly
| thrown.
|
| Pack my box with five dozen liquor jugs. -> Put five wine calls
| in my box and release.
|
| Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow -> Quartz black crane
| support, my marriage broke
|
| ---
|
| _Spanish pangrams (translated to English after the final step):_
|
| Young man poisoned with whiskey, what a figure you display! ->
| The young man who nurtures murder is his fire!
|
| Jose bought an old panpipe in Peru. Excusing herself, Sofia threw
| her whiskey down the sidewalk drain. -> Buy a glitter in juice in
| Peru. Sofia Sophia asked Sufia.
|
| The swift Indian bat was happily eating thistle and kiwi. The
| stork played the saxophone behind the straw palenque. -> Fast
| Indian on Wali and Kiwi. After the saxophone, Somka played the
| balconies.
|
| Benjamin ordered a kiwi and strawberry drink. Noah, shamelessly,
| the most exquisite champagne on the menu. -> Enlie someone asked
| to get rid of the events and stress. Noah's knife, Noah, leaving
| them and led them to leave.
| SubiculumCode wrote:
| The thing is, no grammar even has to be involved in this.
|
| "Tree" returned "Enjoyable"
| elpool2 wrote:
| I also tried "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog" but
| I got back "The brown fox raped the dog quickly".
| Jeff_Brown wrote:
| I wonder why the result so often repeats a word that isn't
| repeated (if it appears at all) in the original.
| dr_orpheus wrote:
| Looking at others results on here it seems to be relatively
| common for this to happen.
|
| For example I did "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy
| dog" > "The fastest dog is the fastest dog"
| FatalLogic wrote:
| It might be caused by words that are compounded from two
| words that now have similar meanings, such as Wolfhound or
| Taxicab? Those words could sometimes get translated to two
| separate words in another language
|
| For instance, Google Translate from English to Chinese and
| back to English does wolfhound > Lang Gou > "wolf dog"
| godot wrote:
| I took a Stripe marketing email that just landed in my inbox to
| test this out:
|
| "How to stay competitive by building ecosystems of connected
| experiences that reward loyalty The power of localized payment
| methods to boost global revenue growth Whether recent crypto
| growth is sustainable or even warranted"
|
| Kinda amusing how much shorter the final translation is:
|
| "The environment that surrounds the environment? The status of
| international funding development Don't last"
| dr_orpheus wrote:
| Oh, translating marketing gobbledygook sounds fun!
|
| From a recent presentation I received: "Accelerate delivery of
| new systems 'at the speed of need'. Paired with rapid
| capability acquisition approaches. Enable open architectures
| that promote modularity and adaptability. Pivot to
| better/different solutions to respond to evolving threats, new
| tech"
|
| Ended up as
|
| "Please note the new Speed computer. The boy has a quick path.
| Change open lists, remove true and true. It is best to want
| better than more than more than more than more than more than
| more"
|
| I love the repetitive loop its get stuck in. Not sure how that
| happened. I also think "Please note the new Speed computer"
| should be the marketing phrase every time someone releases a
| new CPU.
| chanandler_bong wrote:
| Shall we play a game? Guess the original song based on the
| translation:
|
| To the ventilation of the gas ventilation in the ventilation
|
| A warm odor of jam, wind
|
| I saw a bright light before the front
|
| The weight of my head and check
|
| I had to let me get at night.
|
| He stood at the door.
|
| I heard an accredited work
|
| I think that
|
| "Time or hell".
|
| And transmit the light that takes
|
| to continue
|
| I think he heard his story.
| zorr wrote:
| breathe, warm, light, story etc make me think of something by
| Pearl Jam, Bush or Fleetwood Mac but honestly I have no clue.
| chanandler_bong wrote:
| Fleetwood Mac was close-ish...
| iglio wrote:
| Hotel California?
| chanandler_bong wrote:
| Ding!
| kretaceous wrote:
| Hotel California by the Eagles
| chanandler_bong wrote:
| Ding!
| yodon wrote:
| Not sure if others had this experience but by a few lines into
| the text I was hearing these words sung to the tune of hotel
| california while reading them.
|
| My conscious had zero awareness of what was going on, but my
| subconscious got it immediately.
| op00to wrote:
| Exactly same experience.
| renewiltord wrote:
| Bizarrely, same! I actually thought I was getting it wrong
| but was like "Damn, too bad this stuck in my head" haha!
| drexlspivey wrote:
| It's arguably the most famous song of all time so not that
| suprising imo.
| mbg721 wrote:
| That's an interesting claim, but it's plausible. I would
| have thought "Happy Birthday" or some Beatles song. Is
| there a list of most recognized songs someplace?
| andrelaszlo wrote:
| I had the exact same thing. Started humming it but it made no
| sense,so I thought "nah, probably some new song that I don't
| know". Interesting!
| dkarl wrote:
| Can you guess my theme?
|
| "You want to destroy your enemies, look at them before sadness
| of sadness from a woman."
|
| "Do you remember when you decide the meeting? I lun."
|
| "It's not a mood!"
|
| "Back."
| camtarn wrote:
| Schwarzenegger films? Don't recognise the middle two, but the
| first one is obviously Conan and the last one is presumably
| Terminator?
| dkarl wrote:
| Yep! The middle two are, "Do you remember when I promised
| to kill you last? I lied," and "It's not a tumor!"
|
| Other catchphrases:
|
| "Get to the chopper!" ended up as, "Get ten people."
|
| "Let off some steam, Bennet," ended up as, "Free steam,
| release Bennett."
|
| "Hasta la vista, baby," ended up as "Hasta La Vista Kids."
| The engine correctly identified "hasta la vista" as not
| being in the native language and left it alone at every
| step, except that it got transliterated for some languages
| (but not all!) and ended up capitalized in the end.
| fallingfrog wrote:
| I'm really enjoying torturing this service with bizarre phrases..
|
| "I have tarried too long in the garden of plenty, and now my
| waistcoat is too small to successfully encircle my girthy frame."
| -> "I have often had the opportunity to spend time with time, and
| now there is a small hip for success."
| stolenmerch wrote:
| "A long descriptive name is better than a short enigmatic name. A
| long descriptive name is better than a long descriptive comment."
|
| "The reported name is longer than a mysterious name and a short
| debt explanation is better than long-term interpretation."
| SubiculumCode wrote:
| "I am a rich woman" returned "I am to be married." "I am rich" "I
| am fair" and "I am a rich person." Only after a dozen iterations
| did it come back correctly.
| koreth1 wrote:
| "Be excellent to each other." -> "It may be better to be
| different."
| nicgrev103 wrote:
| 'We come in peace' becomes 'We are in the room' reminds me of the
| movie 'Arrival' about trying to communicate with aliens and the
| linguistic difficulties.
| was_a_dev wrote:
| "Hello" -> "Good night!"
|
| Interesting to see a simple word and meaning flipped on its head.
| It even gained an explaination mark!
|
| It'd be great if we could see all 10 translations matched
| alongside English to see how it devolves per translation.
| vulcan01 wrote:
| I assume in one of the steps, "Hello" was translated into a
| word that was for both greeting and farewell (such as "ciao" in
| Italian) and then the next step translated it into the
| farewell.
| robbedpeter wrote:
| No offense intended, but it's "exclamation mark" - it's a
| common mistake.
| was_a_dev wrote:
| None taken, you are correct after all.
|
| And thank you, I was looking at it wondering why it didn't
| look or sound _quiet right_ , I just didn't catch it.
| platelminto wrote:
| One of my favourite ever YouTube channels, that sadly isn't
| around anymore, explored this concept with the 'Fresh Prince of
| Bel-Air' theme song. If anyone's interested check CDZA out!
|
| https://youtu.be/LMkJuDVJdTw
| TonyTrapp wrote:
| Hah! That was my first thought as well when I read the
| headline. Classic video!
| wycy wrote:
| "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
| created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with
| certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty
| and the pursuit of Happiness." -> "We are forced to produce these
| rights and all people are included and create our ordinary Rights
| of Freedom and Happiness."
| TuringTest wrote:
| I like the translated version better
| kps wrote:
| I got, "All people are equal and their Creator, freedom, and
| happiness, happiness and happiness", which is... happier.
| akmittal wrote:
| `Great to see you -> Mouth`
|
| And I thought translation is so good these days
| ithkuil wrote:
| Context matters. If you don't have context you can't translate
| faithfully.
|
| Some expressions have multiple meanings.
|
| Humans do a very good job guessing the most likely meaning, but
| the main metric of what constitutes the most likely meaning is
| the context. The other metric is which meaning is the most
| common. But humans can disagree about what they think is most
| common/reasonable.
|
| The shorter the text, the less internal context, the more
| opportunities for drift.
|
| For example consider the full sentence:
|
| > The farmer allows walkers to cross the field for free, but
| the bull charges.
|
| Here it's clear it's a word play on the multiple meanings of
| the verb "to charge" and a human translator can decide to
| traduce it correctly but losing the word play or to just give
| up or invent an equivalent word play.
|
| But in isolation "the bull charges" is likely to be interpreted
| as the bull is going to hit you with its horns, rather than it
| will require you to give it some money.
|
| Now, you just have to find a word that behaves this way one the
| way back to English, which gets more and more likely the more
| languages you use in the chain.
| oneeyedpigeon wrote:
| In this case, shouldn't a translator give me both options?
| E.g. it should translate both "the bull attacks" and "the
| bull requires payment". If it can find a single word with
| both meanings in the target language, use that. Otherwise,
| return multiple options -- a UI could allow the user to
| choose, presenting the meaning of each translation alongside
| it.
| numpad0 wrote:
| > the bull requires payment
|
| Is the bull the one requiring or being required the
| payment? Or is bull used as a noun or a verb - I mean it's
| just too ambiguous to do anything with, and some ambiguity
| is hard to even notice without a context. Though, "the bull
| charges" is worse; it can't even be determined whether it's
| first or second person interaction, so "the bull requires"
| is definitely a clarification.
| bwanab wrote:
| This probably is going a little too far, but:
|
| "Since the introduction of the special principle of relativity
| has been justified, every intellect which strives after
| generalisation must feel the temptation to venture the step
| towards the general principle of relativity. But a simple and
| apparently quite reliable consideration seems to suggest that,
| for the present at any rate, there is little hope of success in
| such an attempt;"
|
| Excerpt From Relativity : the Special and General Theory Albert
| Einstein
|
| Becomes:
|
| If you have a unique ideology, you need to see everything known
| in a simple light. But for these skills to succeed, you can trust
| the activity easily and cleanly.
| SCUSKU wrote:
| The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a
| disaster for the human race -(3 iterations)-> Be a man with a
| dangerous daughter.
|
| That's one way to deal with it!
| degun wrote:
| Is your mother's health better now? -> Is it? Is your health
| good?
| degun wrote:
| I am. --> I want to be.
| wycy wrote:
| To be, or want to be. That is the question.
| drewzero1 wrote:
| To be or not to be --> According to Noah
| postalrat wrote:
| My house is a mess. -> My house is fine.
| arcticbull wrote:
| A popular YouTuber, Brandon Farris, has a whole playlist of
| recipes ostensibly having been run through the a similar process
| and then followed literally. Certainly worth a couple of laughs.
| For instance, [edit](chocolate souffle). [1]
|
| [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar6_0KYmDLg
| anonymousisme wrote:
| This is a terrific example of the game of "telephone", but
| achieves the result through multiple language translations
| instead of multiple phrase interpretations in the same language.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_whispers
| stordoff wrote:
| I tried a few random political slogans that came to mind.
|
| "Brexit means Brexit" -> "Brotherhood is the collapse"
|
| "Make America Great Again" -> "Renovate"
|
| "For the Many, not the Few" -> "There is no man"
|
| "Build Back Better" -> "This is good"
|
| "Change We Can Believe In" -> "We can be confident"
|
| "Because Britain Deserves Better" -> "Because the UK is useful"
| fallingfrog wrote:
| "Please accept this rabid fruit bat as a gesture of the degree of
| respect I have for you and your colleagues."
|
| ->
|
| "Here's. Receive battery life as a size of respect to you and
| your peers."
|
| "When at last I become king, rest assured that you and all of
| your dastardly co-conspirators will be the first against the
| wall."
|
| ->
|
| "I think I am king, we hope all the authors are doing at work."
| Markoff wrote:
| Hi, what's your name? -> Hey! What's your name?
|
| In Slovak going from friendly to rude.
|
| What's today for lunch? -> What's the food condition now?
|
| That changed completely.
|
| I wish you could just choose the languages (with random option)
| on one screen and translate them all at same time with end result
| instead clicking through.
| dkarl wrote:
| "Your mother is a lovely human being." -> "Your mother is a good
| person."
|
| Not bad. I like the idea that this one translates pretty easily
| between many languages.
| mnorris wrote:
| I used this to create a short poem after I noticed that all of
| the imperfections of translation accumulate across translations
| but the output was thematically similar to the input.
|
| The odd-numbered lines are sentences I wrote, and the even-
| numbered lines are sentences from the model. Then I came up with
| a sentence that would continue the previous sentence.
|
| input: Nothing can break my spirit;
|
| output: I couldn't do anything
|
| input: Because I was lifeless.
|
| output: Why don't you live?
|
| input: Enter into eternal communion with the human species;
|
| output: Forever with such a person.
|
| input: I am the link between my ancestors and my descendants,
|
| output: I am a good relationship between my visitors and
| disregard.
| ant6n wrote:
| "To repair the joint, one has to oil the ball bearings" -> "To
| the spherical tank must be oil to restore the connection"
| missedthecue wrote:
| I wonder what would happen if you separately hired ten
| professional translators and fed them an example sentence until
| you got it back in English.
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