[HN Gopher] A New Map of All the Particles and Forces (2020)
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A New Map of All the Particles and Forces (2020)
Author : frutiger
Score : 31 points
Date : 2022-04-16 20:26 UTC (2 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.quantamagazine.org)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.quantamagazine.org)
| PaulHoule wrote:
| What I like of the right-hand, left-hand split is that it
| emphasizes the mystery of neutrinos.
|
| We know neutrinos have a mass, we don't know how much. We don't
| know how to incorporate the neutrino mass into standard model.
| Other fermions come in left-handed and right-handed forms but we
| only see left-handed neutrinos.
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| One idea is that right-handed neutrinos do exist but are highly
| elusive. In fact they are a good answer to the dark matter and
| other physics mysteries
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| https://arxiv.org/abs/1303.6912v3
| ncmncm wrote:
| That the total mass of neutrinos is commensurate with / exceeds
| all the hadronic mass is rarely mentioned. With so many
| interactions emitting neutrinos, does everything end up as
| neutrinos, finally (neglecting expansion)? Or does something
| consume neutrinos and yield net hadronic stuff?
| PaulHoule wrote:
| Particles like protons and electrons can never turn entirely
| to neutrinos because electric charge is conserved. Protons
| and bound neutrons seem to be the only stable configuration
| of quarks & gluons, ultimately there is quark charge that is
| conserved that prevents quarks from going away unless protons
| really do decay... which would have to happen at a very low
| rate if it does.
| est31 wrote:
| The article is two years old, and one of the links, the one
| pointing to https://www.cpepweb.org/cpep_sm_large.html is already
| dead.
|
| Thankfully the internet archive has a backup:
| http://web.archive.org/web/20200521151158/https://www.cpepwe...
| tejohnso wrote:
| Is this model actually taught in high schools at this point?
|
| I remember being taught about electrons with their valence
| shells, protons, and neutrons. That's it. I didn't hear about a
| boson or a neutrino until well into adulthood.
| bsedlm wrote:
| why is the absolute overwhelming majority of stuff in the
| universe (and 100% of things outside of special lab settings)
| made up from 1st generation matter?
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| why is it that all stuff made from charm, strange, top, and
| bottom, quarks decays right away?
| green_on_black wrote:
| why are there generations at all? why 3?
| ncmncm wrote:
| Might we just not wield enough energy to evoke a 4th
| generation?
| PaulHoule wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_(particle_physics)
| #...
| frutiger wrote:
| > why is the absolute overwhelming majority of stuff in the
| universe (and 100% of things outside of special lab settings)
| made up from 1st generation matter?
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| The first generation have the lowest mass, and there are
| interactions between generations. Since physical systems like
| to explore the local energy space and find the lowest one, it
| follows that more energetic systems will quickly stabilize to
| lower energy configurations.
|
| You might rightfully have two follow up questions at this
| point:
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| 1. Why do the first generation fermions have the lowest mass?
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| 2. Why do physical systems like to find the lowest energy
| configuration?
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| I don't believe anyone has the answers to those - so far as we
| can tell this is just the way the universe is. Maybe some day
| someone will figure out why.
| ncmncm wrote:
| Does thermodynamics not suffice for (2)? Or does that just
| restate the question, somehow?
|
| I learned many things about the SM from this presentation I
| had never before retained.
|
| Wondering now to what degree string theory seems to exactly
| require all of this, vs. merely be apparently compatible with
| it, insofar as it can be "solved" at all. Where it is too
| hard, maybe it is not known whether certain SM features are
| compatible, and everyone just hopes?
| PaulHoule wrote:
| By thermodynamics: energy is conserved globally so when a
| protein molecule relaxes to a minimum energy configuration
| the energy gets transferred from the protein molecule to
| its environment. Total energy stays the same but it is more
| spread out. There are dramatically more possible ways the
| energy could be spread out than be bunched together: so if
| it starts out in a bunched out state it will spread out
| unless there is something, usually a "conserved quantity"
| or quantum number that makes it impossible for the state to
| roam randomly across the phase space.
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