[HN Gopher] Seashore: Easy to use Mac OS X image editing applica...
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Seashore: Easy to use Mac OS X image editing application for the
rest of us
Author : tosh
Score : 92 points
Date : 2022-04-16 13:05 UTC (9 hours ago)
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| peterburkimsher wrote:
| GraphicConverter is the traditional image editor for Mac (since
| System 7, I believe).
|
| It's got all the basic functionality like transparencies, and is
| highly scriptable.
|
| Although I never did get around to paying to remove the 30-second
| startup delay, I am a happy user. Maybe I should pay for it now I
| can afford it!
| itslennysfault wrote:
| Why?
|
| This is not meant to be mean. I really want to know. Gimp is
| honestly great. Coming from Photoshop the UI is a bit confusing
| at times, but once you figure it out it's a great piece of
| software.
|
| To me, Seashore (I haven't downloaded it... just looked at docs)
| is just Gimp with less features. Am I missing something?
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| GTK apps feel pretty clunky under macOS, with GIMP feeling
| moreso than other GTK apps with its various oddball UI patterns
| that don't even fit in with a GTK Linux desktop (like its layer
| palette with what looks like a standard list view but behaves
| nothing like a standard list view). It also doesn't handle
| multiple monitors well (alerts popping up on a different screen
| than the document window is on). In summary, it's pretty
| unpolished option among image editors that run on macOS.
|
| Also, GIMP isn't the most lightweight of software out there...
| it can be overkill depending on needs.
| mrtksn wrote:
| I'm still missing MS Paint. MS Paint is unmatched on
| intuitiveness and simplicity.
|
| This App is nice but the moment I launched it, it started forcing
| me make decisions: I had to decide how large the canvas should
| be. I don't know? Let me see the default so I can decide if I
| want it bigger or smaller.
|
| When I move my cursor over the canvas, it indicates that I am
| doing something wrong("forbidden" icon next to the cursor). Why
| don't you first give me the tool that can do something on that
| canvas so that I can get my feet wet?
|
| I'm sure when I learn the app a bit I will see how simple and
| powerful it is but with MS Paint everything makes sense
| immediately, it's just the pinnacle of intuitive image editing.
|
| I think macOS needs an image editor that aims for the simplicity
| of MS Paint. The professional stuff is out there and it's really
| good but we still don't have an app for stitching a few random
| images together and put a text on top as easy as with MS Paint.
| Preview can do it, Preview is actually very powerful and can do
| amazing things with PDF and such but it's total pain in the ass
| to use it to edit something.
| gardaani wrote:
| Have a look at https://jspaint.app/
|
| They have a GitHub page, which says that an Electron app is on
| its way.
| mrtksn wrote:
| Ah the very old MS Paint :)
| beamatronic wrote:
| When I used Windows, The two indispensable apps that I used
| every day were Notepad and Paint. Notepad was great if you
| wanted to copy and paste some text and strip out all of the
| formatting quickly. And MS paint was great for quickly
| annotating a screenshot. Today I use Skitch and Sublime Text on
| Mac to accomplish the same goals.
| 1123581321 wrote:
| Check out Paintbrush for Mac.
| mrtksn wrote:
| I have it, unfortunately it's nowhere nearly as usable as MS
| Paint. For example, you can't drag and drop an image into the
| canvas.
| Veen wrote:
| Acorn, maybe? That's what I use for quick edits when I
| can't be bothered with a more complicated image editor.
|
| https://flyingmeat.com/acorn/
| mrtksn wrote:
| I didn't know about Acorn, it looks pretty good. So far I
| really like the UI. It's not like MS Paint but
| lightweight Photoshop, which is also good for quick
| editing.
|
| Thanks! Though, it's bit on the pricey side of the scale
| for an occasional usage.
| ghaff wrote:
| I have Photoshop because it comes along for the ride with
| Lightroom but there are a fair number of times when I want
| simple cropping or resizing and/or maybe one or two very basic
| operations. For things like that, pulling out Photoshop feels
| like pulling out a shotgun to swat a fly in that not only is it
| massive overkill but it's not even a good tool for the job.
| mrtksn wrote:
| I know right? For cropping/rotating I would often airdrop the
| image to my iPhone, crop and rotate there and airdrop it back
| to my mac. Sure, there's the Photos app that can do that just
| like on iPhone but it complicates the library management with
| importing and exporting.
| [deleted]
| Tagbert wrote:
| As saagarjha mentioned, you can use Preview for that. Just
| open the image in Preview and you can crop, rotate and
| adjust color of an image. You can also export to different
| file format.
|
| You can also rotate directly in the Finder. Right-click on
| an image, chose Quick Actions and then choose Rotate Left.
| reaperducer wrote:
| _Just open the image in Preview and you can crop, rotate
| and adjust color of an image_
|
| If you only need to rotate, you can rotate any image or
| video file right from the Finder by pressing Command-R.
| No need to even open a program.
| mrtksn wrote:
| I know I can use Preview but it's very annoying.
| Everything is behind a menu and it is counterintuitive
| and slow.
|
| The Finder rotate does only 90 degrees and doesn't do
| cropping.
| Tagbert wrote:
| I wouldn't use Preview as a primary editor but a lot of
| edits are simple rotate from portrait to landscape, crop
| out the boring parts, or adjust the exposure and Preview
| is a quick way to do that for a few photos. If you need
| to do more in depth changes or for more images, I would
| use one of the photo editing apps. My own favorite is
| Affinity Photo.
| saagarjha wrote:
| Does Preview fit the bill? You can crop, resize, rotate, and
| add basic annotations to images with it.
| ghaff wrote:
| I don't think I realized you can crop with Preview. Yes,
| that's pretty much what I was looking for. (I think the
| issue is that it's basically hidden behind the selection
| tool.)
| kmlx wrote:
| a lot of great functionality is built-in but also hidden
| behind menus or have strange names on mac.
| ajmurmann wrote:
| Would you pay for an MS Paint equivalent on macOS? If so, how
| much? How much oi it was annually?
| mrtksn wrote:
| 4.99$ or 9.99$ one time fee or 1.99$ a year feels about right
| for me. I would prefer the one time fee because I don't
| expect it getting regular updates(I'm fine with paying again
| for large version updates. I'm already paying for iStat
| Menus, Affinity Designer, BetterTouchTools and they all work
| with this business model). It is a utility that I would use
| every now and then, so subscription feels wrong.
| beamatronic wrote:
| If it is literally exactly the same thing, I would pay $50
| one time for sure.
| 1123581321 wrote:
| There are a bunch of these already. They're either free or
| $5-20 one time. Discovery/marketing will be your challenge
| with this.
| mrtksn wrote:
| There are no alternatives that nailed it. I think if the OP
| successfully crates something on par with MS Paint it can
| spread by word of mouth because there's no good answer for
| the question of "how do you put these two images next to
| each other and add a text on top of it".
| lostgame wrote:
| Annually? Eww.
| happymellon wrote:
| I feel the same with Gitkraken. There has literally been
| nothing added to it since the first release that I would
| pay for, but as a subscription they _have_ to tweek it.
|
| $20 one time is all I need. I think Jetbrains has the best
| model for this.
| einherjae wrote:
| 5-10 USD one time sounds fair, annual sounds like a big nope.
| throwmeariver1 wrote:
| MS Paints was neither simple nor intuitive it was easy to use
| and with the ease of use came a lot of bad habits and with the
| habits bad jpgs, giant tifs with 256 colors and the list goes
| on and on. MS Paint is and was a menace.
| mrtksn wrote:
| Okay, how do you put 3 images next to each other and add a
| text on top of it on a Mac?
|
| Let's say you are creating some variation of this meme:
| https://imgflip.com/memegenerator/American-Chopper-Argument
| beamatronic wrote:
| I do this very frequently on Mac. Here's how I do it. I
| paste all the images into Microsoft Word. You can paste
| anything into Microsoft Word. Then I take a screenshot and
| then I annotate it with Skitch.
| mrtksn wrote:
| Well, I don't have MS Word, I don't use it enough to pay
| for it. I also would like to do some small changes to the
| images(maybe laser eyes? maybe draw some lines to
| emphasise an emotion?).
|
| I also recall Word being not very easy with alignments.
| reaperducer wrote:
| _Well, I don 't have MS Word, I don't use it enough to
| pay for it._
|
| So use Pages. It came with your Mac.
|
| _I also would like to do some small changes to the
| images(maybe laser eyes? maybe draw some lines to
| emphasise an emotion?)._
|
| Preview. It also came with your Mac.
| mrtksn wrote:
| I can do it on Preview if I try hard enough, the idea is
| that it shouldn't be a hassle.
|
| If you look at my original post, I say that Preview is
| very powerful but hard to use.
| beamatronic wrote:
| You could also use LibreOffice or Google Docs. I just
| meant that for my use-case (arranging images, plain text
| log files, syntax-colored code, and tables together in
| one place, quickly) prior to final annotation (big red
| arrows connecting the dots)
| WoodenChair wrote:
| You can do all of that in Preview. Preview has built-in
| editing tools including shapes, text, and more.
| throwmeariver1 wrote:
| How does solving a random task make the software good? As I
| said it's easy to use but it's bad software. It's non
| conformant to nearly all standards the encoders are decades
| old... it's bad AND not maintained. Even Microsoft knows it
| that's why it's EOL.
| recuter wrote:
| It is actually built into the OS: +shift+4.
| submeta wrote:
| I am using Acorn. Nice little app.
| alwillis wrote:
| +1 for Acorn.
| morganvachon wrote:
| Acorn is probably the closest we'll get to a native macOS app
| that is analogous to Paint.NET from the Windows world, and it's
| worth the money if one is a Paint.NET cult member. Pinta (open
| source Paint.NET clone) is available for Macs but it's just as
| buggy as it is on Linux.
| chrisseaton wrote:
| Huh they made Paint.NET closed source - what a strange
| backwards step.
| tomcam wrote:
| Would you consider it strange if it were your project and
| after years of life in open source and being used by
| millions it didn't pay the bills?
| chrisseaton wrote:
| I think you're confused - it's free.
| protomyth wrote:
| It's low ceremony: load image, makes some changes, save, done.
| Most other image editing apps take too long and almost force
| you to save in their format. Acorn has its own format when you
| are actually making a project of it.
| torstenvl wrote:
| I tried Seashore a few years ago but it was completely unstable.
| The link says they've done a lot of bug fixes to make it work on
| more recent macOS releases so I'm looking forward to checking it
| out.
|
| EDIT: Downloaded and tried it. Glad that the UI is simpler than
| Gimp but it's actually _less_ obvious how to use it. Sad, because
| I think there 's real promise here. Hopefully Glimpse comes to
| macOS.
| bj-rn wrote:
| Didn't know Glimpse, looked it up and unfortunately the project
| is "on hiatus": https://glimpse-editor.org/posts/a-project-on-
| hiatus/
| bogwog wrote:
| Wasn't the whole point of that fork just to change the
| name/branding because some people thought the acronym "GIMP"
| was offensive?
|
| Not surprised that it's dead now.
| skoskie wrote:
| Same, but if I'm being honest, I won't check it out. There's so
| much competition in this space that I don't need to.
|
| I paid for Pixelmator Pro recently because I needed to do a
| repetitive task. It comes with several useful Automator actions
| that were exactly what I needed.
|
| Plus it's new ML features are great. I used it to enlarge a jpg
| 4x with no loss in resolution. It's not always perfect, but
| it's pretty damn good.
|
| I love FOSS and wish Seashore success, but past experience plus
| healthy competition means I don't feel the need to.
| thow_away_soon wrote:
| I would like something like this for linux, any recommendations?
| I usually run some Image Magick command or open Krita simple
| editing, and it feels like overkill. I thought about configuring
| imv[0] to have some common editing features, but didn't take the
| time yet.
|
| [0]: https://sr.ht/~exec64/imv/
| goosedragons wrote:
| Pinta or KolourPaint maybe?
| phaunus wrote:
| wow, nice work! i'm wondering nowadays what's a good resource to
| start learning objective-c?
|
| i kind of would prefer it instead of using swift if anybody can
| point out curated resources, that would be wicked! i have an idea
| to learn a bit of smalltalk to grasp the main concepts before.
| ramosu wrote:
| I'll stick with www.photopea.com
| paudorcaoliver wrote:
| paudorcaoliver wrote:
| slaytorson wrote:
| I still miss Adobe Fireworks. Easy and enough features to get the
| job done quickly.
| themodelplumber wrote:
| Fireworks was awesome. When I need that kind of experience
| these days, especially the smooth vector-pixel crossover
| aspect, I use Real-DRAW PRO in Wine.
|
| https://mediachance.com/realdraw/ ($25)
| kristiandupont wrote:
| I was somewhat of a power user of Photoshop which I pirated
| throughout my youth. When I grew too old for that sort of thing,
| it seems that my need for editing images just kind of
| disappeared. I am not sure why, really.
|
| Every now and then, I need to edit some image though. I tried
| using Gimp a number of times but it always rubbed me the wrong
| way. Paint.net was fine on Windows though it felt a bit limited
| (at the time. I am sure it's great now). However, when I
| discovered https://www.photopea.com/ I felt straight at home. It
| runs in the browser and it's free. Amazing! I still don't use it
| often but when I do, I love it.
| Tagbert wrote:
| I wanted to like Gimp but could never get over the UI. I found
| Affinity Photo and that has been fantastic.
| anonymousab wrote:
| > I tried using Gimp a number of times but it always rubbed me
| the wrong way
|
| Same here. For a while, I thought it was just my over-
| familiarity and reliance on Photoshop and mspaint. And to some
| extent, it certainly was, and is.
|
| But over time, I eventually tried out Affinity, Krita,
| Pixelmator, photopea, and a few others. And they just worked;
| the UI just felt "right". The icons, shortcuts and menu and
| window layouts made sense and were intuitive even for the tools
| I hadn't used before.
|
| So I've wrapped back around to thinking, nah, maybe GIMP's UX
| direction is just plain bad. Or bad for me, at least. It could
| be the case of some things having become a de facto standard
| that GIMP willfully eschews, but I have tried to go pure GIMP
| for long stretches and always walk away with a unique sense of
| pure frustration.
| vladstudio wrote:
| I sincerely recommended Pixelmator Pro to anyone for image
| editing on Mac. if you are coming from Photoshop, some parts of
| interface will make you puzzled, but if you free you're mind, got
| will enjoy it greatly.
| user3939382 wrote:
| Unfortunately with Adobe I'm a victim of a self-imposed sunk
| cost fallacy. Even though Adobe drains my bank account every
| month for $20 I can't throw away 20 years of practice and
| muscle memory on Illustrator and Photoshop.
| Tagbert wrote:
| If you are into the Photoshop experience, you might want to
| look at Affinity Photo. It is modeled after photoshop and the
| price is a very reasonable one time fee. You will have a
| little bit of a learning curve as it is not identical to PS
| but it is much closer than any other photo editor.
| mabedan wrote:
| Why through away? stop for 1 month, try out Pixelmator. If
| you don't like it, go back. It's cheap.
| salmo wrote:
| I haven't enjoyed an image editor as much since Photoshop 5 in
| the 90s. Both the old Pixelmator and Pixelmator Pro have been
| commercial software I really felt like I needed and want to
| buy.
|
| It feels modern and natural on macos. It's pretty
| sophisticated, but the feature set I use is easily within reach
| and it's intuitive to me. Modern Photoshop is an awkward
| behemoth. The GIMP has always been functional but painful.
|
| The newer stuff like workspaces for different types of editing
| seemed odd, but I do flip between the illustration layout and
| photo layout and enjoy that.
|
| I like the price for the software. It feels very reasonable to
| me and brings me back to the feeling of supporting developers'
| work.
|
| Adobe is so expensive and invasive. It just feels abusive. I
| also pay for Omnigraffle, but it's high enough it feels like a
| burden vs supporting developers.
|
| I am not a professional and just use it occasionally for
| design, documents, and personal photos. I thought I'd share
| that, since it colors my view.
| eric4smith wrote:
| Yup. Pixelmator pro is my go-to image editor. Right after
| Preview.
| kemenaran wrote:
| I was expecting someone to post a comment along the lines of
| "Pixelmator is great for picture editing on macOS"; it is one
| of the best Mac editors.
|
| But I'm also delighted to see your username pop up :) I used
| quite a few of your wallpapers back in 2002, when I was making
| desktop customization packs for Windows XP, and I have fond
| memories of them.
| vladstudio wrote:
| thank you very much :-) those were the times!
| recuter wrote:
| Goddamn what a small world, thanks for the memories Vlady.
| I was just a wee lad when I found your stuff way back.
| vladstudio wrote:
| I'm still drawing and publishing :-) although not as
| often, I must admit. Btw I do draw in Pixelmator Pro now,
| it fits my drawing habits really well.
| wildrhythms wrote:
| Vlad your work circa ~2006 inspired me to go to design
| school (which I failed out of and went into computer
| science instead haha). So thank you :)
| vault wrote:
| I'm glad I've discovered you and your artwork thanks to
| these comments :)
| callmeal wrote:
| Affinity Photo is another good option.
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