[HN Gopher] Tokyo's Manuscript Writing Cafe won't let writers le...
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Tokyo's Manuscript Writing Cafe won't let writers leave until they
are finished
Author : mellosouls
Score : 159 points
Date : 2022-04-13 09:32 UTC (1 days ago)
(HTM) web link (grapee.jp)
(TXT) w3m dump (grapee.jp)
| nabla9 wrote:
| Douglas Adams would have loved this. His editor put him into
| motel with a typewriter and sat next to him until he finished.
|
| _" I love deadlines. I love the whooshing noise they make as
| they go by"_ - Douglas Adams
| lucisferre wrote:
| The coding cafe version.
|
| 1. Upon entering you must write and demonstrate one failing test
|
| 2. The manager asks you if you want someone to pair program with
| you
|
| 3. You are not allowed to leave until the test is passing
| bad_alloc wrote:
| The test:
|
| bool halts(function) { // todo: do not halt if function halts,
| halt otherwise. }
|
| assert(halts(halts));
| markus_zhang wrote:
| On a similar line, I kinda think prison is a good place for deep
| learn and work if the environment is safe and one is allowed to
| bring books and equipment in.
| Jtsummers wrote:
| You don't need a prison, many kinds of retreats (not just
| religious or spiritual, but artists and writers retreats and
| others) often are "tech-free" (which may be partial or total,
| though usually at least _internet_ free). Just getting away
| from the firehose for a couple days can be very effective for
| resetting your relationship with the internet and its ability
| to distract for a while.
| wolpoli wrote:
| This Cafe uses traditional waterfall framework with fixed scope
| but flexible timeline. I will be opening an agile writing
| environment with time-boxed duration. There will be all your
| favorite ceremonies such as Sprint Planning, Daily Scrum, Sprint
| Review, and Sprint Retrospectives.
| nonrandomstring wrote:
| Fascinating. Terrifying. Alluring. I may need this service some
| day.
| karaterobot wrote:
| > 1. Upon entering the store, write down at the reception desk
| how many words and by what time you are going to write your
| manuscript.
|
| > 2. The manager asks you every hour how your manuscript is
| coming along.
|
| > 3. You are not allowed to leave the store until you have
| finished writing your manuscript or writing project.
|
| Sounds like a cute idea. I wonder what would happen if you
| decided you wanted to leave before finishing. Do they berate you?
| Do you lose a deposit? I imagine you can't hold customers hostage
| or trap them in your cafe if they actually want to go.
| warning26 wrote:
| The article notes you can choose your level of PRESSURE when
| you sign in -- perhaps trying to leave with a higher level of
| pressure selected would get you angrily berated, while at the
| lower levels you'd just get a mild chiding.
| EGreg wrote:
| What's the highest level look like? Maybe chained to the desk
| or sumo wrestler blocking the doorway?
| trinovantes wrote:
| I think that only happens in Anime e.g. Shirobako
|
| In real life that should count as kidnapping
| leeoniya wrote:
| "Keep writing, you worthless maggot!"
| LoveMortuus wrote:
| _Says a cute 12 years old girl who claims to be 300
| because she 's actually a vampire_
| atoav wrote:
| I mean it is japan. If we go with the cliche, it would be hard
| to find any japanese writer who would choose social
| emberassment over actually doing the job. Especially if they
| chose to buy into this thing themselves.
| grapeskin wrote:
| Nah, people will just sternly say "I need to leave" and go.
| They're not ants.
| stocknoob wrote:
| You might have missed it, the cafe is at the back of a sumo
| arena.
| dfxm12 wrote:
| _Do they berate you?_
|
| Would love to know the interview/training/standard operating
| procedure for this position.
| echelon wrote:
| Hold a deposit. You can break the glass if you really need to
| make an exit, but make it painful.
| klenwell wrote:
| Great example of a commitment device:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commitment_device
|
| I like the idea of losing a deposit.
| teraflop wrote:
| Yeah, according to the cafe's website, they don't physically
| stop you from leaving. In fact, one of the FAQs specifically
| says that you can leave temporarily if you need to. It's just
| that they won't allow you to pay your tab unless you've reached
| your goal.
|
| As others have said, it's about the social pressure. I doubt
| the question of "can we legally enforce this rule" was a major
| concern.
| endisneigh wrote:
| Not a bad idea for a small tractable set of discrete tasks to be
| completed.
| victorclf wrote:
| Very refreshing to see this innovative idea after all the daily
| politics/apocalyptic news here.
| elliotpage wrote:
| You see this kind of thing with Manga Authors too, except in
| those cases the authors editor comes to their residence and
| stares daggers at them until the manuscript is ready.
|
| That being said the most often place I have seen this is within
| manga itself, so this maybe the incidence rate is actually low
| and the authors who draw this into their series are either
| traumatised or just passing along a story!
| _just7_ wrote:
| Has anyone else had any luck with creating artificial
| accountability? Kind of miss the days where I had to show my
| progress to someone, be that my teacher or parents
| ars wrote:
| There's a startup that did this, they posted on here about it,
| but I can't seem to remember how to find them.
|
| Found this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20220288 but
| they don't seem to have survived.
| SamoyedFurFluff wrote:
| Coworking sessions are great ime. People come in with some
| project they want to work on for the next 2 hours and every 30
| or 45 minutes the host checks in on everyone and everyone says
| what they did or didn't accomplish, everyone does a little yay
| to every accomplishment even small ones each check in so it's
| all dopamine. I've seen this model successful in multiple
| definitions of craft (writing, coding, painting etc)
| post_break wrote:
| Use a laptop, leave the charger at home. Get your work done
| before the battery dies. Depending on the computer this could
| be stress inducing or no big deal.
| jaqalopes wrote:
| I'm working on a book and I drafted a number of friends as
| "alpha readers" to whom I send every chapter when it's done.
| While I'm not on a strict deadline, the desire to demonstrate
| to them that I'm "still making progress" has been massively
| helpful.
| mellosouls wrote:
| There are a few low-cost services that have been mentioned on
| here before that provide the accountability thing, eg
| Focusmate, Boss As A Service, etc
| iooi wrote:
| There's gyms that charge you more the less you show up.
| breakfastduck wrote:
| So basically simulating the environment of sitting in a
| university library all day until you have to submit a piece of
| work at midnight, while 100 other people all sit and do the same
| around you.
|
| Very good idea. Works like a charm.
| sharkweek wrote:
| I miss those nights of social studying at the library on
| campus. The mood was stressful sometimes near finals but it was
| kept light enough with breaks to get coffee and snacks with
| friends, was a good time in life.
| TecoAndJix wrote:
| Few bonds are as strong as shared misery!
| chrischen wrote:
| I think it's more like simulating a work environment where s
| helicopter boss is checking on you constantly.
| n4bz0r wrote:
| How about a work environment with... _BOSS HELICOPTER_?
|
| https://i.ytimg.com/vi/tHBOcN_2Fp8/maxresdefault.jpg
| rubyist5eva wrote:
| Honestly, I could see this working really well for lots of things
| which require deep focus. Even for programming without external
| distractions part of me thinks this would be absolutely
| wonderful.
| drcode wrote:
| The article suggests that the term "writing" is used in the
| broadest way possible, including image editing, etc
| MrLeap wrote:
| This post fills my heart with joy. What a grand idea.
|
| I'm making a creative writing game. It's been a goal channel
| whatever techniques I can, even dark patterns, to help people be
| more prolific writers.
|
| Glad to see the real world is getting weird with that goal in
| mind too.
| markdestouches wrote:
| I wish G.R.R.M paid a visit there
| dr_dshiv wrote:
| Sign me up!
| shakezula wrote:
| Would unironically love a version of this in my city. I would
| probably use it a lot. My adhd would benefit greatly from a
| strangers disappointed looks.
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