[HN Gopher] Linux Hardware Database
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Linux Hardware Database
Author : auraham
Score : 86 points
Date : 2022-04-13 13:20 UTC (9 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (linux-hardware.org)
(TXT) w3m dump (linux-hardware.org)
| peterfield wrote:
| Great tool - it even shaved 4 years of my thinkpad :)
| https://i.imgur.com/HdRVr5i.png
| freedomben wrote:
| If you're in the market for a Linux computer, this is a great
| resource for making sure your hardware is compatible.
|
| If you're already running Linux, this is a super easy way to
| contribute info about the hardware you have to help others [1].
| For many distros it's already in the repos. For example Fedora:
| sudo dnf install -y hw-probe
|
| Run the hardware probe/report and store it locally in
| `/root/HW_PROBE/LATEST/hw.info/` (no upload)
| sudo -E hw-probe -all
|
| Run the hardware probe/report and upload it (uses privacy
| preserving techniques)[2]: sudo -E hw-probe
| -all -upload
|
| [1]: https://linux-hardware.org/?view=howto
|
| [2]: https://linux-hardware.org/?view=howto See section "Privacy"
| aidenn0 wrote:
| TIL dnf has replaced yum, which replaced urpmi, which wrapped
| rpm.
|
| I swear, every time I use a RPM based distro, there is a new
| package manager.
| 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
| https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-3.
| ..
|
| > While during these crazy times it feels like Fedora
| transitioned from Yum to DNF yesterday, it's already been a
| half-decade since the DNF package manager has been the
| default on Fedora. Next year with Fedora 38 they are looking
| at further evolving package management by way of MicroDNF.
|
| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/MajorUpgradeOfMicrodn.
| ..
| protomikron wrote:
| To be fair, dnf replaced yum for quite some time now. However
| yum is still recognized as a command (but symlinks to dnf).
| Georgelemental wrote:
| DNF is itself being replaced: https://fedoraproject.org/wik
| i/Changes/MajorUpgradeOfMicrodn...
| buscoquadnary wrote:
| Thanks for the advice, just uploaded stats on my Ubuntu 20.04
| machine.
| LukeShu wrote:
| If you're a nutjob like me who runs Linux-libre instead of the
| normal Linux kernel, you'll be interested in checking the h-node
| database. https://www.h-node.org/
| josteink wrote:
| I see OpenWRT not listed as an available distro.
|
| That's going to quite significantly limit the amount of available
| HW, no?
|
| Is that intentional? If so, why?
| mdp2021 wrote:
| It's amazing. Level of gratefulness up to the stars.
|
| Would not the "Find computer" tables benefit from a column
| "OS/Kernel" near the "Probes", especially when the probe is just
| one? If you want to check how an OS or a kernel fares with a
| model, you would not want to open them all.
| teddyh wrote:
| There used to be a site at https://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ which
| simply took the output from "lspci -n" and gave you a list of
| what the names of kernel modules were to load to support that
| hardware, together, IIRC, with what version of Linux was
| required. The site was full of user-contributed data from all
| sorts of devices which you could browse. Sadly, the page no
| longer exists.
| merlinscholz wrote:
| Why would you test all Ubuntu desktop environments separate?
| Shouldn't the hardware support be the same?
|
| Shouldn't the hardware support be the same in a given kernel
| version?
| jeroenhd wrote:
| I've had instability issues with specific GNOME or KDE releases
| in combination with certain drivers (notably, you guessed it,
| written by NVIDIA) so at least Ubuntu vs Kubuntu matters. My
| laptop's touchpad only supports proper gestures with Wayland,
| which means disabling the NVIDIA drivers (or waiting for the
| next holy grail of GPU drivers, the current ones aren't the
| promised holy grail yet on laptops) is required for me to get
| the touchpad working. Because I value the ability to attach an
| external screen, I've instead switched back to X11, which means
| no gestures and therefore only partial touchpad functionality.
|
| I don't know how much the other versions of Ubuntu differ, they
| all seem relatively minimal in comparison.
| noselasd wrote:
| While kernel support is the first step, userland applications
| need to take advantage of the hardware for it to be useful.
|
| e.g desktop envoronments need to care for how it interacts with
| touchpads, you want your wireless interface to actually be
| configurable. You want sane handling of which audio device is
| the default, and you'd want recognicable names to select them.
| The list goes on for another mile.
| kgeist wrote:
| Russian is the second most popular language and the majority of
| top cities are in Russia. I wonder whether it reflects the real
| situation or the site is somewhat biased towards Russia for some
| reason.
| michaelmrose wrote:
| Well either Linux is incredibly popular in Russia or ROSA
| desktop a Russian distro is almost certainly over represented
| at 8.6% share. It might do to check if anyone installs hw-probe
| by default or promotes it to its user base.
| bombcar wrote:
| Sounds like ROSA probably includes it by default; maybe with
| a "send your hardware stats in" button.
|
| I think I've seen something like that with Ubuntu but I
| assume it would go to Canonical only.
| jeffbee wrote:
| The selection bias here must be pretty intense, if they are
| showing Apple with a 10% share of the install base and the
| MacBook Core 2 Duo from 2006 as the most common model.
| mhitza wrote:
| If you look at the bottom graph on this page https://linux-
| hardware.org/?view=cpu_family interestingly Core 2 Duo doubled
| in data representation solely this year.
| jeffbee wrote:
| Wacky. It's great that Linux extends the useful life of such
| machines, though.
| optymizer wrote:
| I clicked around a bit, but can't understand how would this
| inform my decision of purchasing a part that's compatible with
| Linux.
|
| Say I search for a laptop graphics card model and find that 4000
| people are using it in their builds. That only tells me that it's
| minimally functional, not that it actually works at full
| features.
|
| For example, it could be the that the video drivers for that card
| don't support[ 3d acceleration for Linux and people are just fine
| without it because they don't play games anyway. This info is
| missing.
|
| Basically, I'd think a qualitative approach would be more useful
| than quantitative approach. I want to know that the thing I buy
| is going to work properly, not that I was suckered into buying
| something along with 1000 other people.
|
| To give a real example this time, the Wi-Fi card I bought works
| fine under Windows, but the Broadcom drivers available in the
| Ubuntu distro didn't work properly at the time, so I had to go
| the old route of finding drivers that worked and then recompile
| the kernel modules on every kernel update. It got rather annoying
| fast. Linux Hardware Database would mark me as a user of this
| card (which would be correct), but it falsely implies that it's
| worth buying, which I think it isn't.
| bombcar wrote:
| I see some little (i) on "works" on some of mine from my
| report, so perhaps it's more for negative reporting about
| things that don't work well? Who knows; you never find out
| about all the issues with any hardware until after you buy it.
| auraham wrote:
| I have seen those (i) too on WiFi cards. After checking it, I
| think it means that such WiFi cards only work with some
| distros. For example [1], it does not work with Ubuntu 20.04
| but it does work with Ubuntu 21.04.
|
| [1] http://linux-hardware.org/?id=pci:8086-2725-8086-0024
| bombcar wrote:
| Distros losing support for hardware makes me sad.
| arein3 wrote:
| Good point, when planning to run linux on a laptop better get a
| one with an amd gpu and intel wifi (or ethernet)
|
| Although that combination seems strange, because seems like an
| intel wifi chip would be present only on an intel cpu
| motherboard, and intel cpus are usually paired with nvidia gpu
|
| Is there a wifi chip with good drivers for amd laptops?
| awinter-py wrote:
| data collection yes, but there's also a need to crowdfund
| hardware support
|
| this affects oss wifi router OSes, linux on laptops +
| chromebooks, cell phones, gadgetbridge for fitness trackers,
| probably many iot devices
|
| in the chromebook linux space gallium seems to have lost momentum
| (the most recent device with full support is from 2018, or 2017
| from a well known manufacturer). if you want to run linux on a
| pixelbook there are stale forks of stale repos, but like 'alsa
| doesn't work yet' and support doesn't get merged to the kernel
|
| committers are always complaining 'we don't have test hardware
| for this device' (and also they're uncompensated)
|
| we should as a community find a way to fund this work. can be
| hardware donations, paying competent volunteers, and eventually
| working with hardware vendors directly to answer questions / do
| signed firmware builds if necessary
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