[HN Gopher] On the Idea of an Adirondack Mountains National Park
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On the Idea of an Adirondack Mountains National Park
Author : rntn
Score : 40 points
Date : 2022-04-09 08:08 UTC (1 days ago)
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| Spooky23 wrote:
| I think New York has done something unique and positive with the
| Adirondack Park, but I could see how this strategy would make
| sense in the mid 60s.
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| At that time, New York was projecting 30-35M residents by 2000.
| They were planning for industry expansion in big centers like
| Buffalo, Utica, Syracuse, etc. They didn't see the post-Vietnam
| nadir and the policy changes driving migration of industry to the
| South and eventually Mexico and China coming.
|
| Making the Central Adirondacks a Federal problem would ease the
| ability to keep the timber, paper, iron mining and downstream
| steel industries vital on the periphery. Those industries were
| the backbone of the Lake Champlain corridor including canals,
| railroads, etc. (ie lots of jobs) With the hydroelectric
| potential of the St Lawrence and easy to exploit hydroelectricity
| in Quebec, there was a lot of potential for development.
|
| Reality wasn't in alignment with that vision, and ultimately what
| happened was probably for the better. The Adirondacks are
| depopulating and becoming a worse place to live, but the natural
| resources are protected.
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| Spooky23 wrote:
| It's hard to build and you're competing with big money
| people. As population drops, basic infrastructure (stores,
| schools) start to go away.
| rntn wrote:
| https://mountainlake.org/a-wild-idea-full-documentary/
| rntn wrote:
| The video seems to be no longer available online. The
| discussion about the way the Adirondack park system was created
| is well worth watching if the above program airs on your local
| PBS station..
|
| Below is an older 2 hour PBS documentary on the Adirondacks:
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| https://www.pbs.org/video/wned-tv-documentaries-adirondacks/
| ghaff wrote:
| Interestingly, a couple of the large state parks in the
| Northeast (Adirondack and Baxter) have arguably held the line
| on development more than national parks have in general. Not
| that there's a lot in the way of national parkland in the
| Northeast--although efforts are still underway in Maine in
| addition to the existing Acadia.
| rntn wrote:
| As someone who spends a lot of time in the mountains of
| western North Carolina, to the southeast of the Great
| Smokies National Park, I found this discussion on the
| possibility of creation of an Adirondack national park here
| really enlightening.
|
| I am very impressed with the achievements of the Adirondack
| Park Agency..
|
| In WNC, there are many national forests, which serve a lot
| of recreational activities, but also other uses :
|
| "National forests, on the other hand, emphasize not only
| resource preservation, but other kinds of use as well.
| Under this concept of "multiple use," national forests are
| managed to provide Americans with a wide variety of
| services and commodities, including lumber, cattle grazing,
| mineral products and recreation with and without vehicles.
| The national forests are managed by forest rangers with the
| US Forest Service (USFS) under the Department of
| Agriculture."
|
| https://www.nps.gov/grsm/planyourvisit/np-versus-nf.htm
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| The land that is truly wilderness, as the Adirondack Park
| Agency has achieved, even though the pressure of NYC is
| much more than the pressure of Atlanta, Charlotte,
| Knoxville, etc, is more than in the Great Smokies National
| Park.
| lianna-vba wrote:
| Then vice president Teddy Roosevelt was on a hiking trip in the
| Adirondacks when he received word that president McKinley had
| been assassinated. It's crazy how back then the VP could be so
| hard to track down. In fact, I believe the night FDR passed away
| VP Truman had ditched his secret service agents to head to the
| bar.
|
| https://www.adirondack.net/history/midnight-ride/
| ghaff wrote:
| More generally, the idea that people really _should_ be on the
| communications grid has been normalized in a lot of circles. I
| see a fair number of people, including here, rather
| uncomfortable about the fact that someone may not always be
| able to reach you or that you may not be able to call for help.
|
| (Of course, if you talk about government VIPs, satellite/staff
| mostly does provide an always on-call ability. And for others,
| there are increasingly reasonable satellite options available
| as well.)
| rntn wrote:
| Even in the eastern US, there are many remote areas where
| there is no communication coverage except for satellite.
|
| While I think a lot of people should be a lot more
| comfortable being out of communication range (and proper
| planning, packing emergency gear, spares, etc can greatly
| help), in recreational areas that are not so remote, the
| spread of low band 5G (basically extra 4G+ coverage) really
| makes the ability to work remotely (even more) valuable..
| ghaff wrote:
| > the spread of low band 5G
|
| Also StarLink. A couple of years ago I really wouldn't have
| been able to work from my dad's place in Downeast Maine.
| Now I could if not always reliably.
| WalterBright wrote:
| If I was prez, there'd be a lot more national parks. There'd also
| be "greenways" connecting them.
|
| I'd also make national parks out of sensitive marine areas, where
| no fishing or motorized boats would be allowed.
| ironrabbit wrote:
| Curious, are there benefits of greenway connections compared to
| allocating the same amount of green space elsewhere?
| rntn wrote:
| Here is a good summary of the largest efforts to make
| corridors worldwide :
|
| https://www.planetcustodian.com/important-wildlife-
| corridors...
|
| Here is a good (but old) recap of the (lack of) research into
| their efficacy :
|
| https://www.biologydiscussion.com/articles/benefits-of-
| conse...
| TSiege wrote:
| Allowing safe, uninterrupted movement of species. All
| ecosystems would be (almost) entirely connected to their
| neighbors, human settlement has upset this and its causing
| fragmented struggling ecosystems
| rntn wrote:
| There are some grand efforts in this direction..
|
| https://y2y.net/
|
| Personally, I would love to see a corridor like this from the
| Great Smoky Mountain National Park through the Nantahala
| National Forest and right down the Savannah River basin with
| all its dams, to - and including - the Georgia and South
| Carolina barrier islands, from Charleston to the Florida
| border..
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