[HN Gopher] My Org Roam Notes Workflow (2021)
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My Org Roam Notes Workflow (2021)
Author : l2dy
Score : 98 points
Date : 2022-04-09 04:49 UTC (1 days ago)
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| MuffinFlavored wrote:
| Can somebody explain to me how Org Roam Notes format is any
| different than Markdown with some [[clever]] indexing on like...
| tagging + indexing certain parts of your notes to make them
| searchable?
| nanna wrote:
| There's also the wonderful org-roam-ui which provides a React-
| based interactive graph of all your nodes for browsing and
| editing in the browser. The maintainer has just pushed a branch
| which can be deployed to a public server too.
|
| https://github.com/org-roam/org-roam-ui
| kkfx wrote:
| Emacs is a classic desktop, so not a multi-user environment, of
| course is perfectly capable of networking but in the classic
| sense, no central point, no "server" etc.
|
| So org-roam notes are personal notes, your own digital
| information from mail to feeds, passing through financial
| transactions, attached files, ... there is not use-case for
| sharing, it's not a wiki. However you can export certain notes
| to html (eventually selecting them out of org-ql queries) and
| such html can be a page of a wiki, a page whose source can be
| in a git repo with push and pull to keep it up to date, but
| that's not a pre-coocked thing, it's just easy to do since all
| ingredients are already made.
|
| You can for instance export toward GitIt wiki, or hack DokuWiki
| mode etc, being inside Emacs makes things far easier.
| sokoloff wrote:
| Has anyone defined or experienced a good workflow and process for
| multi-user, selective access/partitioned org-roam notes?
|
| Imagine I'm on a team of five and each of us have information
| that we consider public, private, company, and company/private.
| The last two being info that should stay with the company and
| _not with me_ when I leave, and information that should stay with
| the company _and with me_ when I leave (perhaps research or best
| practices we adopted in our use of language Foo or technology Bar
| ["how we integrate CUDA" or "rules for smooth DB migrations"],
| where it's not company proprietary but the company should have
| continued access.)
|
| I can easily see how I could use org to organize my own
| information, but if I use it to create a silo of information that
| only I can access and that, from the company perspective, dies
| with me when I resign, that feels selfishly sub-optimal.
|
| (Perhaps "public" and "company/private" are the same category in
| effect, but user1's private and user2's private are definitely
| different. I'd be willing to take any reasonable restriction such
| as segregation must be on a per-file basis.)
| nanna wrote:
| Think multi-user org-roam publishing is what the folk around
| anagora.org are doing.
|
| https://anagora.org/
| bloopernova wrote:
| As far as I can tell, there's no multi-user features in org-
| roam.
|
| It uses a SQLite database to keep track of files and UUIDs, so
| multiple user access is going to be difficult.
| sokoloff wrote:
| Ah right. I didn't say it (my bad) but was considering
| relying on the property that the "SQLite DB contents can be
| regenerated from the files" (in this case on a periodic basis
| or in conjunction with a git operation to push or pull new
| data).
| zvmaz wrote:
| I have been using emacs and org-mode for years now, but org-roam
| was a bit tedious and time consuming to set up correctly. I now
| use Logseq, and it's really great (especially the flashcard
| feature). I wish it had an emacs mode though.
| kaushalmodi wrote:
| You can customize the bindings in logseq. I've customized
| mine[1] to bring them as close as possible to default Emacs and
| Org mode bindings.
|
| [1]:
| https://github.com/kaushalmodi/dotfiles/blob/master/logseq/l...
| rjzzleep wrote:
| I use org-wiki and did try out org roam for a quick test.
|
| Isn't the main problem with org roam or similar solutions that
| the file names are random?
|
| I quite like having searchable names. I'm a bit worried that when
| the database is lost I have a problem recovering the metadata.
| bloat wrote:
| The database in org-roam is a cache for performance. It can be
| removed at any time and it will be rebuilt from the metadata
| contained in the files.
| kworks wrote:
| In org-roam v2, file names are definitely not random.
|
| For example, when calling org-roam-node-find to create a new
| note, say I type "This is My New Note". The file created is
| named "this_is_my_new_note.org".
|
| Here's an article regarding workflow from the maintainer that I
| found quite helpful: https://jethrokuan.github.io/org-roam-
| guide/
| bloopernova wrote:
| I don't think org-roam uses random filenames nowadays. When I
| add a new page to my org-roam instance, I choose the filename
| and a UUID is added to the page's header.
| kkfx wrote:
| org-roam file names are configurable (see org-roam-template
| slug formation), by default are ctime timestamp followed by
| note title stripped of eventual special char/spaces. Beside
| that personally when I need more than just direct heading
| search&narrow and org-ql is overkill a simple counsel-rg (or
| consult, helm etc depending on your taste) works very well so
| I'm feeling exactly no need to access notes via filesystem.
|
| Actually using org-attach and linking I essentially chased to
| use the classic filesystem + file manager for almost all my in-
| home activities, everything is accessed via org-roam-node-find
| and works beautifully well.
| tmalsburg2 wrote:
| I was also worried about filenames, the database, custom ids
| and all that. It all felt over-engineered for my modest
| purposes. In true Emacs spirit, the logical conclusion was that
| I had to implement my own Zettelkasten system:
|
| https://github.com/tmalsburg/mwk.el
| alexkehayias wrote:
| I have a pretty similar workflow for publishing my personal notes
| which is exported using GitHub actions.
| https://notes.alexkehayias.com
|
| Relevant emacs init code here (a lot of hacks to get exporting to
| ox-hugo to work and improve performance):
| https://github.com/alexkehayias/emacs.d/blob/master/init.el#...
|
| I find navigating notes with an interactive graph as not that
| useful for others. I mostly use org-roam-ui myself to spot notes
| with no links but otherwise there's way too many nodes to do
| anything other than randomly click around.
| kaushalmodi wrote:
| > a lot of hacks to get exporting to ox-hugo to work
|
| Hello! Please feel free to start a discussion on
| https://github.com/kaushalmodi/ox-hugo/discussions listing the
| things you need to tweak in ox-hugo to make it work with Org
| Roam.
|
| In the past 3 months or so, I have been adding test Org files
| received from Org Roam users and they seem to be exporting
| alright.
|
| Tests: https://github.com/kaushalmodi/ox-
| hugo/tree/main/test/site/c...
|
| I'd welcome more tests there :)
|
| > and improve performance [your config link]
|
| From your config, I see this[1] overriding `org-hugo-link--
| headline-anchor-maybe`. I am following a general Emacs Lisp
| convention of naming internal-use functions and variables with
| `--` in the names. Unfortunately, that advice won't do anything
| with the latest ox-hugo as I replaced that particular internal
| function with something else in past few months as I was
| improving the anchoring scheme to support an Org Roam user with
| linking headings based on UUID.
|
| At that point I had added this documentation on Anchors[2] in
| ox-hugo manual. If you set `org-hugo-anchor-functions` to nil,
| or add a dummy function to it that just returns "", it would do
| the same thing as you are doing in your advice right now (not
| tested).
|
| *Note that will basically break the ability to refer to other
| sub headings by UUID, CUSTOM_ID or any other mechanism.*
|
| ---
|
| I'd welcome contributions to ox-hugo code, documentation so
| that it can help other Org Roam users too. Even if it doesn't
| make it into the repo, having a discussion related to ox-hugo +
| Org Roam issues/tips+tricks in the ox-hugo Discussions forum
| will be useful to others.
|
| Thanks!
|
| ---
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| [1]:
| https://github.com/alexkehayias/emacs.d/blob/3b546048cc60976...
|
| [2]: https://ox-hugo.scripter.co/doc/anchors/
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