[HN Gopher] GitHub Text of government takedown notices as received
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GitHub Text of government takedown notices as received
Author : harporoeder
Score : 57 points
Date : 2022-04-09 06:07 UTC (16 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (github.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (github.com)
| emilfihlman wrote:
| That Spain one is just lazy and bad.
| mistrial9 wrote:
| there is a theory that a public projection of power includes
| disregard for the rules that govern others. Like excess
| displays of money, it proves to "anyone" that power prevails. A
| government written request, is both a legal document to make a
| request, but also a display for the "public" to read. This
| analysis stems directly from traditions of Monarchy, or
| military rule in modern times. It isnt going away and may be
| increasing.
|
| I echo the comments here that it appears that only some
| international requests are being shown, not others. Secrecy is
| a second mode of projection of power.
| 2Gkashmiri wrote:
| is this accurate? i dont find india in this repo and i am quite
| sure india has done takedown requests in the past, buli bai app
| is the most recent i can remember
| https://currentaffairs.studyiq.com/topics/science-technology...
|
| ". The IT ministry sent a request to the coding platform to
| remove the derogatory page, after which the page has been"
|
| if the ministry sent a request, shouldnt this be here?
| CommanderData wrote:
| I don't think the list is complete either, there's a few other
| examples I can think of that should be there.
|
| It's funny how China, Russia and Hong Kong stand out on the
| repo. I guess we keep our allies secret/quiet.
| rosndo wrote:
| > I don't think the list is complete either, there's a few
| other examples I can think of that should be there
|
| Such as?
| peppermint_tea wrote:
| I say full list or no list. Other than that, it sends the wrong
| message that "this country" is doing censorship and "this
| country" is not. No mention how they would deal with a National
| security letter (18 U.S.C. SS 2709)
|
| transparency for some countries but not others is not
| transparency.
|
| I say they should take down this repo, or mention something
| about how they would deal with an NSL.
| hatenberg wrote:
| The US isn't the only country that has NSLs
| c0balt wrote:
| I wouldn't be surprised if India or other countries have made
| takedown requests in the past that may have had confidentiality
| of some level attached to them.
|
| For example, do not publish the request for foo since it might
| endanger bar etc. This theory would at least explain the very
| small list of included countries.
| pessimizer wrote:
| I wouldn't be surprised if takedown requests from China and
| Russia also have confidentiality attached to them. There are
| some countries you are bound by national policy (as
| administered through private media companies) to respect,
| like the Saudis for example, and others that you're lauded
| for not respecting, like China and Russia.
| 2Gkashmiri wrote:
| so whats the point of "transparency" if there is a shut-up
| clause?
| miohtama wrote:
| Unsurprisingly, Russia folder seems to have most "content".
|
| Has China fully blocked Github with their Great Firewall yet?
| detuur wrote:
| Most of the recent takedowns from Roskomnadzor seem to be aimed
| at illegal gambling sites using github for hosting. Almost all
| of the rest are for deleted gists, so there's no telling what
| used to be there. I found one surviving gist and it was a list
| of suicide methods, written in Russian[1]. The only other
| takedown requests that were still intact were for references to
| the Hydra marketplace (which I assume many of the gists also
| referred to), and, amusingly, for a guide on how to dodge
| Russian conscription[2].
|
| [1]: The same text from what I assume is the original repo:
| https://github.com/russian-suicide/ololo
|
| [2]: https://wm2ch.github.io/wm2ch/
| simse wrote:
| Yes, Github is blocked in China
| jan_Inkepa wrote:
| I don't believe it is?
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_GitHub#Blockage
|
| Says the block was lifted in 2013?
| daqhris wrote:
| There is a long history of why it's blocked. Some repos
| were hosting essential code to bypass the Great Firewall.
| Others were spreading tools to advocates of Free Tibet and
| Uyghurs. And, there are some software devs who were
| promoting and supporting workers rights/strikes in the
| context of 996 scandal.
|
| GitHub wasn't freely accessible or access to its services
| were disturbed during my college years ('12-'16). Any
| information platform that evades the PRC control system
| gets blocked once it achieves major attention and onboards
| influential users.
| kevin_thibedeau wrote:
| Gotta protect the public from this sort of dangerous
| activity:
|
| https://github.com/xi-yu-yan-kai-fa/xi-winnie-rainbow-
| fart
| simse wrote:
| That's my mistake, I should have included a source. But the
| fact remains, it is blocked:
| http://www.chinafirewalltest.com/?siteurl=github.com.
| 0des wrote:
| . .
| teshigahara wrote:
| Not sure how accurate this website is, but it seems to be
| blocked currently.
|
| http://www.chinafirewalltest.com/?siteurl=https%3A%2F%2Fgit
| h...
| octoberfranklin wrote:
| Pretty hilarious that this repo has a code of conduct.
|
| I am pretty sure the entities contributing takedown notices to
| this repository do not comply with it, nor do they care.
| abraham wrote:
| The entities are not contributing to the repo. They are filing
| takedowns with GitHub and GitHub is making the takedowns
| available via the repo.
| [deleted]
| morelish wrote:
| I forked a repo on GitHub. A few weeks later a DMCA take-down
| notice was issued against the repo (and all forks). Someone
| claimed the repo had stolen their copyrighted stuff.
|
| Unfortunately, I couldn't verify whether the claim was correct
| because I wasn't provided with a copy of the original copyrighted
| material. So it wasn't possible for me to tell if the DMCA was
| genuine or not. I suspect the DMCA claim was valid but it was
| impossible for me to tell.
|
| GitHubs process around the DMCA did not fill me with joy.
| Beltalowda wrote:
| It does publish the DMCA notices at
| https://github.com/github/dmca, which is a lot more transparent
| than most companies.
|
| At the end of the day GitHub has to comply with the law,
| whether they like it or not. And looking through that list of
| DMCA notices many of them seem fairly valid on the face of it.
| riedel wrote:
| Fun to read through those. A strange one is a DMCA issued by
| an open source project/company: https://github.com/github/dmc
| a/blob/master/2022/04/2022-04-0... . Does anyone know
| anything about this strange war between the maintainer and
| some other guy.
| hyperdimension wrote:
| Not only that, apparently this KeyAuth software has none
| other than Steve Jobs giving a glowing testimonial. I'm not
| sure what to make of this.
|
| https://keyauth.win
| [deleted]
| rosndo wrote:
| > I couldn't verify whether the claim was correct because I
| wasn't provided with a copy of the original copyrighted
| material
|
| > GitHubs process around the DMCA did not fill me with joy.
|
| It sounds like Githubs DMCA process works exactly as legally
| mandated, and you have completely unreasonable expectations
|
| Github is in no position to demand a copy of the original
| material from the complainant. That's just not how it works.
| morelish wrote:
| Yeah I didn't really expect they would get an original copy
| of the material. However, what worried me was how does the
| process prevent malicious DMCA notices? Could I just start
| filing DMCA notices against repos I don't like?
| morelish wrote:
| There's a wider issue around any cloud SAAS offering. You
| really need to keep local copies of stuff if you want to be
| sure you can reproduce your build. As there's a chance,
| even a good-natured cloud provider will be forced to take
| something that you rely upon down.
| rosndo wrote:
| > Could I just start filing DMCA notices against repos I
| don't like?
|
| Yeah, and unless they file counter notices Github has to
| take down those repos.
|
| > However, what worried me was how does the process prevent
| malicious DMCA notices?
|
| Well, it can't. It's just illegal to do that.
| [deleted]
| nulbyte wrote:
| > It sounds like Githubs DMCA process works exactly as
| legally mandated...
|
| I would hesitate to say 'mandated' here. It is available, but
| not mandated. You canegally ignore DMCA takedown notices. You
| lose your safe harbor in the process, but in and of itself,
| it is not illegal.
| kkfx wrote:
| That's a good reminder for developers in particular to AVOID
| being tied to any platform and being spread in multiple countries
| to remain free if one contry decide something against another
| hitting also innocents in the middle (think for instance about
| sizing of private citizens assets in case of war, some might have
| a role, others not at all but all are hit and that's not a new
| thing).
|
| Nothing wrong in using a free code hosting just to host code,
| many things are disasters waiting to happening depending on their
| infra for development.
|
| For citizens it's the same: we have countless of example of
| "suspended accounts" not ONLY for government requests, using BUT
| not depending on any specific third party is good, depending is a
| threat. Or the classic: using but not depending is free market,
| depending is monopoly etc.
| ganzuul wrote:
| The infra is git.
| kkfx wrote:
| Yes, and no. Many depend on PR to develop, many use GH CI and
| other services. So yes, if you have the repo you are not
| tied, but no, if you use other GitHub services, have no ML to
| communicate, have no personal project website etc you are in
| a very dangerous position.
| orlp wrote:
| What if a government requests Github to take down this repository
| itself?
| 8organicbits wrote:
| > Although we may not always agree with those laws, we may need
| to block content if we receive a complete request from a
| government official so that our users in that jurisdiction may
| continue to have access to GitHub to collaborate and build
| software.
|
| Faced with a request like you mention, they'd either take the
| repository down or risk users in that jurisdiction losing
| access (i.e. the Government chooses to block GitHub). GitHub
| may feel that such a request prevents them from acting
| transparently, so they may choose to keep it up. Or they may
| comply out of fear that GitHub would be blocked (or further
| legal actions). Basically a bunch of higher-ups have some long
| meetings with lawyers and pick what they feel is best.
|
| (I'm not a lawyer)
| supergirl wrote:
| why those particular countries? those can't possibly be the only
| ones.
| ddaalluu2 wrote:
| Yeah something stinks there
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