[HN Gopher] Mozilla Thunderbird Beta now supports Matrix chat
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Mozilla Thunderbird Beta now supports Matrix chat
Author : jakecopp
Score : 409 points
Date : 2022-04-08 23:26 UTC (23 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (matrix.org)
(TXT) w3m dump (matrix.org)
| crossroadsguy wrote:
| Is there a hidden feature in Thunderbird, or an add-on, that
| allows easily sending replies from the email address to which
| message was received? Without having to have those email
| addresses already added as accounts/identities.
|
| And also writing fresh emails from specific emails addresses
| maybe by easily editing the "from" field.
|
| i.e if I had used an email netflix@mydomain.tld to register on
| Netflix and I am replying to an email received on that then the
| reply should automatically bo sent from that email.
|
| Apple mail allows this by adding such email addresses in advance.
| I already have almost 20 in the from list. It's a mess. Couldn't
| find any other generic client (iPhone or Mac) that does it.
| mkl wrote:
| I'm just trying this add-on which seems to work,
| ReplyAsOriginalRecipientUp: https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-
| US/thunderbird/addon/reply...
| Anthony-G wrote:
| In case any Mutt users are interested, here's how this can be
| accomplished. # When replying to an email,
| use the To: address of the original email as the #
| From: address in the reply (requires that the To: address be
| recognised by # Mutt as being one of my alternate
| addresses). set reverse_name # Regex to
| let Mutt know what other email addresses are used by me.
| alternates @example
|
| I had been thinking of writing a script to dynamically create a
| file of alternative addresses from /etc/aliases but this isn't
| necessary. There's no need to individually list all my
| alternate addresses as - currently - all name@example.com and
| name@example.info addresses are me so it is enough to just
| match the `@example` regular expression.
|
| _Edit_ : For composing a new message (not a reply), I have
| this set: # When composing a message, edit
| the headers along with the message body. # This should
| make it easier to see that the correct From address is being
| used # and to fix this if necessary. set
| edit_headers
| surewe wrote:
| Yup - "Reply with this identity when delivery headers match".
| Set it to something like "*@example.com", and you're good to
| go.
| crossroadsguy wrote:
| That needs more identities to be added in advance. Just like
| Apple Mail. I want to avoid that.
| kelnos wrote:
| How else would that work, though? Thunderbird doesn't know
| what SMTP server and credentials to use without you telling
| it.
| mkl wrote:
| It used to work fine with an extension called Virtual
| Identity. That no longer works (hasn't been updated in a
| long time, and I'm not sure if it could be made to work
| again).
| crossroadsguy wrote:
| It knows the domain already and SMTP credentials are
| already saved.
|
| I've already set creds for abc@domain.tld, xyz@domain.tld
| and pr course as usual I can reply, send new emails from
| these addresses.
|
| But I should also be able to send emails/reply from
| pqrs/dfg/john/tom/ram/bond/bill/etc@domain.tld. Of course
| reply will be automatic but sending new email might just
| require changing the from field.
|
| It can have a setting that "if a from address identified
| isn't already added as an identity, it should use the
| SMTP creds of matching domain". It won't work for
| something like Gmail, Outlook.com (I mean one anyway
| can't have catch-all on these domains) but would work
| great for personal emails.
|
| This is what I meant.
|
| Because without such a feature - catchall feature is
| often rendered very limited. Even iCloud+ supports
| replying - id you've to send a fresh mail from a
| catchall/disposable (or service/provider/business
| specific) email address you're out of luck.
| beagle3 wrote:
| My thunderbird has an option for "modify from ..." which
| lets me write whatever I want. On mobile, can't check
| exact text. I do remember I had to reggae a switch in the
| preferences to make that option appear, don't remember
| which one - have been using it for years.
| crossroadsguy wrote:
| Thunderbird has a mobile app as well? The website says it
| doesn't.
| beagle3 wrote:
| I was away from my laptop on mobile writing the message,
| so I couldn't check what the option was called on my
| laptop....
| beagle3 wrote:
| Just checked, it's called "Customize From Address ..."
| dhimes wrote:
| Cool! Thank you! Works great. Just have to remember to
| get rid of my signature as it has all my personal contact
| info lol
| surewe wrote:
| No it doesn't, you can use a wildcard.
| bennyp101 wrote:
| Holy cow, I too have been looking for this for ages!
| *@my.domain in there and it works!
|
| Thank you!
| manol74 wrote:
| You don't need an add-on for that. I have a plain TB 91 setup
| with three identies configured for three different mail
| servers. When replying I can choose from the identities, and in
| the drop down there is another option "Customize From Address"
| which enables editing the address without creating another
| identity. It's a bit hidden, but should be there without an
| add-on. Doesn't work for new mails though, in this case the
| option is there but disabled.
| OJFord wrote:
| GP (and I) don't want to configure multiple 'identities'
| though. I (and probably GP) create new email addresses 'on
| the fly', for a specific shop I order from once say, and if
| there's something I need to reply to I want (possibly _need_
| from their CRM 's perspective) to reply from the address they
| already have for me.
|
| Embarrassingly largely for this reason, I wrote my own
| client. (Good fun though, and not the only reason.)
| Tepix wrote:
| Virtual identity was exactly what you are asking for
|
| https://www.absorb.it/virtual-id
|
| Unfortunately it seems to have been abandonded
| crossroadsguy wrote:
| Damn! It indeed is exactly that. And yes, that's abandoned.
| But thanks anyway!
| d3nj4l wrote:
| No disrespect to your question - it is fair and reasonable -
| but why is the top comment on a post about Thunderbird's Matrix
| integration essentially a tech support question about a
| completely unrelated thing in Thunderbird?
| uwuemu wrote:
| Because it's a niche feature barely anyone will use or is
| interested in using and so they have nothing to say that
| would be on topic. But, this being HN, people still use the
| post to piggyback on with their issues or requests regarding
| Thunderbird in general.
|
| Actually, this happens faily often. Each time some popular
| project gets a post like "php 8 released", "net 6 released",
| typically, what should be discussed is the theme of the
| release, new features, changes etc., but what the top posts
| end up being is just people arguing how php is shit and
| java/kotlin is better than net yadda yadda. Seems to be
| natural in open discussions, also happens on Reddit.
| satya71 wrote:
| That's how always used Thunderbird. I can even switch
| identities when replying, if I want to do that. Also, you can
| have multiple identities for the same account, if you have
| aliases.
| crossroadsguy wrote:
| I can have identities in Apple Mail but that would mean
| dozens, hundreds of identities have to be added. Add
| netflix@mydomain, reddit@, hnyc@, amazon@,... and so on.
|
| Except one or two main identities I don't want to pre-add
| these emails. Because I'm aware it's already possible at
| least in Apple Mail.
| kingcharles wrote:
| I do my email address like you. One of the things I was
| thankful for with Fastmail is that it does this
| automatically for me (sets the FROM address when I hit
| reply to whatever the receipt address was). I hate when you
| hit reply and your mail client sends it from the default
| address and then the recipient bounces it because it
| doesn't match anything in their records.
| crossroadsguy wrote:
| I have indeed heard about it and it's on the radar but
| not having any trial is a bummer. Btw what's that 600
| email (alias?) limit?
|
| Also, wouldn't want to buy a domain just to try. On top
| of that they don't allow domains on their starting paid
| tier (which already costs 4 times current paid mail host)
| and my email resource usage doesn't warn more than that.
|
| Can you please tell us how the UI is?
|
| E.g. You registered on Reddit and just used a
| random/disposable/freshly thought of email address like
| "reddit@kingcharles.tld".
|
| Now if you receive an email from Reddit or anybody on the
| email I guess you can just hit reply and it will be
| replied from that Email -- for this you would have to
| come back to Fastmail app/dashboard ans add that
| "reddit@..." as an identity/email or you don't have to as
| long as the domain matches (and of course it does, that's
| how you received mail in the first place)?
|
| And what if you're not replying? You're initiating an
| email to someone but suddenly want to use "another-addr-
| random@kingcharles.tld"? You can just set it at the time
| of sending the mail you this email address has to be
| added as an identity/alias?
| kingcharles wrote:
| >E.g. You registered on Reddit and just used a
| random/disposable/freshly thought of email address like
| "reddit@kingcharles.tld". >Now if you receive an email
| from Reddit or anybody on the email I guess you can just
| hit reply and it will be replied from that Email
|
| Yes, that's exactly how it works. I just went and checked
| it. I have one catchall alias set up with a name of King
| Charles on *@kingcharles.tld. Anything that comes into
| that domain like reddit@kingcharles.tld I can reply to
| and the FROM will be King Charles
| <reddit@kingcharles.tld> without me having to do
| anything. [It actually shows it as three textboxes "King
| Charles", "reddit", "kingcharles.tld" you can edit]
|
| I pay $5 a month which I consider a bargain.
| traviswt wrote:
| You can choose it at time of either sending a new email
| or replying. From the sending identity drop down, pick
| *@kingcharles.tld, and then it will populate the From
| field with <@kingcharles.tld> and you type in front of
| the @ sign whatever you want, no prior setup.
| mdavidn wrote:
| It's not Thunderbird, but I do this in Fastmail (web or app)
| using their "masked email" feature. Replies come from the same
| alias created uniquely for my Netflix account.
|
| https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/articles/4406536368911-Ma...
| AndrewDavis wrote:
| You can do this without masked email too. I have a wildcard
| alias setup so *@mydomain.tld are accepted, and I have a
| wildcard sending identity *@mydomain.tld
|
| If you have a sending identity that matches with the address
| the email was received, on the app and webui it will reply
| from that address.
|
| Disclaimer: I work at Fastmail, but not on the webui or app.
| jmcphers wrote:
| Fastmail does SUCH a great job managing multiple addresses
| and domains. My favorite feature is the auto-BCC so that
| when I'm sending from a joint e-mail address I share with
| my wife, she always gets a copy.
| adamcstephens wrote:
| Thanks, I didn't know this was an option. Turning on now.
| :)
| masklinn wrote:
| > I have a wildcard sending identity *@mydomain.tld
|
| Uh. Neat, I've been adding aliases individually as I needed
| them.
| OJFord wrote:
| I did that too when I used Fastmail, was a right pain,
| wish I'd known!
| ectopod wrote:
| It never occurred to me to try a wildcard. I was getting
| sick of adding sending identities in fastmail. Thanks for
| the tip!
| mritzmann wrote:
| I am a Fastmail customer for 2-3 years. That was the
| reason, why I switched to you guys!
| 0ldskool wrote:
| I've been trying to decide if I should switch from GApps
| to Fastmail. This is the killer feature I wanted along
| with unlimited domains, looks like I'll be transferring
| over soon.
| detaro wrote:
| > _And also writing fresh emails from specific emails addresses
| maybe by easily editing the "from" field._
|
| that it has.
| dec0dedab0de wrote:
| If you don't add them in advance, how could it tell the
| difference between your addresses, and a mailing list, or if
| there are multiple addresses.
| donatzsky wrote:
| You can change the from address to whatever you want when you
| send an email.
|
| In the "From" drop down, you can choose any of your existing
| addresses or to customise it.
| gorgoiler wrote:
| I feel like I had this working in Evolution once?
|
| In reality I found that 99% of the time I only use aliases for
| _receiving_ and _filtering_ incoming email. On the one day a
| month I need to _send_ from netflix@mydomain.com, I just sack
| up and add it as an account alias. Le sigh.
|
| Of course, mutt does this right:
|
| https://gitlab.com/muttmua/mutt/-/wikis/MuttFaq/Header#how-t...
|
| ...but now there's a new problem in that GitLab's deep linking
| seems to be broken. Yay.
| arendtio wrote:
| I would love such a feature too. currently I have to either add
| a ton of identities or do a lot of unnecessary manual copy and
| pasting.
|
| AFAIK, you can edit the from field for fresh emails, when using
| the user-defined-from-option below your identities.
| Nevertheless, when you have a conversation, it would be much
| easier if there would be an option to use the recipients
| address.
| cassianoleal wrote:
| It feels to me that the problem is that email _addresses_ are
| considered to be the identity. In your (and mine!) case, the
| _domain_ is our identity, and the individual addresses are just
| different inboxes. Email clients need an option for that.
| emptysongglass wrote:
| Firefox Relay solves this by giving you a
| replies@relay.firefox.com for the Reply-To. Works great for me
| for a dollar a month.
|
| But of course I understand the desire to selfhost such a
| solution.
| belkarx wrote:
| A nice addition to the currently existing embedded clients for
| IRC, XMPP, Twitter (for some reason?), and Google Talk
| (infiltration of Alphabet, gotta love that).
| saghul wrote:
| Way back when, when it was still called Google Talk, wasn't it
| almost just XMPP? Alphabet wasn't even a thing it was still
| Google. You can take off your tinfoil hat now :-)
| hardwaresofton wrote:
| The crossover I never knew I wanted but am glad to see
|
| Does anyone know of any services that offer all the backing
| services for add-ons for thunderbird: WebDAV for filelink,
| CalDAV, CardDAV, (and now) Matrix?
| jakecopp wrote:
| I haven't heard of anyone that hosts both Matrix &
| Mail/Calendar/Contacts.
|
| That would be a really interesting enterprise solution though -
| effectively replacing Slack/Teams for internal comms!
| rglullis wrote:
| May I interest you in Matrix (and/or XMPP) for messaging and
| Mastodon (for social media) on Communick[0]?
|
| I've done some experiments with running an email server as
| well, but I don't think I would be able to run it as reliably
| and cost-effectively as the more established players.
|
| > replacing Slack/Teams for internal comms
|
| Also, Mastodon (or Pleroma) can work as a substitute for
| Yammer.
|
| [0] https://communick.com
| Jiocus wrote:
| Just add some LDAP services for identity management,
| authentication and it's fairly close to the project I'm on
| right now. A cursory look at getting a matrix server running
| didn't work out yet though, with issues for clients to
| recognise the server at all. I don't mind sysops work but
| right now a set&forget solution would spare some needed
| energy.
|
| The Thunderbird+Matrix integration sounds like a match - I
| hope that holds up in practice as well!
|
| Edit: as others mentioned, Nextcloud has the features.
| rglullis wrote:
| Do you mind if I send you an email? I am looking for
| people/companies that might be interested in having a
| managed matrix provider.
| dflock wrote:
| NextCloud does all this, afaik.
| pmw wrote:
| Fastmail has been that all-in solution. They host
| Mail/Calendar/Contacts, and they used to host XMPP/Jabber.
| But unfortunately they made the decision to shut down XMPP
| (https://fastmail.blog/historical/shutting-down-our-xmpp-
| chat...) and probably for the same reason won't get into
| Matrix.
| jakecopp wrote:
| > For intra-business messaging, most companies seem to be
| sticking with proven multi-user protocols like IRC rather
| than XMPP Multi-User Chat (MUC), or are moving to more
| sophisticated proprietary collaboration platforms like
| Slack.
|
| That sounds true as of 2015, however Matrix now has a large
| following in open source & in some governments &
| businesses. I can't find a list of orgs using Matrix but
| that would be interesting to see.
| hardwaresofton wrote:
| Yeah, it might be a hard sell compared to GApps for most
| businesses but I'd like to think there are is a subset that
| would want the F/OSS solution!
|
| I wonder if bundling FF Send would also be useful, see
| there's a filelink provider for that as well which is
| interesting.
| pid-1 wrote:
| Unfortunately matrix is a no go for regulated business (read:
| you might be required to monitor employees and hand over
| chats to govt.)
| Arathorn wrote:
| Matrix development is mainly funded by providing
| deployments for regulated business(!) - ie the French
| state, German armed forces, UK government, DOD etc. If you
| search for "audit bot" in
| https://element.io/enterprise/pricing#features you'll see
| all the stuff available for enterprisey deployments from
| Element.
| pid-1 wrote:
| Thanks!
| feanaro wrote:
| You might be, but you might also live in a country where
| this isn't a thing.
| pid-1 wrote:
| For some subsets the financial sector, that's highly
| unlikely.
| aspenmayer wrote:
| There is some development in that area. This is from an
| Element dev, apparently. Not sure if this is very up to
| date as it's from about a year ago, but it seems highly
| topical.
|
| https://brendan.abolivier.bzh/matrix-retention-policies/
|
| https://github.com/matrix-
| org/synapse/blob/develop/docs/mess...
| ryukafalz wrote:
| If need be, you can require the use of a Matrix client that
| doesn't support end to end encryption, or has support for
| it disabled. Nothing stopping you from doing that, almost
| all the clients are FOSS.
| mycall wrote:
| Or add a keylogger/eventstore into the Matrix client.
| [deleted]
| rovr138 wrote:
| Even if End to End encrypted, the client has access to
| the decrypted content and could log it.
| agilob wrote:
| >The crossover I never knew I wanted but am glad to see
|
| You can also use IRC and XMPP in Thunderbird.
| dflock wrote:
| NextCloud does all that, I think?
| rglullis wrote:
| How much would you be willing to pay for it?
|
| I provide Matrix hosting (as well as XMPP and ActivityPub
| Mastodon) on Communick [0].
|
| At the moment I'm more focused on taking these services to
| offer custom domain hosting, and personally I've been staying
| away from servers and using DecSync [1] + syncthing to get my
| calendars and contacts on my devices [2], so I haven't thought
| about adding a DAV server to the mix on Communick. But if you
| tell me there is any actual demand, I would definitely consider
| it.
|
| [0] https://communick.com
|
| [1] https://github.com/39aldo39/DecSync
|
| [2] https://raphael.lullis.net/thinking-heads-are-not-in-the-
| clo...
| hardwaresofton wrote:
| I was about to ask the same thing -- I run a service that
| offers DAV and was wondering if I should add CalDAV and
| CardDAV (I've been wanting to do it for a while) and offered
| this bundled service...
|
| You might want to send that question jakecopp 's way though!
| :)
| rglullis wrote:
| Oh, so you are the guy from Vadosware? That's cool, I
| really liked your idea of using AirTable to power the
| landing page of your site.
| hardwaresofton wrote:
| Oh I am -- thanks for visiting the site! -- it was
| Baserow[0] and since then I've actually _finally_ gotten
| a chance to try out NocoDB[1][2] as well!
|
| I'm a heavy Thunderbird (+ maddy[3]) user, and have been
| wondering lately if I'm missing anything by not having
| CardDAV/CalDAV
|
| [0]: https://baserow.io/
|
| [1]: https://nocodb.com/
|
| [2]: https://nomorepizzaparties.com/accounting.html
|
| [3]: https://foxcpp.dev/maddy/
| qbasic_forever wrote:
| NextCloud is what I think of when I think of self hosting a
| webdav, caldav, etc. setup.
| hardwaresofton wrote:
| Ahhh but I wasn't thinking of quite self Hosting but a
| managed service... do businesses use Nextcloud in that way I
| wonder.
| emptysongglass wrote:
| Hetzner offers this [1]. For less than 5 EUR a month you
| get 1 TB of storage plus their managed Nextcloud!
|
| [1] https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share
| indigodaddy wrote:
| Hi I went through the faq and it wasn't mentioned, but
| does the "storage share powered by nextcloud" Hetzner
| service, include all the other features of nextcloud as
| well like chat, etc?
| emptysongglass wrote:
| I last used it at a start-up a few years ago (I self-host
| everything now) so my memory is a bit hazy but yes, I
| remember the option at that time to add and enable any
| apps you wanted available from Nextcloud's app catalog.
| RcrdBrt wrote:
| Yes, it does
| indigodaddy wrote:
| Thanks for verifying guys!
| rsolva wrote:
| Thanks for sharing, I have been looking for a reasonably
| priced managed NextCloud solution, but had a hard time
| finding any. NextCloud should focus more on promoting the
| actors that offers a simple way to get started. I tried
| contacting several of their premium partners listed on
| their webpage, but none of the scandinavian ones offered
| anything ready to use.
| captn3m0 wrote:
| There are managed NextCloud hosts.
| https://nextcloud.com/providers/
| _1tan wrote:
| Is there a practical way to run Thunderbird on Android?
| LinAGKar wrote:
| No
| moonchrome wrote:
| Didn't Mozilla drop Thunderbird to community ?
| dade_ wrote:
| There were several options explored, but Thunderbird is now a
| new subsidiary owned by Mozilla.
| https://www.theregister.com/2020/01/30/mozilla_thunderbird_h...
| hestefisk wrote:
| This is quite cool... thanks Tbird team!
| FounderBurr wrote:
| beebeepka wrote:
| My name is not nobody, Mr burr.
|
| I have been using it for email and calendar for many years.
| Don't wanna call you names but your contribution here calls for
| it
| foresto wrote:
| I imagine this could be useful in workplaces that already use
| Thunderbird and want to introduce Matrix without the support
| burden of new desktop software. Potentially cool?
| [deleted]
| eredengrin wrote:
| Yep, also nice for parents who already use Thunderbird and now
| (well, once it exits beta) I can perhaps convince them to use
| matrix more consistently.
| badrabbit wrote:
| > Almost complete end-to-end encryption support
|
| Now that is a shocker! I tried hard to find e2e supporting GUI
| clients and Element was the only viable option.
|
| I have grown to hate these "obese" webapps. I say that because
| they don't freaking need 4GB ram to send messages between people!
| I have Teams and several browsers already fighting to the death,
| I am forced to open slack to multiple groups in my browser except
| now those tabs are 3GB+ and if I run Element, same thing! Man I
| miss IRC.
|
| Sorry for the rant. I am sure Thinderbird with Matrix won't need
| no more than 2GB /S
| zaik wrote:
| XMPP clients like Gajim or Dino don't use a lot of RAM and
| support modern E2EE (OMEMO).
| badrabbit wrote:
| My problem with omemo is it is too opportunistic. But thanks
| zaik wrote:
| What do you mean by opportunistic?
| [deleted]
| d3nj4l wrote:
| Fluffy.chat supports E2EE and is cross-platform:
| https://gitlab.com/famedly/fluffychat
|
| (Though it might not fit your needs completely, as it's written
| in Flutter, and Flutter is pretty bloated too...)
| ananonymoususer wrote:
| This should be an add-on vs. being integrated in the app. Better
| still would be a wholly separate app. Thunderbird is for email.
| Jiejeing wrote:
| I am not a matrix fan, but I have to point out that thunderbird
| has had IRC and XMPP support for ages so it is not out of
| character to add another open instant messaging service (using
| IRC or XMPP on thunderbird felt underwhelming, though, I was
| never sure who was the target for this).
| eyelidlessness wrote:
| As a not-current-user, I can't in good conscience +1 the should
| part of this. But I was definitely baffled by why this app
| would have this feature built in.
| rovr138 wrote:
| They've had a chat client for quite some time.
|
| They just added a protocol.
| AdmiralAsshat wrote:
| Not...sure...if...want?
|
| I use Thunderbird, and I appreciated past "baked-in" additions
| like PGP support, but, I kinda just want my email client to be an
| email client.
| tomjen3 wrote:
| Thunderbird also has support for Usenet out of the box. I think
| the product sees itself more as a complete communication
| program than just an email program, even if that is what most
| people use it for.
| Toadtoad wrote:
| It's been a chat client for such a long time that I think it
| makes sense to add Matrix support, which is a much more modern
| protocol than the others supported. I think we've all just
| forgot that it has chat features, since it only supported
| protocols like Google Talk, IRC, and XMPP.
| mdaniel wrote:
| From looking at the diff, it seems to be in the same vein as
| the IRC, XMPP, Google Talk(!), and some weird network I've
| never heard of "Odnoklassniki"
| (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odnoklassniki)
|
| https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/instant-messaging-and-c...
|
| So, in other words: it merely expands the already shipping chat
| clients to be just one more
| AdmiralAsshat wrote:
| Fair enough, I guess. I never realized Thunderbird already
| supported those. I always had HexChat, Pidgin, or Fractal for
| IRC/GTalk/Matrix at the ready instead.
| mdaniel wrote:
| It has a good (at least for my purposes) RSS reader, too,
| which is actually my primary use for it lately
|
| https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-subscribe-news-
| feed...
| jokoon wrote:
| Thunderbird supports irc?
| TingPing wrote:
| It's called Chatzilla, it's not great nor widely used.
| aaronmdjones wrote:
| On the contrary; Thunderbird's chat has built-in IRC
| support which you can use without installing something
| like ChatZilla [1][2].
|
| It's not very good, though, including warts such as
| automatically attempting an SASL login with your
| credentials, even if you've never registered a services
| account on the IRC network [3].
|
| [1] https://i.imgur.com/LQrzpoy.png
|
| [2] https://i.imgur.com/X8idAGl.png
|
| [3] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1618061
| wellthisisgreat wrote:
| I don't want to setup my email with TB just to try it out, can
| someone please explain how this works?
|
| We can chat from within TB client using Matrix? So we'd need to
| be using Matrix (instead of Slack for example) to take advantage
| of this? Or is there some kind of built-in Matrix chat inside TB?
|
| Also a question for people who use TB - is it possible to use it
| for teams? So to "delegate" emails for example, or "comment" on
| emails?
| riidom wrote:
| To your first question, you can setup new mail account, new
| chat account, etc. so it's separated anyway.
| ptman wrote:
| It's a matrix client that you use to connect to a matrix home
| server
| mdaniel wrote:
| The nitty gritty:
|
| https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1712721
|
| https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/15485902a00b
|
| https://phabricator.services.mozilla.com/D141266 (the unified
| version of those two links)
| user3939382 wrote:
| If anyone from the Thunderbird team is reading this can you
| please default the timezone in preferences to match the OS.
| jraph wrote:
| Thunderbird has a proper bugtracker.
| user3939382 wrote:
| This bug has been in there for 10 years.
| solarkraft wrote:
| Ah, classic Mozilla.
| usr1106 wrote:
| Classic open source user. They take the free (as in beer)
| software and complain that nobody works for them.
| Epiphany21 wrote:
| Mozilla makes money hand over fist and they squander it.
| This is unrelated to their finances or the source model
| of the product.
| jodrellblank wrote:
| They didn't do that, though.
| jhasse wrote:
| Mozilla takes donations, so it isn't necessarely free.
| Also Mozilla is wondering why no one wants to use their
| software, this is one of the reasons why.
| syncbehind wrote:
| >Mozilla takes donations, so it isn't necessarely free.
|
| This is a wild take. Taking donations doesn't invalidate
| the fact that it is available to everyone for free. By
| definition donations are voluntary. No part of
| Thunderbird is behind paywalls of any sort.
| chanux wrote:
| Wonder why they didn't think about feature funding. As
| in, letting people donate to specific features.
| TingPing wrote:
| Donations are a small part of their income.
| 0xdeadb00f wrote:
| It's a reasonable request though. Something that
| definitely shouldn't cost them much to fix.
| pizza234 wrote:
| Hard to know! Composing emails in tabs seemed easy
| without internal knowledge, but the code turned out to be
| a trainwreck, to the point that even a funded attempt
| failed. I doubt it will ever be fixed.
| inferiorhuman wrote:
| I'd settle for ungimping the new messages badge, bringing back
| the older (more compact) tree widget (or at least making it
| easily styled), or at the very least fixing the whole
| compacting a folder makes it disappear until restart thing
| (especially since Thunderbird is now very aggressive about
| suggesting I compact my folders).
|
| I upgraded from ~60 to 91 and it's been nothing but
| regressions. I couldn't possibly care any less about a chat
| client when the actual text editor still doesn't let you do
| something as basic as toggle word wrap. It's almost as if
| Mozilla's completely forgotten about core competencies.
| mycall wrote:
| > toggle word wrap
|
| Do they accept PRs?
| throwanem wrote:
| I don't know how building Thunderbird is now, but last time
| I tried it I came away with the distinct impression that
| ascending a character in Nethack is probably easier.
|
| I've never ascended a character in Nethack...
| paull39 wrote:
| Hey that's unfortunate to hear. There might be some
| changes soon in the documentation how to build
| Thunderbird. The build process might become easier soon
| too. For the current process to build Thunderbird check
| out https://developer.thunderbird.net/thunderbird-
| development/bu.... If you do find the time check it out
| and open issues with your problems here
| https://github.com/thundernest/developer-docs. Thanks!
| inferiorhuman wrote:
| You know the last time I dared to even think about
| potentially engaging the Thunderbird team I regretted it
| pretty severely. The new messages badge was changed to an
| unread message count. The official response on the PR
| (that someone else had opened) was along the lines of
| "screw you, we know best how to use an email client" and
| even making it configurable was not in the cards.
|
| In that context why on earth would I bother trying
| digging into documentation of questionable quality to
| figure out an archaic build process? Mind you in the
| decade or so since that issue was raised the badge has
| been made configurable and can show up to 99 unread or
| new messages. Nobody ever has more than 99, right?
|
| Trying to dig into the theme stuff was... interesting.
| The documentation is exceptionally sparse, but the
| tooling itself was terrible. Things fail silently which
| means that you often have to restart to render any
| changes to your theme (instead of uninstalling or
| reloading it). Of course you'll probably also have to
| manually reload the theme since it won't persist across
| restarts if there was some sort of silent failure.
|
| All in all interacting with Thunderbird feels more like
| interacting with a black box than an open source project.
| So no thanks, I'll pass on that kind of user hostility.
| throwanem wrote:
| It is unfortunate, I agree. You'd think that after
| playing the game off and on, sometimes quite intensively,
| for three _decades_ now, I 'd have been able to finish it
| _once_ at least.
| ttybird2 wrote:
| _" I couldn't possibly care any less about a chat client when
| the actual text editor still doesn't let you do something as
| basic as toggle word wrap"_
|
| It should be easy to do as well, given that they have an
| option for it in about:config.
| red_trumpet wrote:
| What is the current behavior? I never noticed any problems, is
| that just ignorance on my side?
| outsb wrote:
| I played around with Matrix, but it seemed to have a far too
| disproportionate number of furry porn channels for anything I'd
| want anywhere my e-mail
| ghostly_s wrote:
| a friend wants to know what server this was...
| CameronNemo wrote:
| Probably matrix.org. there are some sketchy rooms on that
| instance.
| miloignis wrote:
| Matrix is a federated protocol, so it depends on what server
| you use (including self-hosting your own). Not using it because
| a server has a lot of furry porn rooms would be like not using
| email because hotmail has furry porn.
|
| For what it's worth, I've self-hosted a matrix server for years
| for my family and friends, have participated in a reasonable
| number of rooms on the flagship matrix.org server, and have
| never run into any furry porn.
| 0des wrote:
| Don't go on the internet.
| Vladimof wrote:
| As much as I used to love Mozilla, I don't know if I can trust
| them with my e2ee (chat/etc) client...
| Anunayj wrote:
| don't trust, verify! Thunderbird is open sourced!
| criddell wrote:
| Code involving encryption is critical and also notoriously
| easy to get wrong. There aren't very many people on the
| planet who could do a meaningful audit of something as
| complex as Thunderbird.
| sundarurfriend wrote:
| Or more likely, pay someone to verify it for you!
| emptysongglass wrote:
| This is really great for family members and friends you want to
| turn on to alternative protocols for chatting. My wife already
| uses Thunderbird for email and calendar. Now Matrix is just a few
| clicks away.
| kuon wrote:
| I really like thunderbird, and I used it for a long time, but now
| I am using mutt.
|
| I realized that I was spending a lot of time in the terminal
| anyway (using vim as my daily driver) and it did fit me.
|
| What I really like, is that you can script everything, create
| macro... It is hard to setup (too me like a week to tweak), but
| now I can do everything a lot faster with less overhead that what
| I did with thunderbird.
|
| I still recommend thunderbird for less tech savvy users and I
| hope it will have a bright future.
| kdtsh wrote:
| I've wondered for a while, how does mutt work for HTML-
| formatted email and other MIME types? I compose my own emails
| with plain text, but plenty of my colleagues as well as the
| various mailing lists, official emails, and other services that
| I receive communications with use email which looks like a web
| page, and I can't really give that up.
| BlueTemplar wrote:
| You are not worried about security issues ?
|
| E-mail _really_ needs a client with (html-less) markdown
| support !
| Avamander wrote:
| Nobody stops you from sending text/markdown MIME type. It
| wouldn't even be hard to render both HTML and plaintext
| from markdown. "Just do it"
|
| The hard part is to fix anything in most common e-mail
| clients, let alone add something new. One example being
| Thunderbird - notoriously stale tickets, undocumented
| codebase and nearly impossible to get anything merged.
| Karunamon wrote:
| What I do is have HTML messages piped through 'w3m --dump'.
| 99% of the time this results in a usable representation of
| the message. The other one percent of the time, it's just
| another couple of keystrokes to load the content in your web
| browser.
| kuon wrote:
| By default I use lynx, which is a bit better than w3m with
| some content (might be my config), otherwise I have a
| keystroke to load the message in firefox, but with newsletter
| adding "view in browser button" more and more, I nearly never
| use it.
| Anthony-G wrote:
| I don't know why you're being downvoted. Having used Mutt for a
| while around the turn of the millennium, I returned to it about
| 5 years ago and I could have written this comment myself.
|
| In my time using graphical mail clients, I've used Outlook
| Express, Eudora, Netscape Messenger, Sylpheed and Thunderbird.
| Thunderbird was my favourite of them all and I wouldn't
| hesitate to recommend it to others.
| mikro2nd wrote:
| Probably being downvoted for being completely irrelevant to
| the topic at hand (Thunderbird doing Matrix).
|
| (Not downvoted by me, so just guessing here.)
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