[HN Gopher] Twitter Bluesky: A Self-Authenticating Social Protocol
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Twitter Bluesky: A Self-Authenticating Social Protocol
Author : wmf
Score : 47 points
Date : 2022-04-06 21:23 UTC (1 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (blueskyweb.xyz)
(TXT) w3m dump (blueskyweb.xyz)
| renewiltord wrote:
| Interested, but it seems a bit light on impl details. Presumably
| too early?
| wolverine876 wrote:
| For those unaware, it is/was a project of Twitter's Jack Dorsey.
| You can find many news stories covering it from when it was
| announced. Here's one:
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| https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/11/twitter-ceo-jack-dorsey-anno...
| yosito wrote:
| This rambling post from a web company I've never heard of touches
| on some interesting theories and attractive buzzwords, but it's
| overall main point is about as indecipherable as if the post had
| been autogenerated by GPT3 using the headline as the prompt. My
| unanswered questions are: who is Bluesky? What is their
| relationship with Twitter? Are they developing a tangible
| protocol that has concrete specifications, a roadmap, and path to
| adoption? Or is this just a rambling blog post about some ideas
| that could be applied to a social protocol?
| [deleted]
| iamstupidsimple wrote:
| I believe it's part of (or at least funded by) Twitter:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluesky_(protocol)
| wolverine876 wrote:
| It is/was a project of Jack Dorsey, Twitter CEO
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| https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/11/twitter-ceo-jack-dorsey-anno...
| [deleted]
| whyrusleeping wrote:
| Hello Fellow Internet User, In general, it is your own
| responsibility to keep yourself informed when commenting on
| something. The World Wide Web makes this easy with something
| called a 'hyperlink', for example, the one at the top of the
| article you read that says 'blog': https://blueskyweb.xyz/blog
| yosito wrote:
| The responsibility to communicate well does not fall on the
| reader. This blog post did not communicate well.
| wolverine876 wrote:
| The parent comment, not the GP, is against HN guidelines.
| Just downvote the GP and demonstrate appropriate
| communication.
| d4mi3n wrote:
| I don't know anything about bluesky, but I applaud any initiative
| that could provide a path away from the highly centralized web we
| find ourselves in today.
|
| Also excited to see verifiable computation as an underpinning of
| this particular initiative. It's a fun topic and technology I
| haven't seen too broadly explored.
| steve76 wrote:
| rglullis wrote:
| Forgive my cynicism, but it's been two years already since
| bluesky was announced and all we see is the occasional update
| from what seems a research project. Nothing really tangible is
| released, no extension proposal to the existing protocols is
| made, not one single proof-of-concept that shows "look, protocol
| X can not do Y, so we implemented Z".
|
| Every update from them feels more and more like an elaborate PR
| piece. Just some hot air to keep the illusion that Jack really
| cares about decentralization.
| mawise wrote:
| The linked ecosystem overview[1] is a great exploration of the
| space. However, there's no mention of IndieAuth[2] in the
| exploration of decentralized and self-sovereign identity. I'd
| love to better understand why it's been left out because it seems
| really appealing in my own explorations of the space.
|
| [1] https://gitlab.com/bluesky-community1/decentralized-
| ecosyste...
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| [2] https://indieauth.net/
| jalcine wrote:
| Strong agree. It would even allow for more seamless
| transitioning between silos and sovereign identities.
| muglug wrote:
| There's no mention here of moderation, a key ingredient to any
| social network of people who lack real-world ties to each other.
| pfraze wrote:
| It is, and we're talking with people who do trust & safety at
| Twitter to make sure we're approaching it right. To be clear,
| we're really in the early stages of the project. This post is
| just the stuff we have a clear concept about, and even that's
| just an early prototype (which we'll put on github soon). I
| could talk about some of the approaches we're looking at for
| moderation but it's just really early, and I don't want to talk
| out the wrong end. All I can say is, we talk about it a lot.
| ad404b8a372f2b9 wrote:
| Could you also talk to the web team about re-adding the
| vertical scrollbar? It's an important UI element.
| jfengel wrote:
| I really appreciate that you're at least thinking about it.
| Community is a bit like security: you can't just layer it on
| after building the "cool parts" of your system. The name
| "trust & safety" makes the parallel even more clear.
|
| It's harder to set rigorous definitions for community than it
| is for security. So it will likely change as the project
| evolves. But if you ignore it entirely, and just hope it will
| work itself out, you'll be in a continuous state of crisis-
| fighting.
| wolverine876 wrote:
| I'd go further and say that our toxic social media environments
| are a far more damaging, dangerous, and unsolved problem -
| possibly more than litterly any problem in the world, IMHO -
| than decentralized communication, and this project addresses
| the latter.
|
| And I strongly believe in decentralized social media, far
| prefer Usenet (RIP) to Twitter, and have from the start. But
| it's a solvable problem (Signal is working toward it, Matrix,
| existing solutions like Mastadon, etc.), they just need to
| attract development investment and, most of all, the hardest
| part, attract users.
|
| And Twitter seems to have bought into the toxicity, bringing in
| one of the few leading popularizers and uses of that subculture
| - trolling, mis- and disinformation, manipulation, corruption
| of power, etc. - onto their board. And rather than
| decentralizing power in our society, they've concentrated more
| of it in the richest person in the world, who already adds to
| that a cult of personality, and now has significant influence
| over one of the largest public communication forums.
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