[HN Gopher] What are startup cities for? (2021)
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What are startup cities for? (2021)
Author : luu
Score : 28 points
Date : 2022-04-02 06:41 UTC (2 days ago)
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| Apocryphon wrote:
| We only have 55 years to build Night City.
| wsinks wrote:
| Heh, according to the lore, we only have -28 years, since
| Richard Night built it in 1994.
|
| Not sure we _need_ Night City in Northern California though.
| I'm a huge fan of the fictional Cyberpunk world though. :)
|
| https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Night_City
| Apocryphon wrote:
| According to the lore, it's built exactly half-way between
| San Francisco and Los Angeles. So at Morro Bay, near San Luis
| Obispo. The impracticality of going along the coast as
| opposed to going down I-5 aside, it _would_ be interesting if
| there was a third major coastal metropolitan area like that
| (never mind the existence of San Diego!)
| gigaflop wrote:
| Some big problems I see with big new cityscape ideas is the
| 'legacy support' and 'network effect'. We can play SimCity all we
| want, but for the ideas to make an impact, they need to be
| implemented.
|
| 'Legacy support' is figuring out how to deal with the non-blank
| canvas you're starting from, if you're starting with a populated
| area. Sewer lines are already dug, buildings exist, people live
| there, etc, and now you need to solve _those_ problems, too.
|
| When's the last time a bunch of people in lower-income housing
| were happy to be forcefully relocated? Because you're not going
| to be buying land in high-income areas(due to cost, Nimbys, and
| probably being in the suburbs), and those people need to live
| _somewhere_ while the probably-union contractors go over on time
| and budget for the project.
|
| 'Network effect' is getting people to live at your site. Why is
| your cityscape more attractive than what someone else already
| lives in? And, remember that the people most likely to be able to
| afford to live in your new development may not end up living
| there full-time, since the first round of buying/leasing will
| favor those who have a bigger pile of cash. Will those people be
| a net positive to the community, or will they treat it as a
| vacation home?
| badrabbit wrote:
| I hope any new city has good bike lanes.
| jppope wrote:
| +1
| RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote:
| I feel they are 20-30 years too late.
|
| It seems like the winds have shifted.
|
| In the late 1990's to early 2000's, it really did seem like human
| conflict was winding down and all the divisions/ideologies were
| slowly being subjected to "hey, let's all get along together and
| make a lot of money". You saw that with the EU, with China,
| NAFTA, etc.
|
| After the 2008 crash and with covid, it seems things are
| changing. People are no longer willing to let go of ideology just
| to make money. Nationalism is returning. Religious fundamentalism
| is returning (see Trump, Modi, Erdogan, Orban).
|
| Hong Kong was the ultimate "startup city" with a huge amount of
| autonomy, but that is going away, as China asserts control.
|
| My guess is that in this current environment, startup cities will
| breed a lot of resentment in the surrounding areas and serve as
| easy scapegoats (see for example the Blue cities in Red states
| where there is a lot of conflict about governance and who has
| prerogative).
| ipaddr wrote:
| Your timeline includes 911.
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