[HN Gopher] Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped
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Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped
Author : jamesdco
Score : 27 points
Date : 2022-04-03 21:18 UTC (1 hours ago)
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| givinguflac wrote:
| I've disabled telemetry and such, but I really like Win11 so far.
| Had to jump through some hoops to get android apps up and
| running, but otherwise it has been smooth sailing. I'm a MacOS
| fan though so perhaps what I'm enjoying is the new things that
| make the UI more like Mac imho.
| Urgo wrote:
| The only reason I was excited for Windows 11 was the Android
| integration.
|
| When the news about Windows 11 came out I had just recently
| upgraded to a new PC, the first pre-built pc I've used for myself
| since the 90s in fact. It was nice to see though that
| Dell/Alienware was among the first to be able to get Windows 11
| so I was ready to go on launch day.
|
| Launch day came and went and windows kept saying it wasn't ready
| yet. Then one day (Jan?) the update finally came. It started the
| install.. but failed. After the failure it popped up a message
| saying it wasn't ready yet for my device.
|
| From that point on about once a week the update popped up in
| windows update and automatically started downloading, but after
| about 12% it failed and kept repeating the not yet ready message.
|
| I'm wondering if the low number is less about who wants it, but
| more about who they've released it to so far... which seems very
| very low.
|
| Also, the android integration.. though it works... does not work
| very well.. For example I wanted to be able to control a smart
| device that only has an app from my pc. It works at first, but
| then just reloads over and over again and is unusable until I
| reinstall it.
|
| Also with the keyboard I have I often fat finger and put a tiny
| little of pressure on the windows key when I hit ctrl-t. Ctrl-
| windows-t turns on and off the subsystem for android reader so I
| get to hear it telling me about that all day long.
|
| Long story short, windows 11 isn't bad.. at least when you get
| some third party tools to fix the task bar.. but not at all
| surprised the numbers are so low. But again, I think its more
| Microsoft's upgrade system's fault then users choosing not to
| install it.
| 0des wrote:
| > yet another start menu
|
| > yet more ads
|
| > requires modern hardware
|
| > more surprise updates breaking things
|
| Win11 not as popular? Imagine my shock and dismay.
|
| A sizable portion of my non-tech peers had bad experiences and
| one by one switched to Linux and the elder two switched to MacOS.
|
| Frankly I am baffled.
| samtheDamned wrote:
| > requires modern hardware
|
| *in a time when new hardware was so freakishly expensive that
| 4-5 year old hardware was being sold for more than it's
| original MSRP
| melling wrote:
| Me too. I've been reading comments like this since the Year of
| Linux first began.
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3038d4/when_was_the_...
|
| Image my shock to find out Windows still has 87% market share.
|
| I'm still unhappy that they took my Sun workstation and gave me
| a Windows PC.
| 0des wrote:
| Brenda in accounting isn't going to run Ubuntu even with the
| cute animal names. Until that happens,there will be stacks
| upon stacks of windows optiplexes being sold every day.
|
| Also nobody misses sloaris. I'm going to chalk that remark up
| to a misfired punchline.
| hotpotamus wrote:
| I doubt Brenda would care much if she was running something
| like RHEL for work since it can run a browser as good as
| anything. I assume the main thing keeping Windows around in
| her case is all the IT endpoint management stuff built
| around the MS ecosystem. Personally, I'd probably be all in
| on Ubuntu or some derivative if not for gaming.
| loloquwowndueo wrote:
| In my experience people balk when they realize they're
| not using Windows or Office. I've literally had someone
| sit in front of a Linux computer with OpenOffice and work
| fine on it until they realized "hey the title bar says
| OpenOffice Calc - it's not excel! I don't know how to use
| this!" Despite the fact they were using it just fine. At
| this point no amount of convincing made them give it
| another try - they'd just cross arms until they were put
| back in front of their known, trusty Windows computer.
|
| So I agree they don't care but there's also the "I'm not
| trained for this" fallacy.
| vyrotek wrote:
| The worst mistake was removing the ability to ungroup taskbar
| items! Opening more than one instance of an application is a
| terrible experience right now. The icons are often unresponsive,
| the indicator that something is open is literally just a tiny
| dot.
|
| Instead of addressing this I feel like Microsoft is just going to
| continue to add tabs to all their applications as justification
| for it. Edge, VS Code, Windows Terminal, and now File Explorer.
| insickness wrote:
| Some Windows 11 GUI customization tools:
|
| Start All Back https://www.startallback.com
|
| Explorer Patcher https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher
|
| Open Shell https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
| w4rh4wk5 wrote:
| I'd really like to know how much Microsoft's behavior with recent
| Windows versions pays off. Specifically bundling lots of unwanted
| apps, forcing Edge and Defender down people's throats, removing
| basic UI customization features, etc.
|
| The fact that they are still doing this today suggests that they
| get something out of these decisions. Or at least they think so.
|
| I can only imagine that the part of customers being alienated
| this way is/appears insignificant to them. I still believe
| Microsoft has the necessary resources to put out a truly great
| OS, but it looks like they don't want to.
| odonnellryan wrote:
| Gotta have some bad versions of windows so when we get an ok
| version we think it is good!
|
| It isn't like you're going to use Linux ;)
| sumthinprofound wrote:
| last I checked I would need to login to my local machine with a
| Microsoft account to do a clean install. deal breaker.
| gscott wrote:
| Before installing windows disconnect from the Internet.
| Otherwise it forces you to use a Microsoft Account.
| manwe150 wrote:
| I just set up a clean install with only a local account. It
| isn't the first option presented, but it was available
| brundolf wrote:
| This is the first time I've ever held off on a Windows update; I
| didn't even mind Windows 8
|
| From what I've seen, this one is so bad that I'm assuming they'll
| be forced to walk it back and/or dramatically rethink it, so I'm
| just holding out for that
| plusmax1 wrote:
| Tbh I like it. Except that I've disabled most of the telemetry,
| the ads, the handholding and new "features" (lots of github PS
| scripts available to 'optimize' the initial install). I've also
| installed StartAllBack to disable the new taskbar which I hate.
| Now its behaving just the way I like it and it's lean and fast.
| This, together with WSL2 I don't feel I need anything else as a
| daily driver.
| Vladimof wrote:
| Windows ME was pretty bad too
| freediver wrote:
| Feels like Microsoft is shooting itself in the foot with Win11 as
| far as consumers are concerned, and instead sees the future of
| Windows in enterprise.
| jeffdubin wrote:
| A huge number of consumers who can't upgrade to Windows 11 due to
| unsupported hardware will instead opt for an iPad or Chromebook.
| Everything is either web- or app-based, and people don't want the
| complexity of Windows. Microsoft will lose a big chunk of the
| Windows user base this way.
| supernovae wrote:
| i know more people with chromebooks and ipads they never use
| who went back to pc and enjoy windows 11..
| guidedlight wrote:
| Windows adoption is largely driven by corporations.
|
| Most corporates align on a common policy of migration to every
| second major Windows release following this pattern:
|
| Windows NT 4, Windows XP, Windows 7, Windows 10
|
| With Windows 2000, Windows Vista, and Windows 11 skipped.
|
| Which is a shame as these same corporates who have fleets of
| Apple Mac computers normally migrate annually about 6-9 months
| after each major annual MacOS release.
|
| I hypothesis the reason may be that Windows upgrades tend to be
| major IT projects with historically large testing and remediation
| activities, whereas MacOS upgrades are small, introducing a small
| number of feature enhancements. New Mac computers also are only
| compatible with the latest MacOS release further encouraging
| rapid corporate adoption.
| cameronh90 wrote:
| You forgot Windows 8. Don't worry, so did everyone else -
| probably for the best.
| smoe wrote:
| I haven't been following Windows development really, but wasn't
| 10 supposed to be "last version of Windows"? Anyone knows what
| happened to that, or if that statement has always been just
| overblown by tech media?
| buscoquadnary wrote:
| The answer comes to us through humour as it turns out the
| jester is usually the one telling the truth.
|
| https://www.theregister.com/2011/11/11/bofh_2011_episode_18/
| jerrysievert wrote:
| macOS updated to 11, can't have another os with a higher number
| or others might want it instead.
| 0des wrote:
| I guarantee if these numbers keep trending downward, Microsoft
| will just find ways to force you into upgrading, or trick you
| into upgrading like they did with windows 10 and the weirdly
| phrased update prompt options.
| aneutron wrote:
| They "tricked" my little sibling into upgrading, by essentially
| threatening that "this message will keep popping up until you
| upgrade".
| pbnjay wrote:
| I basically only have a windows PC to test compatibility of apps
| I make, and occasionally play games. MS told me I can't upgrade
| so that's the end of it for me. I don't really care enough for
| any of the new features to go buy a new PC
| uberman wrote:
| I would happily upgrade, but MS has decided that none of the
| systems I own will support it.
| 0xTJ wrote:
| Windows 11 being how it is is what finally pushed me to switch to
| Linux.
| LeoPanthera wrote:
| My gaming PC, which isn't that old (Skylake / GTX 1080) isn't
| compatible with Windows 11. It still works fine, but given that
| it will inevitably be out of date with something that requires
| Windows 11, and the current impossibility of buying reasonably
| priced GPUs, I bought a XBox instead.
|
| Microsoft gets my money anyway, I suppose, but all my real work
| is done on a Mac.
|
| It's funny how Microsoft is basically just a gaming company for
| me, now.
| annoyingnoob wrote:
| I'm running Windows 11. Its just like Windows 10 but with many
| annoying UI changes.
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