[HN Gopher] 'Sovereign chess' is a battle without loyalty or hum...
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'Sovereign chess' is a battle without loyalty or humanity (2020)
Author : amichail
Score : 129 points
Date : 2022-04-03 12:06 UTC (10 hours ago)
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| gleenn wrote:
| That just seems like a crazy amount of pieces and complexity. It
| looks cool but god strategy must be so hard. If you have played
| people who start taking long times to think through moves, I feel
| like this would basically lock people up for hours.
| SovereignChess wrote:
| On a player's opening move, their possible move options are
| identical to traditional chess, since they only control the
| pieces of their color. As they land on color squares, the move
| options can increase, but for typical chess players, the
| learning curve is not too steep.
|
| Most games end in under 40 moves...
| lordnacho wrote:
| I was going to say the same thing. The problem with creating
| complications is you need a fairly large ecosystem to ensure
| that you discover (through people playing) the many intricate
| strategic situations that can happen.
|
| It's like when you play civilization and there's a zillion ways
| to win, it leads to a lot of time being spent becoming even
| slightly familiar with the game.
| bondarchuk wrote:
| See also the recent review in Abstract Games magazine:
| https://www.abstractgames.org/gamereview23.html
| iliekcomputers wrote:
| Chess variants are very interesting. It'd be very nice if someone
| could build an online version of this actually.
| amichail wrote:
| Videos: https://www.youtube.com/user/SovereignChess/videos
| 7373737373 wrote:
| Can't find any videos of people actually playing it
| armchairhacker wrote:
| Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhq7oppTUuc, this guy does
| a lot of other board games too.
| forum_ghost wrote:
| Finally, a game that teaches principles of realpolitik?
| Andrew_nenakhov wrote:
| A long time ago I played Galaxy Plus - a variant of Galaxy PBEM
| game with simple rules and a galaxy full of races controlled by
| humans - 50 players start a game, 1-3 win in the end.
|
| It was one of the most intense gaming experience I have ever
| had. With 3 turns per week, a single game could last for a
| year, and to win you had to be a good diplomat to not get
| swarmed by your neighbors. It also taught me a lot about
| politics.
| tmsbrg wrote:
| That would be Diplomacy [0]
|
| Worth trying out online for example through webDiplomacy [1].
| It's my favourite game.
|
| [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomacy_(game)
|
| [1] https://webdiplomacy.net/
| ekanes wrote:
| What a fantastic game it is. Thanks for that link, maybe I'll
| play again.
| zzzzzzzza wrote:
| try dominions 5
| cjbgkagh wrote:
| I would play this more often but I'm running out of friends.
| aidenn0 wrote:
| Assuming this is a "diplomacy destroys friendships" joke...
|
| Games are a place where we can see culture clash in the
| small.
|
| My sister didn't speak to me for days after, having folded
| to a bluff in poker, she flipped over my hand and called me
| a cheater.
|
| To any poker player, my behavior was fine and she would be
| way out of line for revealing my cards.
|
| On the other hand, I was intentionally misleading a family
| member for personal gain at their expense, which away from
| the poker table would be a huge breach of trust
| cjbgkagh wrote:
| It's a short version of I'm running out of friends to
| play diplomacy with. Not everyone likes realpolitik as
| much as I do.
|
| In poker the adversarial aspect is clearer. In diplomacy
| you have to develop trust to later exploit it by breaking
| alliances and traitorously conspiring with enemies in a
| way that guarantees your former allies loss. The betrayal
| is more acute in a way that feels more fundamental.
| Telling them that they were naive for trusting you and
| they must do the same if they want to win tends not to go
| down so well.
| lupire wrote:
| My question is it possible to be good at Diplomacy
| without being a socio opath in real life. In poker,
| someone being good at bluffing is scary (separately from
| just being better at the math part), much like someone
| being better than you at sports is physically
| intimidating off the field because they could beat you
| up. Diplomacy even more so than poker, because
| manipulation and deceipt is the only skill in the game.
| It doesn't even have the cooperative part of the real
| world's "build something of value together" -- it's a
| zero sum or negative sum game.
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