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Fine Particulate Matter Exposure from Secondhand Cannabis Bong
Smoking
Author : WaitWaitWha
Score : 31 points
Date : 2022-03-31 20:54 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| h2odragon wrote:
| Bong resin is easier to clean than tobacco stains. tobacco turns
| into this lacquer like stuff that only smears and never lifts;
| cannabis residues are sucked right up with slightly watered
| ethanol.
|
| There's many reasons filtering your indoor air would be a good
| idea; presence of any smoke is certainly one of them. Look at
| what hits the air every time you cook, for example.
| lbotos wrote:
| If you want to use cannabis with low risk to your lungs: edibles.
|
| If you want to use cannabis with slightly lower risk than
| smoking: Vape (dry flower or carts). You can even vape through a
| bong.
|
| If you don't care at all about your lungs: smoke.
| porbelm wrote:
| Added: Smokers can reduce their nicotine intake by 50%!!!! Just
| by mixing the tobacco with weed.
|
| Smokers regularly light a cigarette every hour on average. With
| Cannabis, that might just reduce that to once every few hours!
| gmfawcett wrote:
| Insightful! While it's a bit old-fashioned, you can also
| reduce your nicotine intake by mixing every cigarette with a
| litre of vodka.
| pempem wrote:
| I died. Too funny.
| emerged wrote:
| Dry flower is more than "slightly" lower risk, I think.
|
| Especially at lower temperature.
| lbotos wrote:
| Sure, but this is HN, I'm optimizing karma for both sides
| here ;P
|
| (I agree with you though, and I eagerly await the scientific
| studies that quantify Vaping cannabis vs. smoking)
| denkmoon wrote:
| Honestly the lack of research publicly available
| investigating dry flower cannabis vaping makes me sad.
| There's basically nothing.
| ttyp3 wrote:
| Tobacco 2.0, awaiting suppression from the Cannabis Industrial
| Complex.
| porbelm wrote:
| Well of course second-hand bong smoke is not going to be safe if
| you as a non-smoker sit in a hotbox environment lol
|
| Just like the second-hand smoke debates twenty-thirty years ago
| Jeff_Brown wrote:
| While people smoke much less weed than to acco on a volume
| basis, hot boxing Is a problem fairly unique to weed smokers.
| To acco smokers aren't doing anything illegal, and to acco
| stinks, so someone's likely to want to open the window, and
| likely to convince the group to let them.
| et-al wrote:
| The SF Chronicle article is a bit more colorful:
| https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Bong-smoke-is-wo...
|
| > The research was done in the living room of an off-campus
| apartment of an undergraduate student who came up with the idea,
| according to Professor S. Katharine Hammond, who oversaw the
| study and co-wrote the report with graduate student Patton Khuu
| Nguyen. The subjects were students who supplied their own
| cannabis and bong of their choosing. They were not observed while
| partaking of the bong in the apartment. They were aware their
| recreational usage was being measured but remained anonymous
| throughout.
|
| > The experiment ran for two months in 2018 and served as the
| master's project for Nguyen. Hammond, a tenured professor who has
| been at UC Berkeley for 28 years, was his faculty adviser.
| 8bitsrule wrote:
| According to Lancet (some time back, after a half-day long search
| for actual science data online) the carcinogenicity of second-
| hand smoke particles was so low as to be immeasurable.
|
| It's also claimed SHS causes cardiovascular problems. Perhaps ...
| lots of things can do that, like food and lack of exercise.
| Accounted-for in studies?
|
| Personally, I always smoke outdoors, where my SHS mixes with the
| exhaust of the gasoline and diesel vehicles driving by. They
| haven't been outlawed yet.
| [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOx#Health_and_environment_eff...]
| vmception wrote:
| The point of these studies aren't to outlaw things, its to let
| people make more objective choices
| vmception wrote:
| Edibles.
|
| I really wish cannabis was associated with consuming jello or
| chocolate, instead of smoking something.
|
| People, even dating apps, _even doctors_ , ask "do you smoke
| weed", when they mean to ask "do you consume thc and cool with
| that" (okay doctors may be asking about lung cancer risk from
| smoking and other ways to fuck up your insurance premiums)
|
| I don't smoke anything
|
| Gummies though? Keep the supplies filled
|
| so, its the wrong question and wrong association
| [deleted]
| quickthrowman wrote:
| The duration of edibles can be trying, even for experienced
| smokers. I can't eat edibles after 5 PM on a weekday or I'm
| still high when I wake up.
| 01100011 wrote:
| Eating edibles allows your liver to get a pass at the THC
| before your brain, and it converts it to 11-hydroxy-THC which
| is more psychoactive. It is also much, much easier to overdose
| with edibles and that is a very unfun experience. I am an
| extremely experienced smoker/eater/grower/etc and when I
| screwed up some edible calculations and overdosed I almost
| called 911. It is only my absolute faith that THC has never
| killed anyone(directly) that kept me from freaking out.
| blueprint wrote:
| how much did you take?
| ptudan wrote:
| I knew a guy in college who was super straight laced, but
| went to Amsterdam and got convinced to try weed, in the form
| of a giant pastry, for the first time. I have no idea how
| much was in it but he got so freaked out that he had serious
| trauma and long lasting effects from it.
| pempem wrote:
| In fairness wouldn't this be controlled by simply providing
| more information about the consumable amount or creating
| lower dose edibles?
|
| It feels like these anecdotes, while very real, would
| equate to an unfathomable amount of smoking and so there
| needs to be more information to allow a consumer to
| understand the amount they should consume bc their body
| isn't physically restricting them
| whoopdeepoo wrote:
| Dry herb vaping is another option
| azemetre wrote:
| Wouldn't ingesting anything into your lungs be bad? How does
| vaping make it better?
| whimsicalism wrote:
| Tar, carcinogens - all much less present in dry herb
| vaping.
|
| There aren't longitudinal studies on this really though,
| and no amount of inhaling not air into your lungs is safe.
| Jeff_Brown wrote:
| Cooling the smoke might be part of the purpose of the
| water in a bong. Similarly for the long tubes on houkas.
| epgui wrote:
| Yes, pretty much anything that goes into your lungs is bad.
| Lungs are incredibly fragile. This is especially so if
| whatever you're inhaling is hot (eg.: water vapour, smoke
| from any source...).
| whimsicalism wrote:
| Source on the heat/water vapour claim?
| epgui wrote:
| Oof, a pathology class from 10 years ago, and this is
| more based on first principles than research findings.
| I'll see if I can't dig up something.
| amanaplanacanal wrote:
| Theoretically you aren't getting the particulates from
| smoke. I _assume_ it's less harmful, but has it been
| studied?
| epgui wrote:
| Caution: that's not exactly true. What you get is a
| different distribution of particulates. You'll get much
| less of the larger particulates, and you'll be inhaling
| mostly finer particulates. They cause a different pattern
| of tissue damage.
| Nuzzerino wrote:
| In 2014 I ended up in the hospital due to an abnormally high
| concentration of material in an edible. Slept through 90 degree
| heat and had potassium depletion. Woke up and immediately
| couldn't control my muscles and had arrhythmia. Thought I was
| dying. Never touched an edible again.
| dj_mc_merlin wrote:
| Surely the problem was not the edibles if sleeping in 90
| degree weather paralyzed you? I've sweated large amounts in
| my sleep, especially while sick, never have I considered I
| could sweat out enough potassium to paralyze me. Were you
| eating fine?
| latchkey wrote:
| At least in California, the stuff (especially gummies) you
| get from the dispensaries is in well controlled doses. Once
| you find your tolerance levels for a specific brand (through
| experimentation with smaller amounts) it is easy to just eat
| half of one, know you're getting X mg of THC and use that as
| a baseline. Then you just keep buying the same thing and even
| with different brands, you still have that X mg baseline to
| go from.
| pigtailgirl wrote:
| throwawayboise wrote:
| I mean, if you think secondhand tobacco smoke is bad, what basis
| is there to think that secondhand cannabis smoke is OK?
|
| For that matter, what basis is there to think that firsthand
| cannabis smoking does not have similar long-term health
| consequences as tobacco smoking? The only obvious reason I can
| think of is that most people don't smoke cannabis all day, every
| day as many cigarette smokers do.
| ttyp3 wrote:
| In my city they do, morning until night, about every 2 hours or
| so, directly entering my living space with no way to prevent
| (in each case one individual, in different buildings).
| Addiction.
| rosndo wrote:
| Maybe you should invest in a locking door so you will be able
| to prevent these people from entering your living space to
| smoke cannabis?
| xeromal wrote:
| lol, way to layer on the sarcasm. I live in a complex and I
| can smell weed every time my neighbor lights up on the
| balcony even though my door is closed. I like the guy and
| he doesn't really have an alternative so I don't mind, but
| it is a bit annoying!
| mschuster91 wrote:
| OP probably lives in a highrise with centralized air
| condition or with passive toilet vents without a backflow
| stopper.
|
| Either of these is really nasty with any kind of pungent
| odor, no matter if feces, cooking or smoking.
| Mountain_Skies wrote:
| Multifamily housing typically doesn't consist of
| hermetically sealed units. If your neighbors are doing
| something that produces odor, if it's strong enough, others
| are going to smell it in their units too. Additionally,
| shared spaces in the building often ending up smelling too.
| This isn't limited to pot smoking but it is a common enough
| occurrence that it's unreasonable to mock someone for
| mentioning it.
| Jeff_Brown wrote:
| No way for _you_ to prevent it. They could though. In college
| we exhaled into paper towel tubes filled with toilet paper.
| It 's incredibly effective.
| twofornone wrote:
| >For that matter, what basis is there to think that firsthand
| cannabis smoking does not have similar long-term health
| consequences as tobacco smoking?
|
| The vast majority of tobacco is consumed in the form of
| cigarettes, which are more of a "tobacco product" than actual
| tobacco. There is a plethora of additives and most cigarettes
| are actually composes of a nasty cardboard-like filler[0] which
| has been soaked in a processed tobacco broth. Whereas smoked
| marijuana is typically just dried plant matter.
|
| So without saying which may be better or worse, there likely is
| some sort of difference. Plus the growing processes and
| absorption characteristics of the two plants may produce
| different amounts of radioactive contaminants which probably
| contribute to the carcinogenicity of tobacco.
|
| 0. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IBAuM1fLKRk - I bet real
| tobacco is less harmful but don't quote me on that.
| amanaplanacanal wrote:
| On top of that, tobacco smokers on average probably injest
| _way_ more smoke than cannabis smokers do. Though cannabis
| smokers tend to hold the smoke in longer.
| tonguez wrote:
| absolutely shocking and mindblowing that inhaling smoke is bad
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