[HN Gopher] Brain wave signals during sleep show how risk-seekin...
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       Brain wave signals during sleep show how risk-seeking people may be
        
       Author : rajnathani
       Score  : 16 points
       Date   : 2022-03-30 10:45 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | ninesnines wrote:
       | I have some serious doubts about the conclusions of this paper -
       | if think studies like this are extremely dangerous to the field
       | in general.
        
       | arisAlexis wrote:
       | You can correlate those brain waves with anything really:
       | predisposed to eat oranges to climb hills, likes color blue. Even
       | infinitely small p won't save those studies.
        
         | marcosdumay wrote:
         | How many constellations can you find on the data points?
         | 
         | Running a linear correlation over them must be a practical
         | joke.
        
         | FranchuFranchu wrote:
         | I'm not knowledgeable about statistics and studies like this in
         | general; do you mean this is a "green jelly beans cause acne"
         | [1] situation, where you test for many hypotheses and one of
         | them turns out to be significant?
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         | [1]: https://xkcd.com/882/
        
       | yodon wrote:
       | The graph in the summary showing "SWA in the right PFC" is almost
       | comically unconvincing.
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       | Remove the two or three most extreme data points and the effect
       | disappears completely. Even removing a single one of those
       | extreme data points is probably enough to toss the significance
       | of the fit and be fully consistent with zero correlation.
        
         | misnome wrote:
         | But it says p=0.004 so it must be a good result!!!!!
        
         | gus_massa wrote:
         | The full article has 5 of these graphs. I'm staring at them and
         | I still can't believe the tiny p values. Is the data of the
         | graph available? Can someone repeat those graphs and explain
         | the small p values?
         | 
         | [My guess is that the slope is caused by the cluster at
         | (SWA=150%, Risk=2m) in the graph.]
        
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