[HN Gopher] No news is good news
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       No news is good news
        
       Author : vitabenes
       Score  : 147 points
       Date   : 2022-03-28 14:21 UTC (8 hours ago)
        
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       | time_to_smile wrote:
       | > News makes you scared of highly dramatic and highly unlikely
       | events (plane crashes, shark attacks, terrorism etc) while also
       | being oblivious to insidious and creeping risks that are low-key
       | and hard to make dramatic and visual (say antibiotic resistance
       | or indeed chronic stress caused by being in a news-induced
       | perpetual state of physiological arousal).
       | 
       | This is perhaps one of the most important points in this post
       | that's buried pretty deep in the article.
       | 
       | The author here is not advocating for "head-in-the-sand"
       | avoidance of reality.
       | 
       | Often when I see real, systemic issues brought up on HN or
       | elsewhere: climate, the overshoot of industrial society, resource
       | depletion etc. These concerns are often dismissed as "the media
       | just wants you anxious!". But, by and large, the real scary
       | pieces of information about these topics _are not published by
       | major media_.
       | 
       | The media wants you anxious, but not so concerned that you
       | seriously question our mainstream mode of life. You should worry
       | about nuclear war with Russia, but not about the war for natural
       | gas that's really going on. You should be anxious about climate
       | change, but only enough to make you recycle, not so much that you
       | question the economic system that is fundamentally unstable.
        
         | beaconstudios wrote:
         | The media is owned by powerful corporations and individuals,
         | but at the same time it's profitable to keep people in
         | heightened emotional states. So on one hand they want to induce
         | fear and anxiety, but at the same time they don't want to give
         | anyone real concerns about the world we live in that might
         | cause them to want to disempower the media's owners.
        
       | spansoa wrote:
       | "If you don't read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do
       | read the newspaper, you are misinformed."
       | 
       | Which is a hard problem. Personally though, I do a quick skim of
       | the news each morning just so that I know we haven't nuked each
       | other to death or that a new pandemic-like world event hasn't
       | happened. I enjoy Reuters, Associated Press, and a local news
       | feed for my area. Sumi.news[0] is great too if you want to
       | essentially scan & skim the whole Internet in one fell swoop.
       | 
       | [0] https://sumi.news/
        
         | gnicholas wrote:
         | Ironically, though not surprisingly, that Mark Twain quote
         | appears to be apocryphal:
         | https://quoteinvestigator.com/2016/12/03/misinformed/
        
           | stjohnswarts wrote:
           | Most of them are.
        
       | Arainach wrote:
       | The idea that only local news affects me is simply wrong, because
       | the world is connected and things are influential.
       | 
       | I do not live in Texas, but the Texas legislature restricting
       | access to healthcare and allowing citizens to sue providers
       | affects because certain political parties will treat that as a
       | template for laws across the country, including in my area.
       | 
       | The Florida legislature trying to ban books and discussion of
       | topics once again sets precedent that will become attempted law
       | in my area.
       | 
       | People need to be aware of these efforts to know what to look for
       | in their community and to prepare to counter such efforts.
       | Information spreads and strategies are organized. Waiting until
       | something is in my local area before trying to respond is
       | guaranteed to lose.
       | 
       | Even on a large scale, knowing about international conflict made
       | me aware that I should stockpile Baltic Birch plywood before its
       | price skyrocketed. Reading the news saved me hundreds of dollars.
       | 
       | Fundamentally, ignoring the news is a luxury afforded to those
       | who benefit from the current power structure. If you are well off
       | and white, yes, you can probably ignore the news. If a subset of
       | the government is constantly trying to find ways to harass you,
       | deny you the right to vote or get healthcare, you have to be
       | aware of things to prepare for and effectively counter them.
        
       | kn0where wrote:
       | Looks like the author reached a very similar conclusion as Aaron
       | Swartz: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/hatethenews
        
       | gumby wrote:
       | I have been a very strong adherent of this philosophy for over 30
       | years.
       | 
       | There's an adage, "there's nothing as worthless as yesterday's
       | news". Which led me to wonder, "was it even worth knowing
       | yesterday?"
       | 
       | I realized the solution was a low pass filter.
       | 
       | I first switched to a seven-page newspaper (CSM) delivered
       | through the mail. I realised the editors had to figure out
       | whether it would still be interesting by the time it arrived and
       | important enough to take up space in the paper.
       | 
       | I soon switched to a weekly newspaper (The Economist) and
       | monthlies. I haven't looked back. The nice thing about a paper
       | like the economist is remained relatively small (few pages) so
       | had to make the same class of decision as the CSM, rather than
       | expand the paper.
       | 
       | I also have an RSS list of trade journals and such that I skim
       | once a week, reading the odd title that looks interesting. Most
       | of the time it's only a handful of articles.
       | 
       | As for the high frequency stuff and stuff outside my bubble: I
       | still talk to people and so I hear about stray stories. I do find
       | it interesting that I have yet to have anyone bring up the
       | Ukraine situation. At all.
        
         | baxtr wrote:
         | So how exactly did you find out about the war and when?
        
           | gumby wrote:
           | Probably the economist, though it might have been mentioned
           | on HN
        
             | baxtr wrote:
             | You don't consider HN as daily changing news?
        
               | gumby wrote:
               | Read my other comments in this thread about HN, but I
               | mainly do a title skim, and a topic that's an outlier but
               | appears on the front page might cause me to look. Also I
               | do comment and follow up.
        
         | escapedmoose wrote:
         | Similar to you, I keep my news limited to the local Sunday
         | paper, HN, and word of mouth. Unlike you, I've found that
         | Ukraine seems to be all anyone wants to talk about lately.
        
         | verisimi wrote:
         | What Ukraine situation? :)
        
           | verisimi wrote:
           | It was just a bad joke! :'(
           | 
           | ...maybe it was _that_ bad and it deserves all the downvotes,
           | but given the context of the previous comment, I didn 't
           | think it was so awful...
        
         | bradlys wrote:
         | > I still talk to people and so I hear about stray stories. I
         | do find it interesting that I have yet to have anyone bring up
         | the Ukraine situation. At all.
         | 
         | Could be your own bubble. Most everyone in my circle has
         | brought it up. Many of us brought it up because we know people
         | who are from Ukraine or have lived there extensively. I live
         | and work in SV. Lots of Ukrainians work and live here.
        
         | dragontamer wrote:
         | > I do find it interesting that I have yet to have anyone bring
         | up the Ukraine situation.
         | 
         | Speaking of "weekly" discussions, the Ukraine situation has
         | been brought up in my weekly Church prayers since it started.
         | 
         | Generally speaking, if it a current event that the Priests make
         | 2 or 3 "intentions" for (in the Catholic mass, the prayers that
         | occur after the Homily but before the preparations), its an
         | incredible event. In many situations, the words are vague so
         | that it applies to as broadly as possible (ex: there usually is
         | something about wars and disasters), but Ukraine specifically
         | is brought up in those prayers in my experience.
         | 
         | Which makes sense, the suffering and pains of that country are
         | the greatest seen in many decades.
         | 
         | --------
         | 
         | Generally speaking, the intentions are specific to the parish
         | community (pray for X who died last week) and local. Sometimes,
         | a "sister parish" from another side of the world get their
         | intentions emailed to our Church (ex: a hurricane that affects
         | Haiti will be brought up, because our "sister-Parish" is in
         | Haiti, so their "local" issues are brought up in our prayers as
         | well. My current Parish doesn't have a sister-parish, but my
         | last one had one in Haiti). For a global event to be brought up
         | in specific terms (more so than just "prayer to end wars". But
         | a specific "prayer to help the people of Ukraine") is pretty
         | rare.
        
           | bckr wrote:
           | I am greatly in support of Ukraine and the destruction of the
           | invaders, but
           | 
           | > the suffering and pains of that country are the greatest
           | seen in many decades
           | 
           | Could this really be true?
        
             | gumby wrote:
             | Seems unlikely given wars that are going on now, like
             | Yemen, or resource wars like Congo, or genocide like Burma,
             | Rwanda, Cambodia...
             | 
             | Humans' abilities to make others suffer continually amazes
             | and horrifies me.
        
               | bckr wrote:
               | This gets at what I was talking about. I think people in
               | other regions have also suffered greatly. This is not to
               | detract from the suffering of the Ukrainians, but is just
               | to clarify the facts.
        
             | dragontamer wrote:
             | > Could this really be true?
             | 
             | The shear amount of large-scale artillery barrages going on
             | is large enough to be picked up by NASA's FIRMS satellite.
             | And there seems to be many Twitter threads where people
             | collect information from that FIRMS / Forest Fire satellite
             | to document the artillery strikes in realtime.
             | 
             | Not even in the earlier wars of Russian aggression (Second
             | Chechen War or Georgia War) seem to have this level of
             | artillery.
             | 
             | That being said: a fair amount of it is Ukrainians counter-
             | artillery striking Russians and fighting back (which
             | Chechnya and Georgia were largely unable to do
             | effectively). So perhaps your point is that Ukraine isn't a
             | one-sided massacre and has mounted at least some effective
             | means of defense?
             | 
             | Ukraine would be suffering more if Russia managed to get
             | within Artillery Strike of Kyiv for example, but the
             | Ukrainian forces have stalled out that advance... largely
             | keeping Kyiv safe from destruction (well... to a greater
             | degree than we've seen so far anyway). Mariupol on the
             | other hand isn't as lucky, and widespread artillery is
             | clearly being used upon that city.
             | 
             | With humanitarian corridors closed, its clear that Mariupol
             | is being sieged, Leningrad style, and there's widespread
             | reports of starvation to death. There's also reports of
             | many civilians being transferred to Russian camps. Then
             | there are also the famous "hospital strikes" and "theater
             | strikes" have have killed hundreds alone.
             | 
             | ------
             | 
             | But I guess you're right. Things could be worse for some
             | other cities / areas who were unable to fight back against
             | their oppressors. Most of the genocide events of the past
             | decades are pretty horrible as well.
             | 
             | But there needs to be something to be said about the huge,
             | large-scale use of artillery that really hasn't been seen
             | since WW2-era mass combat.
        
             | kashunstva wrote:
             | > Could this really be true?
             | 
             | In the years following the Second World War, a timeframe
             | that could be construed as 'many decades', I'd call it
             | true.
             | 
             | Unless your reading of the referent is 'all humans
             | everywhere' in which case, it's probably debatable. Either
             | way, it's bad.
        
         | coffeefirst wrote:
         | What's interesting about this is you picked:
         | 
         | 1. Extremely high quality publications. 2. In a controlled
         | manner.
         | 
         | That's not "no news" at all, it's a healthy relationship to
         | quality news.
        
           | gumby wrote:
           | Good point. I interpret "nothing as worthless" to mean
           | "extremely low worth, but not necessarily nil" and indeed
           | instead of "worth" I could say "worth in aggregate"
           | 
           | Clearly there things worth knowing and not all of them were
           | by Aristotle, Bach, Newton or Wittgenstein:-). The low pass
           | filter screens put the froth; the selection of sources, the
           | dross.
           | 
           | Not that I even read every article in The Economist, but I do
           | read about things I wouldn't notice or bother to were I
           | reading from the firehose.
           | 
           | Side point: great thing about HN is that someone can say
           | "here's a clarification or contradiction in what you said"
           | and have it often _not_ be hairsplitting, so can spark a
           | conversation rather than shut one down.
        
         | sedatk wrote:
         | How does HN fit in this picture?
        
           | gumby wrote:
           | That's a great question! I do scan titles from an RSS feed
           | more often than one might expect but ignore what I think of
           | as "froth". More example while a "show HN" might be like
           | catnip to me, in reality I skip most of them (sorry, brave
           | show-ers, you guys are great).
           | 
           | I'm not much of a social media conversationalist but I do
           | find the discourse level of HN in the topics that interest me
           | typically high enough that I often learn from it, thus it's
           | worth it and fun to participate.
           | 
           | (Discourse quality is bimodal but that's true at a cocktail
           | party too, even one full of nerds)
        
       | redleggedfrog wrote:
       | I would have commented on this post except I didn't see it.
        
       | mdb31 wrote:
       | Yeah, well, no. You can't really function in society these days
       | without following 'The News' to at least some extent.
       | 
       | That doesn't mean you should buy into the '24h News Cycle' or the
       | 'Extremism-inducing-filter-bubble', though. Myself, I don't pay
       | any attention to 'The News', except as delivered on paper once-a-
       | week via The Economist(1), and daily via their 'The World in
       | Brief' email.
       | 
       | So, this morning, I learned that 'At one point an actor slapped a
       | comedian, sending the internet into a frenzy' -- which is, like,
       | all I needed to know, right?
       | 
       | Footnotes: (1) Yes, which is a relatively right-wing, centrist if
       | you will, publication. I love it, especially disagreeing with
       | it...
        
         | beaconstudios wrote:
         | In what way can you not function in society? Is that just in
         | the sense that the news creates common cultural touchpoints for
         | people to chat about around the water cooler? If so, as you say
         | you don't really need to be that engaged to know the gist of
         | what's going on. An occasional glance at a reputable, less-
         | doomscrolly news source like the Econ, BBC, NYT or something
         | like that should suffice.
        
           | mdb31 wrote:
           | I'm not sure we disagree? If you read The Economist weekly,
           | you should be fine (although you can still be caught out not
           | knowing about, say, today's Oscar's <tm, now go away>
           | scandal.
           | 
           | But completely disconnecting from 'The News'? That won't work
           | at all these days, I'm afraid. I quite vividly experienced
           | this a while ago when I returned from living in the US to my
           | native Netherlands: I was completely unaware of some
           | extremely-popular local hit songs. So, when people quoted
           | these to me, I just didn't get the reference, like, at all.
           | This caused quite some awkward moments.
           | 
           | Now, magnify that experience to the world stage...
        
             | EsperHugh wrote:
             | > That won't work at all these days, I'm afraid
             | 
             | I'm afraid I don't follow your point. Saying that something
             | "won't work at all these days" means that there are
             | meaningful, and I stress: meaningful, aspects of our life
             | that totally break down in the absence of said thing. An
             | occasional few seconds of awkwardness (which is a totally
             | fine emotion to feel) regarding some celeb drama is, in all
             | honesty, insignificant. You didn't talk about being fired
             | or being shunned, being discriminated or being laughed at;
             | you presented a very very bland example equivalent to
             | admitting to your colleagues that you didn't notice a new
             | coffee machine was installed. Maybe you suffer from a
             | mental condition that amplifies these emotions so much that
             | you can't stand that occasional awkwardness, but I don't
             | see how that justifies defending being addicted to the news
             | cycle.
        
             | beaconstudios wrote:
             | oh yeah I wasn't disagreeing with you, just trying to think
             | about what you meant. I agree, you probably want to know
             | the basic pop-cultural and international goings-on in order
             | to not be left out of conversations.
        
             | haswell wrote:
             | I'm still not seeing the need for "The News" here. There's
             | no reason not to follow your interests/hobbies. And there
             | are other ways to catch up on world events without the
             | daily drip of sensationalism. The author isn't saying you
             | shouldn't read anything ever.
             | 
             | But you don't need to read the front page of CNN every day
             | to stay up to date on the latest music. In fact, you'd be
             | much better served by reading publications focused on that
             | - the opposite of consuming the content meant for mass
             | consumption.
             | 
             | People quote things that I don't recognize all of the time.
             | This is likely to happen for all kinds of reasons, e.g.
             | generational gaps and not just because you stopped reading
             | the daily headlines.
             | 
             | I think what you're highlighting is that getting off the
             | news hype cycle might make people around you notice. But a
             | different response to that would be to have a conversation
             | about why you unplugged.
             | 
             | That's what I do, and it leads to some interesting
             | conversations.
             | 
             | Only you can decide if the personal cost of continuing to
             | consume is worthwhile just to maintain a certain vocabulary
             | so you can continue socializing as you always have.
             | 
             | This isn't a value judgement by the way, just an
             | observation.
        
         | eyeundersand wrote:
         | > [The Economist] is a relatively right-wing, centrist if you
         | will, publication.
         | 
         | A comment above, in response to the publication being labelled
         | as having "a sharp left / European bias" says:
         | 
         | > The rest of the world would mostly call it "left-leaning", or
         | maybe "radical centrist".
         | 
         | I would probably categorize it as centrist myself, but it's
         | funny how confirmation bias works.
        
       | horse90 wrote:
       | Yes. I'd also recommend abstaining from forums and anything
       | bearing even a resemblance to scroll-down variety.
        
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       | palidanx wrote:
       | On kind of a random tangent, during the early pandemic I began
       | reading a ton of cookbooks. I found it interesting how the
       | quality of recipes and techniques was so vastly better than
       | anything I found online.
       | 
       | I think a similar item is happening with news. Online news is
       | rather superficial where really long form things like books can
       | give you the reflection to think.
        
         | escapedmoose wrote:
         | I was given a fantastic cookbook (Joy of Cooking) around the
         | start of the pandemic. I used to _loathe_ cooking. Now I'm
         | hoarding cookbooks and look forward to trying new recipes.
         | Turns out my problem the whole time was relying on garbage-tier
         | internet recipes. Maybe it's extreme, but I now refuse to make
         | any recipe from the internet. It's not worth it.
        
           | palidanx wrote:
           | Sending you here to a rabbit hole:
           | 
           | https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/good-food/favorite-
           | cookbo...
           | 
           | (unfortunately there isn't a good food filter)
           | https://www.kcrw.com/categories/books
           | 
           | Store just with cookbooks only in SF
           | 
           | https://omnivorebooks.myshopify.com/
        
       | telesilla wrote:
       | How important news is too you depends on your relationship to
       | where the news is coming from. In times of disaster, we pay
       | greater attention to those places we are most familiar with, or
       | emotionally attached to.
       | 
       | Before email was so prevalent, my mother said the same thing when
       | me and my siblings went travelling overseas for months at a time
       | without calling. Now, she's in contact with us a few times a week
       | and acting as the central news source for us all.
       | 
       | So of course: if one of us was in a country that was having some
       | "news" she'd pay extra attention and reach out to share what's
       | going on with us and the entire family.
        
       | nitwit005 wrote:
       | If I insisted reading history was damaging, I suspect many people
       | would object. The news is just history playing out; a daily dose
       | of non-fiction with my coffee.
       | 
       | There are, of course, a lot of terrible news sources. Many of
       | which seem more aimed at creating outrage than anything else.
       | Consumption of those may indeed be an issue.
        
       | krisoft wrote:
       | Ridiculous. There is one reason I read news, and it is stronger
       | now than ever.
       | 
       | I started reading news when I was about 14 and this was my
       | reasoning: "There were Jews in nazi germany who could have
       | escaped the horrors but didn't. Some, not all, but some had the
       | resources to emigrate, to run, but they either didn't see the
       | danger coming, or didn't believe it will get as bad as it got, or
       | had too deep roots to move themselves. I will want to be like the
       | Jews who escaped, who kept their eyes open and realised what is
       | coming and went and saved their life and their loved ones life."
       | And that's why I started reading news. In case there are people
       | thinking about killing me and mine I can bolt.
       | 
       | Now excuse my 14 year old self's naive understanding of history.
       | It is never as easy as just that. But certainly there are dangers
       | in life. I want to avoid those dangers. I want my loved ones to
       | avoid those dangers. And here I don't mean the dangers of idk
       | toxins in this and that normal foodstuff, or the dangers of
       | strange man hiding in the dark. Those are catchy images, but
       | statistically speaking they are not worth worrying about.
       | 
       | So what kind of dangers do I mean then? Normally I just say "i
       | will know when I see it", but sadly we have a very clear and
       | present example. I heard about the possibility of the Russian
       | invasion first thing last November. I did recognise that it has
       | the potential of being very bad and if I would have had family
       | and loved ones in Ukraine I would have tried to make them move to
       | a safer place. And increasingly as the signal grew I would have
       | exerted more effort to make that happen. I hope that if I would
       | have had family in Ukraine they would not be there by the start
       | of the invasion. (And I know this also has a component of not
       | just being well informed, but also having resources. I recognise
       | my privilege.)
       | 
       | So that's why I'm reading news. To gather the temperature of the
       | pot I'm swimming in with my loved ones. And I also understand
       | that this makes me prone to overreact, and that is fine. I would
       | rather be the pigeon who nervously flitters about than the pigeon
       | who got eaten by the cat.
        
         | pdonis wrote:
         | Did the Jews who escaped Nazi Germany know to do that because
         | of what they were reading in the news?
         | 
         | I get that we all want to avoid dangers and that knowing about
         | them in advance helps. I just question whether reading the news
         | is a good way to do that.
        
           | krisoft wrote:
           | Are you asking about the historical facts? I don't know. Not
           | my speciality, and I don't want to say something which might
           | be not true.
           | 
           | Are you asking about the younger me's understanding of this
           | question? I can answer that. Understand the following in this
           | light:
           | 
           | My understanding that their persecution was not a bolt from
           | the blue. Politicians were agitating against them. There were
           | speeches, there were marching demonstrations, then there were
           | aggression against individuals. Shops burnt down etc. It
           | wasn't like yesterday was everything A-okay, and today you
           | are sitting in a cattle car heading to a gas chamber.
           | 
           | > I just question whether reading the news is a good way to
           | do that.
           | 
           | I understand that. And I agree with you it is better to be
           | skeptical about these things. But on the other hand with
           | Ukraine I had a good 5 monthish heads-up. Maybe 2 month if
           | i'm calculating from the "my spidersense is tingling enough
           | that I would start walking out with nothing but the clothes I
           | have on my back if I must" moment. So in the present day it's
           | hard to convince me that it's not a good way to do that. One
           | of course also needs a head solidly attached to their
           | shoulders, and a good mind in it, but that's always needed
           | for everything.
        
       | rootusrootus wrote:
       | IMO news comes in two flavors, one of which should be avoided
       | like the plague it is, and one which you should pay somewhat
       | close attention to (relatively). The first, national and
       | international news. And the second being local news. We should
       | embrace the local journalists who shine light on local politics.
        
       | arubania2 wrote:
       | I tend to agree; I don't really follow news myself. If there's
       | anything big going on, I'd know anyway.
       | 
       | But IMO there are two blind spots in that philosophy:
       | 
       | - If everybody did that, even the big things would not propagate.
       | You'd only know there is a war going on if you heard the bombs.
       | 
       | - Voting becomes a problem. Since everything you hear is from
       | people around you, it is most likely an opinion, which you will
       | then echo. Also you might miss stuff which would affect your
       | opinion, but which your friends didn't care for.
        
       | allemagne wrote:
       | I think this is a great and useful perspective. The most salient
       | point being that "fake news" and "bias" and "balance" is a red
       | herring to the much bigger problem of "news" in general. The
       | near-universal acceptance that one can and should have firm
       | opinions about complex ongoing events, some constant stream of
       | incomprehensible information that is most likely completely
       | unrelated to you, is the actual problem. I think the author is
       | basically spot on here.
       | 
       | Where I think it breaks down is the prescription that everyone
       | can necessarily separate themselves from "news". I think this is
       | increasingly infeasible. Even if you, personally, don't buy a
       | subscription or scroll twitter, I don't think it's too outlandish
       | to expect that people around you in your family or community
       | might take action based on some national or international news
       | that is admittedly basically pointless. Are you supposed to
       | righteously shut down every news-related conversation about that
       | you're a part of?
       | 
       | More broadly this also runs into the absurdity of trying to
       | define arbitrary boundaries around "news". You're just begging
       | your unconscious mind to label subjects you are personally
       | uncomfortable with as "news" and therefore not worthy of
       | considering.
       | 
       | So removing "news" from your life as much as possible, or at
       | least separating if from yourself and your ego to some
       | significant extent, can really only be part of the answer and is
       | also by definition an endless uphill battle. I don't think
       | there's any getting away from the need for a broader media
       | literacy.
       | 
       | Also:
       | 
       | >And perhaps there is something to that, given that my online
       | avatar is a pixelated rendering of Stanczyk the Court Jester. But
       | jesters are kept around because they say what needs to be said.
       | And they express these unpopular messages with enough wit and
       | entertainment that the kings let them keep their heads and indeed
       | value their council.
       | 
       | This faux-humility disclaimer made me cringe. I thought this was
       | a good piece overall, but this made me almost close the tab.
       | Don't do this. They already opened the blog post, don't
       | desperately plead with your reader that you promise that your
       | thoughts are worth reading.
        
       | ppalata wrote:
       | I would really like to follow this advice and stop reading news
       | completely. But I like talking to people and generally, news is
       | among the most commonly discussed topics. Furthermore, it helps
       | me evaluate if I have similar opinions to the person I'm talking
       | to (and thus the conversation is likely to continue someday). The
       | article doesn't mention how to fulfil this need and it seems that
       | I would become isolated if I decided to really follow it. I agree
       | with the assessment but I don't know how to fix the problem I've
       | mentioned.
        
       | anonymousiam wrote:
       | This reminds me of the ancient "no news" joke:
       | 
       | https://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/92q4/badnews.html
        
       | 1270018080 wrote:
       | I have:
       | 
       | - Deleted facebook
       | 
       | - Unfollowed any news accounts and use Ublock to block suggested
       | content on Twitter
       | 
       | - Unsubscribed from any news subreddits
       | 
       | - Of course never check news sites
       | 
       | And honestly feel better overall and less stressed. Sure you can
       | claim being apathetic/ignorant towards global current events
       | makes me a bad person, but I do not care. To me, no human is
       | designed to handle as much information input as we experience
       | today.
        
         | watwut wrote:
         | > And honestly feel better overall and less stressed. Sure you
         | can claim being apathetic/ignorant towards global current
         | events makes me a bad person, but I do not care.
         | 
         | I would not say so. But, I would expect you to NOT be outspoken
         | and confident when someone else starts to speak about stuff
         | related to current issues. And I would expect you to check
         | yourself especially when it seems like the other person is
         | saying something you intuitively disagree with, because chance
         | that they are simply better informed is high.
         | 
         | It is quite possible you do it, I don't want to imply that.
         | But, I have met quite a few people who don't follow news
         | (proudly) but then are full of opinions about issues they don't
         | follow.
        
           | vinyl7 wrote:
           | That's the second part of de-stressing. First, stop watching
           | news. Second, stop having an opinion on everything because at
           | the end of the day nobody's opinion matters.
        
             | IHLayman wrote:
             | "Stop having an opinion on everything because at the end of
             | the day nobody's opinion matters."
             | 
             | ...don't you see how nihilist this sounds? And also
             | unrealistic. You will have opinions, everyone has opinions
             | and beliefs and feelings or else they wouldn't be able to
             | function on a day to day basis. There is a scale to beliefs
             | and opinions, based on how informed those beliefs and
             | opinions are, and how well they mesh with conditions in
             | your everyday life. It's important to inform your opinions
             | and beliefs; the news, however flawed in its current state,
             | forms at least one source of that information.
             | 
             | I think that taking all of this as one absolute or another
             | is unnecessarily polarizing this debate. It is very easy to
             | argue that them news media economy is quite poisonous, but
             | that doesn't mean that all of the information is useless.
             | For example: I need to prepare for a storm that is
             | approaching the area, I need to know if a COVID wave is
             | nearing so I know to be more careful, I need to know if
             | parking rules change or trash day is being moved. These
             | immediate events affect my actions directly and so I must
             | pay attention, sifting through the other crap as necessary.
             | 
             | But even beyond that, this resignation to political
             | nihilism is societally destructive. Like it or not, we are
             | all connected in a society. Our actions affect others. We
             | have shared infrastructure and services we all contribute
             | to and benefit from. Part of that responsibility is a
             | participation in politics. Is it currently toxic and
             | despairing? Certainly. But sticking your head in the sand
             | isn't an option, as we depend on cooperation in order to
             | preserve a society on any level and that requires
             | coordination.
             | 
             | Should we reduce our news consumption? Of course. But we
             | also shouldn't eschew all outside information and live in a
             | self-imposed bubble. Maybe skip the entertainment section
             | and focus on stuff that impacts you directly. If there is
             | something that is shallowly followed by the news that
             | sounds important, of course dig into longer-form articles
             | until you understand it in full or discard it if it is
             | important. Discretion matters.
        
             | watwut wrote:
             | That was general attitude in post communist countries. I
             | remember that well and had same opinion.
             | 
             | Later on, I realized that was what made us risk slipping
             | back... and likely was contributed factor to why Russia
             | actually slipped back to authoritarian, oppressive and
             | aggressive. The countries that moved more toward democratic
             | did so thinks to people who were not apathetic.
        
             | t0bia_s wrote:
             | "...because at the end of the day nobody's opinion
             | matters."
             | 
             | This is a danger that is in my opinion developed by over-
             | consuming news and information from many sources. Of
             | course, it is generally good to take news from multiple
             | sources but if you are not payed for dig in information,
             | you won't have much time to get deeply into problem and
             | finally you just stay on the shallow top - which naturally
             | let to resign on any opinion, because everything seems to
             | be relative. It is not, it is simply a lack of invested
             | time into subject.
             | 
             | Matrix 4 btw speaks a little bit about it if you pay
             | attention.
             | 
             | On the other hand it is perfectly fine to say "I don't
             | know". Which is not what we are learning at schools. We are
             | persecuted to say that unfortunately. And here we are...
             | Everyone has opinions on everything.
        
           | 1270018080 wrote:
           | If you ask me my opinion on most issues my answer is going to
           | be "I don't know" or "I don't care".
           | 
           | And that's the right answer that should be used by more
           | people.
        
         | depaya wrote:
         | I agree with the general concept that, at the individual level,
         | news consumption is bad for your mental health and pretty much
         | useless. At the societal level though... if everybody took this
         | approach there would be no accountability for politicians or
         | corporations.
         | 
         | How do we find a healthy middle ground?
        
           | anthk wrote:
           | >How do we find a healthy middle ground?
           | 
           | In Europe we had teletext. In Spanish, but you get the
           | concept:
           | 
           | https://www.rtve.es/television/teletexto/noticias/129/
           | 
           | Small paragraphs. Almost no bias. News condensed to be read
           | on a small tv. No bullshit, no yellow journalism. Raw and
           | short.
           | 
           | Teletext as shown on old TVs:
           | 
           | https://live.staticflickr.com/1453/25222724604_15d7a974a2_b..
           | ..
           | 
           | Now they should create pages like this. Like
           | https://lite.cnn.io or https://text.npr.org, but with small
           | content, too. Not just the design.
        
           | brimble wrote:
           | Check in once every few months. That's plenty. Done. [EDIT]
           | Exception for local news. Maybe every week or two.
           | 
           | Use the extra time to read books on political science,
           | economics, and history. Maybe some media studies. You'll be a
           | better voter doing that instead of following the news
           | closely. It's not as if it should have taken someone who knew
           | nothing about either person, but a lot about the actual
           | issues and how politics works, a ton of time to figure out if
           | they wanted to vote for Trump or Biden. 20 minutes of
           | googling right before going to the polls should have been
           | enough.
        
         | shantnutiwari wrote:
         | > Sure you can claim being apathetic/ignorant towards global
         | current events makes me a bad person, but I do not care.
         | 
         | 100% agree. The Media complex is the one that keeps pretending
         | news is important-- its like a drug dealer saying drugs are
         | important.
        
         | Pasorrijer wrote:
         | 100% agree. I think the 24hr news cycle is a huge contributor
         | to negative mental health.
         | 
         | When we travelled to the in-laws over the most recent holidays,
         | the news was always on, and always talked about and my wife and
         | I both commented afterwards it felt like an oppressive blanket
         | of stress was laid over everything while we were there.
        
       | black_puppydog wrote:
       | Humm... reading the news saved me from entering into an expensive
       | and hard-to-reverse lease in a teeny-tiny Paris apartment just
       | weeks before the lockdowns. I'd have gone nuts there.
       | 
       | More topical still, reading the (right kind of) news got people
       | to evacuate their folks from Ukraine just in time before it
       | became really dangerous.
       | 
       | Sure, those may be once-in-a-lifetime events, but still.
       | 
       | I'll happily accept that I'm reading too much ( _way_ too much)
       | news though.
        
       | groby_b wrote:
       | Ah yes. Reading the news is useless in the sense that reading the
       | mainstream news is useless. It's both deliberately (pushing a
       | narrative) and by incompetence (Gell Mann Amnesia) wrong more
       | often than not.
       | 
       | That doesn't mean cutting yourself off from the world is wrong.
       | Large outlier events often cast shadows (Covid, Ukraine war) and
       | if you're in the path of the outlier events, knowing early pays
       | off.
       | 
       | The hard question is, how do you see the large shadows without
       | having to twitch at every small event. The answer to this is, to
       | some extent, mentioned in the article - expensive, subscription-
       | based newsletters. It's still not the full answer. There are too
       | many areas to pay attention to. Best answer I've found so far is
       | having a group of friends & contacts with wide-ranging interests.
        
       | beamatronic wrote:
       | I spent my life trying to be a well-informed investor. It turns
       | out that all you have to do is buy real assets when you are young
       | and just hold them forever. And don't ever sell anything. That's
       | it. As long as the world is relatively peaceful you will get
       | rich.
        
       | allturtles wrote:
       | I agree with some of the premises of this article, that much of
       | the news is actually of negative value, but I have some problems
       | with this part:
       | 
       | > If an event is actually important to your real life, you will
       | find out about it. Such news will find you.
       | 
       | > Well, from my experience you ignore all of the things you
       | cannot control and that have little bearing on your life (again,
       | if there is some news that will actually effect your life you'll
       | hear about it)
       | 
       | Here is the crux. There are actually important things we need to
       | know about (e.g. a nearby natural disaster that may threaten your
       | area; an upcoming local election with important consequences; a
       | worldwide pandemic). How do we find out about about them? This
       | article assumes they will somehow reach you anyway even if you
       | ignore all news - how?
       | 
       | IME, the way this happens, is that your
       | relatives/friends/neighbors, who are following the news, tell you
       | about it. In other words, this advice appears to me to rely on
       | parasitism - a minority can ignore all news without harm because
       | they can still rely on the majority who follow the news to
       | provide really important information. As a moral position it
       | fails the categorical imperative.
        
         | dwaltrip wrote:
         | Maybe the reverse is possible? The majority can ignore the news
         | until the few who are watching the skies notice something
         | important enough for people to break their no-news policy.
        
         | bombcar wrote:
         | Weather alerts come through my phone (a notification for a
         | watch, a buzzing for a warning, and some siren like thing for
         | an active tornado).
        
         | jsharpe wrote:
         | Those relatives/friends/neighbors may very well have a
         | healthier relationship with the news than you do. For a certain
         | set of people (me included), news is addictive and destructive
         | to my life, but for others, it's something they can peruse once
         | a day.
         | 
         | Besides which, it's not like a majority of people will _ever_
         | quit the news. You alone doing it is not doing anyone else a
         | hardship. It 's not like anyone is thinking, "Ugh, I have to
         | keep scrolling twitter so that I can keep my news-less friend
         | in the loop."
        
       | hardware2win wrote:
       | I dont read news except cs related because they have no direct
       | impact on my life meanwhile big stuff like covid is big enough
       | that i will eventually hear about it
       | 
       | All that negative stuff you have to go thru when reading news
       | makes it being bad deal
        
       | inanutshellus wrote:
       | I'll come out of my shell a few times a week and won't understand
       | what's going on. News sites just tell me the last 18 hours' worth
       | of updates... So... I either disengage entirely and can't carry
       | on a conversation or I stay engaged and worry about events I
       | cannot affect.
       | 
       | I'd like a "I haven't checked the news in [7] days and some guy
       | at work mentioned [Ukraine talking to the UN], what's that all
       | about?" website.
       | 
       | I guess it'd be 7 days worth of news synopses for the topic.
       | 
       | [7 days ago this city fell, Joe said stern words about it, and
       | the Sauds started selling oil in Yuan because it didn't want
       | China to get all its oil from Russia.]
       | 
       | [6 days ago that city was retaken, and everyone was surprised.]
       | 
       | [5 days ago Joe said more stern words but had no effect.]
       | 
       | etc.
        
         | superbaconman wrote:
         | There are usually news programs on Sunday that will go over the
         | past weeks worth of news. I like Bloomberg radio, which airs
         | like 3 or 4 different weekly recap shows on that day.
        
         | droopyEyelids wrote:
         | I believe you'd have a far more satisfying and productive time
         | coming out of your shell if you redirected Joe's conversation
         | to asking about him, or his kids, or his hobbies- keeping it
         | local like the article concludes.
         | 
         | Unless it's your job, neither of you really understand whatever
         | is happening with Ukraine and your conversation will be mostly
         | limited to repeating what you've been told to each other, which
         | doesn't enrich either of your lives.
        
           | tchocky wrote:
           | The Ukraine example might be true for a non-european country,
           | but as a European in these times I want to be informed. I
           | want to help refugees and the victims of war (either by
           | donating or giving shelter for some days). If I wouldn't know
           | things from the news, I wouldn't know about these things.
           | 
           | Knowing in what direction world events might change is good
           | to be at least mentally prepared when things turn worse.
           | 
           | It doesn't have to be checking the news 24/7 but checking it
           | once a day for the important parts I think it's important. I
           | would rather say people need to learn how to distance
           | themselves from the news a bit to keep a healthy mental state
           | with all the things happening right now.
        
             | mantas wrote:
             | As a fellow European, IMO it's very important to follow
             | especially what non-Ukraine politicians are doing. That
             | will help a lot in elections in coming decades. Let's keep
             | them accountable for once.
        
           | watwut wrote:
           | I think that OP meant Joe Biden. Timeline checks out. It is
           | unlikely OP is in position to talk about presidents kids and
           | hobbies.
           | 
           | > Unless it's your job, neither of you really understand
           | whatever is happening with Ukraine and your conversation will
           | be mostly limited to repeating what you've been told to each
           | other, which doesn't enrich either of your lives.
           | 
           | A bit of very practical issue here is that Russian troll
           | force is in full force right now, at least where I live.
           | Trying to affect general opinion of people, in order to
           | influence future elections and to make NATO/Eu passive due to
           | pressure from population. The money were in fact flowing from
           | Russia toward our right-wing nearly fascist or clearly
           | fascist parties.
           | 
           | I dont think "everyone else should be passive" is good
           | strategy here.
        
           | mantas wrote:
           | It's pretty easy to understand what is going on in Ukraine in
           | general. It's also pretty easy to notice certain
           | politicians/institutions/companies reactions. Then it will be
           | pretty easy to make choices. If people ain't passive, we can
           | ensure this ain't happening again in 5-8 years.
        
         | sjmulder wrote:
         | There's an "out of the loop" reddit:
         | https://old.reddit.com/r/outoftheloop
         | 
         | It's not quite for this use case but could be of help. I
         | regularly use it to find out what that thing is people are
         | joking about on Twitter or such.
        
           | mdoms wrote:
           | This is an awful subreddit. It's mostly used for catching up
           | on stupid Youtube/Twitch drama or asking why some other
           | subreddit has been banned/locked/quarantined. On real stories
           | the answers are very often very misinformed.
        
         | twic wrote:
         | Wikipedia's current events portal goes back one week, and
         | there's a link at the bottom to more:
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events
        
           | webscout wrote:
           | https://biztoc.com and https://upstract.com pull in some news
           | from there.
        
         | ljlolel wrote:
         | Can just read the Economist weekly. Their articles are very
         | brief but well written summaries.
        
           | airstrike wrote:
           | Also heavily editorialized with a sharp left / European bias
        
             | groby_b wrote:
             | The Economist is many things, but "sharp left" it is only
             | to a certain subset of people.
             | 
             | The rest of the world would mostly call it "left-leaning",
             | or maybe "radical centrist".
        
               | jazzyk wrote:
               | Perhaps more like globalist/corporatist, which reflects
               | their recent ownership?
               | 
               | In 2015, Pearson - a publishing company - sold its
               | controlling stake to a bunch of corporate owners, like
               | the Agnellis (43%) and the Rotschilds (21%), among
               | others.
               | 
               | The change in their editorial direction was immediately
               | visible (I had been a subscriber/reader for 35+ years
               | until 2016)
               | 
               | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Group
        
               | mediaman wrote:
               | The Rothschilds have had a substantial stake in the
               | Economist for 70 years, including prior to the time when
               | Pearson was a shareholder. Pearson did not control the
               | board, had only 6 of the 13 board seats, and never had
               | majority control of the company. It's unclear what is
               | meant by "corporate owners;" Pearson is a publicly traded
               | corporation.
               | 
               | I'm also a long-time subscriber and do not understand the
               | "shift" you are referring to. The Economist has been pro-
               | free-trade, generally against heavy regulation, and a
               | magazine that consistently takes small-l liberal
               | positions for a very long time. That stance means that
               | sometimes they are right - deregulation has been good in
               | many areas - but sometimes they get it wrong, when, for
               | example, free trade may have adverse effects.
               | 
               | Sometimes they take positions that are bad - they argued
               | for the second Iraq war - but they are pretty up front
               | about their biases, and generally don't represent their
               | biases as purely objective facts, as many traditional
               | newspapers do. Their writing is clear and concise and is
               | not meant to be consumed uncritically. The magazine is
               | still unparalleled for what it offers.
        
               | groby_b wrote:
               | I wouldn't argue with that one, either. But it's also not
               | "hard left" :)
               | 
               | The word - if we're willing to shed many of the more
               | populist overtones around it - is probably
               | "neoliberalism". Consistently siding with money &
               | corporations, with a democratic bent. (But not too much!)
               | 
               | Since 2016, it's more and more living on its reputation
               | and not coming quite to terms with the changes in the
               | world. It is still firmly rooted in facts - can't really
               | provide economic guidance when you deny realities - but
               | it seems somewhat unable to engage with the rise of
               | populism and nationalism in an economically intertwined
               | world.
               | 
               | Not unlike centrism :)
        
         | dwiel wrote:
         | I've actually found that Improve the News [1] is good for
         | something like that. It has sliders to let you select what kind
         | of new you are looking for with one of the sliders which
         | controls "shelf life" ranging from short to long and "recency"
         | from evergreen to recent. Not exactly what you are looking for,
         | but I've found it can serve a similar purpose.
         | 
         | [1] https://www.improvethenews.org/
        
           | kgwxd wrote:
           | I think that left/right categorization thing actually makes
           | it worse. I'd like a "just the facts" option.
        
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       | akselmo wrote:
       | I mostly read tech news and im very picky with them too. Anything
       | important i will hear from friends. Dont see the point clicking
       | all the useless clickbait articles anyway.
        
       | glitchc wrote:
       | Articles that engender good feelings, either by revealing a
       | positive story or reporting a positive event, do not receive
       | nearly the same level of engagement.
       | 
       | Anger sells. Outrage sells. Media companies have known it since
       | the dawn of the newspaper. Bad news generates anger and outrage,
       | hence all news is bad news. It's a natural consequence of the
       | human condition.
        
       | louissan wrote:
       | "Pour vivre heureux vivons caches"
        
       | grandanthem wrote:
        
       | mdoms wrote:
       | I'm sorry but this is just total nonsense. The author argues very
       | that being informed is an unimportant article of faith. I can
       | name a number of recent examples where being uninformed of the
       | news would have had significant impacts on my life. For example,
       | 
       | 1. New Zealand is still under various Covid restrictions and they
       | are in constant flux. These impact real-world decisions I need to
       | make like should I plan to attend a particular event, should I
       | plan a trip for the winter or even go to the office next week. If
       | I don't stay on top of the news I will be helpless. Even the
       | event organisers and shop owners use phrases like "Red Light
       | Phase 2" which must be gleaned from the news - Red Light today
       | doesn't mean the same thing it did 2 weeks ago.
       | 
       | 2. The Ukraine crisis. Even if you don't think it's important to
       | be aware of such a monumental ongoing geopolitical event for its
       | own sake, if I ignored the news I would have no idea why so many
       | people on my island on the other side of the world are carrying
       | blue and yellow flags, changing their avatars and vocalising
       | their support for an Eastern European country they have never
       | even mentioned before. You can argue it's not important to be
       | informed about this kind of event but that assertion is no less
       | an article of faith than the claim that it IS important. And
       | quite frankly if it became obvious someone I was talking to
       | wasn't aware of the Ukraine conflict it would sharply diminish my
       | respect for them.
       | 
       | 3. We had an ongoing weeks-long protest in my city recently which
       | blocked several important streets and caused a lot of chaos. Is
       | it in my interests to not be aware of road closures and massive
       | police operations in my area? Even if I don't care about the
       | protestors, their cause etc, it's still directly impactful for me
       | to know where I can, can't and shouldn't drive my car.
        
         | EsperHugh wrote:
         | Why are you conflating being informed or following one
         | particular event with being obsessed with the news? If Covid
         | restrictions are so malleable in your city then you should find
         | avenues that keep you updated, but once it's over you should
         | also quit with the updates. Knowing what happens in Ukraine
         | every single minute is useless. If you see all those hints
         | around you about a conflict you are unaware of, why can't you
         | just ask around or at most read a recap article or two? Why
         | would this event entail being glued to your screen 24/7? Just
         | like with other people in this discussion it feels as though
         | exceptional events somehow justify the constant consumption of
         | the news.
        
           | mdoms wrote:
           | > Why are you conflating being informed or following one
           | particular event with being obsessed with the news?
           | 
           | I'm not. This article isn't about "being obsessed with the
           | news", it is arguing against following the news at all - in
           | fact he addresses this directly. Did you read the article?
           | 
           | > So what are you supposed to do instead, you might ask?
           | Well, reducing news consumption is a good start but like
           | Dobelli I would say mere reduction is probably not enough.
           | Personal experience of attempting moderation has made me more
           | of a hardliner. Personally, I vote for going cold turkey and
           | simply walking away from the whole idea of news and the
           | illusion of staying informed.
        
       | cambaceres wrote:
       | I agree with you, but this text is unnecessarily long for the
       | points you are making. Please try to be more concise, otherwise
       | you will not reach those which I assume is your main target - the
       | ones addicted to short sensational news.
        
         | ultramegachurch wrote:
         | Agreed. Introductory paragraphs like the one below always bug
         | me. I know what news is, I wouldn't have clicked if I didn't.
         | 
         | "So what is the news anyway? In its simplest and most universal
         | definition news is information about recent events or
         | happenings. That's it. And so the news has always existed in
         | some form since the advent of language and civilisations. It
         | was transported by messengers whether it be by Hermes, the
         | herald of the gods in Greek mythology or by some mortal
         | messenger who was quite often murdered due to the contents of
         | the message in spite of the saying warning the recipient
         | against such actions. We know we shouldn't shoot the messenger,
         | but alas."
        
       | paulpauper wrote:
       | If you were a Jew in early 1930s Germany, following the news
       | would have been very important, but this is an extreme outlier.
       | most news can be ignored.
        
         | throwaway684936 wrote:
         | If you're LGBT, following the news is incredibly important.
         | It's essential to track legislation such as the Idaho anti-
         | trans bill that jails parents, or Florida anti-LGBT bill that
         | just passed, especially if you're an LGBT teenager or a parent
         | of one.
        
       | sammalloy wrote:
       | I used to start my day listening to the thirty minute, BBC global
       | news podcast, which often has three updated podcasts per day
       | during the work week, and one per day on the weekend.
       | 
       | Then, sometime around 2015, maybe 2016, I began to notice major
       | changes to the BBC podcast as well as other sister news outlets.
       | Suddenly, there were more ads, less investigative stories, and
       | more filler about the latest consumer trends.
       | 
       | Over time, I began to gravitate in the opposite direction, away
       | from international news coverage and more towards hyperlocal news
       | unique to my area. Other problems become apparent with the local
       | coverage, mostly a highly skewed and partisan bias by the owners
       | who apparently flirted with political power and connections.
       | 
       | I'm still looking for the perfect balance between hyperlocal and
       | international, and I would love to see a media outlet who links
       | the two together and shows the connections between the two. As
       | far as I know, that's never been done.
        
         | ThalesX wrote:
         | I build for myself a little frontend over Google Trends, that
         | fetches news items, translates them for me and kinda gives me
         | daily / weekly top news from around the world, also with the
         | option of checking local stuff. It gives me a pretty good
         | overview of what _people_ are interested in.
         | 
         | I can choose my country, and it's going to show me globally
         | relevant news first but published in my country, then a good
         | chunk of news from most of the political spectrum, and then a
         | good 75% of it entertainment and soccer.
         | 
         | Some takeaways: India has a lot of stuff happening all the
         | time. Soccer is pretty much the king of global traffic. I
         | swear, it's crazy just how big soccer is globally.
        
       | h2odragon wrote:
       | Far away problems are so much more _interesting_ than those
       | nearby. You needn 't really do anything about them, and its much
       | easier to assign your own valuation to anything you do. Your
       | successes can be trumpeted as much as you like and your failures
       | need never be known to anyone but you.
        
         | lordnacho wrote:
         | This is true, there's an inner kibitzer inside all of us who
         | needs material. This is the real source of entertainment that
         | the article mentions. Every section of the paper caters to
         | this: what would you do about the war, would you have given
         | poor people better benefits, would you have slapped Chris Rock,
         | what would you have worn to the awards, would you go out with
         | that guy, how should your team have set up their defense?
         | 
         | The only actionable section is the weather report, you can
         | decide shorts or umbrella.
         | 
         | The piece is utterly right. News in the constantly-coming
         | format is junk food. Almost no context is given, even thought
         | nothing at all makes sense if you just watched the news. What
         | is NATO, what is a central bank? Why are the same teams at the
         | top of the league? All of these things need some basic
         | explanation that is never in the news, but always in any basic
         | long-form piece.
        
         | vikaveri wrote:
         | International and national news are often important, but rarely
         | immediate. By not immediate I mean that you can't affect it, it
         | won't affect you and you don't have to do anything about it.
         | Hyperinflation in Zimbabwe? Interesting, but nothing to do with
         | me really. Ship stuck sideways in a canal? That might cause
         | problems at work later and maybe I should get that bike I was
         | planning on now rather than later, but I'll be fine. War
         | between nearby countries that produce oil and food... I better
         | check my emergency stocks are in good shape and that full
         | electric car sounds good right about now? And so on, important
         | and some of them will affect you, but usually with a delay or
         | in a roundabout way.
         | 
         | Local on the other hand. Very immediate, but often not that
         | important, at least outside your local area. Sometimes you can
         | even affect things and if it's something that can affect you
         | and requires action, it might be a matter of hours. Water main
         | breaks, you won't have running water for three days? Fill up
         | buckets, head to the store, right now! But that's a minor
         | inconvenience compared to international news, if they end up
         | affecting you.
        
         | georgeecollins wrote:
         | Yes! And unlike nearby problems you know you can't really do
         | anything about them. How many people in the US would read a
         | national story about crime or education without knowing who the
         | police chief is of their city, or who is on the school board,
         | or even who is on their city council..
        
       | ddoran wrote:
       | > Fake news is a term to describe news that is merely untrue
       | 
       | In my experience it is more commonly used to describe news which
       | the speaker does not like.
        
         | kilroy123 wrote:
         | I feel like it's increasingly both and the lines are becoming
         | more and more blurred.
        
           | BolexNOLA wrote:
           | That ship sailed 6 years ago if we're being honest.
        
             | JasonFruit wrote:
             | As far as the terminology goes, maybe. As far as people
             | choosing to believe what is convenient, profitable, or
             | flattering about the world around them, that's been the
             | case as far back as anyone can recall. I think we like to
             | imagine that technology both makes us immune to the
             | problems of our ancestors and makes our problems immune to
             | historically-informed solutions.
        
               | BolexNOLA wrote:
               | Oh most definitely - I'm talking about the meaning of
               | "fake news." It used to be a very specific phenomenon:
               | sites/articles designed to spread misinformation, usually
               | by cloning actual news outlets in order to make it more
               | convincing. These weren't just "overly-spun" opinions or
               | something, it was stuff like "Ilhan Omar doesn't want you
               | to see these photos of her training at an Al Qaeda camp"
               | featuring doctored photos or just grainy photos of some
               | woman with a gun (actually saw that posted by a cousin)
               | and "Obama signs bill opening 100 abortion factories."
               | Just absolutely ridiculous, completely fabricated stuff,
               | designed to spread like wildfire for ad dollars by
               | capitalizing on "just reading the headlines and sharing
               | what looks right" culture.
               | 
               | NPR did a great interview with a "fake news creator" back
               | in 2016: https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2
               | 016/11/23/50...
        
         | hunterb123 wrote:
         | In my experience it's used as an umbrella term for biased,
         | inaccurate, misleading, half-true, or completely false news.
        
       | subsubzero wrote:
       | I generally think news(a majority of it) is shameless drivel with
       | extreme bias to certain perspectives. That being said with the
       | pandemic and all the changing laws/issues surrounding it, not to
       | mention covid community case counts were invaluable to
       | understand. I would completely abandon the news in a heartbeat
       | but I trade stocks and need to understand world news along with
       | business dealings for me to make intelligent trading decisions.
        
       | t0bia_s wrote:
       | Oh yes, I agree. I have decided to create one tailor-made also
       | for me.
       | 
       | During few weeks without the information overload I discovered
       | that:
       | 
       | * Having the overview and discussing the current affairs
       | personally as an unbiased listener is more liberating than
       | analysing the text alone behind the screens.
       | 
       | * The categorization of received news reveals those which simply
       | interpret the source and those which really generate the original
       | information.
       | 
       | * Working on a computer presents a risk of being distracted by
       | reading various articles and clicking on random links. Their
       | reduction increases my productivity and I am able to be more
       | focused on my tasks, without temptation of countless
       | distractions.
       | 
       | * Ignorance is bliss. It eliminates the prejudices, teaches us
       | not to be opinionated nor to ask the right question.
       | 
       | * Any form of "decentralization" of receiving information
       | eliminates the manipulation of thinking.
       | 
       | We are being indoctrinated by a fear agenda to excessively
       | consume media, television and radio. Let's not forget that a
       | frightened mind can be easily manipulated, which is used by both
       | political power and corporates. Few of the wealthiest IT
       | companies with a monopoly set the global opinions. They decide
       | which information we receive; thus, they have boundless power.
       | Because we don't care. We consider the freedom of speech as a
       | right without any duties and responsibilities and meanwhile it
       | slips through our fingers.
       | 
       | - https://tobiaskucera.art/the-silent-march
        
       | sixstringtheory wrote:
       | I agree with much of what the author states. However I find it
       | hard to completely quit cold turkey.
       | 
       | I've settled into three subscriptions: the local paper (which
       | also carries syndicated inter/national stories that I ignore
       | completely-I'm looking for local politics and economy, and
       | especially the special interest pieces in the Sunday edition and
       | the monthly community-events inserts, not the crime report type
       | stuff); The Economist, in which I ignore all the leader articles
       | and merely try to find at least one or two interesting articles
       | to read each week; and The Atlantic, with mostly the same
       | strategy as that for The Economist.
       | 
       | I recently let my IEEE membership lapse but did the same with
       | their Spectrum magazine.
       | 
       | I try to do the rest of my reading in books and not social media-
       | HN excluded, of course!
       | 
       | I still have this teetering idea that I should cancel The
       | Economist, it often seems like a gossip rag dressed up in
       | sophisticated verbiage. But every now and then I do find
       | interesting, if not useful, articles. Maybe I'll switch out The
       | Economist and go back to IEEE Spectrum or something similar.
       | 
       | I usually enjoy the long featured pieces in The Atlantic.
        
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