[HN Gopher] But life had other plans
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But life had other plans
Author : JBiserkov
Score : 1531 points
Date : 2022-03-23 23:36 UTC (23 hours ago)
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| gassius wrote:
| Life finds a way. My wife had generalized tonic-clonic seizure
| for an entire year (non previous seizure history) without any
| cause being detected by multiple MRIs. She was taking increasing
| doses of Levetiracetam that somehow controlled the scope of the
| seizures but not avoid them completely. After a year of this, we
| go for another ER visit after the latest one and she ask, somehow
| randomly, to have a pregnancy test, it comes negative but,
| finally, the root cause of the seizure does appear on imagery, at
| that point a low grade astrocytoma. She went into major brain
| surgery to try to remove it and pathology confirms the low grade
| astrocytoma, and after a month of recovery, the oncologist
| recommends to start a chemo and radio therapy treatment.
|
| As the low grade astrocytoma is treatable and with high long term
| survival rate, he recommends that we might extracts some ovules
| if we decide to have another kid in the future, as the chemo had
| a high chance of infertility. We had one son, and being both on
| our middle to late 30s, we agreed.
|
| We go to her OG for this, and as he is performing an preliminary
| echography... a heart beat start blasting on the speakers, over
| two months of his negative blood pregnancy test, after major
| brain surgery, after major doses of meds of all kinds, she was,
| indeed, pregnant. We knew exactly when she got pregnant, it was 5
| days before that ER visit. She "knew" it that day in the ER,
| that's why she asked for the pregnancy test (that, once again,
| came negative).
|
| She decided to have the baby, no matter what the risk for her it
| was, no matter what risk for the baby it was. Chemo was out the
| question and radio treatment was a high risk and had to wait for
| at least another month. 6 months later we had a healthy baby, who
| is now a healthy 10 year old girl.
|
| Sadly, some months after given birth to her, my wife had a
| relapse, the brain tumor came back, this time as GBM, a month
| after the girl second birthday, she passed away.
|
| Life found a way, tho, and my wife never had any remorse of the
| decisions we made and she would be proud of what her sons are
| coming to be
| KyeRussell wrote:
| Thank you for sharing that.
| the_svd_doctor wrote:
| Hearth-breaking. All the love to you and your family.
| sizzle wrote:
| Sorry for your loss
| acidbaseextract wrote:
| I'm so sorry. Thank you for sharing your story.
| gassius wrote:
| Thanks. We are all as good as we can be now, Life, aside of
| finding ways, continues.
| mayankkaizen wrote:
| This is a heart breaking story. Stories like these really put
| life in a different perspective. This sort of reminds of me my
| brother's wife story. She died of Glioblastoma at very young
| age (age 34).
|
| Thank you for sharing this.
| samhw wrote:
| Jesus, this is heartbreaking. I'm so sorry.
|
| I haven't gone through anything quite like that, but after
| friends' deaths and suchlike, I always loved this passage from
| Slaughterhouse-Five:
|
| > The most important thing I learned on Tralfamadore was that
| when a person dies he only appears to die. He is still very
| much alive in the past, so it is very silly for people to cry
| at his funeral. All moments, past, present and future, always
| have existed, always will exist. The Tralfamadorians can look
| at all the different moments just that way we can look at a
| stretch of the Rocky Mountains, for instance. They can see how
| permanent all the moments are, and they can look at any moment
| that interests them. It is just an illusion we have here on
| Earth that one moment follows another one, like beads on a
| string, and that once a moment is gone it is gone forever.
|
| > When a Tralfamadorian sees a corpse, all he thinks is that
| the dead person is in bad condition in the particular moment,
| but that the same person is just fine in plenty of other
| moments. Now, when I myself hear that somebody is dead, I
| simply shrug and say what the Tralfamadorians say about dead
| people, which is "So it goes."
| edumucelli wrote:
| Somehow it has a similar content of this one published in
| "Facts of the Faith", 1919:
|
| --- Death is nothing at all, I have only slipped away into
| the next room. I am I, and you are you. Whatever we were to
| each other, that we still are. Call me by my old familiar
| name, speak to me in the easy way which you always used, put
| no difference in your tone, wear no forced air of solemnity
| or sorrow. Laugh as we always laughed at the little jokes we
| shared together. Let my name ever be the household word that
| it always was. Let it be spoken without effect, without the
| trace of a shadow on it. Life means all that it ever meant.
| It is the same as it ever was. There is unbroken continuity.
| Why should I be out of mind because I am out of sight? I am
| waiting for you, for an interval, somewhere very near, just
| around the corner. All is well.
| tsol wrote:
| This is heart breaking of course, but is it wrong to say it's
| also beautiful? That her last act before death was to create
| and nurture new life. There's something amazing about that
| glitchc wrote:
| A heart-breaking story, thank you for sharing.
| boxysean wrote:
| Thank you for sharing <3
| Taylor_OD wrote:
| I'm so sorry for your loss.
| lelandfe wrote:
| I want to give every single person in this a huge hug. What an
| incredible story.
|
| I cannot imagine how excited their mother-in-law was to be there
| for the birth of her grandchild.
| mgiampapa wrote:
| In the US that would be medical malpractice. A pregnancy test
| would be standard before this type of surgery.
|
| That said, congratulations for the best outcome.
| [deleted]
| menzoic wrote:
| The article mentioned it was too early to be detected
| closetnerd wrote:
| In the surgery. 5 months pregnant is VERY detectable
|
| edit: wait sry - it also says 2 weeks, so now I dont know how
| to read what its saying
| [deleted]
| zeta0134 wrote:
| The 5 month figure is after the _entire summer_ following
| the surgery and recovery. The embryo was two weeks old
| during the surgery in May.
| WA wrote:
| A standard urine-based pregnancy test turns positive
| ~10-12 days after conception. So the embryo must've been
| even younger. Probably 3-6 days.
|
| Conception happens in the Fallopian tube, it takes 2-3
| days for the fertilized egg to reach the uterus for
| nidation.
|
| From a hormonal level, a pregnancy is undetectable,
| because literally nothing happens in the woman's body at
| first. The increase in progesterone happens after every
| ovulation. The embryo isn't connected to the mothers
| blood stream yet. And you can't see on an ultra sonic
| scan whether the egg is fertilized or not.
|
| What a crazy story.
| MarcoZavala wrote:
| WheatM wrote:
| Johnny555 wrote:
| It was undetectable at the time of the surgery to remove the
| ovaries and Fallopian tubes.
|
| _At the time of the surgery, the embryo was young enough to
| not be detected but old enough to be out of the Fallopian tubes
| and not depend on the ovaries' hormones anymore._
|
| _Older than one week, but younger than three. A two-week
| window._
|
| And after that surgery, I could understand not suspecting
| pregnancy for abdominal swelling.
| bendbro wrote:
| Thank goodness this was a happy story.
| maz1b wrote:
| As a recent medical school graduate and a technical founder of a
| medical education startup, wow. This is an "edge case" for lack
| of a better phrase and is the kind of stuff that becomes
| widespread as lore or an interesting story - at least I'd like to
| think so.
|
| Thanks for sharing your story and I wish you the best with what's
| next.
| oceanghost wrote:
| IMHO the surest way to get pregnant is to be told by a doctor
| that you can't.
| ridaj wrote:
| Some fertility specialists will say on first consult, the
| odds that you could get pregnant naturally just went down as
| you walked through the door to my office.
|
| All because the kind of people who visit a fertility
| specialist have lower fertility stats than the kind of people
| who don't (duh). The average practitioner doesn't really
| excel at distinguishing between correlation and causation.
| acid_dog wrote:
| Yes. I found it interesting that fertility specialists are
| actually quite focused on statistics. It's because in
| majority of infertility cases there is either no
| explanation at all, or no absolute blockers to pregnancy,
| just less chances. The entire field is in big part focused
| on how to improve patient's chances in this dice roll.
| openknot wrote:
| This is an interesting thought to entertain, but it sounds
| like sampling bias [0]. It's less remarkable if a doctor
| tells a patient that she can't get pregnant, and she doesn't.
|
| [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias
| vmception wrote:
| " They Said I Would Never Walk Again And I Really Have To
| Commend Them For Their Spot-On Diagnosis"
|
| The onion headline
| xnormal wrote:
| BRCA sucks. My sister died from ovarian cancer. She was positive
| and refused preventive removal.
|
| I need to get checked. And if I am a carrier, my daughters will
| need to get checked, too.
| yonatron wrote:
| Something to consider (or if you're dead set against this idea,
| don't): Sounds to me like God wacking you over the head with a
| 2X4 and saying "Hey! Hello?! I'm here. (Yes, for both what you
| humans call "good" and "bad" <smh>) So be in touch, and stop
| calling Me "Life"!! "
| Chris2048 wrote:
| And all the people with _bad_ luck? What 's that, the devil?
| burkaman wrote:
| Including this couple's 15 years of infertility, 3
| miscarriages, cancer diagnosis, and months of surgery-related
| constant pain. If I believed in a benevolent god I think I'd
| have to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume this
| wasn't their plan. "It feels like a prank" is probably the
| nicest way you could put it.
| phreack wrote:
| This is likely to be the best story I'll read all year. Simply
| amazing.
| paraiuspau wrote:
| I love this story, even more so that my wife and I this very week
| are embarking on our 4th and final IVF cycle. Hopeful stories
| inspire.
| [deleted]
| JackFr wrote:
| Simply the most lovely thing I have read all day. All week. Hell,
| maybe all year. Congratulations.
| landmark3 wrote:
| I have an urgent deadline to release some crazy python code and
| here I am, instead, cutting onions. Beautiful way to start a day,
| happy life to you and your family <3
| exikyut wrote:
| I'll bite :) what's the python code for?
| stavros wrote:
| Oh it automates the cutting of onions.
| can16358p wrote:
| Perhaps a model to calculate the effectiveness of birth
| control pills.
| jurassic wrote:
| Congrats to the parents.
| TapWaterBandit wrote:
| Congratulations to the new addition to your family!
| [deleted]
| d_t_w wrote:
| Hell of a story Dan! Congratulations on the new arrival and best
| wishes.
| psiops wrote:
| Amazing story, and I wish OP and his family all the best! I
| wonder what the effects of ovary removal will be on the embryonic
| development. I can imagine the ovaries produce hormones that
| affect the embryos development. Or is the embryo effectively
| hormonally isolated by the placenta?
| acid_dog wrote:
| It could be problematic in early pregnancy because the embryo
| relies on corpus luteum until placenta is developed (without
| corpus luteum the pregnancy would not continue). Afterwards it
| does not make a difference. I am not sure what happened in this
| case that the pregnancy was successful.
| necovek wrote:
| If you read towards the end, a healthy baby was born.
| gregorymichael wrote:
| Holy shit that's the most emotional story I've read on HN. My
| wife and I are in tears over here.
| danielmarkbruce wrote:
| Hilariously good story.
| adius wrote:
| What about injuries to the baby due to medicine, pain killers, or
| alcohol consumption? Could this be a problem?
| NhanH wrote:
| Probably no riskier than being born into a poor household or in
| developing countries etc. Which is to say that you try to
| control what you can, and learn to live with the rest.
| JetAlone wrote:
| Yes, I have a friend who was born months early. Doctor said
| he would never walk or talk, but he does both basically as
| well as I do. You never really know, when it comes to
| surrounding circumstances of one's birth.
| jo6gwb wrote:
| It's very important for people particularly women to test for
| BRCA. Men with the gene should alert female relatives. For those
| women that have the gene there are non surgical options today to
| prevent some of these cancers.
|
| Highly recommend this documentary from PBS on the topic as well:
| https://inheritance-brcafilm.com/pbs-documentary
| MarcoZavala wrote:
| toiletduck wrote:
| My Dad died after a long and difficult fight with prostate
| cancer that advanced to untreatable Stage 4 very quickly
| because of an underlying BRCA2 mutation. I'm so thankful the
| NHS tested him for this, and then tested my brother and I (both
| positive), and then sponsored IVF for my brother to concieve
| his first child with screening for BRCA2 mutation.
|
| He now has a five month old baby girl who doesn't have the same
| coinflip requirement that BRCA2 brings girls of almost-
| guaranteed servere breast cancer and invasive life-changing
| surgery to reduce risk, and my brother and I both get MRIs at
| 40 and regular screening for when we (very likely) get prostate
| cancer.
|
| This article was such a surprise to see at the top of HN, and I
| urge everyone to share it as both a lovely good news story and
| awareness of how underlying genes can cause aggressive cancers.
| vincentmarle wrote:
| > But the most incredible thing: when have you seen the public
| health service being earlier than planned?
|
| What would have changed about the pregnancy if it wasn't earlier
| than planned?
| exhilaration wrote:
| It's a joke - the public health services in places like Canada
| and the UK have a (mostly unfair) reputation for never getting
| anything done in a timely manner.
| boomskats wrote:
| It's almost as if there are entire lobbies that pour tons of
| money into PR efforts to promote those falsehoods and tarnish
| the reputations of those public services in order to shift
| public sentiment towards their privatisation!
| dash2 wrote:
| It's almost as if people in those countries have experience
| of how they actually work!
| mcv wrote:
| Not remotely as extreme as this, but we had a lot of trouble
| conceiving of our second child, after a very complicated birth
| for our first. We did want a second child, though, so we went
| through all sorts of fertility treatments, with no results except
| for one miscarriage. Eventually we were tired of it and gave up.
| After a few months we were ready to give it another go, and we'd
| start with new fertility treatments after her next period. That
| period never came, and we got another son instead (with a much
| easier pregnancy and birth than the first one).
| tonyarkles wrote:
| It's all still quite recent, but we're currently in a similar
| boat. We don't yet have a child though, only a miscarriage a
| few years ago. Around Christmas/New Years, we had a bit of a
| chat about things and, accepting that the clock is definitely
| ticking, we were going to consider trying _one_ round of
| fertility treatments. We want kids enough, but also are
| pragmatic enough to accept that things just might not work out
| for us on that front.
|
| February comes along and she gets COVID. I happened to be about
| an hour out of town when she first tested positive, and we
| decided I should stay out there unless I too happened to test
| positive. A week passes, she's still testing positive on rapid
| tests, and most of her original symptoms are gone, but she's
| feeling "funky" nonetheless. On a whim, has a long-expired
| pregnancy test in the back of a drawer, and tests positive. I
| was coming into town for a Costco run the next day and picked
| up some fresh tests for her. Fresh test _immediately_ comes
| back very positive.
|
| At the Ultrasound they do measurements to evaluate how far
| along things are. 6 weeks! Later on that day I pulled out the
| calendar and start counting backwards... and smile because that
| was a _really great weekend_ 6 weekends prior :D
|
| Edit: next big hurdle is next week where we go back for a
| second ultrasound and hopefully see/hear a heartbeat.
| Everything else looked excellent at the first ultrasound, but
| it was just a bit too early according to the tech.
| mcv wrote:
| Congratulations with this great news in these complicated and
| confusing times!
| dailygrind___ wrote:
| What a story... glad life found its way. I had a chance to meet
| you at IG, and that made the story more real than real, so to
| say. All the best Daniel!
| spieswl wrote:
| That is an incredible story! Best wishes to the family.
| otikik wrote:
| Wow what a story.
|
| It reminds me of a joke we have in Spain about unlikely
| pregnancies. It ends with "If you got pregnant, we're calling the
| baby McGyver"
| verifex wrote:
| Wife and I had an unlikely pregnancy ourselves. We tried for
| possibly 8 years with no luck, finally we gave in and started the
| process to do in vitro with entailed lots of tests and
| everything. Then, the day before we were scheduled to start the
| process (during xmas no less) and lay down a lot of $$$ for the
| procedure, wife takes a pregnancy test and shockingly, it
| indicates positive. Kid was born healthy and happy. I hesitate to
| call him some kind of xmas miracle kid, but I mean.. the context
| and everything really drove the point home. :)
| gonzo41 wrote:
| I'm really happy you saved a ton of money and got what you
| wanted. IVF is not only mega costly, it's also a brutal roller
| coaster of emotions for all involved.
| royjacobs wrote:
| Unless you live in a country like The Netherlands, where the
| first three IVF procedures are, in fact, free. I won't
| disagree with you on the roller coaster of emotions, though.
| bleuarff wrote:
| Or France, where the first 4 procedures are paid for by
| health services. Going to the pharmacy for the ovarian
| stimulation drugs for my wife and seeing the one-week
| treatment would have cost us hundreds of euros; I sure was
| glad to live in such a country!
| burrows wrote:
| What does the word "free" mean here?
|
| I assume the clinical professionals are paid and the
| researchers were paid and the pharma venders are paid, so
| that money is coming from somewhere. Is it that someone
| other than you pays for it?
| royjacobs wrote:
| Certainly. It's being paid for by the universal basic
| health care that our government provides. One of the
| reasons we pay taxes.
| burrows wrote:
| Okay, you give the government money (taxes) and then the
| government pays the clinics for your medical care (with
| the tax money).
|
| But doesn't that mean you're still paying for your own
| medical care with the government acting as a middle-man?
| So then it's not free.
| royjacobs wrote:
| Sure, if for some reason you want to take the most
| absolute, most pedantic definition of the word 'free' and
| you are utterly confused by it meaning something else
| then, yes, it is not free.
|
| I hope this clears things up for you.
| kwhitefoot wrote:
| You are missing the key feature: solidarity.
|
| It is not _paying for your own medical care_ it is
| _paying a small proportion of everyone 's medical care_.
|
| And in fact for a proportion of the population it is in
| fact free or nearly so because they have never paid any
| income tax or the cost was so high that the taxes they
| did pay plus the proceeds of selling very possession they
| had and selling their children into servitude still
| wasn't enough to pay for it.
|
| And lastly, we all understand the point of taxation and
| redistribution (at least in Europe we do) so what exactly
| was the point you were repeatedly failing to make clear?
| burrows wrote:
| > And in fact for a proportion of the population it is in
| fact free or nearly so because they have never paid any
| income tax or the cost was so high that the taxes they
| did pay plus the proceeds of selling very possession they
| had and selling their children into servitude still
| wasn't enough to pay for it.
|
| Okay, so if the person receiving the service doesn't pay
| taxes, then they do not pay for the service. And for
| everyone else that does pay taxes, it is a cost with no
| attendant service.
|
| > we all understand the point of taxation and
| redistribution (at least in Europe we do)
|
| What is the point?
|
| > what exactly was the point you were repeatedly failing
| to make clear?
|
| I don't have some huge point. I'm just confused by this
| usage of "free". There are other usages that I find
| confusing as well.
|
| A child tells his friends that everything on Amazon is
| free, meanwhile his parents silently pay for his
| purchases.
|
| Someone steals a car and tells her friends that she has a
| new free car.
| nautilius wrote:
| Wait until you hear about insurances, where it is
| perfectly normal (in fact the whole point) that the vast
| majority of people pay in more than they get back.
| burrows wrote:
| I generally don't refer to a repair subsidized by my car
| insurance as free. Do you?
| droopyEyelids wrote:
| Do you feel like this was an insightful point that needed
| clarification?
| nautilius wrote:
| It's pretty clear what 'free' means here, the person
| getting the treatment is not billed for the treatment. In
| that way, a society organizes that no one has the
| existential threat (financially or medically) of
| prohibitively high cost.
|
| It's so obvious that I don't understand how people still
| see it as this elevating 'gotcha' moment. It's the same
| when you drink free beer, breath free air, enjoy free
| time, etc: obviously it doesn't just appear from
| nothingness but has (opportunity) cost.
| burrows wrote:
| > It's pretty clear what 'free' means here, the person
| getting the treatment is not billed for the treatment.
|
| Actually I think that's a pretty good example of what
| confuses me about this usage of "free". Usually when I
| call something "free" I am making a claim about who pays
| for the thing, but as you pointed out, in this case it
| has something to do with who is billed by the service
| provider.
|
| > In that way, a society organizes that no one has the
| existential threat (financially or medically) of
| prohibitively high cost.
|
| IMO, no current Earth society comes close to that
| criteria. For example, if someone has a currently
| untreatable disease, then isn't that just saying the cost
| of treatment is prohibitively high? ie, the cost of
| hiring scientists, renting lab space, running trials,
| etc.
| aabceh wrote:
| Do you also get confused by free food tastings in grocery
| stores?
| nautilius wrote:
| Yes. And when buying hot dogs.
| nautilius wrote:
| > in this case it has something to do with who is billed
| by the service provider.
|
| What else could it even be? You started your gotcha with
| the truism that it's not free, so, yeah, _nothing_ is
| free, and the whole discussion is meaningless. You 're
| arguing in bad faith, but that just makes your argument
| meaningless.
|
| > no current Earth society comes close to that criteria.
| For example, if someone has a currently untreatable
| disease
|
| Your counterargument is that there exist diseases that
| cannot be treated anywhere?
|
| Let me give you an example of something treatable:
| Endemic (flea-borne_) typhus. In Europe, the given
| example is "British POWs in Germany at the end of World
| War I when they described conditions in Germany." [1] In
| the US, instead Typhus shows up in the reports of the LA
| Medical Association as a regular occurence (among
| homeless, mostly). [2]
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemic_typhus [2]
| https://www.ladocs.org/news-events/news/lac-dph-health-
| alert...
| DiggyJohnson wrote:
| I agree with much of what you said, but I don't think
| they're arguing in bad faith at all.
| nautilius wrote:
| I only see two options, bad faith or childishly naive, so
| I suggested the more flattering option. In either case
| it's tiring to argue this 'gotcha' strawman - no one here
| on HN believes that things just materialize.
|
| But I do think it's bad faith, because I doubt burrows
| picks the same kind of pointless argument about semantics
| when someone offers him a free sample at Costco, or a
| free beer, or is confused when reading the Washington
| Post online, even though it says 'Post' right there in
| the name, and that the printed New York Times doesn't
| really tell you the time, and that Fox News is not about
| foxes at all (even though it absolutely should be).
| DiggyJohnson wrote:
| Yes, but there is a long history of thinking about the
| various definitions for "free". This alone warrants the
| discussion. Surely they see what you mean, but it does
| sound like you both default to different definitions of
| the word. I agree with you, but I maintain that you are
| being much to certain about the naivety of the objection.
|
| Because we're on HN:
|
| _There 's 'free' as in beer ..._
|
| _And there 's 'free' as in 'freedom'._
| burrows wrote:
| > What else could it even be?
|
| As I said, my usage is closer to calling a thing "free"
| if I consume it without paying for it, and importantly it
| doesn't matter who receives the bill.
|
| If my wife buys a new couch for our home with a credit
| card that is nominally her's, but for which I make the
| payments, I would not call the couch free despite the
| credit card bill being in her name.
|
| > You started your gotcha with the truism that it's not
| free, so, yeah, nothing is free, and the whole discussion
| is meaningless. You're arguing in bad faith, but that
| just makes your argument meaningless.
|
| I just asked a question about the meaning of "free" in
| this context.
|
| > Your counterargument is that there exist diseases that
| cannot be treated anywhere?
|
| My counterexample to the claim, "There are current Earth
| societies where no one is unable to get treatment because
| of insufficient funds", is anyone in these candidate
| societies with a currently untreatable disease.
|
| I don't understand your point about typhus.
| nautilius wrote:
| > As I said, my usage is closer to calling a thing "free"
| if I consume it without paying for it, and importantly it
| doesn't matter who receives the bill.
|
| Well then that's exactly, word for word, what OP did. How
| are you confused if you use it the exact same way?
| burrows wrote:
| But I think OP does pay for it, as she suggests here.
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30788837
|
| First OP says, "X is free for me.", then she says, "My
| taxes pay for X." It looks to me that says she both does
| and does not pay for it, that's why I'm confused.
| royjacobs wrote:
| In what kind of world did you expect that "X is free for
| me" would imply that nobody is getting paid for anything
| regarding an IVF treatment? It clearly means that, _other
| than paying taxes like everyone else in the free world_ I
| do not have to pay for it.
|
| This is at the same level as finding a free penny on the
| street and going "No, but hang on, _someone_ paid to mint
| this penny so I am extremely confused as to why you would
| say this penny is free?!"
|
| I hope the other posts in this subthread have made things
| explicit enough for you, and perhaps you can use this
| discussion as a heuristic for parsing these kinds of
| statements in the future.
| burrows wrote:
| > It clearly means that, _other than paying taxes like
| everyone else in the free world_ I do not have to pay for
| it.
|
| So, other than paying for it, I don't have to pay for it?
|
| Again, I find this sort of comment confusing.
|
| > This is at the same level as finding a free penny on
| the street and going "No, but hang on, _someone_ paid to
| mint this penny so I am extremely confused as to why you
| would say this penny is free?!"
|
| I think it's closer to calling the food in the
| refrigerator at my house "free". Or calling repairs at
| the auto shop "free" when the insurance company (who I
| pay) pays the shop.
| royjacobs wrote:
| >Again, I find this sort of comment confusing.
|
| Noted.
| hamburglar wrote:
| Indeed. I went through that for second kid and it was just
| excruciatingly bad for my wife. 28 day cycle of absolute
| misery and disappointment for months. We are divorced now but
| I still feel bad for what she experienced emotionally.
| throwawaysie wrote:
| Sorry for a small hijack. We have been trying a kid for a few
| years, doing IVF etc. with no luck so far. An endless source of
| irritation to me is a complete inability of the doctors to show
| any kind of probability distributions for the process. So, I'd
| like to find data that answers questions like how many embryos
| are alive after n days on average and on 10th percentile etc.
|
| Does anyone know a decent data source for these kind of
| statistics?
| acid_dog wrote:
| I don't have a great data source, but from my experience (as a
| woman that tried to conceive two kids), reddit has awesome
| communities with users that can absolutely dig out those stats
| for you, if they exist: r/TryingForABaby, r/infertility
| necovek wrote:
| Don't get bogged down on statistics. They matter with large
| numbers, and in each cycle, you are dealing with at most a
| dozen or two fertilized eggs. Looking at all the stats only
| made us feel worse about our outcomes.
|
| My wife and I were supposedly "perfect" candidates (doctors
| were convinced we'd conceive on the first try), but it took two
| full cycles and a number of FETs from all of a dozen or so good
| quality eggs to be transferred for our two kids (with the
| second, we had success with our last remaining frozen embryo,
| so make that two cycles and 9 embryos for the first kid --
| basically, with first, we were extremely unlucky, but then it
| was two FETs and no full cycles for the second, which was a
| relief).
|
| Basically, for those who do get success on the first try, there
| have to be plenty of us that don't for the stats to average out
| to what they are.
| ausbah wrote:
| I thought this would be another grim medical tale, I'm glad I was
| wrong :)
| hunter-gatherer wrote:
| I think I read that entire post in one breath. That was an
| emotional train that fortunately had a good ending. May the child
| live a long and happy life.
| menzoic wrote:
| I was getting ready to read a tragedy but was pleasantly
| surprised by the ending.
| [deleted]
| vmception wrote:
| Right? In my head I had heard cancer before I clicked the
| article, and spoiler alert, yes, but also what a twist!
| agumonkey wrote:
| sweet rollercoaster isn't it
| duxup wrote:
| Same this was going rough then so much better.
| 3695524818 wrote:
| la64710 wrote:
| Beautiful .... It was so refreshing to read an article with such
| happy ending.
| sneak wrote:
| https://old.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/72j71s/guy_doctor_my...
| [deleted]
| olafurnielsen wrote:
| Reading the end of this story made me really happy. I've had a HN
| account since 2016 and have never commented, until now :)
| patatino wrote:
| I know two cases when people gave up trying to conceive, they got
| pregnant naturally.
|
| One was doing IVF, the other hormone therapy. Both needed a break
| and both got pregnant in this break.
|
| It makes you think how much stress and mind play a role.
| csunbird wrote:
| The stress factor may actually be an evolutionary trait.
| xunn0026 wrote:
| > It makes you think how much stress and mind play a role.
|
| Stress and the mind can also end a pregnancy sometimes...
| pcthrowaway wrote:
| Life.. uh.. finds a way
| dstainer wrote:
| Life, finds a way...
| cellis wrote:
| Breathtaking! Somehow, the one upvote I'm allowed to give didn't
| seem enough. I read loads of "cold reality" stories every morning
| ( I check WSJ, NYT and Bloomberg once in the morning ) and
| perhaps due to this conditioning, I was expecting something
| depressing. But this made my day.
| planetsprite wrote:
| Life.............................................................
| ....................................finds a way
| anonymous344 wrote:
| who ever soul was coming - really just wants to live so so badly.
| You'll give her a good childhood. Life is about joy
| AndrewVos wrote:
| This is really nice to read. My wife and I went through a similar
| thing. Her mom found BRCA recently so my wife got tested.
|
| Luckily she didn't have the mutation, but it was a very scary
| time because we have a young daughter who might have also had it.
| UberFly wrote:
| "Given that my wife didn't recall talking with any angel
| lately..." Haha. That was a well-written tale.
| MandieD wrote:
| In my late 30's, with the only indication that we were fertile at
| all having been an ectopic pregnancy many years before, we gave
| up. We had wanted kids, but our lives were good, with nieces and
| nephews we love.
|
| A few months before my 40th birthday - and the pandemic -
| SURPRISE!
|
| We are currently the proud but exhausted old parents of an
| increasingly rambunctious toddler.
| JetAlone wrote:
| That is quite a nice surprise! I hope your child has a joyful
| life.
| gwbas1c wrote:
| You aren't that old. I know someone who had twins in his mid
| 40s. My cousin also had multiple pregnancies in her 40s.
|
| I also had my last a few months before my 40th birthday.
|
| BTW: "Oopsies" are common. If you're 100% done, consider
| surgical birth control.
| usefulcat wrote:
| > BTW: "Oopsies" are common. If you're 100% done, consider
| surgical birth control.
|
| Yes. Not a doctor, but according to my wife, if you
| previously had difficulties getting pregnant, it may be
| easier to get pregnant again after the first birth.
| samragu44 wrote:
| ValtteriL wrote:
| What a heartwarming story. Wish the author all the best with the
| newborn!
| flobosg wrote:
| What a plot twist! Thanks for sharing.
| zoom6628 wrote:
| Beautiful and uplifting story. Wish all of you the best of times
| together for the rest of your lives.
| bajirao wrote:
| Very uplifting. Thanks for sharing this.
| silisili wrote:
| I appreciate and quite love the story, and congrats all around.
|
| But this idea of putting awful GIFs into a rather serious and
| interesting story has got to stop. It did nothing but cheapen and
| interfere with the story being told.
|
| Reaction GIFs are for uninteresting or ineloquent people. Just
| write how you feel!
| onion2k wrote:
| _Reaction GIFs are for uninteresting or ineloquent people._
|
| https://giphy.com/gifs/robert-downey-jr-sigh-confused-116a8z...
| jader201 wrote:
| The author shared the story in a way that resonated with
| themself -- using reaction gifs.
|
| It's hard to ask them to write how they feel but tell them they
| can't use reaction gifs.
| silisili wrote:
| To be clear - I'm not demanding anything. Only giving my
| opinion as an interested reader. He or she is free to
| disregard, just as every comment I make here.
| vmception wrote:
| Ascii, emojis and GIFs more accurately portray how I feel than
| the written language does. A lot of other people feel that way
| too. Image viruses also predate our kind of written language.
| Nezghul wrote:
| nandhinianand wrote:
| I used to think about this angle and eventually realized that
| the absolutist ideas of "freewill" and "consent" are ideals
| from platonic land and in practice it is questionable any one
| will find the ideal version of these.
| sam_goody wrote:
| I honestly feel bad for you. I don't know where you are from or
| what you are up to, but it sounds like you are really in a bad
| way.
|
| Which is a shame, as Life is something good, even if there are
| hard moments.
|
| I strongly suggest looking for some way to improve and enjoy
| yourself. Breathing techniques help for some, Zen for others.
| Religion adds tremendously to personal well being, and helps
| deal with frustrations and pain.
|
| Professional help can get you a long way, as can marriage if
| you are willing to genuinely care for your partner.
|
| And drop social media, videos, drinks, drugs, porn, or whatever
| else is burning you out. (I don't have a smartphone and am
| amazed how much better my life is for it)
|
| Enjoy life, as you only get it once.
| nicky0 wrote:
| Well that's one point of view I guess.
| kkjjkgjjgg wrote:
| If you never give the person the chance to decide, you are
| oppressing them even more. All those eggs you never fertilized
| make you tyrant of epic proportions.
| fishnchips wrote:
| And to think of all the wasted spermatozoids?
| andi999 wrote:
| Because it is an extreme fringe opinion? A lot of countries
| have mandatory schooling (which quite a few kids dont consent),
| some conscription, a lot of criminals dont consent on beeing
| arrested. And generally people agree that no consent is needed
| for at least 2 out of these 3.
| Nezghul wrote:
| "Doing X without consent is irrelevant because consequences
| of X are full of nonconsensual things." How is that in favor
| of X?
| andi999 wrote:
| I didnt say that. You asked 'how can people not understand,
| that in the age of...'. I tried to explain how people
| cannot understand. The explanation is what people cannot
| understand is far out or what happens normally. (yes, i
| know, you might have meant this more as an rhetorical
| device or sarcasm, but I think it is an important question
| you shd really ask yourself especially since you raised it)
| Nezghul wrote:
| Sorry, I wrongly understood your answer not as an
| explanation of other people actions but as statement of
| your position in topic.
| blackoil wrote:
| Apart from some local bubbles, now is the best time ever to be
| born in.
| AnonC wrote:
| "Life found a way out" would've been a nice title for this. :)
|
| Edit: seriously, this is a fascinating account of how unexpected
| some life events can be, and then turn out to bring happiness
| that was sought but wasn't expected.
| abricot wrote:
| Sure, but that title would have given it away.
| makach wrote:
| I have no words for how deeply this article affected me. In the
| words of the great philosopher Ian Malcolm "Life will find a
| way."
| l8nite wrote:
| Thanks for sharing this lovely story! Our whole family was
| captivated as I read it aloud :). Congrats on the birth of your
| son and best wishes to all!
| 40four wrote:
| Incredible story! It hits close to home for me because I am in
| fact a 'miracle' baby, although my story isn't quite as dramatic
| as this one with the preventative surgery and such. My mother had
| many miscarriages before me (and one after). The doctors told her
| she would never have a child. They said it wasn't possible. And
| yet here I stand!
| user_7832 wrote:
| That was... one hell of a rollercoaster. All I can say is I'm
| glad everyone made it out alive.
| DeathArrow wrote:
| Life finds a way to flourish even in the most difficult
| conditions.
| Aeolun wrote:
| I was so worried this would be another one of those sad articles
| that I just cannot help but read to the end.
|
| But then everything took a turn for the better :D
| ivolimmen wrote:
| Wow, love to read stuff like this.
|
| My third kid also had given us a nice surprise. My wife was
| pregnant; we knew that. We had an appointment with the doctor for
| the first check-up. We came in and the doctor did not see a baby
| on the echo. We were not really badly shook up as we lost our
| first but we where not enjoying it either. Next day I am at work
| and I get a phone call from my wife. The hospital rang. The blood
| that was examined before we wend for the check-up had bad values
| and indicated a possible tumour (but not the bad kind). I raced
| home, we wend to the doctor. Before actually going into surgery
| he wanted to do an internal echo just to make sure where it was
| and how big it was.
|
| There she was. We where pregnant.
| schultetwin1 wrote:
| This is an amazing story! Classic race condition :)
| SamBam wrote:
| Those race conditions are always tricky to reproduce.
| teaearlgraycold wrote:
| God DAMN it
| shrikant wrote:
| I hope 'brailsafe (whose jokey (and IMHO, low-effort) comment
| was heavily downvoted then flagged into oblivion) takes note
| -- this is a good example of a funny that this community
| appreciates.
| spoils19 wrote:
| I don't understand how this is a race condition, but I might
| need to check my old undergrad textbooks though. Props for the
| quirkyness, though! :>
| KMag wrote:
| A pregnancy doesn't show up on a pregnancy test (a read
| operation) until after implantation and enough fetal growth
| to significantly impact the mother's hormone levels. So,
| there was a write (fertilization) followed by a read
| (pregnancy test) without any synchronizing operation. The
| pre-op pregnancy test missed the pregnancy because of the
| race between the read and the write.
| ane wrote:
| Several years ago my wife and I agreed we'd actively start making
| a baby and quit contraceptives. She was on the pill (progestogen-
| only) and we'd been using it for the better part of three years.
| Worked fine, she took it religiously at the same time every day.
|
| So we agreed to quit, and the next day she comes to me,
| awkwardly, saying "It worked!" half-jokingly. I stared at the
| pregnancy test, positive and unambiguous as ever. At the second
| test, too.
|
| Turns out she'd been already pregnant for almost a month. That
| kind of contraceptive is only 99% effective. Our daughter was
| born eight months later.
|
| Safe to say, the missing percentage is warranted.
| sizzle wrote:
| If the timeline of conception feels off or extraordinary, you
| owe it to yourself to get a DNA test. 18 years is a long time
| friend. Trust but verify.
| KyeRussell wrote:
| I'm...not sure I follow. Are you implying that her
| contraceptive pill was somehow less effective against the
| sperm of someone else?
| sizzle wrote:
| That there are situations where women have affairs and get
| pregnant in very narrow timelines then have their partner
| think it's their child.
|
| Putting the morality of this aside and speaking
| practically, unsuspecting men should have a DNA test if the
| timeline of conception feels off or extraordinary.
| croon wrote:
| gwbas1c wrote:
| > Turns out she'd been already pregnant for almost a
| month. That kind of contraceptive is only 99% effective.
| Our daughter was born eight months later.
|
| This kind of "oops" is very common.
|
| If/when you're done having children, or have no desire
| for children, you really need to get surgery.
| samhw wrote:
| Does it really matter whose child it is? You seem to be
| writing this as if she might give birth to a goblin or
| something like that.
|
| I can't see what's "speaking practically" and "putting
| the morality aside" here, because there's not really any
| _practical_ difference.
| agent008t wrote:
| It's a question of trust, for starters?
| cycomanic wrote:
| So what is the test that the husband should undergo? I
| mean why only think about the faithfulness of the wife?
| [deleted]
| mod wrote:
| 1) You seem to have totally focused on the "parent" role,
| and forgotten the "partner" aspect. This has major
| implications for the relationship.
|
| 2) The _practical_ difference is choice. Biological
| parents are pretty stuck. People in this situation aren
| 't at all.
| rayiner wrote:
| Nope. Once you have kids being the parent is the most
| important thing.
| InitialLastName wrote:
| We should note that, yes, being the parent is the most
| important thing, but the quality and effort put into the
| partnership has a substantial effect on the quality of
| the parenting.
| [deleted]
| iliekcomputers wrote:
| >Does it really matter whose child it is?
|
| Umm what? Do you not see the inherent breakage of trust
| if your wife is having sex with someone else in a
| monogamous relationship and then trying to pass off
| someone else' kid as yours?
| krab wrote:
| It doesn't matter for this story of contraception not
| working 100%.
| froh wrote:
| Yes! Especially several years later. Stupid shit happens,
| to all of us. And if the kid has 'adopted' the father,
| then for many years it will be outright traumatic to cut
| the relationship and trust if that kid just because if
| some test. Oh, not my DNA, then I don't love you? How
| narcissistic of a father would that be? Joseph of
| Nazareth would like to have a word, too...
|
| No, there should be very good and compelling reasons to
| request a DNA test.
| ycombinete wrote:
| > Does it really matter whose child it is?
|
| I'm not sure I understand. Are you asking why it matters
| for a man to unknowingly raise another man's child, which
| his wife conceived while being unfaithful to him?
| SamoyedFurFluff wrote:
| Assuming you're living close to your partner, the actual
| amount of effort necessary would be a lot. The very
| narrow time window described is actually multiple weeks
| long. This is because when you go off hormonal birth
| control the first thing that happens is you have a
| period, then you need to stop taking it long enough for
| your body to rebuild the lining enough to be receptive.
|
| You really have to not be paying attention to your
| partner, or your partner and your lifestyle is that
| neither of you live closely, for this to just happen.
|
| Additionally, I feel this amount of mistrust should say a
| lot more about the relationship than about the woman. If
| you don't trust your partner not to go off her birth
| control for multiple weeks to get secretly pregnant with
| someone else, why are you their partner? frankly your
| partner deserves better than you.
| burrows wrote:
| What are the compelling reasons not to get a DNA test as
| a man (when a woman is claiming, "You are the biological
| father of this baby.")?
|
| Is it expensive or illegal or will your friends shame you
| or the woman will be angry?
| rayiner wrote:
| What are compelling reasons to get one? Worst case
| scenario, you have baby.
| burrows wrote:
| I do not want to invest significant resources into
| progeny that is not my own. Doing a paternity test
| reduces the possibility of this.
| [deleted]
| amanaplanacanal wrote:
| Although I realize there are people that think this way,
| this is totally removed from the way my mind works.
|
| You wanted a baby, you are there when your partner gives
| birth, you are both happy. What difference does it make
| where the DNA came from?
|
| There are plenty of folks who have to rely on sperm
| donors or surrogate mothers to make a baby happen.
| burrows wrote:
| > You wanted a baby, you are there when your partner
| gives birth, you are both happy. What difference does it
| make where the DNA came from?
|
| Thinking about raising a baby from some other father
| activates my disgust reaction. But maybe it's more
| related to the idea of the woman's (hidden?) infidelity
| than the baby itself.
|
| > There are plenty of folks who have to rely on sperm
| donors or surrogate mothers to make a baby happen.
|
| I don't see other people's difficulties as relevant to my
| preferences.
|
| For example, homeless people eating from trash cans
| doesn't affect my dietary choices.
| dash2 wrote:
| In this case, it would show that he doesn't trust his
| wife.
| john1633 wrote:
| On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, if it's truly
| his child, why would his wife be opposed to verifying
| that? Not to mention that it can likely be done without
| her knowledge.
| SamoyedFurFluff wrote:
| Suggesting that not only do you not trust your wife but
| you also don't trust her so much so that you get a
| paternity test without her knowledge shows a huge lack of
| faith in the relationship, and I would caution against
| this. Please remember the original circumstance is that a
| woman ends up pregnant on an imperfect birth control;
| there's no reason or contextual evidence for any sort of
| cheating behavior. Assuming your partner is cheating
| _with no evidence_ sucks. Assuming your partner might be
| cheating so much so you have to get a paternity test
| sucks even more for the non-cheating partner.
|
| This is in situations where a heterosexual woman gets
| suspicious if her partner has literally any female
| friends. What if she started going around and wanting
| paternity tests of your friend group if they happen to be
| pregnant, just to make sure you didn't cheat with any of
| your friends, despite you remaining faithful the entire
| time?
| vincentmarle wrote:
| Like OP said: trust but verify. Speaking from experience,
| lol.
| SamoyedFurFluff wrote:
| I'm sorry your trust was violated. Your traumatic
| experience where your trust was violated shouldn't be
| used as a warning label for others. There is no reason to
| advocate that other people behave as if their partners
| are unfaithful without prior evidence because you
| personally were wronged in a deeply hurtful way.
|
| It is important to healthily evaluate what is a
| relatively uncommon but seriously hurtful thing that
| happened to oneself and how that distorts one's
| understanding of what's normal behavior in intimate
| relationships.
| rayiner wrote:
| It's very kind of you to write this all out, but frankly
| if you're the kind of person who worries about stuff like
| that you'll poison your relationship with distrust
| regardless. If not this than something else.
| SamoyedFurFluff wrote:
| I wouldn't go so far as to say someone can't worry about
| stuff like this. Emotions like worry can happen as a
| result of prior trauma, generalized anxiety disorder, and
| several illnesses that have paranoia in their symptom
| profile. It's fine to have worries and that manage your
| worries in a healthy manner, such as therapy, medication
| when appropriate, meditation, and speaking transparently
| to your partner to try and figure out what is triggering
| your worry response (rubber ducking your own brain!).
|
| It's important to separate emotion from action. You can
| experience an anxiety inducing thought (such as my
| partner might be cheating on me) and behave in a variety
| of healthy and unhealthy ways.
| burrows wrote:
| IMO you make a wise point:
|
| Doing a paternity test may necessarily or inadvertently
| reveal to his wife a limit of his trust for her.
| gitfan86 wrote:
| I would say it is more likely that consciously or
| unconsciously the woman started missing pills the month
| before. The couple was already considering it so it
| wasn't a big deal if she missed some pills. My wife and I
| were very fertile, we got pregnant on the first try every
| time we tried. I suspect that the birth control was
| barely working.
| Taylor_OD wrote:
| I don't know why DNA tests are not standard practice.
| It's easy and you are already at the hospital.
| dskloet wrote:
| I thought the contraceptive doesn't prevent the pregnancy but
| just causes the body to menstruate regardless. So she might
| have been pregnant many times but this time it wasn't
| terminated by mensuration? (I'm certainly not very confident in
| my understanding.)
| nl wrote:
| No, this is incorrect.
|
| > The birth control pill works by stopping sperm from joining
| with an egg. When sperm joins with an egg it's called
| fertilization.
|
| > The hormones in the pill safely stop ovulation. No
| ovulation means there's no egg for sperm to fertilize, so
| pregnancy can't happen.
|
| > The pill's hormones also thicken the mucus on the cervix.
| This thicker cervical mucus blocks sperm so it can't swim to
| an egg -- kind of like a sticky security guard.
|
| https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-
| control/birth-...
| KyeRussell wrote:
| Or as my partner says: my tummy is making a baby nest, but
| it's always empty.
| jonstaab wrote:
| This is correct with the additional caveat that the pill
| also thins the uterine lining, making it difficult for the
| embryo to implant in the rare event of fertilization. So
| for people concerned about avoiding an abortion, the pill
| rarely, but not never, results in abortion.
| gwbas1c wrote:
| I vaguely remember misinformation about birth control in
| Catholic school. They told us that IUDs kill fertilized eggs.
|
| It was completely wrong.
| gwbas1c wrote:
| Yeah, my wife an I had the conversation and decided that she
| was going to go off of birth control in a few weeks. Two weeks
| later, she missed her period.
|
| I promised to get a vasectomy on the spot.
|
| A few weeks later she learned that her sister also had an oops.
| They both gave birth within a few days of each other.
| brailsafe wrote:
| rayiner wrote:
| Typically, it's 99% per year or something like that. Even with
| perfect use that's a 1 in 10 chance per decade.
| Taylor_OD wrote:
| Yeah I always wondered what the 99% actually means. 99% of
| the times you have intercourse? 99% out of 100? 99% per some
| time frame?
|
| The pill always worried me a bit when younger because most
| women I knew didnt take it religiously at the same time
| everyday and it wasnt clear if we were then... 75% safe? 50%
| safe? 98% safe?
|
| I guess it was enough safe enough for me but I imagine it
| could have gone the other way pretty easily.
| reducesuffering wrote:
| Birth control metrics are almost always phrased as "X %
| couples having regular intercourse won't get pregnant." So
| pill and IUD being 99% means 1 / 100 heterosexual couples
| will get pregnant every year, on average.
| tsol wrote:
| Who first started the conversation? I wonder if the hormones
| swirling through her system made her more likely to feel ready
| for a child. Or perhaps the pregnancy induced change in her
| pheromones suddenly made you feel more nurturing of her.
| Probably not, but it's funny how sometimes things work out like
| that
| blumomo wrote:
| Sometimes you need to let go your wishes fully go for them to
| become true.
| gfodor wrote:
| Something tells me Lucas is going to be a bit of a
| procrastinator. Congratulations :)
| ardillamorris wrote:
| what an incredible hope-giving story!
| gordon_freeman wrote:
| Wow I am not too religious a person but after reading this I have
| to say...when God (or some higher force) is with you, miracles
| likes this can happen.
| bigDinosaur wrote:
| It sounds like you are comparatively very religious compared to
| me. Rare events happen with a certain probability. What
| happened here was not impossible by any known law of biology or
| physics or whatever.
| rayiner wrote:
| God loves babies and wants us to be happy. Risked waking my 8
| month old to give him a squeeze.
| pithon wrote:
| (1) not all of them, apparently, and (2) it seems arrogant to
| claim that.
| rayiner wrote:
| Not the dunk you think it is for the billions of people who
| believe in a personal god and life everlasting.
| floodyberry- wrote:
| For something that supposedly loves babies, "god" sure enjoys
| spontaneously aborting them
|
| https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/372193v1
| koolba wrote:
| Another reason why it's great to have many, you can round
| robin the one you wake up hugging in the middle of the night.
| progman32 wrote:
| I call that force m'lady of large numbers and survivorship
| bias, or simply lady luck for short :)
| thematrixturtle wrote:
| When my wife and I decided to try for a baby and stopped using
| protection, the very first pregnancy test she ever took was
| positive, and we weren't sure we were reading it right because
| we'd never done this before. Unfortunately she miscarried pretty
| much immediately (fetus never developed a heartbeat).
|
| We tried again, but had no luck for several years and eventually
| made an appointment with a fertility clinic. Literally the very
| next day she tested positive, and we now have two kids.
| [deleted]
| rakibtg wrote:
| I am in tears, also feeling happy for you!
| strickman wrote:
| baali wrote:
| The odds of this happening! Beautiful. I wish the best for Lucas
| and the family.
| maddynator wrote:
| Got damn. I was so scared to finish the article. Glad i pushed
| through it
| graderjs wrote:
| What a beautiful story. A special little baby. I wish her and you
| both the happiest of families forever! :)
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