[HN Gopher] Bento is an alive, unstable Japanese noise box by Gi...
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Bento is an alive, unstable Japanese noise box by Giorgio
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Author : glitcher
Score : 101 points
Date : 2022-03-22 14:34 UTC (8 hours ago)
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| weinzierl wrote:
| This reminds me of _Wow Control_ [1] which is a tape simulator
| but can also produce unstable analog-like noise.
|
| [1] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zgSGuJB5gKk
| mortenjorck wrote:
| The video is well worth watching to understand what the main
| sections do. If you have some familiarity with analog synthesis,
| the components will be familiar (oscillators, filters,
| modulation, clock/envelope generators), but the magic is in how
| they're wired together and the design choices of what the
| potentiometers affect.
|
| This really is an incredible piece of virtual electronic design.
| It's surprisingly deep, yet effortlessly responsive and playable.
| kazinator wrote:
| Well, they will be familiar depending on how good is their
| written Japanese vocabulary or else understanding of the block
| diagrams.
|
| I see that Giorgio used the word Pin Du (hindo) on a variable
| frequency low-pass filter; but that word is not frequency as in
| of a periodic signal measured in Hertz; it refers to frequency
| of occurrence, like how frequently an accident occurs at some
| intersection or whatever.
|
| What we want is Zhen Dong Shu (shindosu) or Zhou Bo Shu
| (shuhasu).
| numpad0 wrote:
| I think a PoS/lexical category mismatch in a translation like
| that ultimately comes to the fact that source and target are
| independently conceived languages.
|
| Frequency is a fast-ness or intervals of an event. The wrong
| translation, Pin Du , is likewise a likelihood in a regular
| occurrence.
|
| The technical translations, Zhou Bo Shu , is "loop-wave
| count", and Zhen Dong Shu is "swing-move count"(used in
| context of acoustic energy -- I'm aware you would be familiar
| with it but for the record).
|
| There is clearly no etymological connection between Frequency
| and Zhou Bo Shu or Zhen Dong Shu ; one way to call it is
| it's a domain knowledge, but it's also true that one is
| adjective and one is noun, or one is single and the other is
| a composite word.
|
| So I think it goes down to the fact that each language
| encodes human cognition differently, even though it is often
| argued that languages are universal in ability to express
| ideas, and that translation is "impossible".
| strogonoff wrote:
| Bento could be such a brilliant machine for soundscape design
| inspiration. Sadly, it is a standalone application.
|
| In some ways it's more versatile and suitable for workflows that
| don't involve a DAW. However, having it available as a VST/AU
| would've opened up countless new possibilities--for example,
| after seeing the demo video I immediately had a vision of a
| soundscape that uses a few of those simultaneously, but 1) the
| app does not let you launch multiple instances of itself; 2) even
| if that was allowed, orchestrating launching all of them and
| saving/loading corresponding presets every time would be an
| obstacle; 3) that aside, playing (let alone automating) all
| instances when performing or recording your scape would be quite
| a royal challenge.
|
| And as a minor grumble, unlike VST plugins and audio units
| commonly distributed as single files that can be manually copied
| where appropriate, this application needs to be installed (and
| with root privileges to boot, not sure why that's necessary).
| dmje wrote:
| Aw man, that's sad. I was just reaching for my wallet when I
| saw the standalone thing and I wondered if that was really the
| case. It looks radical, but if I can't hook it into my DAW then
| it's no good to me :-(
| strogonoff wrote:
| Yeah, I got the trial and it did not install any plug-ins.
|
| I am close to buying it regardless. I plan to record various
| pieces which could be extensively used in the DAW for
| layering in post, triggering at a live gig, etc. Basically
| same as digitized audio from a live instrument, voice or
| hardware synth--slice and dice it, layer, transpose, reverse.
| Not as many possibilities as from a playable DAW plug-in, but
| still quite a few.
| bambax wrote:
| There are several virtual modular synths available, with VST
| implementation, including Voltage Modular by Cherry Audio,
| Modular by Softube, and many others.
|
| VCV Rack is totally free and open source and works on most
| platforms. The VST module is not free, but there is another
| implementation (Cardinal) that's free (although it's not quite
| ready for prime time yet).
|
| Without the VST module, VCV can be controlled from the DAW via
| virtual midi and virtual audio cables. It's a world of
| limitless possibilities. I would strongly encourage anyone
| interested to try it.
|
| (At the end of the Bento video the author shows how to record
| audio using virtual audio cables; but they don't say if and how
| it's possible to control it from a DAW.)
| coreyp_1 wrote:
| I love circuits (I'm poring over the circuit diagrams for a
| Rodgers 32c/d organ from the 60's in my spare time).
|
| I'm a musician (degree in piano performance... currently trying
| to fix an organ so I can start organ lessons).
|
| I am not a guitarist, but I can appreciate the utility and
| function of guitar pedals.
|
| I don't understand the use for this. I don't see how it is used
| for music, and the sounds do not seem pleasant to me. Can someone
| help me understand what I'm missing?
| anyfoo wrote:
| Dntel's "The Dream of Evan and Chan" uses what quite literally
| seems like recording noise artifacts and incorporates that as
| one of the defining components of a very beautiful piece of
| music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyispolH20Q
|
| Like the sibling commenter Minor49er says: "Any sound can have
| musical use". Classical instruments including percussion are
| just the noises we are most used to.
| rjh29 wrote:
| Welcome to modular synthesis. It's more about experimental
| generation of new sounds and patterns than being traditionally
| 'musical'.
| Minor49er wrote:
| Any sound can have musical use, and some music doesn't aim for
| pleasantness. I would make recordings of this, then chop out
| the most interesting bits, rearrange them into patterns, play
| them back at different speeds, time stretch them, put effects
| over them, etc. There is a lot here to work with.
| tomc1985 wrote:
| What is with people making things that are essentially music
| plugins and not making them VST...
|
| Is this the new hipster hill to die on?
| goodpoint wrote:
| Where the katanas and other Japanese cultural artifacts really
| necessary?
| mortenjorck wrote:
| Some of the illustrations actually support the signal flow
| diagram, such as the katana for cutting frequencies in the
| filter, or the wave crest for filter resonance. The daruma is
| purely decorative, however.
| Etheryte wrote:
| Not everything needs to be flat and sterile, as is common in
| modern design. Wacky, goofy and peculiar user interfaces are a
| deeply rooted part of digital synth culture.
| Splendor wrote:
| The description reminds me of the Lyra-8 by Soma Laboratory.
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8od1a1mySU
| Jeff_Brown wrote:
| Fantastic sounds.
|
| I built a feedback-heavy synth based on Reaktor Spark. I was
| disappointed to discover how difficult it is to anticipate the
| pitch of the signal, which limits its harmonic usefulness. For a
| sufficiently narrow band around each preset, including the
| frequency of the source waveforms, the map from those source
| waveforms' frequency to the output frequency can in general be
| discovered. But as you wander around the relationship can change
| wildly -- indeed, some output signals don't even have anything
| that sounds like a fundamental frequency.
|
| I wanted to program something that would manipulate the source
| waveforms' frequencies to automatically produce an output signal
| of the pitch a keyboardist had asked for. I think I could with
| sufficient time but it's a nontrivial problem.
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