[HN Gopher] Shabdle: Wordle in Hindi
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Shabdle: Wordle in Hindi
Author : ketanmaheshwari
Score : 82 points
Date : 2022-03-21 12:23 UTC (10 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (kach.github.io)
(TXT) w3m dump (kach.github.io)
| teluguwordle wrote:
| There is a telugu version here at https://teluguwordle.com/
| [deleted]
| perryizgr8 wrote:
| The problem is that it is nigh impossible to guess a word that is
| both valid and incorrect, at least on today's puzzle. It consists
| of three letters. The first two have a o matra and the last has
| half ka and an e matra. I literally can't think of any word that
| satisfies these conditions, except the correct answer.
|
| The game won't highlight anything if your guess is not a valid
| word. So it was impossible for me to get any hint at all. I kept
| trying random letters and made over a hundred guesses but not a
| single yellow or green.
|
| I think the author should fix this. If a selected letter occurs
| in any part of the answer, it should be highlighted even if the
| guess is not a valid word. That's the only reasonable way to make
| this work with Hindi.
| HexDecOctBin wrote:
| One tip: don't use words with a sandhi [1] (like today's word).
| It makes guessing it many more times harder, since you are
| actually guessing two (or more) words in addition to the joining
| letters.
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandhi
| mwasiav wrote:
| One of the Bengali versions let go of all the consonant
| clusters, phala, reph, chandrabindu. You can only build words
| with letters and karas.
|
| https://araf47.itch.io/shobdogoal
| plibither8 wrote:
| I agree with this suggestion! However, I wonder if it's only
| because we don't read and write Hindi on a daily basis (as
| compared to English).
|
| Also, I'd just like to say that this take of Hindi Wordle is
| the best so far - fill in the vyNjn (consonants) with the svr
| (vowels) supplied as hints.
| captn3m0 wrote:
| Even then, today's word is pretty impossible to guess. The
| Wordle formula is too restrictive for a language like Hindi.
|
| Written word-games aren't a thing in Hindi (like Hangman for
| eg) but we do have a lot of stuff rhyme based games. Probably
| other ways to tackle this better.
| plibither8 wrote:
| > _Written word-games aren't a thing in Hindi but we do
| have a lot of stuff rhyme based games_
|
| Interesting observation, and I can't help but wonder if
| this is loosely correlated to literacy. Since most of these
| games were developed to pass time by the masses, it only
| makes sense that they be verbal rather than written.
| peterhil wrote:
| I just get black background on the letters in Firefox - I tried
| all the letters. Does this work in Firefox?
| notRobot wrote:
| If I understand correctly, if what you enter is not a valid
| word in the dictionary, then it shows all black.
|
| Like in wordle, all your guesses need to be valid dictionary
| words.
| submagr wrote:
| Hey good idea!! Promote it on facebook where a lot of old folks
| are. Or even on whatsapp groups!
| abdullahkhalids wrote:
| Here is the Urdu version https://urdle.chaoticity.com/
|
| I would like someone to do an analysis of quantifying difficulty
| in terms of alphabet size, word size, and vocabulary size.
| Because I don't know what the actual difficulty here is vs the
| English or the Hindi version.
|
| That would be first order analysis. Second order analysis would
| consider the structure of words in different languages, such as
| how often pairs of letters occur together etc.
| navait wrote:
| As someone learning hindi, I'm looking forward to trying this.
|
| Shaabash!
| rk06 wrote:
| Nice idea. Few suggestions:
|
| 1. Do not count words absent in word list, like original wordle.
|
| 2. Put a limit to guesses.
| nsenifty wrote:
| Kannada version - https://wordalla.online/
| dxbydt wrote:
| Heh heh! Too clever by half.
|
| In Kannada, wordalla can be parsed in 2 ways -
|
| wordalla => "word alla" == "not the word"
|
| wordalla => "wordle uh?" == "Isn't this Wordle ?"
| aareet wrote:
| haha I read it as "word ella.online" == "all the words are
| online"
| ketanmaheshwari wrote:
| Just wanted to note that this is not my creation. I found this
| randomly linked on Twitter. I tried some but could not find the
| original creator.
| hdesh wrote:
| Based on the source code I think this person is the creator -
| https://cs.stanford.edu/~kach/
| jvalencia wrote:
| As a non-speaker this would be pretty fun as just a pattern
| matching game. The only problem is not knowing the words. If non
| valid next matches grayed out as I went, I would know what
| constituted a word, without knowing the language.
| lsrinivas wrote:
| The interface is somewhat non-transparent. I was looking for an
| 'Enter' and a 'Backspace' key. there's only one. Some clues on
| how to play might be helpful
| tnsittpsif wrote:
| Speak Hindi all day, but cannot guess a single letter in a 100
| tries!
|
| Shows how much this language's usage in writing and reading has
| declined.
| Grumpy34 wrote:
| I'm also a native Hindi speaker and I've never in my life used
| the word which is the correct answer. The game creator should
| have chosen more popular words.
| [deleted]
| umeshunni wrote:
| Do most Hindi speakers now use the Latin script?
| throwaway158497 wrote:
| Not really. news channels, print media, billboards, internet
| websites use devanagari script. But in Messenger apps, FB,
| Telegram, people use latin script.
| captn3m0 wrote:
| Depends a lot on the medium and the demographic. Twitter has
| a lot of native Hindi users, and there's more on some
| platforms such as Sharechat which focus on Indic languages.
|
| Twitter even does a good enough job of translating Hindi
| written in the Devnagri script. Doesn't work if you use Latin
| script obviously.
| txtsd wrote:
| Yes, and it's awful because it isn't standardized. Current
| generations frequently use only consonants to type out a word
| and I have no idea how to pronounce them. For example "hai"
| (pronounced "hey") roughly translates to "is". I literally
| see kids typing a singular "h" instead.
| plibither8 wrote:
| Welp, don't get me started on the "hai"->"h" contractions!
| The one that irks me the most is acchaa (good, pronounced
| "uh-ch-aah" with a hard and emphasized "ch") is written as
| "axa" in chats (more popularly written as "achha").
| bakul wrote:
| For most Indian languages you can use IAST & can use an
| IAST keyboard, as it transliterates sanskrit based letters
| precisely. Though I don't know why people don't just use
| the original scripts as they are much more beautiful and
| you can find (virtual) keyboards for them even for ios &
| android.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Alphabet_of_San
| s...
| cuteboy19 wrote:
| devanagari is not meant for such puzzles
| plibither8 wrote:
| In what way is it not _meant_ for puzzles, as opposed to
| English?
| cuteboy19 wrote:
| The Latin Alphabet treats vovels and consonants equally,
| whereas alphasyllabaries treat vovels differently. It's
| much easier to construct letter games if all the letters
| are more or less the same. Add to that the complexity that
| ligatures bring. Plus the number 9f letters should be small
| so that games like scrabble are more reasonable
| [deleted]
| yashg wrote:
| Where do I find the answer?
| captn3m0 wrote:
| Source Code has it. (Also spoilers for the next few days).
| [deleted]
| 1024core wrote:
| Hindi alphabet, interestingly, is arranged in the order of the
| part of the mouth that makes the sound. For example, sounds
| generated at the back of the mouth (like "k", "g", etc.) are
| listed first, and then you move forward to sounds like "t", "d",
| and finally sounds involving the lips, like "p", "f", etc.
|
| I found this arrangement fascinating. Unlike the jumble of
| letters that is the Latin alphabet.
| lgessler wrote:
| This is referred to as the varnamala:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari#Letters
|
| Here's a good explanation from Richard Salomon (2003), "Writing
| Systems of the Indo-Aryan Languages". Note the startling
| suggestion that this arrangement might have been systematized
| even before the advent of writing!
|
| > In this system, usually referred to as varnamala 'garland of
| letters', the characters are divided into vowels (svara) and
| consonants (vyanjana), and each major set is further divided
| into subgroups, again on phonetic principles. Thus the vowels
| are subdivided into simple vowels and diphthongs, each set up
| as short/long pairs (a-a-i-i-u-u, etc.), while the consonants
| are classified into the groups vargiya (comprising stops,
| sparsa, including nasals, anunasika), antahstha (semivowels),
| and usman (spirants, including ha). Within each consonant
| subclass, the individual letters are arranged by place and
| manner of articulation. Thus the largest set, the twenty-five
| vargiyas, is divided into five sets (varga) of consonants with
| the same place of articulation, arranged from the back to the
| front of the mouth: kanthya 'velar', talavya 'palatal',
| murdhanya 'retroflex' or 'cerebral', dantya 'dental' and osthya
| 'labial'. Each varga contains five types of consonants:
| unvoiced unaspirated, unvoiced aspirated, voiced unaspirated,
| voiced aspirated and nasal. This system may have originally
| been developed in a tradition of linguistic analysis before the
| use of writing, and only subsequently been applied to the
| written form of language in Brahmi script. The earliest written
| specimens of the are found in terracotta plaques of about the
| second century BC showing a schoolboy's writing lessons
| (Salomon 1990:271).
| contingencies wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmi_script#Consonants_2
| shows the groupings of the earlier stage of the script.
|
| The Korean script, invented much later, is also impressively
| phonetic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangul#Consonants
| [deleted]
| aildours wrote:
| This is not specific to Hindi though, almost all Indian
| languages (except for maybe Urdu), use this arrangement known
| as the Varnamala. This collation order has to do with these
| languages using scripts descended from the Brahmi script.
| hunter-2 wrote:
| Wow, I have never realized this aspect about Hindi in all these
| years. Thank you
| devnull3 wrote:
| > back of the mouth (like "k", "g", etc.)
|
| Note the "g" here is like that in "gum" and not "gin"
| damenci wrote:
| Pretty rad!
| throwaway091256 wrote:
| Here's the statistics if you get it right ( I got it in two):
|
| 1 guesses: 503 players
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| 2 guesses: 61 players
|
| 3 guesses: 17 players
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| 4 guesses: 6 players
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| 5 guesses: 7 players
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| 6+ guesses: 29 players
|
| Most people got it in one!
| HJain13 wrote:
| I was thinking about making something like this but was stuck in
| a mental block that the number of combinations possible would be
| huge due to concept of _matra_, but pre-populating them was a
| really nice idea. Kudos to the author!
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