[HN Gopher] Ready to Work at Lesser Salaries or Even Quit, Emplo...
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Ready to Work at Lesser Salaries or Even Quit, Employees Want Only
WFH: Survey
Author : rustoo
Score : 31 points
Date : 2022-03-18 19:12 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| exabrial wrote:
| I find there's a mix of people that either work well remote, or
| don't. I don't think this is as binary issue as people make it
| out to be
| postalrat wrote:
| I'd like companies to break apart teams then build new teams
| based on who wants to work remote and who wants to be in the
| office.
| yrgulation wrote:
| The reduction in co2 emissions, not contributing to public
| transport overcrowding, saving on food, and the mental health
| benefits are just some of my reasons for avoiding on site work.
| Not to mention the savings. I am not against people working on
| site but i am against companies not allowing remote work. If a
| company's culture cant cope with remote workers then that company
| is not internet ready. Probably shouldnt serve remote customers
| either and instead should switch to in person.
| mentaldeath wrote:
| Not everyone's mental health has benefitted. I have been
| depressed for the past 2 years and started cutting myself and
| doing other selfharm. The only face to face social interactions
| I have are with baristas now.
| qbasic_forever wrote:
| Parks, gyms, sports, recreation centers, libraries, theaters,
| concert venues, etc. are all totally open and have been open
| for full in person activities for much of that last 12 months
| in every state of the US.
|
| Go out and live life, there are near zero restrictions on you
| seeing other people in person. Almost nowhere requires masks
| right now either.
| gedy wrote:
| Sorry to hear that. I would recommend you build social
| relationships outside the office even in the best of times,
| layoffs happen, people leave, companies fold, etc and it's
| not healthy to depend on work like that.
| yrgulation wrote:
| That is why i am not against people wanting onsite. Life is
| full of nuance. I dont know what kind of advice to give you,
| but what i found when i was lonely was that changing the
| setting helped. I lived in london for more than a decade.
| Despite it being a crowded city i found it quite lonely. I
| despised that loneliness and my only friends were coworkers.
| Up until i got "sent" north of england. Suddenly i had a
| social life, met folks from outside my work and frankly since
| that point onwards i decided to ditch london for good. One
| just has to find the inner strength to let people in. Be it
| through hobbies or randoms there is always a place for
| everyone. Maybe even changing countries and cultures for more
| open people can help.
| tessierashpool wrote:
| a therapist, or a group for group therapy, can help.
| plasma_beam wrote:
| Friend, know that you're not alone in spirit. The past two
| years have been tough, and many of us have struggled. I hope
| you find some peace.
| Bancakes wrote:
| plasma_beam wrote:
| Shocking. Why even reply. There is no need for this on HN.
| tessierashpool wrote:
| that is not helpful and you should delete it.
| brotoss wrote:
| and your point? he literally said doesn't care if other
| people want to be on site.
| danesparza wrote:
| You didn't ask for advice, but I'm going to give you some.
| See a counselor (aka a therapist). Depression is treatable,
| but you need to get help. The world needs a "you" that is in
| the right headspace.
| threads2 wrote:
| The pandemic is never going to "end" so why oscillate between
| exclusively on-site and exclusively WFH?
|
| and why, as an manager, take on that kind of liability unless you
| absolutely need people to be on-site?
|
| Reminds me of an anecdote where a guy was working at a UPS near
| 9/11 ground zero and the manager tried to stop them from leaving
| work.
|
| Is it just the Will to Power? or am I missing some convincing
| opinion pieces in The Economist or FT? I'm so genuinely curious
| about why a manager would be compelled to insist on on-site.
|
| Cynically, I know it's easier to switch jobs if both are WFH...
| Would hate to think that Big Tech companies conspire to jointly
| enforce on-site (as an addendum to that infamous no-poaching
| agreement).
| tessierashpool wrote:
| many managers don't know how to do remote. and even experienced
| people get blindsided by it sometimes.
|
| but change and learning are inherent to this field of work, so
| there must be something else.
|
| for large companies, it's real estate. nobody wants to sell a
| huge corporate campus at a loss.
| qbasic_forever wrote:
| A lot of companies have a huge investment in commercial real
| estate and likely don't want to see those values drop. But I'm
| with you--this makes no sense to keep oscillating between "yay!
| cases are dropping, the pandemic is over!" and "uh oh, everyone
| WFH for now".
|
| IMHO companies where possible should scale back to the bare
| minimum on site and build a strong remote-first culture. Sell
| offices and move to smaller locations if it makes sense to
| reduce that footprint. This doesn't mean no one can work on
| site, or that no one can work remote.
| criddell wrote:
| It might be as simple as they don't know if you are working or
| not when your butt isn't in your seat. Or, to put it another
| way, lack of trust.
| qbasic_forever wrote:
| We've had two years now--that's plenty of time for management
| and HR to figure out how to measure and validate remote work
| is getting done. If a tech company still needs a manager to
| see a physical person in a seat then the company has far, far
| bigger problems.
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