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Amazon's new role-playing game can help you build your AWS skills
Author : webmaven
Score : 51 points
Date : 2022-03-17 18:20 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| throwawaythrow1 wrote:
| When people say that monopolies stifle innovation, this should
| surely be held up as the poster-child of that mantra.
|
| Will this be a flash in the pan? Yes
|
| Was this wasted money? Yes
|
| Could, basically, any human have predicted this is a waste of
| money? Yes
|
| Could the combined cognitive and monetary resources invested in
| this have been put to much better use elsewhere? Yes
|
| Don't learn AWS this way, learn about general purpose components
| and networking and then, if you want, learn the AWS API, it is
| the ONLY part of AWS that matters.
| scarface74 wrote:
| Yes because the billions of VC money wasted every year where
| only 1 out of 10 companies will be successful is better?
| kube-system wrote:
| Different people learn in different ways. And even failed
| experiments are important for progress.
| w-j-w wrote:
| systemvoltage wrote:
| I kind of wish this urban myth dies. There are more common
| things amongst humans about learning than differences. By a
| long shot.
|
| Veritasium covered this in much greater detail but still
| approachable by the laymen:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhgwIhB58PA
|
| It almost always shutsdown the discussion of improving or
| criticizing learning methods. Because, there is this deus-ex-
| machina of learning "Everyone is different" and therefore we
| must not question, we must not contest, we must not improve.
|
| Btw, this is also rampant in other dysfunctional fields such
| as nutrition and product-reviews.
| my_usernam3 wrote:
| > Veritasium covered this in much greater detail
|
| Big fan of the channel, however he also has another about p
| hacking which I think applies to his evidence in this
| video. I agree that people learn the same, but desire and
| attention aren't discussed enough here. Sure if you force
| people to try each different way of learning, they won't
| actually have a "ideal way". However, I tend not to learn
| if I don't enjoy the way the material is being presented.
| You can't run a race if you never make it to the starting
| line.
| otterley wrote:
| You're seriously going to base your conclusion on a Jay-
| Leno-style "man on the street" YouTube video over the
| deeply-researched, peer-reviewed academic literature based
| on the painstaking efforts of trained education
| researchers?
| systemvoltage wrote:
| Did you see the references on Veritasium video
| description? If not, I'll list it out here:
|
| References:
|
| Pashler, H., McDaniel, M., Rohrer, D., & Bjork, R.
| (2008). Learning styles: Concepts and evidence.
| Psychological science in the public interest, 9(3),
| 105-119. -- https://ve42.co/Pashler2008
|
| Willingham, D. T., Hughes, E. M., & Dobolyi, D. G.
| (2015). The scientific status of learning styles
| theories. Teaching of Psychology, 42(3), 266-271. --
| https://ve42.co/Willingham
|
| Massa, L. J., & Mayer, R. E. (2006). Testing the ATI
| hypothesis: Should multimedia instruction accommodate
| verbalizer-visualizer cognitive style?. Learning and
| Individual Differences, 16(4), 321-335. --
| https://ve42.co/Massa2006
|
| Riener, C., & Willingham, D. (2010). The myth of learning
| styles. Change: The magazine of higher learning, 42(5),
| 32-35.-- https://ve42.co/Riener2010
|
| Husmann, P. R., & O'Loughlin, V. D. (2019). Another nail
| in the coffin for learning styles? Disparities among
| undergraduate anatomy students' study strategies, class
| performance, and reported VARK learning styles.
| Anatomical sciences education, 12(1), 6-19. --
| https://ve42.co/Husmann2019
|
| Snider, V. E., & Roehl, R. (2007). Teachers' beliefs
| about pedagogy and related issues. Psychology in the
| Schools, 44, 873-886. doi:10.1002/pits.20272 --
| https://ve42.co/Snider2007
|
| Fleming, N., & Baume, D. (2006). Learning Styles Again:
| VARKing up the right tree!. Educational developments,
| 7(4), 4. -- https://ve42.co/Fleming2006
|
| Rogowsky, B. A., Calhoun, B. M., & Tallal, P. (2015).
| Matching learning style to instructional method: Effects
| on comprehension. Journal of educational psychology,
| 107(1), 64. -- https://ve42.co/Rogowskyetal
|
| Coffield, Frank; Moseley, David; Hall, Elaine;
| Ecclestone, Kathryn (2004). --
| https://ve42.co/Coffield2004
|
| Furey, W. (2020). THE STUBBORN MYTH OF LEARNING STYLES.
| Education Next, 20(3), 8-13. -- https://ve42.co/Furey2020
|
| Dunn, R., Beaudry, J. S., & Klavas, A. (2002). Survey of
| research on learning styles. California Journal of
| Science Education II (2). -- https://ve42.co/Dunn2002
| otterley wrote:
| Thanks for posting these! Clearly there is research
| pointing in the opposite direction.
| Bancakes wrote:
| But people _do_ learn different. The proper way to learn is
| to get a bachelors in your interest, and meet
| professionals. Some people settle for books. Others -
| videos.
| cush wrote:
| This is the kind of "VIM is the only IDE you need" gatekeeping
| garbage mentality that pushes creative young people out of
| tech.
| motoxpro wrote:
| You are misunderstanding what it means to have a LTV of >
| $100,000. I don't know if you watched the video but you could
| make that game in Unity/Unreal/etc super easy. They just
| outsource the dev to some shop for a few million and if you get
| ~1000 real customers you have made your money back.
|
| Everyone that wants to learn by "general purpose components and
| networking and then learn AWS API's" has already done that. How
| do you expand past that?
|
| Is a game the best way to do that? Who knows, but you have to
| do something. As a sib comment said not everyone learns the way
| youre saying (I definitely don't)
|
| Source: back of the napkin calcs
| https://askwonder.com/research/customer-acquisition-cost-cac...
| politelemon wrote:
| Alright I was slightly cynical going in, but this doesn't seem
| too bad of a way to learn. Runs well in the browser, some clear
| presentation, and I can see its appeal towards a younger crowd or
| a crowd that's comfortable with gaming in general.
|
| But mainly I like that their loading screen appears to use 'The
| Internet' box from IT crowd.
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDbyYGrswtg
| bikamonki wrote:
| If you need to code a game to teach your users how to properly
| use your products...
| recursive wrote:
| Who said they needed to?
| jjice wrote:
| Every time I see something like
|
| > training to 29m people by 2025
|
| I have to be skeptic at the quality of the training. I think
| there are going to be 28.8m half baked educations from this. Not
| saying this is necessarily a bad thing since not everyone needs
| to be a great cloud engineer, but I feel like there will be a lot
| of situations where 6 people are struggling through a problem
| that one decently trained person could knock out without issue.
|
| Not necessarily a criticism here, but more of a general anecdote
| on education now that I think about it. The amount of classmates
| I had in university that couldn't get something simple done,
| despite having a solid four year CS education is unfortunate.
| ctvo wrote:
| AWS is the last company I want making a video game. These people
| are not great at usability or thinking about the overall
| experience, and no one needs this video game to have 99.9999
| uptime, which is what they're better at.
|
| I can't even imagine the horrific UI, overlapping nonsensical
| quests or mechanics, etc. that's in this thing.
| CactusOnFire wrote:
| They already made an MMO about Colonization. I think it has
| middle of the road reviews.
| ctvo wrote:
| This sword is excellent at killing rats.
|
| But wait. This new sword was forged at the lord's yearly
| reinvention festival, and can kill black rats better. If you
| use it on a brown rat though, it'll stab you in eye instead.
| It's magic.
| haunter wrote:
| Can't be worse than New World
| mdaniel wrote:
| Heh, I wonder if that's why they bought LumberYard (which I only
| recently learned is now actually Open Source, Apache 2.0 & MIT:
| https://github.com/o3de/o3de#readme )
| cush wrote:
| This is brilliant. This is the kind of creative marketing and
| education we need to help close the tech skills gap. Kudos AWS
| team!
| AtlasBarfed wrote:
| And yet... the API and Console remain egregiously flawed.
| Horrible.
|
| But I guess those are for locked-in customers, so no marketing
| dollars for those.
| biohax2015 wrote:
| The cynicism on this forum is overwhelming.
| olyjohn wrote:
| It's from years and years of abuse by software vendors who
| make promises they can't keep, and take your money anyways.
| We're burnt out on this shit.
| astlouis44 wrote:
| Does anyone know if this is cloud-streamed, WASM, or do you
| download a native binary to play it?
| f0e4c2f7 wrote:
| I was curious what it looked like.
|
| https://youtube.com/watch?v=lcmVvIeiFGc
|
| I love this idea, I think there is a lot of potential for
| learning this way.
| brushfoot wrote:
| It's disappointing that the core gameplay is apparently 2D
| diagram puzzles [1]. I was hoping for a 3D representation of AWS
| with the player's actions manipulating resources like in
| KubeCraftAdmin [2]. For example, build a building that represents
| an S3 bucket.
|
| That said, it's brilliant advertising. It could be a foot in the
| door for AWS in more high school computer science curriculums.
|
| [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcmVvIeiFGc
|
| [2] https://eric-jadi.medium.com/minecraft-as-a-k8s-admin-
| tool-c...
| butz wrote:
| That's a very approachable method even, especially younger
| developers. Imagine their faces when one night a creeper blows
| up whole infrastructure.
| vegasje wrote:
| If you play it, you'll see that the 2d diagrams are just intro
| guides to each "mission". The actual gameplay has you launching
| a pre-provisioned AWS Console in a separate tab and completing
| set objectives.
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