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Kremlin arrests FSB chiefs in fallout from Ukraine chaos
Author : arkadiyt
Score : 51 points
Date : 2022-03-12 19:58 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| neonate wrote:
| https://archive.ph/j85zg
| drcongo wrote:
| The parallels right now between Hitler as he attempted the
| invasion of the USSR and Putin's current isolated derangement
| just keep on growing. The latest series of Rise of the Nazis on
| the BBC is incredibly interesting to watch with the current
| situation in mind -
| https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p09jgldz/rise-of-the-n...
| MrRiddle wrote:
| If anyone is related to Nazi's, it's Ukraine. It's not a meme
| that Russia started.
|
| You can find many examples like these
| https://t.me/AussieCossack/1821
|
| Recent propaganda pushed towards Russia is just shy of Nazism.
| Facebook is even promoting straight up hate crimes.
| mushbino wrote:
| I've been seeing a pretty big wave of Nazi apologists on the
| left lately. It feels like now that everyone knows we've been
| arming Nazis in Ukraine they moved from denying it to saying
| Nazis weren't all that bad.
|
| Imo, Putin is more analogous to GW Bush with the invasion of
| Iraq and Afghanistan. Can you make a claim for how Putin is
| worse than even Bush in this regard?
| thomassmith65 wrote:
| I've been seeing a pretty big wave of Nazi apologists on the
| left lately.
|
| I have not noticed that, but maybe our definitions are
| different. If I felt John Lennon or Jacinda Ardern were
| Nazis, then, in my world-view, the left would be lousy with
| apologists.
| rdtsc wrote:
| > accusation of the embezzlement of funds earmarked for
| subversive activities in Ukraine
|
| Everyone is embezzling all the time there. It's useful to keep an
| eye one everyone and then selectively punish them if they do
| something you don't like it.
|
| > If claims of arrest are correct, this would indicate that Putin
| is seriously concerned about the FSB's role in the military
| campaign
|
| Well Putin is FSB (ex-KGB) so he likely relied on his FSB buddies
| to set up a number of false flag operations in order to provide a
| cover for the invasion. Those are have been exposed and failed.
| Now Putin is looking more "naked" than he planned when invading
| and ruthlessly bombing civilians.
|
| Some trucks headed to Kiev had riot police gear in them. FSB
| likely thought people in Kiev would meet them with flowers, salt
| and bread, and it would be only some rowdy trouble-makers which
| the riot police would take care of. In other words it was
| supposed to be a 3 day blitzkrieg followed by police work later.
| They were wrong.
| bitcharmer wrote:
| Ah yes, the return of the good old Soviet methods. The positive
| side of this is that it's a strong indicator of the ruling
| dictator slipping into distrust fueled paranoia. One of the first
| steps towards the downfall.
| walrus01 wrote:
| One of the first steps towards what could be an eventual civil
| war and Putin ending up like Ceaucescu or Mussolini, if things
| go _very badly_ for them in Ukraine and economically.
| claaams wrote:
| The way things seem, their stock market isn't going to be
| reopening anytime soon. So I'd say economically things are
| going very badly already.
| Bombthecat wrote:
| Or they go full dictatorship. I would say, this looks like
| the likely path..
| hprotagonist wrote:
| the negative side is that's two fewer people who can easily do
| a coup right this instant.
| drdaeman wrote:
| This downfall is cyclic. Let me translate you some old but
| still delicious Russian copypasta:
|
| "As soon as Lenin died, it turned out that the second person in
| the Party, comrade Trotsky, was a traitor. Kamenev, Zinoviev,
| Bukharin and Stalin overthrew Trotsky and banished him from the
| USSR.
|
| After a couple of years it turned out that Kamenev, Zinoviev
| and Bukharin were also enemies and traitors. Valorous comrade
| Heinrich Yagoda shot them.
|
| A little later Yezhov shot Yagoda as an enemy agent. But after
| a couple of years it turned out that Yezhov was not a comrade,
| but simply a traitor and enemy agent. And Yezhov shot Beria.
|
| After Stalin's death, everyone realized that Beria was also a
| traitor. So Zhukov overthrew and shot Beria.
|
| Soon, Khrushchev learned that Zhukov was an enemy and a
| conspirator. And exiled Zhukov to the Urals.
|
| A little later, it was revealed that Stalin was an enemy, a
| saboteur and a traitor. And with him, and most of the
| Politburo. Then Stalin was taken out of the Mausoleum, and the
| Politburo with Shepilov, who joined them, were disbanded by
| honest party members led by Khrushchev.
|
| Several years passed and it turned out that Khrushchev was a
| voluntarist, a rogue, an venturer and a traitor. Brezhnev made
| Khrushchev retire.
|
| Soon Brezhnev died, and it turned out that he was a senile, a
| saboteur and caused the Stagnation.
|
| Then there were two more seniles which no one remembered
| because they died like flies.
|
| Young, energetic Gorbachev came to power. And it turned out
| that the whole Party was a party of saboteurs and enemies, but
| he would fix everything now.
|
| This is where the USSR collapsed. And Gorbachev turned out to
| be an enemy and a traitor."
| mushbino wrote:
| Yeltsin: "Hold my vodka:
| ant6n wrote:
| I don't think Yeltsin ever handed off that vodka.
| sorokod wrote:
| What happened to no blame culture?
| PrefixKitten wrote:
| If I understood Sun Zi 's book correctly I'd take this news to
| mean Putin has already lost lmao
| sonicggg wrote:
| Why is it that Russia have a perpetual tendency to be ruled by
| autocratic governments?
| iszomer wrote:
| Probably Russian Stoicism?
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0NbACjnAlo
| sto_hristo wrote:
| MrRiddle wrote:
| You're pretty hateful.
| platinumrad wrote:
| If this level of racism doesn't warrant an immediate ban then
| this site is a joke.
| [deleted]
| arrakis2021 wrote:
| Stephen Kotkin has a good talk on this. TLDR is the Russian
| culture has a tendency towards supporting strong autocratic
| rulers, especially those "in defiance of" something
| (capitalism, the west, etc)
|
| https://youtu.be/RnWp_kr4tfc
| menotyou wrote:
| This is even better: https://youtu.be/kF9KretXqJw
|
| (In Finish but with english subtitles)
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