[HN Gopher] Face-to-face interaction enhances learning, innovation
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Face-to-face interaction enhances learning, innovation
Author : caaqil
Score : 102 points
Date : 2022-03-11 00:17 UTC (1 days ago)
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| heisenbit wrote:
| Worth noting the type of tasks discussed in the paper:
| visuospatial
|
| > Learning a new visuospatial task, such as how to tie a knot or
| play an instrument, is thought to require us to adopt the
| teachers' perspectives, to try to see the world through their
| eyes. However, the new research suggests it might also be
| important to actually see their eyes.
|
| I think there is something to "it might also be important to
| actually see their eyes.". When I talk about code I tend to move
| the mouse around the places I talk about not necessarily
| expecting people to grasp every bit in every place but just
| visualizing where my own attention is.
| [deleted]
| Normal_gaussian wrote:
| This is cool. I'm reminded of a physics & chemistry teacher I had
| that would strap a webcam to his chin and project the feed onto
| the whiteboard; this was only just financially and technically
| possible for a state school at the time - I had family in the
| school administration and have since been told how hard he had to
| work to get any of that "experimental teaching equipment".
|
| It makes me wonder if there are good ways to improve my
| interaction with my team - OBS to embed my face in the screen
| share and try and find something to do eye tracking?
| microjim wrote:
| Title should be amended to something like 'Face-to-face, rather
| than shoulder-to-shoulder, enhances learning, innovation.'
|
| For a high quality face-to-face remote experience, I expect we'll
| start to see really impressive consumer ready technology
| announced soon. See what Facebook have been doing with cameras
| mounted in VR headsets [1] or Google's Project Starline [2].
|
| That said, when we're doing this much transformation and
| synthesis of the raw data to achieve high-fidelity telepresence,
| are we going to have issues trusting it?
|
| [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3XcQtoja_Y [2]
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27199330
| yalogin wrote:
| I am curious why you went directly to a virtual representation.
| Isnt a standard Webex or zoom better? You see the actual video.
| microjim wrote:
| High-fidelity telepresence here implying eye contact and 3D
| presence. Hard to get that without jumbling the data a bit in
| order to fly the photons in the right way.
| RappingBoomer wrote:
| sokoloff wrote:
| The article is about the relative merits of observing a task at
| various rotational angles to a teacher, not about remote vs in-
| person.
| ironfootnz wrote:
| This sounds like more of one of those articles to manipulate
| people perception of back to the office. Judging by the funding
| donated by the FAANG, doesn't surprise me.
| hackerfromthefu wrote:
| Yeah agreed. Remote meetings with screen sharing can be
| incredibly effective for learning and innovation, if the people
| have a good rapport and can work well together, plus have fast
| internet and systems so there's not technology friction.
|
| This allows you to get 5+ people looking at one screen close up
| in detail, which is hard on a physical screen. This also allows
| for long sessions which is hard on a physical screen as usually
| if it's more than 2 or 3 people then some people are standing
| up.
| npsimons wrote:
| > This sounds like more of one of those articles to manipulate
| people perception of back to the office.
|
| My first thought exactly, and one I've easily debunked for at
| least myself.
|
| Anecdata point of one, YMMV, but I _definitely_ have learned
| more by myself than I ever have from a teacher or mentor. I can
| go at my own pace, stop to look things up, try things out, and
| never have to feel pressure due to falling behind or waiting
| for others.
|
| Even in the case of the paper's specific area of learning
| (visual and spatial), I can watch a video, slow that video
| down, skip around, etc, much more effectively. And for many
| things, there are usually plenty of them - that's actually how
| I learned to tie a bowtie, after failing to learn from a friend
| who tried to show me.
| javier_e06 wrote:
| My Tai Chi mentor faces us and lifts her left arm. Most of us
| lift our right arm. I lift my left arm. "It does not matter" She
| said. "Show intention" She reminds us.
| jdrc wrote:
| So, you re saying that we need to improve remote face-to-face
| tools
| slifin wrote:
| I feel like no one talks about Google Project Starline any more
|
| Maybe because Google themselves haven't really spoken about it
| for about a year?
| alvarlagerlof wrote:
| Yes. There's nothing to talk about.
| [deleted]
| yobbo wrote:
| "Children, in contrast, came up with new solutions and often
| remained in their original position."
|
| Basically, kids fooled around and played while the adults tried
| to complete the task as quickly as possible as get on with
| reality.
|
| "Those results suggested adults had become better rote learners
| but less innovative with time and more formal education."
|
| Did they find a control group of adults without formal education?
|
| The "results" of social science ...
| sokoloff wrote:
| That was more interesting than I expected from the headline,
| making the headline sort of a don't-click-bait.
| blondin wrote:
| same here.
|
| i was expecting an essay on how remote work is not good and
| all. but ended up learning quite a few things. it's not just
| the title. the whole article is calling that interaction face-
| to-face.
|
| if a bunch on people are sitting such that they can see the
| face of their instructor, face-to-face isn't what i would call
| it...
| theknocker wrote:
| cracrecry wrote:
| Of course it does. But usually there is no interaction because
| most people do not interact.
|
| Usually as a student I did raise my hand and asked questions and
| was the only one or sometimes we were two or three at most in a
| class of 40 people. Then in a class of 100, or 200 in the
| University.
|
| Most people sit still, passive. They do not interact. Those
| people are better served with a video they can play at 2x and
| rewind multiple times, do automatic speech recognition,use with
| anki, archive and search.
|
| In fact the best way to learn is a one on one interaction, that
| would be too expensive to have. I was getting it because most
| people did not use their share.
| Normal_gaussian wrote:
| This is not what the article is about.
| arkitaip wrote:
| Calling it face-to-face interaction is confusing when it is
| actually about the perspective at which a student observes the
| actions of a teacher.
| d3ntb3ev1l wrote:
| In a cube
| terran57 wrote:
| if you're "lucky". The last (pre-pandemic) interview I had at a
| certain NYC-based market data provider ended with a tour of
| what would be my work environment - an open-office hellscape
| consisting of rows of long tables with barely a meter of
| distance from your neighbor. I declined the offer.
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