[HN Gopher] Russia is abandoning SSL certs in favor of their own
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Russia is abandoning SSL certs in favor of their own
Author : ct0
Score : 17 points
Date : 2022-03-10 21:45 UTC (1 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.cnews.ru)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.cnews.ru)
| boznz wrote:
| They are really going all in 100% North Korea.. Not going to end
| well
| nikolay wrote:
| No gonna end well for whom? The unipolar model is over! The
| dollar dominance is finally under question. This definitely is
| NOT good for Americans and Europeans. Russians are tough and
| they will come out stronger out of this. In fact, Western-
| influencing companies fleeting Russia is Putin's wet dream! I
| think the West no longer has forward-looking politicians and EU
| is a full disgrace being Biden's bitch! As Trump was right, the
| last thing you want is Germany and Japan rebuilding their
| military!
| TechBro8615 wrote:
| It's not that extreme. They have the BRICS sphere of influence
| on their side.
|
| More likely, the SWIFT sanctions will prove a mistake for "the
| West," when it realizes the downstream effects of cutting off
| Russia from the dominant payment network of the global reserve
| currency. Russian banks have already started offering accounts
| in yuan. This will lead to further balkanization (unfortunate
| pun notwithstanding) of world reserve currencies, which means
| increased decentralization and a reduced dependency on the
| dollar. Eventually the world will naturally diversify their
| reserve holdings to the point that the dollar loses its power
| as leverage in diplomatic negotiations.
|
| At this point, there will be jockeying for position of a
| dominant currency, and it will be more than just fiat currency
| in the race. In the next 5 years, we will almost certainly see
| the emergence of a central bank digital currency. Within the
| next 10 years, it will be clear that paper USD will not be the
| dominant currency in 2040, and it will likely be obvious which
| currency will take its place.
|
| As far as the SSL certs go, all these arguments also apply to
| balkanization of internet infrastructure. In fact, they'll
| happen together, since the information networks banning
| Russians refuse to interface with their payment networks
| anyway.
|
| Is this actually the greatest opportunity for Russian
| entrepreneurs since the fall of the Soviet Union? Suddenly
| there is demand for an alternative to every Western online
| service. The products that were previously 80% as good as their
| Western counterparts now find themselves as the leading option
| in the local market.
|
| This same pattern happened in China when they introduced The
| Great Firewall -- the censorship regime favored local
| providers, so they had a route to catch up with the Silicon
| Valley companies. Now look at the Chinese internet economy.
| Russia doesn't have nearly the population of China, nor the
| population growth that China did the past twenty years, but
| it's not unreasonable to expect significant growth in Russian
| internet sector over the next 5-10 years (after the dust
| settles on sanctions and the winners emerge).
| rosndo wrote:
| > They have the BRICS sphere of influence on their side.
|
| So and so, my banks in BRICS countries are refusing to accept
| incoming transfers from Russian banks. At least in China,
| India and the UAE Russian money seems to be a no-go.
|
| Pretty sure other BRICS countries are only providing moral
| support at this point.
| supergirl wrote:
| the USSR didn't do too bad. NK just didn't start with much.
| Russia has a lot of tech. but look at NK: they have internet,
| developed nuclear weapons, trying to launch satellites,
| surviving covid (I assume), did not get invaded by US, still
| chugging along
| VincentEvans wrote:
| Oh yeah, NK isn't that bad. USSR didn't do too badly...
|
| USSR in 90ies was equivalent technologically to the West in
| 60ies-70ies. I was born in USSR. And when I got to travel
| Europe in the 90ies - the difference was astounding.
| trevorboaconstr wrote:
| I suspect Russia will soon enough find itself closely
| intertwined with Chinese ecosystems and standards. I think
| Putin has envy for Xi's autocratic-techno-state and wishes to
| emulate it. What better way than to become a part of it.
| rektide wrote:
| Thankfully we're not seeing a total fuck-off-world axis
| forming here, a 100% antagonist alliance-versus-world
| relationship forming. China has recently refused to resupply
| parts for the Russian air transport systems[1] (so claims
| Russia).
|
| I don't think you are wrong at all. But I don't think this
| intertwining will be as mutually desired & reinforcing as
| Russia might perhaps have hoped.
|
| [1] https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-
| defense/russia-sa...
| mytailorisrich wrote:
| More broadly, I think what's happening vindicates China's
| strategy and will be a watershed moment.
|
| We're seeing that most key global infrastructures for
| telecoms, internet, finance, etc. and pretty much all global
| tech companies are controlled by the USA and that they will
| weaponise _everything_ against you as they see fit.
|
| The logical conclusion is that, if you can, you should build
| your own alternatives, which is what China has been doing.
| Things are going to become more fragmented from now on.
| signatoremo wrote:
| China have done it because they have superpower ambition,
| and because they can. There are areas where they still
| haven't been able to do the same such as jet engine.
|
| Also, not everyone can build their own. Most of the world
| will continue to use the current one. Some other like
| Russia will use China's one. Do you think China will be
| less aggressive than the US in weaponizing everything
| against you as they see fit? Russia will be a lesser
| partner to China. The dream of Russia Empire glory will
| still be a dream only.
| polski-g wrote:
| China will be collecting vassal states like I do in EU4. But
| eventually the vassal swarm will be powerful enough for a WC.
| DwnVoteHoneyPot wrote:
| what is EU4? what is WC?
| fire wrote:
| EU4: europa universalis 4
|
| WC: win condition
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